Was it a good rifle?
Yeah
>double down on all the features that made the A2 worse than the A1>make it even heavier with a long-ass steel quad railNo. It continues the Marine Corps litany of errors in development of the M16 as a service rifleThe only good decision was issuing everybody with an optic on a flat top receiver
>>61478265That was the only choice back then if you wanted all of the toys you'd attach to the rail system.
>>61478157Yes and it still is. I killed several people with it.
>>61478329What is it like to kill a person
>>61478350It feels like wet sand
>>61478314Yes but the entire foregrip doesn't need to be a rail
>>61478157Its a good rifle. Its not perfect, but its good. It has the stupid burst mechanism of the A2 as well as the gay and retarded barrel. The rail was very good for its time. Today you would want something lighter and free floated of course. Given the transition from COIN back to LSCO, a full length rifle makes more sense again. The added velocity makes 5.56 more lethal at farther ranges. And the longer and heavier rifle is extremely soft shooting. An A4 is like shooting a 10/22. Accurate, rapid fire is easy.
>>61478436Aluminium free float handguards are quite garbage, they shift, easy to damage/bent, and look bad.
>>61478157I dig them. I was always issued an M4 and later M27, but whenever I saw a POG I'd take their M16 and played with them for a while
>>61478535They aren't as tough as a RAS but there have been several models that have achieved military adoption.
>>61478535People obsessed with their toy ultralight range rifles and delude themselves into thinking they're suitable for service use. Many such cases.
>>61478554>several models that have achieved military adoptionlike what
>>61478314A4 with the M5 RAS didn't really roll out among Marine units until 2004. A3s and A4s were rare as shit before that and had A2 handguardsBy then there were definitely options for lightweight handguards with short rail sectionsProbably best known are the PRI carbon-fiber tubes used on the SPR. Albeit not suitable for a service rifle due to cost and durability, they show there were options for making handguards with Pic rails that aren't full-length quad railsCanadian approach of just clamping a rail around the front sight was also an option
>>61478157This brings back happy memories. I can only speak from peacetime experience, but I did keep all my range data books because I'm a marksmanship autist. I was issued an M4 at my first unit and an M16A4 at my second. There is a noticeable difference between my holds and impacts with both weapons during wind calls at 500 yards. Wind, sunny skies, and temperature were similar on all my qual days because I always got sent to the range in the summer. The added velocity of the longer M16 barrel clearly helped, because I consistently scored ~10 points higher at the 500 with it.I got out right before they introduced the new course of fire. If any of you guys are still in, what's it like?
It still is a good rifle. Its heavy so it sucks for rucking with, but when it comes to shooting its really soft shooting. I don't think it'd be going away even with the M7.
>>61478350Like a bag of sand...
>>61478350I don't know I've only killed muslims
>>61478576>achieved military adoptionnta but the Marines replaced all their rifles with a 416 that has an aluminum free float handguard. People love to bitch about the M27, but if there was a problem with the handguards everyone would complain about it.
>>61478157It was alright, m4 is better.
why has every AR after the A1 just gotten heavier? the M16A1 is light and handy
its been downhill since this
>>61479490I can’t speak for marines but for the army it’s better for realistic(ish) marksmanship in a combat situation and its made to vaguely mimic a movement to contact starting standing unsupported with a single target before moving to the prone. Everything after that is fighting up from prone to standing with a barrier and all reloads have to be done from magazines on your kit.
>>61479844The M16A2 has a plethora of bad decisions in its design but its a phenomenal target rifle. My personal favorite is the C7 though because it’s just obscure enough for my autistic tastes
>>61478157It's a good rifle. I enjoyed shooting an A4 on the range far more than an M4. Only complaint is the M5 RAS should not have 1913 sections on the aft sections of the left and right sides. Identical layout to the geissele Federal SMR would be perfect.
>>61479910That sounds much closer to what my boots went through on the range at Lejeune after I left. We still score off paper targets with guys pulling pits instead of the automated green plastic ones y'all have, unless that has changed too. To be honest, I trust two dudes staring at paper from ~6 feet away more to tell me where I hit it over some clapped out sensor assembly that may or may not register depending on how BTFO'd the target is. Hope you shoot expert every time, King.
