It will replace their AS-90 fleet, beating out the K9A2 and the Archer.
firin' on the go, yo
>>61482806What's the price?
>>61482806I really expected them to go for Archer given they already operate a small fleet. Although with them procuring something like 600 Boxers which share the same chassis, perhaps this does make more sense.
>>61482806>They fell for "fire on the move artillery" meme Should've bought more Archers for the objectively superior wheeled chassis
>>61482887Wikipedia says €12M/unit for the first order.
>>61482806Based and fire on the movepilled
>>61482962>€12M/unitThat's nearly $12.8 million. Are they that desperate?
>>61482952They should, but they chose it because Boxer is domestically produced in the UK
Bong bros why the fuck do we buy from the krauts after crushing them??
>>61483221because ve are ze frienz nau
>>61482972there is nothing more retarded than firing long range unguided shells on the move. You need a perfectly flat surface for that to work which does not exist especially not on unpaved battlefield areas. The smallest unevenness will tilt the vehicle in unpredictable ways and constantly change the pointing direction of the barrel. A barrel accelerating sideways in random directions will cause excessive friction and wear during shots.
>>61483260But it can fire guided shells.
>>61483221It's a joint development being built in both countries.
>>61483221You will drive and fire the Haubitze and you will like it
>>61482806It makes sense since they're getting Boxers too for APCs. Are they looking at a tracked SPH too or purely just this?
>>61482806>BABE WAKE UP A NEW WEAPON JUST DROPPEDJust send it to Ukraine already goddamnit. They will test it
>>61482806Why can’t brits into domestic SPGs Or any armored vehicle for that matter?cuts such a stark contrast to German and American weapons development
>>61482806good choice, it can fire on the move and only requires a crew of 2, which is very relevant now with high personal cost and problems of recruiting enough soldiers.>>61482952RCH155 is objectively the most advanced SPG on the planet currently.>>6148334436 are being produced for Ukraine already.>>61483286it's a German development, but it will be co-produced in both countries.I wish the UK would let Germany into GCAP in return for the tank stuff because fuck working with France.
>>61483351>Why can’t brits into domestic SPGsLike the one they're domestically producing that this thread is about
>>61483375That’s a German design copelord
Is the RCH155 referring to the gun system or the whole system? Because the thing they're buying is a hybrid of the Boxer and the gun + system and being developed by both together. It seems weird when 100+ of the parts making the damn vehicle at made in Bongland anyway.
>>61482952Archers have a superior cool factor but arent actually superior to kraut or worst koreas spgsUnless you can prove me wrong
>>61483386whole system. The gun module is called AGM (artillery gun module).
>>61483351Warriortard in meltdown !
>>61483382You're a German design
>>61482806Is this the Mobile Fires Platform program?I was really hoping it would've been an Archer on an 8x8 Truck like BAE proposed
>>61483409I wonder how much cheaper it would've beenwhat a shamee :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
>>61483386It refers to the whole systemThe Turret was developed by KNDS independently and the Boxer vehicle is a joint project between multiple euro countries but germany is the biggest producer of themSo I assume Britain will make the Boxer vehicles themself and Germany will make the turret
>>61483344Bro Ukraine is getting the very first production batch ever.
>>61482806Firing on the move seems like a ridiculous selling point especially for artillery. Would it even be accurate?
>>61482806How heavy is it? Anything above 45 tons and I will call it a sinking ship
>>61482806useless without shells
>>61482806https://youtu.be/nUQNxSl-ylkARE THEY USING EDITING TRICKS? IS IT REALLY FIRING THIS FAST?!it seems faster firing than archerepic
>>61483260It's not like technology can improve, nono
>>61483455from this video you can see that the the RCH155 can get up and go immediately after firing, it does not need to return its turret to a standard position like the Caesar, archer, pzh2000, or any other SPG in its class. autismmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>61483455Look how slowly he's moving when he's firing. There is almost no difference to stopping for a couple seconds, firing, and continue driving. The fire on move thing is nothing more than marketing to impress gullible buyers and inflate prices and profit margins.
