I'm tired of waiting
>>61561720Then make it yourself
>>61561737good morning sir. here is the powerful armor.
>>61561720>>61561737I miss when the maker space kids tried making exosuits. They'd get all excited because they'd make some significant bit of progress, post their videos on said progress, then suddenly never update again and all their social media would either disappear, or never get updated again, but very occasionally one of them would say "Oh guys, I got a new job, not sure how that will effect updates yet".That was a fun time. The same thing happened to open source fully automated textile production.
>>61561720>can be one shot by revolver>can be overpowered by 3 civisnah
maybe when batteries don't run out in 20 minutes we'll have power armor.
>>61561753>here is the powerful armor.
>>61561753SAAAAAAR
>>61561766>The same thing happened to open source fully automated textile production.funny how making a t-shirt is seen as being exactly as dangerous as a suit of armor that will let you shoot a mini-gun.
>>61561767Jesus christ bethesda and this new tv slop has ruined fallout.
>>61561780Could use propane like a fork lift, so the emissions are clean enough for indoor use.
>>61561720will never happen without a much better power source than what we have now. At best now you could make an exoskeleton for the legs and support torso and thigh level 4 armor powered with a harbor freight engine.
>>61561720Warfare reached its peak in medieval times
>>61561720In what scenario could you send a power suit, but not a soldier (or squad) with conventional weaponry? In what scenario could you send a power suit, but not a missile or bomb sent from a safe position? In what scenario would it be better to send a single foot soldier in a suit that costs as much as a jet, rather than one or both of the two alternatives described above?It doesn't have to be as useful on the battlefield as a tank or a jet or a drone, it has to be MORE useful to justify not simply using one of the methods we've been using for years. Why send a guy in a suit of armor to clear a room when 3 grenades work just as well and cost a fraction of a fraction of what just power armor training would cost?Until our enemies move back to battle rifles and let the computers aim them and we start losing significant bodies to 300m neck shots or tungsten rounds, you won't even see soldiers get anything more than standard plates they already have.
>>61561720How fucking hard could it be to add some motors to this shit? I swear to god, scientists are getting lazier all the time.
>>61563761Specifically, Henry VIII's tournament armor. Fully-articulated plate covering everything from head to toe except under the arm pits.
>>61564050For teh love of god and the ten-thousandeth time:IT IS NOT THE MOTORS.IT IS NOT THE BATTERIESIT IS NOT THE WEAPONS, ARMOR, OR EVEN THE ARTIFICIAL MUSCLES.IT'S THE BATTERIES/POWER SOURCE.
>>61564066Its even got dick armor
shizo time
>>61564075THEN SCIENCE SHOULD FIND AN ENERGY SOURCE.I DON'T GIVE A DAMN HOW I JUST WANT THERE TO BE FUCKING ARMOR POWER
>>61561720If power armor isn't real, then explain this.
Once POCCNR sends in Horriganovich everyone will know everything
>>61564075>IT IS NOT THE BATTERIES>IT'S THE BATTERIES
>>61564099>I JUST WANT THERE TO BE FUCKING ARMOR POWEROK, so all you have to do is completely revolutionise either physics, chemical engineering, both, or a whole range of other fields. Get cracking, it can't be that hard to completely revolutionise all of modern science in ways that would impact every aspect of society, industry, and civilisation on every level. Those money hungry bastards in the MIC are sitting on it because they couldn't make enough money from owning the patents that would underpin every part of the most radical shift in humanity since records began.
>>61561720Power armor is outdated before it’s even been invented. Why bother putting a human body in it at all? Were making everything into drones and a mobile weapons platform doesn’t have to be in the shape of a human body to be effective.
>>61563997>you won't even see soldiers get anything more than standard plates they already have.Calm down there, WW1 General.
>>61564292Even if we could build exoskeletal suits with the reliability and endurance needed for frontline use the generals would just use the extra load carrying capability to give the grunts more useless kit to carry rather than armour or weapons.
>>61564309They tried the same shit when IOTV's first came out and withing a year everyone dumped everything besides the core vest and a few old ass platoon sergeants who for what ever reason kept their neck chokers.If you were caught wearing the pads and dick/butt pads you'd get relentlessly mocked.
>>61564103I understand the armour part, but where's the power?
>>61564158
>>61563074>muh interplay was the bestKill yourself, my dude
>>61564077You need to protect the royal jewels so he can keep making daughters like a failure.
If militaries needed something like that they'd just give dudes roids and put heavier armor on them and do the training that increases mitochondria density for muh endurance.
>>61564325>where's the power?in that swagger
>I'm will fucking smash this mouse in my house with a hammer
>>61561720Youtube guy instalation 00 is trying to make functional mjolnir power armour. I have no idea what his power source is going to be
>>61564075No. It’s all of it.
>>61564075>IT IS NOT THE BATTERIES>IT'S THE BATTERIESIt's all three actually. The boston dynamics humanoid robots are a good testbed for the kind of motors you would need and they are nowhere near ready.
>>61564265>it can't be that hard to completely revolutionise all of modern science
>>61564211The problem is that a pound of batteries weighs like eight pounds.
