>oh boy I sure do being an innocent civilian doing mushroom hunting in this here for-ACK
>>61577091>-ACKDie
>>61577108You won't die, only get maimed and lose a foot
>>61577091honestly those things scare me the most. Because you can drop them by the thousands like planting crops, no fucks given. They are tiny and weight close to nothing, I saw vids of forests full of them, scattered all over the place, probably artillery dropped cause this was in the begining of the war, in position occupied by ad-hoc home defense who inflicted casualties on russians with RPGs.
>>61577091Anyone have the video of one stuck on a hedgehog?
>>61577158War crime
>>61577143PTM-3 mines scare me more
mines like these are the easiest way to tell which countries are the good guys
>>61577207>both ukraine and russia have it>the US also had its own versiondumb argument
>>61577215Maybe anon was making a Netzche point
>>61577091ESL nigger
>>61577215You are proving his point.
>>61577215the ukrainians have them but haven't used them and the US got rid of itsthe US version also self-detonated after a while specifically to avoid UXO problems.
>>61577091the amount of money that will be poured into ukraine in demining when this shitfest ends makes me want to train for explosive removal.>picking mushrooms in an active warzone when you could be a rapefugee in europe
>>61577200>PTM-3Those at least have self-liquidators, and are much larger, easier to spot.
>>61577091Lack of self-liquidators on those makes them a vile weapon that will maim people and animals for years if not decades.(Yes I know russians claim to only use ones with liquidators, but we know they are liars and monsters)
>>61577091Why is mine clearing so slow?How can it become faster?
>>61577143soviets did the same shit in afghanistan, kids were still being maimed by them yearly when the yanks invaded lmao. americans actually had to clean it up during the occupation, and they did it FOR FREE
>>61577384>Why is mine clearing so slow?You have to be very very careful when handling explosives, especially explosives that are designed to explode when tampered. Also you need to be absolutely thorough when clearing them, lest someone get killed afterward and you need to re-sweep the area all over again.>How can it become faster?https://youtu.be/FYEpih1T4wI?si=aXLSAP2TYDE12mwl&t=149
>>61577384there are three points at which it can become fasterbetter detectionquicker disposal more resilient machinesukraine saw some innovation in using thermals to detect mines after sunset because they would be hotter than the surrounding earth. if you could do this with satellite imaging it could be really useful for detecting concentrations, and then drones could be used to actually map out each of those mine fields. that would be a LOT cheaper and quicker than more traditional methods. you could probably use ground penetrating radar too but thats pretty expensive.DE like microwaves and lasers might be usable to detonate UXO, it would be very quick and cheap in peacetime, compared to kinetic methods, because your machinery should never be damaged in this process, but the initial capital expenditure will be much higher. the US might invest a fair bit of money in helping ukraine with this post war as a way of developing their own mine clearance technology. clearing mines in a hot zone is obviously quite different to peace time
>>61577158my archives are incomplete>>61577143for sure a game of where's Waldo id looseeven worse most are not the Y model, so they do not deactivate over time.
>>61577453HE-Hognearly made me spit out my drink
>>61577282>the ukrainians have them but haven't used themLiterally sprayed all over streets of donetsk city lol
What is the reason we can't fill Starship 1 with billion of these little mines and scatter them all over russian farmland?
>>61577116Losing a foot will likely kill someone if they don't get a good medical response.
>>61577660No they dy-yn
>>61577736Starship never achieved stable orbit
>>61577809Starship never attempted to achieve a stable orbit
>>61577736Because Elon won't let you.
>>61577453Poor little fella, hope he'll be ok
>>61577143>Because you can drop them by the thousands like planting cropsIf they're sp sensitive how come they don't go kapowie when dropped?
>>61577858they managed to save the hog by using a stick to pry the mine away from its quills
>>61577947I will believe this version of the story and not research the issue any further.
>>61577143The trick is just to take a lot of prisoners, then force them to clear mined areas. If they refuse, starve, beat, and deny them sleep until they obey or die.
Legions of African rats will be trained postwar to find these
>>61577091How does the detonator on these work?
>>61577867There not sensitive at all, multiple people can walk on the same mine before it explodes, plus they aren't armed until they hit the ground.
>>61578338It's a two part explosive compound, separated by a crushable wall. Once it breaks it explodes.
>>61578345>There not sensitive at all,They're notoriously sensitive
>>61578358so you have to step on it? sliding it on something like a shovel and lifting it up is not going to set it off?