>>61483472but howww. it doesnt seem logicaldo you think this nigga will be driving up and down the highway lobbing artillery shells into addivka? that would be unbelievable
>>61483495But although the Archer and PzH fires faster this thing doesn't even need wait to pack up/ reset its turret position. it just does it whilst moving i think thats the selling point that and it being the most advanced SPG to date
>>61483389The A30D chassis they put Archers on is almost unkillable, theres fleets of them in Alaska that get operated 24/7 for 6 months straight as hard as possible to take advantage of the short gold mining season up there - And they almost never break, while carrying 60 tons of rock as fast as they can manageMeanwhile the Boxer chassis can barely cope with the 30mm lance turret
>>61483404Maybe. Though after having a tantrum and deleting his destroyer thread yesterday (after about a solid hour of people laughing at him), I'd be surprised if he would be back this soon.
>>61482806It's so uggo bros
>>61483418>Ukraine is getting the very first production batch ever. this way it will be tested in a real war and every customers will know how well it performs , also there may be an improved version ironing out problems of that first batch
>>61482806boosting british industry, by building more Boxer chassis
>>61482806Idk how I feel about this. One the one hand, economies of scale because the Brits are already buying Boxer (and will probably buy some kind of variant as a Warrior replacement). So, fiscal responsibility. On the other. >wheeled and, as the conflict in Ukraine has shown, your SPG's are going to take hits so having them on a tracked and vaguely armored platform is important.
>>61482806Does RCH155 fit inside an A400 or is it too tall? I think the Archer is having problems at the minute fitting inside A400 too. Are we upping the total boxer order of 1000 or will these be hidden amongst them in typical MoD style.Fuck me i wish we would just buy the 30mm turret version already and make it the RCT30 not the shitty one lithuanians have.
>>61484066If you're going to commit to an IFV then unmanned is stupid. Especially when there are great turrets out there like the South African LCT30 + camgun or the 30mm HITFIST
>>61482806Good. Next on the list should be that Finnish fuck truck 6x6 for rear line duties to free up the Boxer fleet.Sell us the Puma you kraut fucks.
>>61484066IIRC the turret module has to be removed for it to fit.
>>61484116Gay, does it fit in a C17?
>>61484045Boxers can also be tracked, but the main selling point of this variant is that it can shoot n scoot. See how feared the Caesar is in Ukraine and that's even less armoured.
>>61484125Dont know. Putting the module onto the chassis in theater is no issue, though.
>>61483017Nothing like it on the market. It's the next step in tube artillery development. The Bongs already use the boxer too, which makes things easier from a logistical and training standpoint.
>>61483260>The smallest unevenness will tilt the vehicle in unpredictable ways and constantly change the pointing direction of the barrelI really doubt it doesnt come with any kind of stabilization system that makes minor/common changes in the surface a non issue.
>>61482806It looks like it's going to tip over any minute.
>>61483017German prices typically include spare parts, accessories, simulators, training, service contracts, VAT etc.American prices are usually bare bone drive-away costs without VAT.
>>61483495No it isn't, because other system don't just need to stop they also need time to set up before and after firing. Systems on the faster side like the French CAESAR still need close to a minute for each. With firing on the move, even at these slow speeds, the system demonstrates that these times can now be omitted.
>>61483373>wish the UK would let Germany into GCAP in return for the tank stuff because fuck working with France.Then maybe Germany shouldn't have been such a bag of arseholes to work with on TyphoonThere's more chance of the Saudis allowed in GCAP than Germany
>>61482806It really looks like you just stuck a naval gun turret to the back of a Boxer, which is goofy in a way that I can appreciate.
>>61482806>replace their AS-90 fleetSo will they send all the AS-90s they still have to Ukraine?
>>61485012it looks like a shed with a pipe stuck in it
>>61484131Worth noting here that "tracked Boxer" means putting the mission module onto a tracked vehicle with little to no similarities with the wheeled vehicle outside of the interface for the module, and not "putting tracks on the Boxer instead of wheels"
>>61485053havent the ukies suffered enough?
>>61484977Germany allowed the export of Eurofighters to KSA.Also Germany hasn't even asked to join GCAP, but we should imo, because as I said fuck France.Also UK should also procure Boxers with Skyranger and Lance/RCT30 turret for close-range air defense and wheeled IFV roles.
>>61485053I hope we learn now to keep useful vehicles like that in long term storage. It must be nice to be the US and have a literal desert to store things in for basically free.>>61485260>RCT30Yes we need that>SkyrangerAnd that too>IFV rolesSell us the Puma alreadyDo any German sources say how many RCH155 we are buying?