>>61564265
>>61564075Would it be possible to use the human body to power it? Like transforming the calories we ingest into actual power. I have absolutely no idea of what I'm talking about but a cyborg-like human with built-in batteries using the energy of a body seems like the closest we could get to a Spartan or similar.
Fallout shills need a bullet.
>>61561753I sitll can't belive that they tried to make a serious segment on him.
>>61564066>>61564077The heck? How you gonna take a leak?One if your squire to suck it out?
>>61561720any power source big enough to handle that under gunfire is just going to explode into a fireball, right next to your body
>>61565331but both your body and your armor are in the way of enemy fire and the power system, and you have the advantage of carrying computerized sensor suite system giving you possibly the edge of detecting and identifying the target before the other guy
>>61565350unlikely
>>61565098>>61565149Yeah, except for this you're probably not going to be finding out how things work, it's going to be a lot closer to breaking thermodynamics to get what you're shooting for there. Once you can break thermodynamics you're basically a god. >tl;dr, you could give a team of 'once in a generation' geniuses a budget of several trillion dollars a year for decades of work, and there would still be no guarantee that they'd be able to do it.
>>61565381>STOW WaterspiderWut
>>61564414Go fuck yourself with a rusty surplus bayonet, Todd Howard.
>>61565381Based. Idgaf what todd howard or the tv show says, 3, 4 and 76 are poo poo pee pee and non canon.
>>61568923Waterspider is a factory term for a person that runs around and finds part and does the leg work for Parts Planners.
Cope cages.
>>61563074underrail is the true successor of fallout 2
>>61565265>Power armor that makes you tired and hungry faster instead of taking away the burdens of heavy activity
>>61570212Just put fatties in them then. Lots of surplus calories to burn and no issue with their added weight because that's offset by the power armour anyway.
>>61564414Why did you say a true statement as if it were stupid?>>61561720Kill yourself and stop making this thread.
>>61563761what is that weapon?
>>61561780TALOS used a solid oxide fuel cell good for 16 hours.
>>61569839I guess that is going to stop anyone from hitting you in the head with a hammer
>>61563074Show is good as fuck, get ready for season 2 gayboy
>>61573404
>>61565381>, no one's watching your faggy queer niggerporn version of falloutFallour 1 and 2 had all these things zoom zoom
>>61564309>more useless kitWhat is an example of this useless kit that seemingly always gets added?
>>61561720RPG team says "Hi."
>>61574062Necessitating and RPG for every squad everywhere is a major logistic hurdle. Do you have any idea how much those things weigh? Not trivial
>>61574020nta, but did they had childish description of masturbation too?
>>61565314It's sputnik.
>>61574062>RPG nah, they can go down with single bullet to front. even small shrapnel can disable them if it cuts one of exposed tubes
>>61574092>they had childish description of masturbation tooYeah Yeah they did just check out New Reno
>>61574104Obviously a power armor designed for war instead of showing off in a video game would not have the most critical part on display with zero protection.
>>61564077The amount of dents in the codpiece is amusing. Either people REALLY didn't like him or he just had the armor beat the fuck out of it to proof it.
;)
>>61561720Exoskeletons will come first, those evolve into power armor, then gundams.
>>61561720>inb4 muh power soresThis has already been figured out in the field for a previous exoskeleton. Methanol fuel cells -silent, no combustion, compressed gas power source. If you need more power (and jump jets like it's Battletech), use clusters of miniature jet engines with turbines for electricity. I'm assuming that even with a mechanical drive train, that power armor will require significant electricity for running sensors and weapons.
>>61570425>what is that weapon?Looks like some kind of blunted poleax, probably for SCA dueling.
>>61565350simply put the computers in space or on a really far away plane and cover the user in the much smaller, more robust, and less power demanding sensors
>>61561720The main problem is the lack of a mobile power source.I doubt you'll ever see a heavily armored one though, a cheap drone would punch right through it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5P4i-aytws
>>61574062Extremely based. Imagine having to lug around antitank weapons for dealing with fucking infantry.
>>61575164>then gundams.I'm as /m/ as the next guy, but why? Powered armor combines the protection and firepower of an AFV with the survivability, versatility, and staying power of infantry. Going any larger just brings the vulnerabilities we see with tanks and other armored vehicles today, i.e. big target that has more difficulty using cover and concealment than a dude.
>>61574137It must have been the latter, since Henry VIII never used it. He had it commissioned for the tournament at the Field of the Cloth of Gold but the French made a last minute rules change for no other reason than to stop Henry VIII upstaging Francis I with his cool new armor. The English armorers had to put together something (picrel) that would comply with the new rules at relatively short notice and they didn't have enough time to get it gilded, which meant the king's new armor didn't just look stupid, it looked cheap.
>>61576181Insurgents do that anyway, its business as usual for them. The only opponent power armor infantry could face that wouldn't bring RPGs to every engagement would be US civilians.
>>61569839Raider Power armor looks like such ass, I never used that shit.
>>61564414>>muh interplay was the bestWhy yes, yes it was.>>61570212And the obesity epidemic is solved
>>61576181We already do that.Also here's some obligatory RPG sniping, RIP Jamsheed>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfx74JBz2EI
>>61564103Anyone got the gif of the guy in a transformers costume stumbling down and fucking disintegrating lol
>>61577326So you're down to a muzzle loading weapon against enemies with fully automatic weapons? And how many RPG-7s per squad are we talking? I think this is a win for power armor.