>>61578380The recommendation is a 3m stick of soft material like plastic that won't frag if it goes off
>>61578338Its fairly simple in that they're a spring like most detonators, but it has a staging when they're deployed that means they go into a sort of half-cock arming phase once released.After that, if the plastic housing gets deformed and it doesn't take much weight- it doesn't have the integrity to hold the spring back any further and it just 'pops' the spring free to hit the detonator.You can't disarm them or anything, just blew them up where they lay
>>61578338>The PFM-1 has a plastic body and is filled with approximately 37 grams of liquid High-Explosive (HE). >The fuze is hydraulic pressure operated and incorporates an arming delay.>The landmine is normally coloured green, Khaki brown or sand-brown. Puting pressure on thicker wing pushes liquid explosives into cylinder that pushes detonator towards spike, spike penetrating detonator ignites it.The landmine has a thin wing and a thicker wing with the thicker wing containing the liquid-explosive
>>61578380>so you have to step on it?Yes. Guaranteed force of action is 5kg (11lbs) but there are reports just holding thicker wing with fingers can set off mine.
>>61578058same
>>61577091Ack posters go back to /pol/
>>61578581so i could just grab it by the thinner wing and toss it in a safe direction?
>>61577736Because 1 billion of those would weight 75000 metric tons.
>>61578840It's liquid inside soft plastic anon, the act of throwing it could very easily apply pressure to the detonator because of inertia acting on the liquid.
>>61577867If I recall it takes up to 40 min to arm. They are so light free falling from sky doesn't damage them.
>>61577858He'll be fine. If anything, he's even less vulnerable to predators than before.
Can you throw rocks at them to trigger them? Just fly a bunch of gravel over these bad boys
>>61578840>>61578592>>61578345>>61578338Pressing on the wings works as a pump that moves two liquids closer together. There's a valve thing so it doesn't flow back. The total process takes 5kg total but that can be applied a bit at a time meaning it could only be a fart away from going bang if its been there a while.
>>61579412Yeah throw a rock at them.
>>61579448>>61579412https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVR22NhSICM
>>61579435And the plastic inside becomes brittle as shit over time making these happy little guys extra volatile
>>61577736Because Putin has Elon's piss tapes.
>>61577453У is not a model but "inert" marking, У = yчeбнaя = literally "study" or "practice" = inert/dummy
>>61577091>>61577143So what, its just a big chinese firecracker?Wouldnt wildlife trigger them by the hundreds?
>>61577091What's even the point of these other than killing children?
>>61579544Don't step on it.
>>61579559I'll step on your balls.
>>61579544None, its a spiteful, pyrrhic terror weapon for making land you cant take useless for anyone to use.
>>61579575>Another Russian influencer, Semyon Pegov, reportedly had his leg injured and was hospitalized as a result of these mines.
Serious Question:Are there any boots that could protect, as in at least you don't get your feet blow open, out there in market?
>>61579661You could buy sabatons which would keep your feet and toes connected when they get blasted, but it would still likely tear ligaments and tendons from the force alone.
>>61579661>PFM1: Charge: 37 g>F1: Filling weight 60 gI don't think so.
>>61579661There are anti mine boots that look like heavy standard boot. Such can save feet from amputation. Foot and leg would fractured in many places but fast casevac and good surgeon can save foot (victim would never run again though)."Spider" boot user would have light injuries.
>>61579628sucks to be him, I guess?
>>61579435>Pressing on the wings works as a pump that moves two liquids closer together.Two liquids is in the original american blu-44. Russian PFM-1 has single container with liquid explosive.
I just imaged putting some of those under toilet seats in Russian barracks, or under padding in chairs of russian recruitment offices.Ukrainians do have a lot of spies and sympatizers on the Russian side.Would be kino.
>>61578336The Gibs method of positive reinforcement trains rodents so well multiple generations inherit collective memory.
>>61578393Are you telling me there are currently job openings in Ukraine for demining work where you walk around with a plastic bonking stick wacking butterfly mines until they explode?
>>61578840It's possible. But I wouldn't risk that. At least use long stick with plastic shovel tied to the end (Soviet SOP).
>>61577091I genuinely don't understand how these things detonate. where is the trip mechanism of it? is it the bending of the wings? is it a shock sensor? at what point in the drop are they armed?
>>61579945Have you tried reading the thread?
>>61579992just got to that diagram/explanation. my bad. it just seems surprising to me that it would be that little pressure required and be reliable for preventing accidental detonation and such.
>>61579661You will need steel boots covered in rubber boots with high heels
>>61577453>hedgehogs have evolved to use ERAJESUS CHRIST NATURE, CHILL
>>61579945>at what point in the drop are they armed?About 60-600 seconds after safety pin removed. Depends on the ambient temperature, in the cold it takes longer. Safety pin removal releases arming pin, spring pushes it into armed position but pin cant move fast because it is blocked by cylinder filled with viscous liquid, liquid slowly moves into another chamber through micro hole this is why it takes time, and provides necessary delay for mine to land on teh ground after launch (ejection out of cargo conatainer).
>>61577453now that's what I call a Sonic Boom
>>61579661>Are there any boots that could protect, as in at least you don't get your feet blow open, out there in market?I think there's a few models of these around now.
