For all my DIYers out there. This thread is for the sharing of>info >recommendations>load data>equipment>etc
billions must load
Anyone ever try resizing jacketed hollow points? I finally got some starline tok brass and need some good projectiles.
Redpill me on the Pro 1000, I heard people can churn out 300-400 rounds an hour on one of these.
Australian here, I've got about 150 empty 6.5x55mm cases that I want to turn back into functioning gun food, what's the cheapest/basic bitch handloading setup to get me started, and what's a good source of general knowledge for reloading?
>>61585366The most basic setup would be a Lee Loader and a rubber mallet. Normally that would cost under $50 but they haven't made them in that caliber in years so it all depends on your luck at finding one.>what's a good source for general knowledgeA handloading manual. All the big name brands are good--Hornady, Lee, Lyman, etc.
>>61585906What are you talking about? I can easily find 6.5×55 dies with a simple Google search. Lee Pacesetter, Hornady, and Lyman dies can be found on eBay for $60-30.
>>61586519>What are you talking about?Exactly what I said. The "Lee Loader" in 6.5x55. Not normal dies, the "Lee Loader" specifically. Part no 90271.
>>61585049It's doable with a lot of lube and no more than maybe .005"
>>61585136>>61585136I mean yea you can pump some handgun ammo out. I didn't like my pro1000 and went load master instead. That was a decade ago so I don't remember exactly what I didn't like. Lee has a new progressive out you should probably look into instead the pro 6000.In general Lee progressives work but require a lot of tinkering and finesse. If your good mechanically minded they are pretty easy to deal with, problem is most people aren't so lee gets shit on.
At what point does a neck need to look weird before I just trim my 38spl brass to 38lc proportions? On my 10th reload for a lot of my brass, and there are no cracks or stretching, but it's sure looking odd after close to a dozen crimps.
>>61586861Im an engineer who's built automation lines before, I'm not afraid of tolerances. I will look into the 6000 though thank you.
>>61583913Alright, 100gn 380ACP rounds in 38spl was a complete success. Somewhere around a 2" group at 25 yards from my shitty rest under the blazing sun. The rounds feel very light, but are coming out of a 4" barrel at an average of 850fps. Excellent and accurate plinking rounds.
>>61586687>>61585906I'll see what I can find, 6.5x55 is still a realitively available round in Aus so there's probably still kits in circulation.
>>61584461Please don’t, I can barely get ahold of primers as it is.
Precision reloading has Remington Large Rifle primers in stock fyi
>>61590826>$105>Before Tax, Shipping, and Hazmatnah, I'll just keep buying factory ammo till the insanity ends, if it ever does...
>>61585136I quite like mine. Get the autodrum powder dispenser. The autodisk is a pain in the ass. Get the bullet feeder too. Keep your eye on the powder level and make sure you constantly feed new bullets in. Got it for $100 when they liquidated the old style.
>>61586702Only needs to go down to .309"
>>61586702I hear your supposed to use case lube for jacketed bullets instead of bullet lube. Is that true?
>>61594192Makes sense, oil instead of wax for harder metals. I bet ballistol would work well.
.460 magnum, VECTAN BA 9 1/2, 230gr fmj.What best way to fill emty case space?
>>61594879What is the vectan powder similar to?
>>61594192NTA, but that makes logical sense. Bullet "lube" isn't a particularly good lubricant, it's main function is to keep black powder fouling soft so it's easier to clean the gun. It might work fine, I've never tried it, but I think sizing die wax would be the better choice.
>>61594942LBT lube isn't to lesten BP fouling, it's to keep the cast bullet traveling smoothly down the bore. If you push a cast bullet to hard or run out of lube before it exits, you can actually see the exact point where leading starts.
>>61594906Hodgdon International, IMR 700X and Vihtavuori N320
>>61594942>but I think sizing die wax would be the better choice.Is that a thing? I've never seen it.
>>61590807What the fuck are the Argentinians doing? The fucking Italians have started bringing in their primers in bulk again, but the Argentine ones just got shit off for some reason and haven't come back.
For a basic starting setup for rifle rounds, would the Lee Breech Lock Challenger Kit be suitable? It fits my budget and seems like a decent kit. Would I need a different kit for reloading 12ga?
>>61599903It'll get you started yes, you can buy better equipment as you need. 12ga requires it's own press/tools but generally isn't worth the trouble to reload.
>>61583913I have officially taken the semi-wadcutter pill, these 185's were spanking the steel at 100.Anyone else load .45acp with W231/HP38?(I have about 8lbs of it, that's why)Also, any of you guys have experience with Blue bullets?
>>61585049Easily done, and you don't need lube if they're jacketed bullets.
>>61599903The Lee Loader is suitable for basic starting setup for rifle rounds.
Is it worth it to reload .38/.357? I’m not sure what use case I would have for it, since it seems I’d be able to buy any kind of ammo (target, soft shooting, bubba’s pissin hot loads)
>>61585136They are a little finicky and really need to be a 4 station to be able to factory crimp...
>>61601380Yes, it's still 50% savings on every load.