>>61579272Also what if the enemy has more than one power armor? What if the enemy consists of a squad of 10 power armor infantry?
>>61579346Or a mixed group of infantry and power armor. Or Armor and Power Armor. Try to prepare for everything and you prepare for nothing.
>>61576203I can see Mobile Workers as a natural extension of Excavators but the jump to actual combat platforms is the real leap.
>>61575297Methanol? I've heard of Hydrogen and Methane fuel cells but Methanol is news to me. What's the advantage of Methanol over, say, Methane?
>>61576203>>61579990because anime has themlet's say they will fit the mini thorium reactors but the human size ones won't they're immune to missiles because they have a Tesla tower built in
>>61581177I think it had something to do with fuel handling in the field, methanol had better characteristics.
No one is watching this gay shit kill yourself
Ironically the X-01 is a very well designed armor.The forgoing of shoulder pads/pauldrons for an armored hump that encloses the back and head is genius and takes weight off the shoulder and places it on the upper back instead. Also the chest piece.
>>61582067Yeah, I can see that happening. Hydrogen is a bitch to work with because it's so atomically small it does weird quantum tunneling bullshit. Methanol mixes well with water and isn't particularly toxic. Besides the whole going blind if you drink it bit. The whole invisible fire thing is dangerous but I bet there's a number of additives you can put into it to make it more visible. >>61581550Canonically, the Mobile Suit was the smallest thing that could fit a Fusion Reactor.
>>61583735>Canonically, the Mobile Suit was the smallest thing that could fit a Fusion Reactor.The minovsky ultra compact type reactor is stated to be as big as four refrigerators put together, so, anything that could carry that, would be able to be fusion powered. You could toss one in the corner of your garage and power your house forever. This is why they won't happen in real life, anyone that owns a house could be completely energy independent.
>>61569909god fuck no, that overly complicated shit was awful, even fallout never had shit where you needed to wait 10 hours to see if your build was "dev approved" aka play the way we want or you suffer
>>61573404>nuked the NCR>literally the lazy retard excuse to remove any goverment>for muh wasteland feelfucking disgusting
The thing that gets me about designing power armor is the hands. Sure, you can get ordinary fingered gauntlets for protection, but you might need a mitten-like cover on the back of the fingers for better protection so can still use a gun. Any enhanced strength and speed isn't going to be terribly useful if the grip strength is still the same.>>61575297That Pitman suit design is awesome.
>>61579549You just hit them with everything you got, they're still human and scared as shit in combat. The Brits knocked out an IFV with just 7.62 FAL rifle fire in the Falklands. There's a primal fear when you know you're gonna die, even when you're not gonna die.
>>61584567Except that this cuts both ways and while you're tooling around with Assault Rifles, Power Armor has M60E7s with Ironman ammo backpacks and either AT4s or satchel charges or more grenades than most platoons each. This gets even more effective in close quarters where it's harder to leverage numbers advantage. You just don't have the lines of sight to engage power armor with overwhelming numbers so you end up losing small engagement after small engagement.
>>61585397>M60E7...Some kind of hypothetical M60 variant? Cut down for close quarters?
>>61583898Please, the sauce
>>61587297Patlabor 2, I think.
>>61583898>handsThere's a lot of theoretical development in spacesuit gloves and diving suits to apply here. First, there's no need to replicate the human hand. Something like NuytCo's Prehensor is more than enough. Second, adding other tools besides end effectors on the hands makes sense, like the proposed SkilMate hand. One important thing would be to have a high performance interface to the long weapons the power armor soldier would carry. Yes the Pitman is the coolest, most realistic attempt to define a buildable suit yet - and it's 30 years old.
>>61561720go to japan and get to work on their gundamsit's their national dream to get one workingnot even joking, their engineers across tons of sectors model their products after gundam things
>>61561753Ghana did it first, Apostle Kwadwo Safo Kantanka pioneered this technology in his hometown of Ghana, making the exos from cocoanut shells. The Kantanka fighting suits are powered by waving and are much superrior to indian models.
>>61589230Yeah, pretty much every realistic design has the hands control another pair of hands even as far back as the Pitman concept but for a space suit or a diving suit that's not quite the same as a battlefield situation. You want the soldiers in power armor to be operate just as naturally as if they were in regular combat gear, so you'd want them to still be able to throw a grenade or fire a gun that isn't designed exclusively with giant Pitman hands in mind.
Think about this: If powered exosuits were viable, even with an umbilical power source, one of the space agencies would have made and fielded some by now. Power armor is basically asking for a man sized and shaped tank. You'd expect it to be mostly immune to small arms fire, and able to nearly ignore blasts and shrapnel.. While still letting the wearer enter most buildings, still navigate stair and doors.. All without becoming a mobility kill. I'd also bet you want it to be able to stomp on anti personnel mines like a kid splashing in puddles. Oh, and of course NBC proof. All while dealing with heat and keeping the guy inside comfy cool in the desert and toasty cozy while standing out in a blizzard of 60mph winds at -57°F.. It would need to be able to run at full load for at least 3 hours without refuel or battery swap. The part that gets most people is that it SEEMS possible. And to an extent, it's actually scientifically plausible.. But when you actually start getting into the challenges, it quickly becomes obvious until some big jumps in motors, servos, mechanical muscles, materials and especially energy sources.. Well, then it's obvious to you how insanely far away it all is.. Much less integration... Likely someday. Just not anytime soon.
