Westoids can't accept this.
>>61576672"to OF ever been"? are you lobotomized or just american? do you genuinely not think about what the fuck the words you are typing mean?
>>61576672Aw, that's cute.
>>61576685youre gay
Get your bespoke shit out of here we need room for 30000 of a REAL man's attack aircraft
>>61576685GET IN THE FRIDGE GET IN THE FRIDGE GET IN GET IN GET IN
>>61576696what did these things do except get shot down?
>>61576672
>>61576672I really like it in Project: Wingman. I think it looks neat.That's the best I can do.
>>61576672That would be the A-10, which killed at least 2,000 tanks, vehicles and artillery pieces in Desert Storm using 4,800 Maverick missiles>>61576692>F-111>deletes at least 500 Iraqi armored vehicles in Desert Stormyou're ignorant
buccaneer moggs
>>61576827>you're ignorantyour boring a10 sad fat slow and heavy slug throwerf111 badsu25 greatits simple
>>61576672>to of ever been
>sorties you're thread
>>61576709their main purpose was stafing or rocket bombing forward positionsthey also had a pair of autocannons that could deal more damage than their relatively weak rockets (4x 2lb rockets)it was definitely worse than the P-47 in the ground attack role, the 10x 7.5lb rockets of the P-47 could offset the poor accuracy of the rockets through sheer weight and the P-47 could actually fly fast enough to hold its own against enemy aircraftbut the 30,000 Il-2s produced meant they could mass a truly large swarm to offset their individually weak load
>>61576672Me109 mogs everyonein killsin production numbersin active service timein stylethese pretty planes are just like little babies to herand for fucks sake ukraine, get an easier to paint camo pattern. no modelist wants to spent a lifetime masking this shit with tamiya tape.thank you and godspeed bombing the russkies
>>61577060no one cares for ur cuntcraft
>>61576827lame.pic related did killed more with dumb bombs and mg / autocannons.
>>61577067cuntcraft? how dare u talk like that about your mother!
>>61577079>pic related did killed moredied more too
>>61577102oh really sherlock, constantly hovering above an active battle zone exposes one to enemy fire, does it?can one get hurt in this thing called a war?
>>61576672bitch
>>61577172ahh, so you don't like it when others make unfair comparisons eh
>>61576827>killed at least 2,000 tanks, vehicles and artillery pieces in Desert Storm using 4,800 Maverick missilesFrom the people that lost the video of the highway of death and the MSF hospital attack in Afghanistan.
>>61577195nope. but in absolute numbers of k/d any world war participiant wins over whack-a-mole snow/sandnigger edition fighters. esp. if on the outnumbered side.but, shouldnt you be in school right now? or are you little brat phoneposting during class?
>>61577317pajeet opinion ignored
>>61577321shut up shitskin, dont projekt your niggerism onto the masterrace
>>61577177>door on the side like some fucking sky truckhow much internet space did it have and whats the fucking point anyway
>>61576672even in ukie camo it's ugly as sin. Frog foot really is an adequate name for the lumpy monstrosity. Also Russia has lost 31 and Ukraine 17. That's 48 of these bastards lost over a few years in a tiny area. Truly a successful design yeah
>>61576948>came to post thiscarry on
>>61576827>That would be the A-10, which killed at least 2,000 tanks, vehicles and artillery pieces in Desert Storm using 4,800 Maverick missilesSource?
In video games like DCS and CMO the Su-25 has an extensive loadout. All sorts of PGMs. Bit in real-world Su-25 operations in Syria and Ukraine it’s ONLY dumb-rocket pod. Literally nothing else. Why is there such a discrepancy?
>>61576696Love the IL10’s armoured radiator. I wonder if such armouring would increase survivability of a water cooled engine to that of a radial air cooled in a naval carrier setting.
>>61578021Because IRL the guided munitions it uses Kh-25 and Kh-29 are only used as anti-ship and anti-structure missiles. It has no ATGM capabilityThe Su-25SM3 can use TV-guided munitions, but again they're not ATGMsSu-25T/Su-39 had ATGM capability with Vikhrs but they're beam-riding, and exposed the plane to immense risk of being shot down compared to pop-up strikes using them from helicopters.
>>61577609I don't think they had Internet back then mate.
>>61576672That's why it's the most shot down aircraft of the war right ?On both sides.Because of it's sucess.
>>61576709Looked cool
>>61578260debatable
>>61576685God I love AardvarkWhy did they have to go? Why did they have to make Jesus weep by pulling F-111 from service?
>>61577611name a better design
>>61579008>>61576685
>>61578728Something something swing wings expensive something something asbestos
>>61578728I flight mechanic somewhere in the world just wished you were dieing from herpes.
>>61576709cheap to producemuch like the T-34 which was a shit tank, it was able to be cranked out in such numbers that losses didn't matter much
>>61576672That's a funny looking Tornado.
>>61577079Slick improvised tow method. Maintainers be like that.