>>61600617I've had good results with blue bullets and black bullets international. Anything using HiTek is fine but I would avoid really fast hot powders as they tend to burn a bit of the coating off. Blue bullets do make your fingers blue after a while...I have used a little HP-38 for 230gr 45 but ended up going with titegroup for some reason... I don't really remember much about it so it was probably just kind of mediocre and I needed a little more snap for the FNX with a can.
>>61601380Yes, fuck paying 50 cpr for bare fucking lead ammo that fouls my gun.
>>61601380>worth itIt's fun. .38 is a very versatile caliber to handload. Anything from very light plinking loads to diy shot shells or heavy loads, or target wadcutters. There's much enjoyment to the hobby of shooting that you miss out on if you think on money alone. That said I've never loaded a .38 that costed more or even same as it would if I bought ammo.
>>61601380Handloading shouldn't be done to save money, it's a pasttime and a way to develop a more intimate relationship with your firearms
>>61601923For a given amount of shooting, it does save quite a lot of money. 250 rounds of 357 in a range session would be absurd for even the cheapest factory ammo, but handloading it is more like 20cpr.
>>61601923I don't think thats the only reason. I'm not finding much .577 Snider or 40-60WCF online, so I think it's most important to branch out your possible firearms experiences. don't be scared of dead calibers, many cool guns exist and still need to go shooting.
I’m slowly talking myself into loading 45 acp due to having a ton of brass, a lot of unique, and about 800 200 grain .452 hardcast and 500 230 grain hollow point bullets from an estate sale.. am I better off getting the Lee 4 die set, or is the three die fine for 45 acp? Would I be better off getting a different brand? Most of the revolver stuff I’ve loaded so far I’ve been a lot more concerned with roll crimps… assuming that’s not as much an issue with 45 acp…
>>61605920Got another 500 of the round nose flat points as well… should add this 45 acp would be for general target shooting and fuckaroundery.. not loading for competition or serious use. Shooting out of a Springfield 1911.. also due to not paying attention to what I’m ordering on Amazon I have 10 of the 50 round 45acp plastic cases… which I think means I’m obligated to commit and fill them.
>>61605944>>61605122Pic relatedAlso how practical/impractical is it to load 45lc with these? Is it fairly interchangeable or no?
>>61605948You can load them in 45 Colt, lack of a cannelure isn't a problem.
>>61605966Everything I’ve loaded so far I’ve either crimped on a cannelure or crimped over the end, any tips/tricks/ what to watch for with a non cannelure crimp?
I have a dumb idea rattling around in my head: is it possible to neck a 9x19mm case down to accept .22 bullets, and theoretically how would it stack up against .22 Hornet
>>61604983The element most people neglect when saying that is time. Time is money. Reloading is VERY time consuming.
>>61606658A lot of us have the kind of time that isn’t money. I’d rather putter around reloading listening to music than veg out in front of the tv.. yes if you want to be extreme about it I could instead work more, but reloading is relaxing unlike work….
>>61606658Time isn't money during non-productive hours.
>>61605948if they are for .452" I don't see why not. just use a powder charge for a similar bullet weight, then reduce the charge slightly.
>>61606531you mean 22TCM? it's a bit longer case than 9mm, but it's COAL is the same as 9mm. I guess it depends on precisely what you want from the cartridge.
>>61606658>Time is moneyno it's not. doing something you enjoy and find engaging is not an expense of money. stfu with you moneymaxxing bullshit.
>>61607441What colour did you say your Bugatti was?
>>61607469You can't even own guns you stupid euro.
>>61607469I'm married and will be having a kid next year. my "Bugatti" is family colored.
>>61607432Isn't .22 TCM based on .223 brass?In any case I suppose the goal would be a cheap plinking and varmint round that is ateast as good as .22 WMR but feeds in any 9mm action.
Expect to not see Alliant powders for the next several years, their production will be entirely focused on military purposes. No civilian cannister powders will be made available.
>>61607514yeah, but 22TCM conversions are just barrel swaps for 9mm guns. 5.56 and 9mm use identical (or close enough it doesn't matter) case heads.
>>61605920I have the Lee 4 die set for 45acp, I would recommend getting it. It's not a lot more of an investment compared to the 3 piece and it is nice to have. I use the minimal amount of crimp needed, but there are some bullets I have used that won't gauge or plunk properly without using the crimp die.
>>61608025You can get minimal or no amount of crimp using the Lee seating/crimp combo die. I always just put an already made bullet of the size and length I want (if the die isn't already set up for the exact load I'm making) and screw the die on till I feel the crimp shoulder. I'll either back it off or screw it in more depending on what I want. I like a very small amount of crimp on my 38 special loads, an aggressive crimp on my 380 loads, and no crimp at all my 45ACP loads. I can do all that with one die, and I find that more convenient, especially with a single stage.
Just a question. Im abiut to get a revolver S&W x460.If id change the bullet from lead to aluminium, wouldnt i get a stupid high fps count at close range? Or speaks anything against AL rounds.
>>61608735Aluminium is too hard.Copper and brass projectiles are already substantially less dense than lead. Use those to make light bullets.
>>61608746Thanks, but you didnt answer my question.
>>61608776Bullet weight, material, and the amount of case capacity it displaces will determine a lot of how fast it can be pushed.Use these, 135gr Lehigh XD. How fast you could push these is pure speculation on my part, but from a long 460XVR I would think 3000fps would be achievable with an appropriate powder. This means developing your own data though and given your question I suspect you would not be able to do that safely.