>>61592430This hits on the constant speculative feature creep that ensures it will never happen. A bare exoskeleton that carries the weight of your issued body armor and ruck is a perfectly sound reasonably idea, and it will probably happen some day in some capacity. But nerds cant separate the concept from fallout or starship troopers and thus create these retarded fantasies that just cant be fit into a package that must still be maneuverable through regular doorframes. Full protection from commonly encountered small arms means nearly an inch of RHA and spall liners, all over the body. Protection from CBRN and explosive blast necessitate a sealed hard shell with positive pressure. Either you compromise on protection, in which case its barely worth the effort over an IOTV from 15 years ago, or you compromise on size, which defeats the purpose.>If powered exosuits were viable, even with an umbilical power source, one of the space agencies would have made and fielded some by now.On one hand, SpaceX just unveiled their new suit which is supposed to be a fully articulated hard shell. On the other hand, space doesn't currently have much demand for exoskeletons, everything is weightless so regular human strength is fine.
>>61577327There was zero reason to use it pretty much ever. You get a full set of T-45 shoved down your throat 5 minutes after character creation and its piss easy to keep that suit repaired until the Brotherhood shoves a full free suit of t-60 down your throat around 90ish minutes after character creation if that.
>>61592868F4 was wayyy too generous with power armor, I had a small fleet by midgame
>>61581177Hydrogen is a bitch to handle at the best of times, in the field it would be borderline impossible.Methane is better but still a gas with all the fucky shit that comes with that.Methanol is a nice, easy to handle liquid.
>>61574115New Reno was easily one of the most bleak places in the game with slave whores and cutthroats on every corner.
>>61590440I wish I was as good of a grifter as the Apostle
>>61583798UC gundam has a lot of weird bits that don't necessarily apply to the real world.In this case, the forced migration to the space colonies demanded the widespread adoption of fusion power. The Federation Elites responded with harsh oppression of the colonies and that provoked the One Year War.
>>61564093>cum camo
>>61592931Got any ideas for dealing with the whole Invisible Fire thing?
>>61592126Maybe, it depends on how the trade study plays out in terms of usability. Note that the Pitman proposed integrated .50 caliber guns. Grenades are perhaps easier from a launcher than thrown.
>weekly power armor threadDo you guys never get bored of talking about it?
>>61594354Add gasoline?
>>61561753*saar
>>61564075Motors are the same as those mechanical arms use. Its non issue.Weapons and armor is just a piece of metal. Nonissue.Fuel/generator is the issue. If you use electricity directly, you need batteries. If you use other fuel you also need generator. If you use a car engine to power your power armor you might as well use a car at this point.Battery is the issue.
>>61594544Nope!>>61594553I don't think that's going to mix well with a water-methanol solution.
>>61594714Actual solution is to put the methanol fuel tank in a copper mesh bag or similar metal. Any flames will change color from the metal burning.
>>61564158>AI makes combat rifle more AK likeaids
>>61594794Which might warn you if there is a fire but not how far it extends. If there's a methanol spill that catches fire you won't benefit from burning copper.That being said, it's not a bad idea. Copper and copper alloys are pretty corrosion resistant so a copper outer shell can protect the fuel tank.>>61594814Look at the hat, it's a Russian PA. You know how Russians love the Kalashinikov.
>>61594965Liquid/compressed fuels are still the way to go, whether the suit uses a mechanical linkage or electric motors. The single biggest issue, IMHO, isn't power or tactical utility. The biggest issue scaling above a body-hugging exoskeleton is building a decent walk cycle, while also building a suit that can effectively armor the crotch area. This was an issue for old melee armor and for space suits, and is generally hand-waved regarding power armor. If the goal is overall blasts, shrapnel and small arms protection then the challenge is best summed up in being able to take a claymore to the nutsack and walk it off.
>>61594528>Grenades are perhaps easier from a launcher than thrown.On second thought, the only thing that would really hold anyone back from using a grenade is the reduced wrist articulation, other than that it'd be like handling a much smaller grenade. But my point is the same: if you didn't have any rifle grenades, but you were able to get some hand grenades, it'd be a shit situation where you're stuck with the added weight of a built-in grenade launcher that's out of ammo and be unable to use any grenades. (Weapon attachments that could be swapped-out might not be a terrible idea, since you wouldn't be trying to build an entire arsenal into the suit)It'd be far more efficient and convenient to come up with a system that allows use of hands, even if it means detaching the gauntlet and leaving the hand bear for a little while.
>>61594965>Look at the hat, it's a Russian PA. You know how Russians love the Kalashinikov.i know bro, but that's not a kalashinikov, thats shit. AI is shit. Rifle is shit.
