I didn't know that ships still had the equipment to generate smoke screens. I assumed everybody stopped adding the feature once radar became the primary way of detection.Do they actually help against incoming missiles or are they just a vestigial part of naval ship development?
>>61468044do you like ships that gp beep beep or honk honk?
>>61468054I prefer when they go BWOOOO to be honest
I expect the smoke to be improved to mess with both infrared and radar imaging too. Regardless would help with terminal guidance that can often be TV or visual shape matching.
>>61468044They combo well with Chaff. Smoke tends to be thermally opaque and there are optically guided missiles so putting down a smokescreen is still a viable defense tactic.
>>61468063>BWOOOOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETrWMvicKps
>>61468070>tends to be thermally opaqueOnly the "regular" smoke and old military smoke. New smoke blocks out thermals as well.
>>61468096>New smoke blocks out thermals as well.That's what opaque means, idiot
>>61468109Your comment is very opaque. Can you clarify?
>>61468044the ocean is flat as fuck bro you can literally see to the horizon lmao, you gotta have something that can create visual obstructions
>>61468109pretty sure smoke can be opaque and not effectively block thermals, you fucking moron
>>61468167((THERMALLY)) OPAQUE, retard
>>61468096>Only the "regular" smoke and old military smokeOpaque means you can't see through it. Thermally opaque means you can't see heat through it. >>61468109>>61468176Dude, that's even your posts. Calm the fuck down.
>>61468109Don't bother arguing with bots. They can't perceive whole sentences. They just process individual words and randomize response based on them.
>>61468215>that's even your posts
>>61468163Thank you for the 1900's opinion.
weaponized rain squalla simple rocket with some salt in it.
>>61468657>saltcloud seeding is on the very edge of pseudoscience; it's disputed whether it actually works or whether the salt has no real impact on rain cloud formationyou'd do better to have that rocket spread smoke and obscurants like planes used to do
>>61468070>Smoke tends to be thermally opaqueFew meters of smoke will be almost completely transparent to MWIR and LWIR, nothing like that has been demonstrated yet. Multispectral smoke grenades use solid pyrotechnics or white phosphorus and work only for a few seconds until relatively large burning particles fall to the ground. I don't expect those defenses to be terribly effective against anti ship missiles since the modern ones use relatively complex guidance logic and will simply extrapolate the target movement in those final seconds of flight, ships aren't fast or maneuverable enough to dodge them
>>61468090Saw it coming. Still funny and the captain is a bro.
>>61468044I don't think they're doing it on purpose. some ships are just incredibly smoky. When I served with some minesweepers, we thought a german ally was on fire because of how much smoke it would make when they started their engines. Turned out they just have very, very shitty diesels and in our berthing plans from then on we had them berth outboard of us because the locals kept complaining about how smoky their ships were. (we were doing a lot of public affairs stuff at the time so our berths tended to be in town where people can gawk)Another time with bigger ships, we had to call a french ship to ask if they were OK because of the incredible volume of smoke they put out. Their answer was also just "No, it just does that at certain speeds." Ships are just janky like that, I guess.I doubt smoke on the sea would work very well because even if you're ~ThErMaLlY oPaQuE~ the sea surface is VERY cold and a bunch of mineral oil vape cloud is around room temperature. So just aim for the big room temperature object in the middle of a cold sheet instead of the hot object in the middle of a cold sheet. I imagine it would work better on land where there might be room temperature stuff around you to blend into.Also anti-ship missiles are generally RADAR or GPS guided so being "thermally invisible" wouldn't matter. Either the smoke is opaque and presents a larger target so you still get a hit nearby that can still cause damage, or it's not and you can still be accurately targeted.
>>61468109No. Opaque means "can't see through", not invisible.
>>61468218What does this mean?
>>61468506Pretty sure it was flatter in 1900s bro. Not even her.
>>61468090https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTlTxFio6DY
>>61469548This board has become a den of faggotry. More often informative posts like this are ignored while conversation continues like it never happened. Leads to real credence of the fucking dead internet theory with the tier of bot level communication and daily formulaic threads going on.That said, thanks for your post. was real bueno.
>>61469942>anon discovers that retards (90% from /pol/, /his/, /int/, /v/ or literally in some cases reddit) don't try to engage with actual knowledgeable posters out of fear of being BTFO
>>61468140>>61468167>>61469581actual esl retards trying to fanfic a word defined in the English dictionaryhttps://www.dictionary.com/browse/opaque
>>61470288You're the fucking retard here, dumbass.>tends to be thermally opaquehad a reply stating that>only newer smoke is thermally opaque, regular ass/older smoke isn'tand then you had an autistic fit over being corrected.