>>61479923plethora meaning what? Rear sight elevation adjustment like every other infantry rifle worldwide? Vastly more robust and serviceable furniture? Flash hider that doesnt kick up dirt?Only thing I'll say is the large adjustable windage knob is tarded and the barrel did not need to become bloated in the one spot where it doesn't matter. A2s and A4s have a peculiar front heaviness that A1s don't.
>>61478549>senpai noticed my 20"uwu
>>61478350Salty coins and milk
I don't have an intermediate caliber gun, and I like American military guns. Is this a feasible build for an A4?https://www.recoilweb.com/buildsheet-m16a4-oif-edition-133236.htmlThere's a local smith who can probably build it for me.
>>61480092https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/3095/fn+herstal+36320+15+military+collector+semi-automatic+.223+rem+5.56+nato+20+30Just save yourself the trouble and buy the accessories.
>>61479860How would anons have fixed the M16a2 program if they had a time machine solely capable of being used for that one express purpose with no other uses for said time machine possible. >Hard mode:No "nyet rifle is fine."
>>61478157Funny enough, the A4, like the M27, is within one pound of the weight of the M7, but apparently the latter is "ridiculously heavy," and essentially a BAR.
>>61480178keep the A1 pencil profile barrel (upgrade to 1:7 twist, though) and safe-semi-auto fcg. otherwise accept all the other a2 changes.
>>61478265>double down on all the features that made the A2 worse than the A1such as exactly?
>>61479991The automatic targets suck and ate up ranges in certain shitholes away from big bases will be shot through enough for bullets to just pass through and do nothing >>61480000Namely the barrel profile and burst selector, both of which are pretty significant changes. I run a C7 upper on a carbine lower as a semi-clone of a SEAL’s gun in the gulf war and it’s obnoxiously front heavy
>>61480460The A2 sights are a massive downgrade and arguably the worst change the A2 made.
>>61480672just use the small aperture, zero at 25/300m (like you're already supposed to), and don't touch the elevation wheel and it's functionally identical to a1 sights
>>61480860not him but how does zero at 25 work? Like do the vullets go directly in the center of target at 25?
>>61478436>gay and retarded barrelI agree, so I made one with a lightweight barrel and love it
>>61478157No, I'm told it was the best.
>>61481510Its coming
>>61481544Wouldn't be too hard to make that into an excellent DMR, but having it become the standard issue service rifle is peak US Army retardation.
>>61478265>A2>worse than A1The A1 was a fucking dumpster fire, there's a reason it was replaced.
>>61480499"Match" sights, heavy profile barrel. Both USMC mandated changes
>>61481588Would it really, though? All it offers over a 417 is shorter length. How important really is length for a dmr?
>>61481588It's not going to be the standard issue service rifle. The Army is only buying little over 100,000 of them.
>>61482272Nigger, an entire Brigade has them right now today.
>>61478350It means Japanese sword.
>>61478350feels like beavers and ducks, sometimes like sand and wet magnets, but I've only ever wished people for death and have enjoyed some obituaries more than others.
>>61481148Very nice Anon. I'm tempted to do something similar but mine is built on a surplus complete FN upper so I don't want to fuck with it. I have a pencil barrel 16inch and its very handy. One of these days I'll do a "fixed" A2 build with a pencil barrel and nice trigger.
>>61481544>>61482344yeah and some west german troops patrolled the border with G11s for like a minute
>>61484134>picrelSaving that for when it's eventually canceled.
>>61479860Based
>>61484134This is hilarious cope. It was already adopted.
>>61480178Make it the A3 with the full auto trigger packDont fuck with the barrel profileStandarize a weaver attachment for the top carry handle or just replace it altogether with a raised ridge for a railDont lengthen the stock, alternatively make the collapsible stock standard
>>61480178Integrate as many features of the E1 and Colt ACR program as possible.
>>6147815720 inch barrels are extremely based and for me are the shortest barrels I choose for my rifles People really don’t realize how much mpbr and how much reliable fragmentation range you get for every inch of barrel, or how smooth shooting a rifle length gas system is with all that barrel.
We need to bring back quad rails. MLOK and similar systems are for pussies with noodle arms.