>>61483221i like the germans more than the americans
>>61485302>RCT30Germany may buy that tooLance turret Boxers have already been ordered as Wiesel replacement for the infantry (more ammo, fewer soldiers carried)additional Lance turret Boxers or RCT30 will likely be ordered as wheeled IFV (not as much ammo, more soldiers carried)>Pumais that just your preference or are there any sources indicating the UK is actually interested in that?>Do any German sources say how many RCH155 we are buying?no, only numbers I've seen so far are 36 confirmed on order for Ukraine and Germany wanting something like 160-168 RCH155, no order has been placed yet tho
>>61485335>Boxers to replace WieselAh i see your MoD is also as retarded as mine, we are swapping cvrt (8 ton+helicopter transportable) for the Ajax 42 tons. Wiesel going entirely or keeping a few for different regiments?>Puma rumoursNo i just like it. We are far too retarded to even buy the CV90 off shelf even though its now owned by a British company.>NumbersIm hoping the 1000+ Boxers we have on order are seperate from the RCH155s.
>>61485399
>>61485399the Wiesel serves two roles in the German military, 1 as air transportable platform for the paratroopers, in that role it's obviously not replaced by the Boxerthe second role is as weapons carrier for the regular infantry, in that role it's replaced by the Boxer, which is a perfectly reasonable decision imoI assume the UK doesn't intend to use the Ajax as replacement for the airmobile role of the CVRT eitherthere will be a new vehicle simlar to the Wiesel for the paratroopers>No i just like it.I remember you. Yeah Puma is kinda cool but its issues make me not like it all that muchI think CV90, Lynx or Redback are less risky choices and if the Ajax fails I guess the UK will opt for one of those
>>61485429>Ajax failsAjax is already being rolled out.
>>61485502so then the talk about Puma or CV90 is pointlessis there an airmobile replacement for the CVRT too?
>>61482806It's a great gun and all, but with just 30 rounds I'm not sure if it's the best choice for main arty.
>>61485684that's why you gotta buy the reloading Boxer version that comes with it for just 999.999.999 bro
>>61485429Nah I think we have lost that air mobile fire support for now in favor of the supacats instead, which is...different i guess.Yeah i remember you too kek, Puma looks mega.Memes aside i think the Ajax is fine now, its being delivered (slowly) question is the IFV role (warrior) needs a proper replacement, CV90/Lynx is the obvious choice but Im a Puma guy.
>>61485703well if you chaps ever feel you wanna keep airmobile armor, I'm sure we can make a good price on the Wiesel successor for you (only 3 times overpriced instead of 4 times)
>>61485699That would be a wise purchase, the AS90 carried 48 rounds. Does it say anything about ordering those too?
>>61485725nope, haven't read anything about orders on the reloading Boxer, nor have I seen anything about it except for that drawing, not sure if a prototype has even been tested.
>>61485722Kek i saw that before, good bit of kit. What armaments do they come with? The wiesel had a Tow and a 20mm before right, is the 20mm from the Marder?On another note i have no idea why we bought the Archers with the Volvo cab, 1. Its ugly af 2. We have literally 7000 Man HX trucks with a fresh order for 500 more.
>>61485703holy fuck that fucker WIDE
>>61485843We got a thing for thicc
>>61485828>What armaments do they come with?apparently it'll have a 25mm autocannon, and another version with MELLS (designation of locally produced Spike) will happen too. I think I read somewhere the turret will be able to house both the autocannon and ATGM, but apparently not. It's a small vehicle after all.>The wiesel had a Tow and a 20mm before right, is the 20mm from the Marder?yes, TOW and the 20mm from the Marder. tho TOW has been replaced by MELLS/Spike now.>On another note i have no idea why we bought the Archers with the Volvo cabperhaps the Volvo cabs were available for cheap or sth. They probably work just fine too
>>61483495it doesnt even need crew the drone mode is already a capability it needs for the german army
>>61484977waah waaah germany doesnt let us sell our premium fighter jets its developed with us to people who hate us and cut people apart in their embassys in our land
>>61485828>>61485918The LuWa will be armed with a 27mm gun, probably a Mauser BK-27 or a derivate of it.