>>61595534I'd make the suits so they have a slot over each shoulder, typically one for a sensor package and the other for an automatic 40mm grenade or Spike launcher. Being able to use handheld weapons would likely involve exposing the operator's hands - PA is a different thing than ordinary infantry - the analogy would be tossing grenades from your tank. There's a great scene in one of the Appleseed manga where Deunan opens a front part of the shell of her LandMate and pulls out a Seburo pistol for some close-in work.
>>61595719>PA is a different thing than ordinary infantrySays who?
>>61595908Ground pressure.
>>61574062Not gonna do shit unless you get a direct hit with a HEAT round >>61561780Nuclear batteries will make it work
>>61594965Could an additive to the methanol fuel itself work for coloring the flames? Kinda like how natural gas has mercaptan added to it so you can smell a leak
>>61561720>Woke up this morning
>>61596089With modern composite materials and an efficient design there's no reason a suit would ever add more than 200 lbs, and when you consider how fat people have gotten, an additional 200 lbs on an already fit soldier is nothing.If you want to load it up on a bunch of built-in weapons and other unnecessary bullshit, sure you might want to consider it different than ordinary infantry. But if the design is actually good, you'd just use standard gear.
>>61564093This anon is a gem of autism
>>61561720 Power armor is basically taking an abrams battle tank and scaling it down into micro format. Who says you need to only have two hands or two legs? AI can assist with aiming the other 4-8 guns you can bolt to power armor, so now you have have 4 guns at once instead of 1. Have the lower legs split into a front anchone and rear leg portion into a rear anchor and then mount a 60 mm howitzer, and fuck ton of rockets?. Hell on the shoulders you can even scale the tonnege like a tank but now you don't have to deal with extra crew members in one unit, just support roles to keep the damn thing fed with ammo. As long as the power armor costs about what an apc does it will have a niche. Folks got this wacky idea that its just armor when in reality its an entirely new system of warfare, Have 12-14 power armored calvary with the combined total of 2-3 abrams with a single abrams support, being able to abandon the platform if it fails would be useful, but in modern sense it just replaces horse with metal deth forklift.
>>61596667What you're asking for is closer to a small mech than it is power armor.
>>61597151 that's basically the inevitable outcome regardless of how we get there. Much like vehicles, The frame should be modular for both Drone Computer apperatus and humans in the event of electronic warfare. But that is ideal thinking, not what zog wants with full automation of every aspect of existence.
For maximum efficiency, we should only put human brains in them - without the rest of the body. The remaining space can be used for extra fuel or ammo.Extreme biological research is needed to perfectly integrate the mind and the body. Rigorous religious training will need to be used to prepare the mind for the transformation. These resulting blessed machines will wage the holy crusade to unify earth.
>>61596447>200 lbsI think you might be confusing power armor with a simpler exoskeleton. I want something with radar, jump jets, a missile launcher and enough crotch protection that it can shrug off antipersonell mines.Meant to post this Guges D earlier - this is a suit that would weigh maybe 700-1000 lbs even with composites.
>>61597460>The Subterrene War Non-genetic augmentation. Exo-genetic, you could say.
>>61596667>>61597151>>61597187All hail Mini Mecha.
>>61597600>Guges DYou're gonna find that most people consider that a mech, not power armor.
>>61597600>this is a suit that would weigh maybe 700-1000 lbs even with compositesThat is far closer to a mech than power armor. And with something that big and heavy you might as well have a cockpit instead of wearing it like a suit. Scopedog from VOTOMS is about the same height and has a cockpit, and a suit of power armor needs to be fairly well tailored to the person wearing it because few people have the same body proportions.A good suit of power armor mostly needs to keep the wearer alive no matter what, increasing their strength and speed to aid it, while a mini-mecha is more like a bastard child of an armored fighting vehicle and a P50 with feet.
>>61597664>>61597688Tomato/tomahtoeLimbs go in suit limbs, it's power armor. If we can build something like I described for 200 lbs, great.
>>61597708That depends on what you consider a "missile launcher".
>>61597715Spike, specifically or that little minimissile that Raytheon was pimping last year.
One day...
>>61597723A couple of these wouldn't be too out of the question, and don't count the missiles themselves as part of the total weight.
Take my brain out and pop it into one of these bad boys.Fuck pilots, direct neural link.
>>61595719>Shoulder mountsThat's going to take some advanced cybernetics and I doubt >>61596089>>61596447I mean, the frame, power systems, and actuators probably won't be more than 100 pounds but add in armor and weapons and you can easily get up to 300 pounds. Add a 200 lbs allowance for the pilot and I think a 500 pound limit should be fine for anything meant to climb stairs>>61596667That's a minimech and while I like minimechs you're basically asking it to go up against tanks and IFVs. The advantage of Power Armor is that it's competing against Infantry for the same niche and infantry are already suffering from airburst munitions and drones. >>61597460And then you run into massive maintenance costs due to all the life support needed to keep a human brain alive. Intraveneous nutrients, artificial blood oxygenation, sugar regulation, even adrenaline synthesis because the adrenal gland isn't in the brain.
>>61592868nah its even easier.I was exploring the rail line for like 20 min and found 2.you actually have to avoid exploring the game if you dont want to drown in power armor.
>>61597767Is that the Ex-Wife?