>>61478157It is fine. Slight velocity advantage over the M4A1, which is also heavier than the M4.You could build the same or better AR15 yourself.
Krag-Jørgensen, fully adjustable rear sightM1903, fully adjustable rear sightM1 Carbine, fully adjustable rear sightM1 Rifle, fully adjustable rear sightM14, fully adjustable rear sightM16A2, fully adjustable rear sight, but somehow that is a problem
>>61478535Handguard rails don't need to be 1MOA. Handguards are for mounting a laser/IR illuminator and a foregrip. Lasers are for short range anyways, so the "warping" of aluminum vs steel doesn't matter.Optic mounts on the upper receiver rail, not the forward handguard.
>front heavy raildisregard it
>>61484500You invented the C7
>>61485011A2 Sight haters are just retarded. The A1 was the only break in a long line of flat range target oriented service rifles. You build fundamental skills and confidence on a flat range, it doesn't matter that you won't actually adjust your windage in an ambush.
>>61484967Quad Rails are gay just like you, stop spreading this meme. You have never had your hands grated up by a RAS or RIS for 16 hours a day for six months straight
>>61484500>have 20 inch upper on solid stock lower>cloner friend thinks its cool>guy loses his mind the second i toss it on a collapsible stock lower, acts like i killed his dog
>>61485957Tell him its a C7A2 build.
The A4 and A2 are just so attractive, who cares about flaws guns are supposed to look cool and out of the ar world they are the coolest looking anything else is gay and nerd shit
>>61478265>steel quad railThe rail is made of aluminum you fucking nogun faggotI know because I have one unlike you, you don’t even own a gun.
>>61485865>>61485975the C7 still keeps the longer stock though, and they go flat top whereas i mean a raised section meant to give good eye relief with a scope like the 656. Also obviously the C79 would have to give way to ACOGs. If you think about it any scope too long to put on a raised section like that and which would require a complete flat top isn't really meant for infantry use. LPVOs wouldn't have come around for a long time and you coupld probably extend that top rail an inch or two hanging past the front end and manage.
>>61486129Another option would be flat top and detachable carry handle, but the carry handle is just a raiser with its own rail section like this. You could make it as long as your standard sight system needs and go for a flat top when configured for special purposes, i It'd weight more and add more loose parts though.
>>61485981three point sling chadI'm thinking about a spectre gear magazine pouch and cst sling combo for my 20". Any other options?
>>61486129why would you raise the receiver instead of just incorporating the riser into the scope mount? Braindead. There's a reason nobodys done what you're describing since the 80s
>>61485975It’s loosely based on this SEAL’s rifle from the kuwaiti embassy in the gulf war, the big difference being I used a C7 upper instead of an A2 and a 4x scope instead of an armson
>>61486261Because most scope mounts don't actually come with raisers and you have to get them yourself, duh, and people have fucking around trying to find the perfect set up for good eye relief for decades. If you incorporate it into the receiver itself then that will force all manufacturers to settle on something early, especially since this would predate picatinnys.
>>61486299forgot my pic(s)
>>61486311
>>61484134"Yeah I'm gonna compare a grand total of 1,000 G11s, and a Squad being equipped with them, to 100,000+ units made and an entire Brigade already having them with more in the pipeline"I don't care for the M7 but Christ you're a fucking retard anon. Whether you're trolling or sincere, you're a retard.
>>61486299That is retarded as fuck and you should feel bad for being so stupid. >>61486311that setup is literally ideal, unlimited eye relief dot cowitnessed with the iron sights the the reciever and stock were meant to provide optimum height for
>>61479923Exactly. The M16A2 was min-maxed as fuck for the old USMC Table 1 annual qual course of fire where you're shooting static targets in predictable stages and positions at known distances competition-style with a loop sling, a soft cover, no body armor and bare minimum LBE and have multiple runs through the course before you shoot for score to dial in your holdovers for windage and adjust based off your groups from the previous days.Obviously this is unrealistic as fuck for actual combat which is why it got totally scrapped and replaced with a much more realistic annual qual course a few years ago.
>>61478157Should have used an adjustable stock.
>>61487137One of the coolest guns I’ve seen was an old canadian C8 with carry handle and an eotech 512 mounted on an M4 RAS rail. I really want to clone it but cannot find an RAS rail for the life of me.