>>61608821Pic
>>61608821Thanks.
>>61608735Which 460 are you looking at?
Does anyone know how small rifle primers in pistol rounds work in striker fired pistols? It seems the hammer fired semi-auto, revolver, and magnum guys all swear by them in their loads, but I'm not sure if the harder cup would lead to inconsistent detonation in my striker fired guns (S&W M&P and PSA Micro Dagger). >Why am I asking this? I'm running low on small primers (below 1000), and the local big box has 1000 small rifle primers for $65 and $80 for 1000 small rifle primers even though they're both Remington primers. I'd like to save the $15 and the couple 0.2-0.1gn of powder per round using them for my loads.
>>61609148Fun fact: CCI magnum pistol primers are the same up hardness, same compound as their regular small rifle primers. The magnum small rifles are harder though.
>>61609194Yeah, but these are Remingtons
>>61609148>$80 for 1000 small rifle primers*$80 for small pistol primers My bad, the extra $15 is why I'm considering getting the small rifle primers.
>>61608833Do memehigh deefense rounds actually do what they say? I've thought about getting some.
>>61610216They are pretty impressive when pushed to higher velocities than intended.They do work, but they need velocity.
Anyone know how the Berry's HHP compare to Hornady XTP? I want to shoot my carry ammo more, and I could do that with cheaper projectiles. They need to be good though.
>>61611652Berry's are dogshit. XTPs are great if you push them to high velocities. My carry load is a 124gr XTP loaded to essentially +p+ pressures. About 1300 fps from a Beretta M9 on a hot day. I have no doubt it will do what it needs to do on impact. And cheap as fuck to load up hundreds of rounds rather than paying $1.50 a round for premium factory JHPs.
>>61611689That's really fast. How fast do XTPs need to be pushed to get reliable expansion?
>>61614024xtps are pretty soft, impact around 1000fps is plenty and I'm sure they expand below that.
>>61614044What about 850-800fps? My dailies are a LCP or a Charter Arms Off-Duty. I can push my hotter 380 ACP loads to about 800fps with it's 2 ¾" barrel, and 825-850fps out of my charter arms 2" barrel well still staying within standard 38spl pressures.
>>61614109The 380 bullets have even thinner jackets than 9mm. All of these bullets are often cartridge specific in terms of oal and toughness of construction. For example, you could load the .355 bullets meant for 380 into a 357 mag and push them really hard, but the jacket might get torn to shreds in the bore. They'd frag impressively though.>inb4 some genius thinks 357 Mag's bore dimensions aren't just 9mm with .346 lands and .355 grooves
>>61614249This is the reason I’m ok with experimenting with 45 acp bullets in 45 LC, but I’m ordering gas checked hardcast bullets for 454 casull..
So with unique, it’s pretty dirty and I get a lot of unburnt powder and weirdness in 45Lc which I think is partially because all the powder spreads out in the bottom of the case, would it be practical or advisable to put something like a rice paper disk, then some kind of packing in to keep the unique in place in the bottom of the round? Or is this not worth the trouble?
>>61615162Unique simply does not burn clean at the pressures of 45LC. Need to basically double the pressure for it to be efficient.
>>61615208So ironically it would probably be pretty decent for 454
>>61615218Other than the fast burn rate. The big magnums like slower powders.I've found it best in the 9-10mm range.It works well, if dirty, in the .38 S&W 200 grain loads simply because of the tiny volume invovled.
>>61615218Like this anon said >>61615234, you want slow burning pistol powders for magnum loads, maybe even a really fast rifle powder. I find Winchester Autocomp and Longshot to be the best powders to stock for anything from hot Magnum 357 Mag and 32 Mag loads, to my basic plinking 45ACP loads. I've also seen a lot of places have Accurate TCM (powder designed for 22TCM) on sale for under $35/lb at a lot of places. It has some great load data for 45 Colt and is an even slower burning powder than both Autocomp and longshot.
>>61615234I’m practicing on 45 first but with 454 I wanna try some faster powders eventually since I’m shooting them out of a snubnosed Alaskan.. but until I get a chronograph is just guesswork on what works.
>>61615631I’ll check them out, I want to start loading 45 acp here eventually but I don’t think my 1911 would like the gunk from unique very much.. I got started reloading with a bunch of components and gear from an estate sale, it included 4 pounds of unique so I’ve used mostly that so far..
Shiny brass respecters in this thread, what do you use to clean your brass back to a factory finish? Is it better to get a vibratory cleaner, or just get a rock tumbler?
>>61600617How do SWC feed in your 1911?
>>61583913source for cheapest FMJ plinking pistol bullets? the best i can find is rocky mountain or zero bulelts is there anything better/cheaper?
>>61617334Rifle or pistol and what caliber?
>>61600617yes i put 5.5gr hp38 on 185 lwsc for plinking
>>61617341sorry pistol. primarily looking for 45acp 40sw 357 and 9mm projectiles. ive gotten a few of the hitek coated stuff but was hoping to just get fmj but aemrican reloading never seems to get 45acp or 40 cal
>>61617365Just use copper coated bullets like the rest of us. You can buy them everywhere for cheap and they perform the same as FMJ for plinking purposes.