>>61486030nope, its gonna be a 25mm.the MoD has announced a new competition for it. Its not only gonna be used for the LuWa but also for the successor of the Fennek, the Korsak
>>61486030>>61486164oh yea addendum I forgot, its highly likely its gonna be the Oerlikon KBA, because it fits all the criteria demanded.which are>In Use>max height 36cm>ITAR Free
>>61485302>Sell us the Puma alreadyWhy would you even want that piece of shit when the KF41 exists. The Puma was always some retarded bureaucrat pet project that the BDSW hated and was objectively a shitty IFV under most metrics.That's also just talking about performance metrics and not how the Puma has software issues on like a weekly basis at this pointhttps://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2023/11/28/software-snags-delay-german-puma-fighting-vehicle-upgrades/
>>61485315Krautistan is a paypig and canonfodder colony of the US and so are (You).
>>61483407Good job, anon. That shut him up.
Why the fuck is the as-90 considered old?It's 30 years old what the fuck is it lacking?
>>61485302Puma is shit retard.Crew utterly hate it, it has no auxiliary, it breaks down a ton.
>>61483520You can't delete your threads after so much time has passed, newfriend.
>>61484977>Then maybe Germany shouldn't have been such a bag of arseholesGermany never asked to join and if it would Britoids would offer free blowjons to sweeten the deal.
>>61483221Dude, you guys france/britain would have been crushed if the US and fucking A wouldn't have send aid and troops to you. Europe would be speaking german by now. so be thankful, dipshits!
>>61484111Panzergrens hate the Puma and prefer their old Marders. Something to consider.
>>61483409>Is this the Mobile Fires Platform program?Yes
>>61483221Boxer is a decades-old Anglo-German project>>61483017modern armoured fighting vehicles are at least 10 million now, even if it's "just" an IFV
>>61489273They didn't produce a huge number of AS-90s and the British army seems very taken with the idea of high mobility artillery systems (lessons learned from Ukraine?). Before this announcement Archer had been the favorite and a small number had already been acquired in 2023. Plus they're already planning to operate 600+ Boxers so the parts commonality is a big selling point.
>>61483260Europe has some of the densest road networks in the world, and technology is far faster than humans could ever be.That tiny automated gun in someone's hand that can aim correct you by moving the barrel and waiting till the exact time to fire can be enlarged.
>>61483373>The Boxer started in 1993 as a joint venture design project between Germany and France, with the UK joining the project in 1996.It's a joint western european IFV carrier, and France left once again to persure its own development>France left the programme in 1999 to pursue its own designSo please, suck a dick, I've seen you spam this shit for a decade.
>>61484116you sure? feels like you should be able to fit 2 of those in a A400 no problem
>>61489369I have been out of government for a while but I believe the thinking here was that archer platform was incredibly vulnerable to light drones and drone laid mines.The RCH unit can be swapped between MAN, Boxer and tracked boxer so there's built in counter obsolescence built in which is now the big drive in UK defence procurement. I suspect archer will be retained post 2030 and will form a QRF arty for 16AAB as it is transportable in a400m.
>>61489391UK also left in 2003.
>>61489416A400m carries one Boxer chassis each. I don’t know whether you can move two gun modules per plane.
>>61485972To be fair, the guy they cut up is a Muslim brotherhood shill, so it's not really that bad
>>61489281>>61488609>>61489340KF41 gay.Any hard evidence or just Daily Mail tier articles and trust me bro claims? >>61489273>>61489369The AS90s got chewed the fuck up over 20+ years in Iraq, Bosnia and Kosovo. A decision was needed to replace them or upgrade, the K9 thunder was nailed on to be its replacement. Ukraine changed that rapidly, fast mobile spgs were prefered and the Archer was always going to be a stop gap until a decision was made.>>61489420I dont think they fit in an A400M, I read the Man truck mounted one will but the Volvo cab is too long. Pretty sure it was one of the reasons the MoD didnt buy more/choose Archer.
>>61489391no dude. I haven't even been on this site for a decade. Boxer is a German development with some Dutch participation. France and UK both dropped out.