>>61578728Simplest answer is, it was built to fly a mission that is no longer part of the US's and most NATO partners' strategic & tactical doctrine. The main driving purpose of planes like the Vark and Tornado where to bomb low & fast because air defenses and SAMS were getting too good and too numerous in the 60s and 70s, and it would be unreasonably costly to try and fight through them. The only real way around this problem was to fly in places that radar had trouble seeing. As technology developed, ECM and jamming became much more effective, decoy drones became a significant part of large air packages, ways to destroy or suppress anti-air ground systems got a lot better. Combine that with anti-air radar getting better too, with better look-down ability and data-linking for stuff like AWACS to peer down into valleys, the better answer for "AA systems, what do" became to confuse and suppress the shit out of them rather than try to hide from them. It's the Vark's luck that it turned out to be a really good strike bomber thanks to the payload capacity, unfortunately the parts of the design that allowed it to go low and fast well meant it had to compromise on other things. It's also a plane from the 60's, it was due for retirement. Ironically, I feel like the conversion of EF-111's paved the way for its own demise, showing that a fast ewar jet was good, so why not make them out of existing F-18's and save cost, training, maint, etc.
>>61577609Learn to internet. Skyraider history is worth it.
>>61578105No, because one (other than tiny) hole in a liquid cooling system and it's fucked. OTOH radial engines have had whole cylinders blown off and still RTB so long as the master rod is intact. Radials use roller bearings which merely need lube. Most inlines use shell bearings like cars which rely on oil pump pressure to hold the crankshaft off the bearings and the connecting rods off the journals making inlines far less tolerant of damage. Turbines and jet engines also use roller bearings and use internal air blankets for cooling making them robust too.
>>61577611A "tiny area" where the biggest conflict after WWII is taking place. Seek help now
>>61576672Although I agree, a brown person wrote this.
>>61579478^This and the support footprint was hyooge. While every airframe has a few turbo-autists who love working on it (because working on aircraft is fun for the right humans) the Air Force has to consider resources, deployment footprints and pallet positions (every bit of airlift space used for one purpose is unavailable for others including more of same), and other stuff uninteresting to teenbois of all ages. US air power is expeditionary while non-expeditionary users can fly such systems much longer. A more famous example is Phantom which were always maintenance hogs. Avionics and comms in the tube and tuning motor era (I was a 328X0 on Bronco and Phantom) were a major support burden. That meant deploying more people, parts, test equipment etc than for much more reliable modern systems. The stuff was fun to work on especially in back shop but also prone to intermittent malfunctions. Some bench checks included a drop check (raise radio or whatever X inches above bench while connected and powered on then drop and verify all is well and in tune). I and many others were mildly gobsmacked those systems worked as well as they did.Tip for any tech (USAF example here) with a component that's intermittent despite group best efforts: Find a part not available, not listed in tech data etc then keep it for the scrounge (hidden supplementary parts stash every unit has somewhere) foot locker. Write it up wisely then NRTS (Not Repairable This Station, pronounced "nertz") it so it goes away and you get a fresh unit so the aircraft can do what it was bought to do, generate effective sorties.
>>61578021I mean, tbf you only needed barrel bombs to bomb ISIS and other moderate headchoppers.In Ukraine no side can fly theirs without getting immediately shot down.
>>61579556>one tiny hole and it’s fuckedWouldn’t the amour cladding increase the size of shrapnel required to cause such a hole to a point such that even a radial wouldn’t surivive?>Radials use roller bearings which merely need lube. Most inlines use shell bearingsCouldn’t rollers be used to avoid that issue? I can’t imagine it’s a requirement as the wasp major stacks cylinders behind each other.
I like ww2 aviation because it was the peak performance of soul — just lightweight frames and simple controls carrying a big engine and big guns. It all came down to which guy had the biggest engine and most guns. Once we enter the jet engine era the rules of physics start determining aircraft design to a greater extent. Now it’s who has the best stealth, most sophisticated sensors and longest-range, highest-performance missiles, areal refueling and AWACS.
>>61579748>>61579478
>>61577609Built in cuckshed for equipment operators / passengers depending on the variant
Do pilots just piss themselves if they have to go while on a flight mission
>>61576709Read “The Forgotten Soldier” by Guy Sajer. He was a German in logistics on the eastern front and there’s some detailed accounts of convoys getting shredded
>>61579748Thank you for your informative post, anon.
>>61576672>Best possible execution of an utterly shit concept (CAS)What do you call this?
>>61576685Sir, that's clearly are fighter. Why else would it's name start with F?
The A-7 was a good attack plane.
>>61576696Ah yes, the Easy Mode, WWII German Ace Generator.
>>61578728because it's an ancient airframe, swing wings are maintenance heavy, and F-15Es with targeting pods are cheaper>>61579748>hidden supplementary parts stashand then they wonder why there's so much wastage and why the Pentagon is unable to complete an audit of a trillion dollars of untraceable equipment
>>61581353I had no fuckin clue this is what was inside those things.