>>61597802>and weaponsAdding-in weapons in general is a really fucking stupid idea.>>61597843No, it's your mom's dildo.>>61597773>>61597460The amount of life-support needed to keep a brain alive wouldn't be much less than keeping a whole body alive, because only a few of the artificial vital organs we've been able to make so far have been small enough to even fit inside the body.
>>61597802>That's going to take some advanced cybernetics and I doubtHow does a big camera, mortar or grenade launcher require cybernetics? The soldier is just using a point-and-kill trigger to launch, and a sensor package is likely to be fully automated, like the F-35's DAS
>>61597715>>61597767That's the one I was thinking of for a smaller missile. If possible, those could be vertically launched from a suit's backpack like VLS on an Arliegh Burke.
>>61598716Because there's no point in putting it in a shoulder mount otherwise. Think of why you're not putting it in an arm mount. You want the gun to function independently of the arm and, by extension, the hand. If that's the case, then what are you using to control the GL? Can't be the hands. If the hands were free to use the grenade launcher you'd mount it to the arm or hold it in the hands. Mounting the gun on the forearms would be superior simply because you can see and service the grenade launcher. Clearing jams and loading specialized rounds, for example. Even covering the entire hand would be preferable simply because you don't have to rely on some complex fire control that may or may not be vulnerable to ECM at a target you may or may not be able to see.
>>61596183Yes Johnnie, a round does not kill unless it hits the target.
>>61598716Oh and you can replace the camera with a go-pro on a stick. It's a lot easier to handle and you can peak it around corners. You could try a radar mount but that gets COMPLICATED
>>61597860>Adding-in weapons in general is a really fucking stupid idea.So...you plan to fight a battle barehanded? 'cause I wasn't counting built-in weaponry.
>>61599136Yeah, I misread that.
How doable is the HEV suit? For those of you who are underage b& and haven't played Half-Life, it provides some protection from extreme temperatures, radiation, electricity, falls, and being shot. It makes the wearer significantly faster and stronger, stores ammo, and can monitor vital signs. It even injects medicine when necessary, such as antidotes to known neurotoxins. It also seems to reload your guns for you passively, and taking Gordon Freeman's extensive arsenal as not just a gameplay mechanic, it must also assist in carrying guns somehow. What materials would we be looking at for the armor? Why does it work much better as armor when charged up? (It still works as armor when uncharged judging by how Gordon can take multiple rounds from sniper rifles shown to kill other humanoids in one shot). How realistic are the NBC/temperature protections, and what about the speed and strength enhancement?
>>61600875In broad strokes, yes. I imagine first gen power armor is going to be very HEV-like, focused on protection and carrying capacity. However, a lot of what the HEV does is pretty magical. Not just storing a dozen weapons, but reloading them too? And a full fledged medical suite with antidotes for neurotoxins? Impossible based on current technologies. Implausible based on developing technologies. Impractical based on theoretical technologies. I'm fairly certain that Black Mesa used extradimensional storage just for the weapons and I'm gonna go with some kind of nanomachines (son) for the medical suite.
>>61601069Fair points, but I do feel a more limited arsenal would be doable if it had some kind of rack on the back and/or holsters on the sides.
>>61601192One or two holsters for a specific model of gun, sure, but for a dozen guns? You're basically looking at something like Metal Wolf Chaos just to carry them, never mind reload all those guns.
>>61601426I was thinking of the shotgun and AR2 strapped or racked on his back, a holster on each hip for the pistol and .357, and the SMG (since it's small) perhaps strapped to a leg. The RPG, crossbow, and gravity gun would need to be left out.
>>61601522You could get away with that many guns in ME1 because all those guns were designed to fold up. They also didn't have autoloader mechanisms. Bare minimum, that's a hopper full of mags and a tiny robot arm for loading them. This could work for the shotgun since most shotguns don't use detachable mags but for anything that does use a detachable mag you're basically doubling the bulk.
>>61601670Yeah, the autoloader might be too complex for modern robotics without being excessively bulky if there's that many.What about the armor plating, though? What materials would protect from .50 BMG (assuming Combine snipers fire something equivalent)?
>>61564265your attitude is standing in the way of science, go edge to a thunderfoot video and leave progress to us
>>61601890poor quality troll
>>61602092I am completely serious
>>61563997> smaller target to hit> easier to hide in jungle> able to clear out buildings and bunker networks> Hostage rescue > way more stealthy> it's fucking cool as hell> makes medieval weaponry viableYour I.Q. is in the single digits if you can't conceptualize the utility of fucking power armor
>>61601781I'm thinking alternating layers of Ceramic Armor, Kevlar, and UHMWPE. Double up on Level IV armor, basically. Even then it's going to hurt.
>>61563997>Why send a guy in a suit of armor to clear a room when 3 grenades work just as well and cost a fraction of a fraction of what just power armor training would cost?Are you sure they're dead? Really sure? Sure enough to walk in without armor? How do you know they didn't just duck into a side room or hid behind furniture? How do you know the grenade landed anywhere near the enemies? Eventually, you're going to have to enter that room and you have to ask if you'd prefer to walk in with just torso plates or full body protection. That, and we now have drone and airburst munitions. Cover might protect you from a direct hit but you're still getting peppered with strapnel. Body armor might prevent it from killing you outright but your arms and legs are still getting torn up. That'll take you out of the fight and tie someone up dragging you to safety.