>>61485972It's not only that. Germany has hampered Eurofighter for years by complaining about workshare:>Held back Praetorian DASS development because they wanted their own Hensoldt systems until they realised it was too expensive, then bought a bare-bones version of Praetorian without MAWS, until they realised they needed the MAWS too>Refused to buy PIRATE IRST for Luftwaffe because it wasn't German. But gloated about Luftwaffe having F-22 "kills" that were only possible because they used Airbus' test airframe that was equipped with PIRATE>Held back funding development of the aircraft as a multi-role, because German sissies only believed in using it for air defence. Consequently lost sales to Gripen, Rafale and even old shit like F-16 and even Su-30 because of it>Have fucked up every export bid they were in charge of managing, except Austria. Who just got the Luftwaffe's cast-offs (the ones without MAWS)Typhoon is 10 years behind where it should be and a lot more expensive then it should be, because of Germany.
>>61489772what export bids of Eurofighter was Germany in charge of?but yeah it's a fuckup
>>61483495>There is almost no difference to stopping for a couple seconds, firing, and continue driving.It's a big deal if there's a drone flying around in the vicinity
So…..what’s wrong with the AS90? Why can’t the Brit’s continue modernizing their great AS90 platform? The reason why the U.S. keeps on modernizing the Paladin because it’s never worth the expense acquiring something new vs upgrading.
>>61489810Usually setting up the gun, firing and then moving away takes several minutes. This provides a window in which the gun is easy to engage. A SPG that’s constantly moving is significantly harder to engage. Decreasing the attrition rate increases the value per system. It’s basic math, anon.
>>61489921Meant for >>61483495
>>61489904See >>61489490The reason the US doesnt replace the shitty M109 is because they are in the fortunate position of not needing an SPG, because they have a huge fucking airforce and a hundred different ways to hit a target before considering some gash spg. Keep upgrading them though its a win for BAE.
>>61482806If you say so...
Why is /k/ hating on this ? Fire on the move sounds like the next logical step to avoid counter artillery fire, computers can do the aiming.
>>61490098Vague
>Tfw you are in a BMP getting engaged by wheelie boy spg in direct fire mode
Ideal situation imo would be>150 RCH155 >Remaining AS90s refurbed with mothballed AS90s then deep store good ones>14 Archers sent to 29 CommandoIt will be very annoying to see the remaining AS90s scrapped or all donated to Ukraine, this conflict has shown its nice to have vehicles in storage even if they are old.
>>61489340>Panzergrens hate the PumaI heard the opposite.
>>61489273>what the fuck is it lacking?a 52 calibre barrel, digitisation, 21st century mechanical bits, and more productionkeep in mind that, as with most American Cold War shit, the M109 series is only kept alive because of the massive production run that means it's economically feasible to upgrade a fraction of the fleet and there exists a massive pool of spares that can be used to remanufacture "new" units>>61489490>the K9 thunder was nailed on to be its replacementlet's not get ahead of ourselves
>>61489772even today they're still monkeying about with the Typhoons they're in charge of>equips Luftwaffe with inferior Mk1 radar made by Hensoldt rather than superior Mk2 radar made by Leonardo UKjust about everything that makes the Typhoon great today was pushed by the RAF in spite of German horsefuckery
>>61489927>Meant forlearn to delete posts>>61490269>its nice to have vehicles in storagekeeping vehicles in storage in usable condition (as opposed to leaving it outside to rust) costs money, a constant supply of spare parts is needed to replace slowly deteriorating components and maintainers need to work on them and drive them around every couple months or soassuming the cost to store a vehicle is say 25% of regularly deploying it, how many currently operational howitzers would you like the British Army to decommission in order to maintain how many usable howitzers in reserve?budgets are finite.
>>61483373>only requires a crew of 2How do they keep the beast maintained?
>>61483260>You need a perfectly flat surface for that to workGod fucking damn it anon, think for a single fucking second before you post your stream of consciousness.>tell the computer where to shoot>hold the trigger down>the computer knows where the barrel is pointing because it knows where it isn't pointing>the computer waits for the exact microsecond the barrel is pointed in the exact angle it needs and releases the shotKind of like those "self aiming" guns the jews are dabbling with where you hold down the trigger and the firing control system releases it when you are on target.
>>61485699>the boxer train is real and it can hurt you
>>61489921>>61489927There is no "setting up the gun" (You) stupid fuck. He can already fire while moving. Stopping to guarantee a stable gun takes no more than a couple seconds.