>>61581353>You get a door AND a windowCanberra navs absolutely seething rn
>>61581785>a fighter is a better attack aircraft than your attack aircraft
>>61579584Vietnam's still bigger, but on the other hand, given Russia's overall incompetence and stubbornness, this shit likely will outlast that eventually. Even worse eventual outcome for Russia than Vietnam was for the US too.
>>61581785>F for Fighter>Su for SuckhoiF-111 wins
For me, it’s the Skyhawk.
>>61577609> how much internet space did it have and whats the fucking point anywayThis anon never heard of a hind and he is probably eating beans
>>61576672This plane will always have a special place in my heart because of the 2007 Ivoirian strike on French aoldiers blowing up these motherfuckers, sending them to hell.
>>61577609>how much internet space did it have'bout three fiddy megabytes
>>61582904kys
>>61576696
>>61576672>The world must successful attack aircraft to of ever beenI know o/p is trying to tell us something, guys, but I just don't know what it is. :-/Anyone have a fix on him? He either overdosed on curry or he might be strokin' out at his computer.
>>61583214I think it was probably bait to get us to post pictures of various attack aircraft
>>61581785Any plane is a fighter, if used in a war
>>61583183Assblasted Frenchie
>>61583216I like this kind of bait
>>61581777Su-25 is absolutely shit as a CAS plane. In fact it doesn't even do CAS. It merely does ground attack. It comes in quick, unloads dumb rockets into the predetermined area and swiftly fucks off. It doesn't loiter to pick up and confirm targets with a targeting pod. It doesn't do precision strikes. CAS means close, precise targeting of enemies near friendlies. Su-25 doesn't do that. It doesn't have the tech. It's too fast to do it by eye. It's more like artillery but in the old sense, without today's drone correction and software maps. As an actual CAS plane A-10 mogs it. Hell, any American multirole fighter mogs it at CAS. Targeting pod and precision munitions makes this true. Su-25 has neither in practice.
>>61581777You will never be a real close air support aircraft. You have no targeting pod, you have no precision-guided munitions, you have no cockpit visibility. You are a mere attack plane twisted by Communist cargo cult copying into a crude mockery of the original American perfection.All the "validation" you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. The troops on the ground are disgusted and ashamed of you, your Western contrarian simps laugh at your Soviet clanker cockpit in their Discord servers.Ground troops are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands years of warfare have allowed soldiers to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even attack runs that "pass" look uncanny and unnatural to the soldier. Your fast speed is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to hit close to the the general vicinity of the enemy, you'll turn tail and dash back to base the without even talking to the troops you're meant to close support about a follow on attack.You will never hit anything near your friendlies to relieve them. You wrench out a rocket volley every single sortie and tell yourself they're going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the casualties creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight of retirement into a museum.Eventually it'll be too much to bear - you'll come in screaming low and fast, pull up, and unload your dumb rockets in the general direction of the enemy, only to get shot down by a MANPAD before you could cowardly get away. Ground troops will gaze up to the sky, heartbroken but relieved that that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They'll write in their memoirs that no close air support took place during that mission, and that what you did was more akin to a glorified MLRS artillery job.This is your fate. This is what your designers chose. There is no turning back, only a quick dash back to base.
>>61576672Su25 is a shit which must retired from zsu already. This garbage cost to many lives of our pilots
>>61584371good one
>>61576672STUKAVERBAND IM ANGRIFF AUF BOLSCHEWISTISCHE PANZER- UND TRUPPENANSAMMLUNGEN
>>61582378SuckХУЙlook it up
>>61576672You don't have to like it, but this is peak strike craft performance
>>61576672Correct, but only if it's a ukrainian-operated one like in your pic.
>>61579584giga retard. The entire front line could fit within NY state. Or south vietnam. And it's not even nearly the largest conflict since WWII. That would be Vietnam, Korea, even the Gulf War if we just consider # of vehicles and materiel and not casualties (where they are more similar). To put it another way, there's a LOT of room for it to get worse for Russia
>>61579176>>61579258>>61579478>>61579748I know, I know, I understand, but why does it still hurt so much?
>>61576827The F16 and F15E can carry the exact armament, further faster and better, the A10 only works when you have total air dominance
New Bradley /k/ino dropped. Lighting up a treeline full of infantry at close range. https://x.com/ukrainenewslive/status/1788119097923809390?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQSomeone will Webm this and start a thread. Not me though
>>61584986The wars you mentioned weren't peer conflict
Can someone explain to me what these do better than a multi role fighter aircraft oh yeah right nothing so who fucking cares.
>>61585461And neither is this. It's the world's second strongest military against the poorest country per capita in the whole of Europe. Calling it a peer conflict is unfathomable levels of cope
I like Tornados
>>61585305but are those really "attack" aircraft?the F16 is multi-rolethe F15E is theoretically a bomber, or what is called "interdiction" or "strike" in Cold War terms>>61585314are you THIS desperate for attention, warriortard?
The A-4 Skyhawk mogs them all.
>>61576685https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBQNS5T80IE
>>61585514Payload, range, loiter time, cost. Same reasons why a crop duster actually makes a great CAS platform.