>>61616396I lead tested around my vibrator and it wasn't good. Switched over to fart lite immediately. Now it's the city water department's problem.
>>61614249>>inb4 some genius thinks 357 Mag's bore dimensions aren't just 9mm with .346 lands and .355 groovesWasn't gonna say anything, but since you brought it up...Ackschually, even though the bore and groove diameters are the same, .357 specs a larger bullet diameter because the throat is larger than the groove diameter -- the bullet is intended to be a close fit in the throat, then swage down as it passes through the forcing cone.But of course, tolerances are a thing and jacketed bullets are very forgiving; if you're already measuring your throats to know what diameter is just perfect, you're probably casting and sizing them accordingly anyway, and if you aren't measuring then there's little reason to assume 0.357" vs. 0.355" will actually make a meaningful difference in your particular revolver. So you're basically right, which is why I wasn't going to say anything.
Does anyone know how shooter's world ultimate pistol is?
>>61617330No problems with 185 or 200 swc at all. I load them at 1.25 OAL and they have fed in every pistol I have tried including my compact 1911 and USP but 99% of the time I am shooting the gov't model so that's what I load for.>>61617357Okay that's about what I have been working with, 5.5-6.0 but I haven't loaded a lot of them yet. 6.0 was 930fps if I remember correctly.
>>61620639>1.25 OALA little long isn't it? Every book I have says 45ACP Wadcutters Should be loaded to a length 1 ⅛"
>>61617586It's more like even accepting the .003" difference in the throats causing a loss of gasses around the bullet, a lightweight 380 bullet will still be way faster than it should ever be. May even stabalize if it holds together.
>>61621809>May even stabalize if it holds together.Need to be extremely careful with loads for 380 bullets in 9mm and 38/357 loads. I got a bunch of 90gn 380 bullets for cheap and loaded them in 38spl loads. Light loads in my Model 19 produced nice results. 3" groups at 25yds and feels like a 22lr, great for steel shooting at the club. However, attempts to push them even slightly lead to complete fragmentation or severe tumbling. In 9mm they needed to be loaded light and long to ensure proper feeding.
>>61621782It's what works 100% in my pistols, so I haven't changed it. They'd work fine seated deeper but I just have no need to.
>>61622312Just wonder if the slightly higher pressures from a deeper seated bullet would give you better velocity and accuracy.
>>61607643When was this announced, and what Alliant powders are worth getting? I only use Hodgdon, Winchester, and the occasional shooters world powder.
>>61608735As others have said, Aluminum won't work, but there were some interesting experiments using zinc bullets. Due to lead wheel weights and zinc one replacing them, some YouTubers (I think ElvisAmmo) were experimenting with zinc bullets. Zinc is soft enough and melts at a low enough temperature to cast. The problem is the weight.
Making some plinking ammo for a friend. Does anyone else reload for close friends and family? I've done more reloading for others than I have for myself. I make a little money doing it technically, but it's just to be nice.
>>61594879Do like the bp guys do and top the case off with corn starch. Alternately, get a powder that better fills the case.
>>61608735The 460 cartridge is a known forcing cone burner as is. The smaller and faster bullets are worse for it than larger, slower ones.To your question: solid copper bullets exist, so maybe try those first.
>>61626599I considered selling handloads at gun shows if I ever got a progressive press. 10-20 dollars profit for 5-6 minutes of work seems worth it if I can sell what I make.
>>61611652>>61614024>>61614044>>61614044>>61614109Berry 147s 0.356 are incredible expanders. I found a gel test video I'll have to look for between them and XTP and for standard velocity bulk jhp I do the berry. I also use it sometimes to make 38 special. The berry do the newer petal out expansion to ~0.8" while xtp do the old mushrooming to like 0.55". Both have good penetration. The 124 berry are dog shit though.Not sure if I trust the berry on barriers though like I would an xtp. They'd probably break up. Also the XTP handle high speeds really well.>>61611689I love people who like to push 9mm and and the load sounds like peak standard length 9mm specifications. I've loaded it to major at 1460 fps in a g34 carry but settled on a 357sig projectile, the 125 vcrown, at 1440 fps after gel testing both. Its pretty neat being having a 17 to 22 round 4" barrel 357 mag equivalent expanding better than a gold dot yet the g34 is still smaller overall. If you haven't already, try the vihtouri powders even in the standard length 9mm loads. It's expensive but the increases in speed aren't marketing, you can likely get an extra 75 fps without pressure signs. On that note, 9mm is the only cartridge I've seen vihtouri really shine though.
>>61623745>>61607643This makes me mad not because it won't be stocked but because of what their powders are and that the military might be using them becuse "lol they go fast". They have the best speeds Ive gotten of all the powders and when I first got into long range I used them before the craze until I realized they have atrocious temperature stability in hot climates. If I hadn't shot for a few weeks I'd get a low ES but be shooting +/-50 fps differently. I refuse to use them in a state that goes from -10 deg to 115 deg.
>>61626882just FYI, commercial ammo manufacturing takes an FFL and the fags at the ATF have been harassing people over small/home FFL stuff.
>>61627144Damn, didn't know.