>>61577736same reason the war is still going on, the pathetically ass kveching drip feed aid and vatnikstan has not been completely ousted: indecisiveness and cowardice. Literal unironic "escalation managers" are dictating policy>inb4 umm its 36d chess move chud!whatever makes you cope better on the other hand if western leadership were not so pathetically weak and directionless a old prison wise gangbanger like monke would not have attacked. Someone like Reagan and Thatcher leading us/uk would have cooled their jets before they got farther then their swamp drills. Which means roughly half of the vatnik union hardware depos would still exist and be available for future invasions so it aint all bad just there is going to be a bigger, vicious and miserable regional war when they attack baltics, poland and ukraine in the coming years
>>61579787you can listen yourself here from the horses mouth how they are doing ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuSJ12zK34
>>61579539wildlife is generally intelligent enough to not touch things that smell of man.
>>61580414Hedgehogs also wolf down cigarette butts because it gets them high as fuck
>>61580344anyone have the reversed version
>>61579411and to cars
>>61580344Extremely fucking redpilled fucking post. Fuck me I wish western ""leaders"" would grow some fucking balls and finally decide they've had enough of endless russian bullshit. 1930s all fucking over again.
>>61580369the bloke kind of resembles Totalbiscuit.>Ladies and gentlemen. I am here to ask one simple question. WTF is a PFM-1?
>>61579945>>61580056>The mine is stored with a safety pin securing the detonating piston - once the pin is removed, the piston is gradually displaced due to the pressure of the spring-loaded hydraulic ejector, following which it comes into contact with the actual detonator and arms the mine. This process takes between 1 and 40 minutes, allowing the mines to be properly deployed or dropped from the air during this time. >Deformation of the mine's polyethylene casing (due to, for example, being stepped on by a soldier) causes the piston to violently strike the detonator and cause immediate detonation.>Translated with DeepL.com (free version)very ingenious in its simplicity, desu.But than again, it's a copy of american design.
>>61580231>Islam et al.Truly experts in explosives
>>61580344>would still exist and be availableAnd rapidly becoming as irrelevant as a theoretical depot of M4 shermans in Arizona. Borderline useless equipment worth only it's scrap value, that by 2040 would be entirely useless.But they could have tried somewhere else, true, like khazakhstan.To the same result, almost certainly. Except with less effect on the world market, and causing a complete and permanent split between China and Russia.The west has bunged this shit so hard.
>>61581430>The west has bunged this shit so hard.They're not playing solitaire.There's no perfect plays in these things, you don't know what pressures or other plans are involved and there's also the question of what domestic politics even permits.When you have an opponent, the end result is never going to be exactly what you want.
>>61580166i want you dead
>>61577660>the russian cries out as he strikes you
>>61579758>toilet seats in Russian barracksi see a problem with that plan
>>61585312shit, you got me. that my Western dekadent mentality talking through me.
>>61580414>wildlife is generally intelligent enough to not touch things that smell of man.Speaking of intelligent wildlife...
>>61585878based birds
>>61577809yet
>>61577858Don’t worry he’s got a few rings
>>61585878They ought to train them to bring them to a collection point.You just need a big concrete bin for them to drop them in and a handler gives them a treat. Detonating the ones in the bin is easy though dropping them would detonate most of them that survive being picked up by the crow in the first place.I wonder if Crows are fucking with mines because a few killed other crows that investigated them and they identified mines as threats that need to be dropped onto hard surfaces from great heights for the sake of all Corvid-kind?
>>61585878Mein Gott
Mines are pretty fucked up by definition. My "favorite" is the spider of death from the JP233 which has the same British ingenuity that led to the fougasse (napalm landmine from 1940) or VX gas. >J-233 anti-runway dispenser pod >30x SG-357 runway cratering sub-munitions that are rocket boosted into the runway and explode. >215x HB-876 AP mines to slow down runway repair which are the real devilish part>they deploy via parachute and have these goofy spider legs to make them always deploy at the right orientation >they all have turn over switches so they explode if even slightly disturbed and the sides of the mine are crinkle cut steel to give an AP effect and kill anyone in a wide circle of the mine when disturbed>the spider legs are designed to make it tip over towards a bulldozer that pushes it and aim the main warhead roughly at the cab as it detonates>the main/top of the mine is a Misnay-Schardin effect platter with grapeshot sized balls of titanium strong enough to punch straight through the blade of a bulldozer and give the poor east german dozer operator a taste of what his ancestors experienced at Austerlitz>some of the mines are timer detonated at random intervals to keep EOD on their toesI think the only way to disarm it is to shoot/detonate every mine individually which would take days if not weeks which is a long ass time when you are fighting NATO. >>61577453výbušný ježek (Pozemní mina)
>>61580166
>>61579448This is pure comedy gold
>>61579628>semen pegger
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