>>61564414Filtered.
>>61582075anons liked fallout before a BLACKED tv show retard
>>61599064I see your point on clearing jams. As far as controls, I'd expect the pilot to have two joysticks as general controls inside the suit's forearms, going with not trying to copy human hands. As far as radar, cameras, etc. all those things are easily integrated into a single package and AESA radar has no moving components. Think of PA as more like a light helicopter or IFV than infantry-on-steroids.
>>61583798>GundamThe only reason they worked is because the Minovsky Reactor worked with the Muon being captured. Irl, when we tried that in the 50's, we found it could not be done, had it, yes, we would have been able to have ultra compact fusion. Now the Thorium Salt fags think they can get to work, but it has not been proven yet.
>>61600875>It also seems to reload your guns for you passivelyWhen does it do that?
>>61565326too scared to pee yourself bitchboy?
>>61561720Use a radio-thermal generator
>>61600875>>61605567He's referring to the fact that if you change weapons, any gun that's put away for long enough will eventually reload on its own. It's not really a feature of the suit as much as it is Valve treating players like they're retarded.A number of the things he lists aren't even really functions of the suit as much as they are just videogameyness in general.
>>61565326>>61606126A built-in toilet is a real design challenge that I can't quite figure out, but even then I'm far more interested in figuring out how an inner lining for a suit could be made that wouldn't be a sweaty disgusting mess if you tried to wear it for weeks at a time.
>>61606314Either a pack or expansions to parts of the suit which wont heavily affect mobility that has tubes attached to the anus and the peehole. The ass tube will be adequately sized and presumabely the rations for these dudes will be made to accommodate.
You’re going to wait forever. A very boring realization you’ll eventually have is that technology is near its final state, and that’s what is left is mostly just degrees of efficiency climbing into the realm of diminishing returns. There won’t be the material science or power storage breakthroughs needed to get something like space marine armor. That will be the product of your imagination just much 100 years from now as it is today.
>>61594354>Got any ideas for dealing with the whole Invisible Fire thing?What exactly is the problem?
>>61594354have you tried just using diesel?
>>61561720Once again with power armor threads: What specialized uniform or "undersuit" would power armor operators be wearing? Can't imagine soldiers be wearing their standard BDUs inside a power armor frame/chasis. So specialized undersuits are made for power armor operators that help interface a wearer's limbs and joints to work in tandem with the armor's frame and protect the wearer's fleshy bits from pinching hazards via the frame's internal joints and mechanisms.
>>61606559>Can't imagine soldiers be wearing their standard BDUs inside a power armor frame/chassisWhy not? If its got pinching and crushing hazards on the inside, that's just bad design and not something inherent to the concept.
>>61564093Uwe Boll making rampage 4
>>61574023Anything at handAnd if there is not anything then rock or somethingThere is a reason why every project to lighten soldiers burden fails>Lighter radio>Make battery bigger>Smaller more powerful battery>Add another battery>Lighter magazine>Add another magazine>Lighter armor>Add more of itAnd in the worse end of the stick people get more of everything without the lighter gear
>>61607333By that logic we should have never moved away from flintlock rifles.
>>61606424Methanol produces very little light when it burns. Under daylight conditions it's practically invisible. This is fine under normal conditions but if you have a fuel fire it's hard to manage without FLIR. >>61606549Diesel engine or diesel fuel in a fuel cell? The first is too bulky and inefficient while the later just redirects to fuel tank.
>>61607319Ah yes, another Uwe Boil.>>61606559I'm not too worried about pinching, that's generally a suit design issue than an undersuit issue.That being said, you could wear a Liquid Cooling Garment copied from an EVA suit. I know some Veterans that would do dark, despicable things for that kind of convenience and soldiers will fight harder when comfortable rather than on the edge of heat stroke. You could also go with additional armor layers, like shock absorbing foam or a couple layers of Kevlar. Or you could just go minimalist with a spandex uniform. Just the bare minimum to ensure you're decent while out of armor. >>61606358Charles Holland Duell said that in 1899. He was wrong then just as you are wrong now.
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>>61607618We moved away from flintlock because there was better stuff available.Not because of weight.If new and better rifle weighted more we would move to itAnd USA is already doing just thatMoving to heavier and better rifleWeight is often a non factor
>>61608422By that same logic, we're making better shock infantry. Infantry as it stands simply can't carry the armor necessary to stand up to airburst and drone attacks so it's either make better infantry or throw young men into meatgrinders.
>>61606559>What specialized uniform or "undersuit" would power armor operators be wearing?something with integrated heating/cooling system
>>61608522Same shit
>>61608803Except we solved the M2 Bradley issue by sending more M2 Bradleys to carry everyone so the logic doesn't follow.
>>61561720Power armor? who needs it?
>>61574088A modernized LAW weight just under 8lbs
>>61608901No shit it doesn't follow.No matter what you do with military it doesn't make sense and at the same time it makes perfect sense.Go back to >>>/m/
>>61609719Sounds like you're just a luddite and can't cope with new technology.