>>61627075>Berry 147s 0.356 are incredible expanders.I'm just going to order some and see where they hit. If they're accurate, I'll assume they'll do their job in a target. If they're not, I'll get XTPs. If even those don't work, I'll continue carrying my wadcutter loads I keep in my snubby. I'll just get XTPs for my 380.
>>61627144That sucks, I remember scores of boomers selling handloads at older gunshows.
>>61629893>boomers selling handloadsWho the fuck would buy boomer handloads? Even if it's cheaper and it was post-Sandy Hook or Covid era sacristy, I still wouldn't be desperate enough.
>>61629910I wouldn't, but I figured handloads made by a bored engineer who can dress presentably and offer more than just a ziploc with sharpie could give me an edge and move product should I consider making my hobby into a side hustle. No wonder they got away with it for so long, they barely sold anything.
>>61629932>offer more than just a ziploc with sharpieAt that point your prices wouldn't be anything far below enough factory ammo to interest customers.
Realistically I won’t have the gun for this back till mid June/early July.. but this is still wildly exciting….
>>61631740Using those for hunting elephants?
>>61633393Would be a shit choice.
>>61633402>nigga can't take a jokeMany such cases
>>61633393I wanna see if I can turn squirrels inside out. Really I just happened to find an actual in person box at a gun store and the price was right compared to buying them with shipping… not exactly a lot of 500 mag options locally. I mostly shoot steel, although last time I was out we flipped a 6 inch plate that was hanging from about a foot and a half of chain around a crossbar it was hanging from…. Wasn’t a lazy flip either, full extension in the chain the whole way around….
>>61633393On a side note I was in a rental range in northern Arizona and mentioned I was thinking about getting a 10mm and the boomer behind the counter unironically replied with “aren’t any elephants around these parts”.. all I could say was I just like the big kaboom…
>>61585049Yeah you'll be good to knock 3 or 4 thou off that with a touch of lanolin. The cheapo Lee resizer dies work good.It's a smart idea to run projos for particularly spicy loads through one anyway, just to be sure.
>>61633630He's doing the deadpan thing anon. There's nothing in Arizona that warrants 10mm, so he's ripping the piss because you just think it's cool. The correct move would have been to say something along the lines of not wanting the overkill of .45 ACP.
>>6163376810 mm is warranted by virtue of being cool.
>>61633782Yes and boomers think .45 is cool. That's why it works when you pick it up and run with it, instead of being a sheepish sanic autist.
I can't find a quick trim die for Carcano 6.5. Can I use any quick trim die (for example, 223) and adjust it with the screw to make it the size I need ?Or perhaps a quick trim from a caliber similar to the 6.5x52, which has a case length of 52.50 mm (2.067 in), could be used
>>61633768>There's nothing in Arizona that warrants 10mmThere's an invasive species taking over the state that makes me disagree
>>61635751Beaners need .38 super, tops.
>>61637216.38 special has historically worked as well
I’ve read that loading for a comp’d semi auto handgun can be a hassle. Can someone with more experience tell me if I’ll have a “flatter shooting gun” by loading light loads with no comp or high pressure loads with a comp?
>>61637216>Beaners need .38 superNo, they shoot 38 super. That's all they can get easily, classic cartel gun.
>>61639447Not true, the cartels can get hold of whatever they want. .38 super has more than adequate penetration for the average taco goblin's rotund physique and larger calibres will just spoil the meat.
>>61639247>if I’ll have a “flatter shooting gun”Most pistol competitions aren't going to have you shooting past 25yds, so you won't have to worry about drop or anything. If you're shooting to 50yds, it probably isn't a time based competition. There are a couple things you can do to get lighten up some loads. Obviously, just take down the charge in 0.2gn increments till it stops running smoothly or accurately, and go for the charge above that. Also, (if you can get them to feed reliably), a lot of people have used 100gn or 90gn Hollow Base (gives the projectiles a little more length for seating properly) 380ACP bullets in their 9mm comp loads. All those would give you a very light 9mm for steel shooting to 2-gun.
>>61639247Well, sufficiently gassy loads will actually drive your barrel downwards, so there's literally no way to exceed a comp by loading light. Whether that's worth the additional recoil or the hassle of trying to make a brake/comp work to offset the recoil is up to you. Generally if you want to shoot full power loads you want the comp, if you're punching paper load mouse farts or just shoot .22 instead.>>61639510That's "comp" as in compensator not competition and "flat" as in less muzzle rise not long point-blank range.
>>61639549>That's "comp" as in compensator not competitionOh... Well, nevermind. I mean the points still stand, but not for your thing. Are you using a compensator for competition, at least?
Is there really a point to crimping non-LRN bullets? After looking at all my factory ammo (which lacks any crimp), I decided to forgo the crimp on some loads. The bullet was obviously still snug and not going anywhere. I decided to pit them against some very lightly crimped loads, and there was a slight accuracy improvement in the non-crimped loads.
>>61639797If you're shooting them in a manual action go for it. Wouldn't trust it in a self loader.
>>61639915None of my 45ACP, 9mm, 380ACP, or 32ACP appears to be crimped. I did it in 9mm loads and didn't have any issues.
>>61639797Taper crimping semi auto rounds is just to iron out case mouth flare to make sure it chambers. Revolver loads need a crimp to prevent bullet jump or setback.