>>61468063AYO dis nigga gonna BWOOOOO
>>61468776>>61468215>>61468167>>61468109>>61470295Just wait till you guys find out that the US has 'smoke' that blocks IR, radar, EM and even atomic radiation.
>>61470295>retard thinks thermally opaque means thermally translucent and still can't figure out the difference.>>61468070had the correct definition from the first post and esl trash like you tried to correct him. What is it with retards doubling down when their retardation gets outed? Is it the embarrassment of realizing that you have just been looking like an ignorant ass to everyone by using the wrong term up until this point? Accept that you were ignorant and fix it.
>>61470332Oh wow you're dumb.
>>61470345>no counterargument because esl cannot into engrish>ur dumblol I accept your concession
>>61470353I'm laughing at you, retard. I'm not providing a counterargument.
>>61470359>I-I'm laughing so hard that I had to instareply with another sad attempt at deflection from the fact that i'm an ignorant esl lol
>>61468044That's just neckbeards vaping on deck.
>>61468044Smoke has chaff in it now. A single “smoke” canister costs as much as your parents’ house and can block out thermal, radar, and a bit of sonar for some idiotic reason. Probably one of the submariner boys demanding it, but it creates noise.
>>61468054why, Iwaki Alpha, of coursehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h2nR-JB7EI
>>61470640>Probably one of the submariner boys demanding it, but it creates noise.Wouldn't that be the surface warfare guys wanting something to create a bit more ruckus if a submarine's after them?
>>61470640It also, for some stupid reason, contain heavy metals like lead. Or lewd. I prefer to call it lewd because of my phone. It contains lewd metals in the distant hope that if a dirty bomb goes off somewhere in the vicinity the entirety of the crew won’t eventually die since the thought process now is that pretty much everyone who would use a nuke would use a shitty skerry nuke. Or dirty nuke, whatever, phone, so this same smoke is gonna be deployed and spew enough heavy metals all around that the radiation dose isn’t quite so bad as everyone hunkers down and steams away. >verification not requiredFun fact, they gotta burn off these canisters on the regular or the heavy metal bits lose their potency due to being charged. You physics types know what that means, but they burn them off in the ocean. It’s still not nearly as bad as all the shit and plastic India and China dumps in the ocean, but green peace would protest
>>61470665They want to know if a submarine is after them, nobody on “”””””””our””””””””””” side is an issue, and everybody on their side makes crap that’s easy to spot. The noise fucks up their instruments bad and let’s a friendly sub do their thing since we’ve now reached a point where subs can operate with a handful of ships with no problem.
>>61469548Consider the third ship in the photograph to understand why you're wrong.
>>61469548>I don't think they're doing it on purpose.No, they very much are doing it on purpose.https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2022/january/fog-war-navy-should-reconsider-smokescreen-tactics
>>61469942you're sucking his dick enough that the rest of us figured it was covered
>>61470295There is no way that >>61468096 can't be construed as an idiot who doesn't understand what "opaque" means, mongoloid
>>61470681>lewd metals>dirty bombk-k-kimochi!
>>61469594Next do the Godzilla theme.
>>61470640>Probably one of the submariner boys demanding itFirst, floating tanks. Now, underwater smoke. What's next?
>>61468237DAMN YOU, SLOPPY HANDS!
>>61468776Smoke is usually made hot using white phosphorus or burning oil so it tends to generate a lot of heat. This is usually enough to obscure the target like a flare.
>>61475818In many cases it is the exact opposite; The US army makes 'smoke' via a turbine that puts out a cloud of graphite dust for instance.
>>61475742Check your you-dar. It isn't opaque.
>>61475866he's describing WP shells and Russian tank smoke generator systems
>>61475883Oh in that case yeah, that is true. Even US white smoke isn't really smoke, it's condensed atmospheric water around micro droplets of fuel oil.
>>61475818like this?
>>61476856>YellowThat's marking smoke. Phosphorus smoke is pure white and somewhat toxic.
>>61476856
>>61477091that's a diesel smoke generator from a tank viewed through a tank sight with a yellow contrast enhancing filter, most T-whatever day sights look like this>>61477098exactly my point, WP does not make the smoke opaque to LWIR and is effective only for seconds while it's falling through the air. how does that apply to ship defense? how many tons of grenades would you have to rapid fire to cover a 150x20m frigate while it makes a 90 degree evasive turn?
>>61477378It doesn't need to be. Phosphorus burns hot which is enough to fuck with an IR guided missile. If you want more IR protection you can use flares.