>>61574062
Please just make Bolters viable>b-but the Gewennie Conventi-Shut the fuck up
>>61606596>>61606596I honestly don't care if normal clothes can be worn inside it. I want something I would be able to wear for extremely long periods of time without discomfort. But I can't really think of any good way of doing this, since it'll eventually be soaked with sweat and grease.>>61610005You don't have to obey the Gewennie if you're a civvie.
>>61610005Honestly I could see bolters being sorta viable. If PA can protect against small arms, light frag and light concussions, then you would need to up gun to pen it. Instead of using HMG rounds that are heavy and require a beefy gun to fire you could use a 12+/- gauge HEAT rounds, with rocket assist they could probably cover standard engagement distances. All the tech for it has been tried before.
>>61583798>This is why they won't happen in real life, anyone that owns a house could be completely energy independent.Did you forget about the "makes a fuckhuge explosion that punches holes through habitats on failure" part?
>>61600875With a good enough power source, yah. You could accomplish pretty OK ballistic protection by weight with a UHMWPE hard shell and CBRN protection with a demron underlayer. Dissipating all the heat would be difficult. You could potentially have some sort of liquid cooling system a la spacesuits (which already accomplish most of the shit HEV does, btw), but it's going to drain power constantly--refrigeration isn't cheap. The suit also injects morphine and neurotoxin antidotes--doesn't seem to crazy to stick some kind of biomonitor with atropine autoinjectors or some shit in there. I think movement and powering said movement would probably be your biggest issue. You could probably do it with muscle alone if the cooling was good enough, but then it's not really "power" armor, just an environment suit.
>>61596253That's what I'm thinking but I don't know enough about fuel cells to know what would fuck them up.
>>61564626How the fuck he can even open those pouches with those cyber gorilla hands?I love the concept of bots wearing chest rigs and the like but at least try to make it plausible that they could use them.
>>61610791That's only when you hit them with a charged particle beam. A beam saber or beam gun hit would kick the helium-3 from near critical to super critical. Think of it like shooting plutonium rods into a fission reactor. Just smashing the reactor would scatter the working mass which is why mobile suits never went nuclear when crushed.
>>61609698So more than an M4 Carbine.
>>61610770>Honestly I could see bolters being sorta viable.They're high-caliber gyrojets that explode.
>>61612031They also have a conventional gunpower charge, so they're more like rocket assisted artillery.
>>61612142It'd be far easier to make a real working one if that weren't the case.
>>61612210AAI would have made it a reality in the 80s for the CAWS program as a counterpart to they're "SCMITR" flechette round but it got canceled before they finished development.
>>61612246I meant a a homemade bolter.
>>61612246We need another Cold War asap
>>6161203119.05mm>>61612142>Self propelled>Not self propelledChoose one
>>61612959Never heard of a Rocket Assisted Projectile? I'm not surprised, they get a bad RAP.
>>61561720there's an exoskeleton by hilti which helps you hold power tools above shoulder height for longer periods of time
>>61583898extended forearms where the real fingers control gloves that track its movements and mimic them on the robotic arms that then do the job that said universal grabbers like human type hands will be a niche for walkers. Much better to have detachable hardpoints to swap out both arms depending on what you want on it
>>61600875if you have magic materials everything is doable. At this point it would be easier to create the alloy Combine uses everywhere in their structures that has a blueish hue and never reacts with anything while also remaining indestructible
>>61561753okay, now i will redeem
>>61613681>extended forearms where the real fingers control gloves that track its movements and mimic them on the robotic arms that then do the jobI know, I just think that's a bad design. I address it: >>61592430
>>61573365I'm very upset that TALOS didn't go balls to the wall. They should have went for full blown 300lb+ armored hulks instead of worrying about selling the idea to spec ops guys. Your whole concept is to make something that's nevar been done befoe and you compromise to make it light and sleek for door kicking so it's too bulky for tight spaces and not as protected as a light tank in infantry package. Who cares about globohomo doorkicking? That's been only done in a handful of occupying wars. If they could have justified the suit with extra firepower plus the need for antipersonnel weapons to take them out it would have been a lot better, and for any argument against it breaking down you could argue that again, it should fill a role of basically a bunch of light tanks to support the infantry. They may not squeeze indoors but they can definitely go through back alleys and blow their way in if needed.
>>61595585AI still designs better weapons than all of Bethesda put together.
ok but if the ideal power armor were to exist? who the fuck would they give it to? some random NCO that earns the title, or will there be an entire regiment/division dedicated to power armor training?
>>61615394I'm guessing manlets.Smaller pilot means smaller power armor, which means less weight from armor and frame, meaning it can move faster and/or carry more boom with it than a human sized power armor could.
>>61615394Since the ideal power armour provides massive benefits, has no significant drawbacks, and is cheap as fuck to produce... everyone. Absolutely everyone.
>>61615421>mfw power armor will exist in our lifetime>exists for the sole purpose of getting midgets & manlets to existas much as i'd hate for that to be the case, i will say that I do find it fucking hilarious if it were true.>>61615448so we're talking two centuries till we get said power armor right?
>>61564414its crazy how alike in shitty behavior /k/ is to /v/ sometimes