>>61640730All commercial loads are lightly crimped. It's not a visible roll crimp, but it's enough to resist transport and limited setback. Your seating die should be applying a light taper crimp, if it's not you're going to have problems. Skipping a crimp is a fire formed rifle brass thing, not a shitting out pistol rounds thing.
Well, I finally had my first squib round. No idea what happened, as I know it was properly loaded and there was even a little fizzle from the powder burning when I shot it. It just barely made it out of the barrel, it was almost popping out. Luckily, I caught it before I tried the next shot. Got it out with an old oak dowel and a hammer with duct tape on it in-case I hit the gun.
>>61641294New case? If not you probably had some shite in the flash hole.
>>61639797I give all of my cases a light crimp just to the point where the case rim isn't that noticeable when I run the bullet under my thumb. Otherwise some rounds don't easily feed into my cylinders and I have concerns about jamming my levergun.
>>61639510Thanks for the reply. However see >>>61639549 for what I meant; compensated and less muzzle rise>>61639549Appreciate the advice. What exactly did you mean by>exceed the comp?
>>61639557My plan is to spend 6mo toying with 9mm handloading and playing with springs/dots/accessories and once I feel comfortable with my setup and base level training I want to shoot the occasional match. I’ve been shooting for years but never trained for a competition so I’m sort of trying to start at square one.
Let's say I have a cheap source of lead and an interest in casting my own bullets, what kind of rifle cartridge would be ideal for learning reloading and messing around with my own bullets? Something that's cheap to run and available in either bolt or lever action, good for plinking, maybe hunting small game. I was thinking .357 Magnum, maybe?
>>61641294Not enough crimpOil or case lube in caseObstructed flash holeThose are common squib causes.
>>61642566Yea 357 44 45 or 30-30 sounds like you got it figured out. You can only drive lead so hard before you need gas checks to prevent leading. Powder coating can be used instead of traditional lube, that's what I do.
>>61641805>New caseOld case on it's 3rd or 4th reload, but I always deprime before cleaning. I didn't see anything in any of my casings before they were primed. >>61642584>Not enough crimpThis is the only explanation that makes sense, but I feel like this one was over crimped if anything. You can see a line in the bullet from where it was crimped. >Oil or case lube in caseI have a carbide die set. I don't use case lube or anything.
>>61643330I still think you messed up somewhere. Almost impossible to prove it was bad powder or something if the other loads workm
>>61642584Crimp isn't ever going to be the difference between squib and no squib. It has a very neglible effect on pressure and doesn't actually do much to retain the bullet under recoil unless you're using a Lee factory crimp.Neck tension is what holds the bullet.
>>61643330>before cleaningCleaning is where said shite usually gets into your flash hole m8. It's either that or you just threw a light charge.
>>61643785Does the Lee factory crimp die hold more tension on the bullet for something like the taper crimp on 9mm? I thought the tension was all from seating the bullet in a sized case and the FCD just essentially removed the bell from the neck.
>>61644855The factory crimp die has a collet that squeezes the case mouth when the shell holder makes contact with the bottom.It can be crimped to the point where the collet deforms the bullet, pushing the brass into the bullet.Buffalo bore does it to their hard cast boolits for example. It's not a recommendation because I think the result is kind of ugly and the brass life is shortened substantially.
>>61609148I mean, at the very worse you can test them and if they don't work great with your pistol loads you can save them for 556 range loads later.
>>61616396I use the FART and while it's starting to get tiresome, I still enjoy brass prep day after shooting through all my ammo. I use Dawn dish soap, granulated citric acid (or lemishine if a local store carries them, I have a bunch of bulk citric acid so it just werks). I use the steel pins. If I'm trying to keep them as perfectly shiny as possible for ego's sake, I'll do two washes. A first wash with dawn and citric and no steel pins, then I do a quick lanolin spray and resize/decap, then a short wash after with less soap and same citric acid and steel pins. Then drying them ASAP after getting them out of the water. I use gloves and do a tap inspection on each case to make sure the pins are out and look thru the primer pocket to make sure they're not blocked. Then if I have a ton of brass to do I'll throw a couple paper towels loosely bunched up onto a baking pan with a towel on the bottom and a cookie rack over that, then run the oven with the door cracked (no convection oven) and let them cook for a cuppa hours. Will shake the tray every so often to ensure remaining droplets are moved around. It's way overkill and most of what I do is unnecessary, but I prefer a shiny case and this way I don't leave any lube on them after resizing (chamber pressure can spike!)
>>61639447Who's hunting with .38 super? It's a way to get around the arbitrary 9mm government ban.
>>61642447Not trying to be a cunt, but you would honestly be better served just learning how to shoot a stock gun with the most generic bulk 9mm load possible. Get really good at hammered pairs, work on your draw and your grip indexing, don't overstress your gear and learn how to shoot very competently with 'suboptimal' gear. Then go shoot matches as often as you can afford. You will never be able to buy or tune your way into succeeding at competitive shooting. Watch Ben Stoeger and similar shooter's videos. You really, really will have a bad time if you try and have a better gun than your fundamentals can actually utilize.