>>614801781. Make the A1 barrel out of the same steel as A2, and give it 1:7 twist rate.2. Keep the A2 handguards.3. Quit fucking with it.
>>61485981>who cares about flaws guns are supposed to look cool and out of the ar world they are the coolest looking anything else is gay and nerd shityet you didnt post peak ar aesthetic.
>>61484438so was the AN94
>>61485981What build is that A2 ?
A2 bros, why nobody likes us...
>>61481588(((SIG))) got there's.
>>61492836Competition shooters still love the A2 setup.All the fancy match-grade target ARs for high power and service rifle matches are basically just tricked out A2s.
>>61491775Peak aesthetic but the ergonomics of a fucking brick.
>>61478350The pleasure of being cummed inside
>>61479860Let's be honest here. The m16 (when it actually got unfucked) is the perfect rifle of the time and even now as a norm shewtin rifle.
>>61492836Because your shit is purple with dilated pin holes and a block welded into the receiver
>>61480217The M27 is also ridiculously heavy and it's silly that the Marines would have specced a quad rail in the era of negative space attachment systems.
>>61482272>Develop a new cartridge to replace both 5.56 and 7.62>Continue to use both 5.56 and 7.62Unfortunately I think the army brass might actually be this retarded.
>>61478157Got a family member thats a Marine, theres still love for the Musket-16 but when the M4's and M27's start getting passed out everyone wants one because by that time they are all sick of carrying anything with extra weight
>>61479860No, that handle is gay as fuck.
>>61496032>16 inch barrel
>>61498445CBA to find purple 20-inchers, but they're out there
>>61478350I don’t know, I’ve only ever shot people that made me feel bad
>>61484421How can you live in such a pigsty?
>>61480860This. Midwits watch too much youtube and parrot bad takes on the A2 sights. It's the best part of the gun.
>>61500324It’s called being cripplingly depressed
>>61503241If you cleaned your house and got your life together you would be less depressed
>>61503233>>61480860I third the notion that A2 sights are fine. I personally prefer them to A1 sights.
>>61480932Literally yes.You set your rear sight to 300, add a click or two depending on rifle variant, shoot a group at 25, then zero with front sight post and windage knob.From there you would ideally verify zero at 300 but most folks don't really get the chance.See the instructions on the target.
>>61478350don't know, it's the drone that does itthere's a lot of sand tho
>>61505172do you have something like that paper for the a1?
>>61492343It's just a shitty h&r. It's a good shooter but the build quality is clearly not an old sp1
>>61504440Nah, it’s from external factors. When you lose a job that made you $250k a year there’s no point in caring about things after
>>61478314okay nigger what fucking toys were you gonna put on a rail in early gwot aside from a vert grip, a peq2 and flashlight
>>61507107>>61478369Bro who cares?! I carried an M16 with the RAS and it wasn't too heavy. It's still a relatively light service rifle. If you actually think it's way too heavy then you aren't at a military level of fitness even for a POG. Do your pushups. I saw fat supply girls lug that thing around every day no problem. Full rail is nice because you have more flexibility - and also, to reiterate, who fucking cares. They're not that heavy.>captcha: TH0T
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>>61507083I hope you feel better soon Anon
>>61478329Sure you did, son. Now lets get you to bed.
>>61507211I was a saw gunner with 3/1 but do tell me how the a4 wasn't simply a way for kac to sell the gubmint a shitload of rifle length qaud rails
>>61478350feels good when you see the red mist come out of ragheads
>>61478157The Canadians did it right. They even used a different process for their barrels that increases lifespan while maintaining accuracy.
>>61479979I enjoyed the M4 more than the M16A4.We are not the same.
>>61485981sexo
>>61507289What would the alternative have been? A handguard with a half rail? Why bother when the included rail covers could make any section of the rail basically the same as an A2? And why is it a bad thing that they were produced by KAC? It was a cutting edge arms company at the time. I don't understand your sawtism about this. A tough and modular handguard that could accomodate any attachment and in virtually any position at the trade of a few extra ounces added to an already lightweight aluminum .22 caliber rifle. Why wouldn't the government choose that over a slick design with rails only in specific places that may or may not meet the needs of the user? Because of aesthetics?