>>61640772Crimping is wildly unnecessary for semi auto loads unless you have a defective resizing die. If your mandrel is flaring your cases too much, you're doing something wrong. If your load isn't chambering, you need to fix your resizing set up. Or your case necks are stretching and the crimping is artificially allowing you to chamber on a round that wouldn't otherwise. Also, crimping affects muzzle velocity more inconsistently than setting neck tension with typical bullet seating.
>>61585049Lee bullet size kits are really hard to beat.
>>61633919FA universal trimming die is what I use almost exclusively now. Especially for preww1 semi-smokeless cases and the mannlicher post 1900 cartridges. Just have to chamfer by hand, it sucks but some quick trim dies arn't available for cool cartridges.
>>61645477Lee anythings are hard to beat
>>61645325Seems like good advice; I’ll follow it. Ty anon. Will start will my stock g47 + dot and shoot several thousand before I start playing around with other BS.
My RMR 75gr reloads out of various barrel lengths.
>>61646182You've got to have some very specific requirements to not just get Lee and call it good. Even then you get Lee and see if it works before trying anything else. If you don't, you're just being a prancing foo foo nancy boy who doesn't like mismatched colours.
>>61646533what powder and charge weights? best loads ive gotten so far with my suppressed 18 inch was 26.2gr of cfe223 avg 2858 fpses 14SD 5.6also this was done back in february so id like to think itll go up like 25 or so fps now
>>61644855Anon as this guy says >>61645017He’s spot on. I actually have some Buffalo bore 454 laying around.. hardcast is Buffalo bore, the hollow point is underwood. Big difference in crimp but both are clearly crimped. The picture explains it well
>>61647513Also this is a 357 magnum, factory target ammo from new republic.. they crimp over the end of the bullet since this didn’t have a connalure.. it’s easier to see with the calipers acting as a straight edge reference.
>>6164736123.6gr H335
>>61646792I like their 45lc die set.. but I’m not a fan of the shell holder.. replaced that with an RCBS one.. less wobble
>>61645362There's no reason to keep the case mouth flared, setting up a seating die to remove it without crimping down on the bullet is easy and will ensure reliable chambering when using mixed brass and different chambers.
>>61646533How'd they group? I tried them on one occasion and was pretty impressed, gonna try some more this weekend with a new bolt gun build.
alright, I gotta figure out a way to make subsonic 44mag cycle a desert eagle. is 300 gr as heavy as I can expect to find for .429/.430?
>>61647662Best I can do is 2moa on tripod, but I'm fairly sure that is just me
>>61647737Try a stick powder like Varget, Reloader 15, N140. Ball powders have always grouped a bit worse for me although they do throw from a hopper way better.
>>61647692I don’t know about 44 magnum, but theirs a Kentucky ballistics video with a suppressed desert eagle in 50 AE.. if you listen through the theatrics it sounds like they used a 400 grain round to keep it subsonic but have enough gas pressure to reliably cycle..
>>61647737same here but im hoping with slight tweaks i can shrink the groups down>>61647799well damn i have like 6.5 pounds left of cfe223, hopefully tweaking the load .1 or 2 grains or tweaking the seating depth will help
>>61647692Lee sells a 310gn .429" mold, but my book has load data up to 355gn bullets for 44 Mag. They must available somewhere if you look hard enough.
>>61648079>>61647692See pic >>61594961The bullet on the right is 360gr, but the bullet is .977" OAL and COAL of 1.780".Seating that to 1.600" COAL, which may not even feed in a Desert Eagle due to profile, would leave just under half the case capacity. Heavy bullets are designed with particular revolvers in mind.
>>61647692Going .430 will help keep the pressure up in itself, as will a jacketed bullet. You're looking at bullets designed for .444 Marlin here, I personally would just have a custom mould made and be done with it. They're not even that expensive.
>>61647692I know deagles don’t like hardcast, but how do they do with powder coated hardcast? Looks like theirs a 405 gn hardcast round for the 444 marlin that you might be able to find a mold for and powder coat…
>>61648393>how do they do with powder coated hardcastIf the issue is purely leading, that's all powder coating would solve. If it's something like the Glock polygonal rifling causing extra pressure with hard cast bullets, powder coating won't help.
>>61648661>something like the Glock polygonal rifling causing extra pressure with hard cast bulletsYou mean utterly fabricated bullshit?
>>61648675Yeah, could be the supposed "problem" with Deagles and hard casts. I'm not saying it's real, just asking a question.
>>61648709The problem with deagles and lead is clogging the gas port. Not an issue with proper jacketed bullets.
>>61648738I would send a few and actually have a look at it. Most of these "problems" come down to companies being aware that a lot of their guns are bought by people who have to be told to breathe, never mind clean their guns.
>>61648823Or just assume that it suffers from a problem known to occur with every gas operated semi firing lead bullets.Leading, poor bore fit, and gas cutting of the base all lead to lead fouling of the gas port.
>>61648852And you think this an immediately catastrophic problem in a range toy why?
>>61648870I don’t own a deagle, but as far as I’ve understood it it’s apparently practically impossible to clean the gas port if it clogs.. so I guess their is that. Again, I don’t own one so I may be wrong.. I’m used to revolvers, which are pretty easy provided no microscopic spring launches itself at Mach Jesus across your room when you open it up…
>>61648999Lead is very easy to remove. You can literally dissolve it with household chemicals.
>>61649019>Lead is very easy to removeTell that to Boomer's blood
>>61649237That's decades of inhaling leaded gasoline and eating paint chips. Lead exposure from firearms is usually low enough that as long as you have break periods and use lead removal wipes/soap after range trips your lead levels will return to roughly baseline. Also buy nitrile gloves and wear them when handling used brass and reloading components and if you really want to be extra careful wear a 3M mask around your bullet cleaning process.
>>61648334I wanted to see if anyone knew of a big jacketed bullet I was just missing, and also what is discussed:>>61648393>>61648738because, if I remember correctly the manual specifically says only jacketed bullets, and the gas system on it is long and tortuous.
>>61643785You must not load much big bore, that's ok we still love you.
>>61650118You're bad at critical thinking and have imbibed some fuddlore somewhere, it's terminal.Crimping doesn't make a difference in pressure. At best it may stop set back in a levergun, but in my experience with actually heavy loads, it doesn't prevent pull out under heavy recoil at all.Neck tension holds bullets, the little crimp you put on the case neck isn't going to hold the bullet for even an extra millisecond under firing. There are no articles on the effects if crimping upon pressure, consider why that might be. Hint: It doesn't matter.
>>61650246I have observed the effect in .45-70 with 4198 and 350gr berry's. no crimp leads to squibs, heavy crimp leads to normal performance.
>>61650257Have you considered just running a faster powder than trying to download 4198?
>>61650733have you considered the fact you were wrong about crimps influencing ignition?
>>61650743Crimping doesn't make a meaningful difference, I can't disprove your anecdotal experience. Not my fault you're shit at reloading, which is tough to do really.
>>61650257>>61650733>>61650743>>61651322geez, get a room.
>>61647533yeah what you said
>>61646792They're cheap and work. Luv me Lee, simple as.
>>61650246crimping absolutely affects pressure you retard.
>>61654526You'll find no mention in any manual about it you fucktard. Neglible effect if any, you are talking about the smallest amount of brass being rolled or even crushed into a cannelure. The primer by itself will push a bullet into the lands, crimping does fuck all except maybe keep the bullet better under recoil.Neck tension holds the bullet, not a crimp.
>>61654556I have personally seen a +50fps difference in loads that were crimped vs those that were not. IT absolutely increases pressure. The same reloading manuals that don't fucking differentiate between seating depth and case fill % are the ones that don't actually measure meaningful differences in velocity from things like crimping. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
It stings less knowing these are going in 454 casull and even at 10 cps for primers that’s still a whole lot cheaper than buying it loaded…. Waiting for my xtp mag bullets to come in now…
>>61651322you are wrong. crimping has a documented and verifiable effect on performance. You being too stupid to conceptualize why it would be, that's not my problem.
>>61654719>>61654582>>61654556i notice personally when i dont crimp my 45acp loads with win231 i get a lot of unburnt powder flakes everywhere but when i crimp with a medium taper crimp there is only soot left in the case so its definteily affecting powder burn which would in turn affect pressure it makes perfect sense when you think about it beacuse crimping holds the bullet in harder and allows for all the powder to burn up in the tiny confined space to make the expxlosion but if the bullet jumps the case easier the volume of space is bigger which means less pressure and more chance of incomplete ignition of all the powder
>>6165458250fps can easily be the extreme spread for the same shitty load. Meaningless anecdote.Post the article documenting the pressure increase related to crimping where they had a piezo pressure rig to test it. It doesn't exist.
>>61654678Where'd you even find small mag rifle primers? Also, is it really that necessary to use those? I use CCI small rifle in everything from my 380 to 44 Mag loads without issue.
>>61654852I’m loading 454 casull.. admittedly I’m new to this but it’s what’s specked for it.. If you happen to be in northern Arizona around Prescott check out bills trading post. It’s a fantastic gun shop. Be aware though I’m pretty sure bill runs it just to keep busy… it’s cash only, also he doesn’t tolerate swearing and I’ve literally watched him throw someone out mid sale because of it. He gives no “ducks” and doesnt care if you don’t like it. All that aside, he has some of the best prices around and some of the weirdest stuff around as well.. set some time aside though, he moves at his pace and you can just deal with it. To his credit he puts a 10% markup on ammo from what he pays and apparently that’s been his policy, unchanged, since around the mid 60’s. When I called to ask if they had SRM primers he apologized that they were 95$ and when I said that’s a great deal with no hazmat shipping he told me that when he started selling them they were somewhere around 5$ a brick….
>>61654971I should also add that bills is the only brick and mortar gun store I’ve ever been in with more than 5 types of 454 casull in stock with more than 10 boxes of each…
>>61654971Well, sadly I'm in Elko, NV (a little too far to go to Big Bill's). I know people that load 500 S&W that use standard Large Pistol and Rifle primers, no magnums. Might save you some money in the long run to try some standard rifle primers in your loads.
I'm going to let /hlg/ decide my next set of dies. With memorial Day sales fast approaching, I will soon be ordering more stuff. Should I get a 380ACP dies set, or a 223 reloading die set? I don't shoot my pocket pistol very much due to ammo costs, but I also want to reload heavier 223 that normally costs near $1/round.
>>61655138Unironically I have the opposite problem… I’ve got a 45 acp die set showing up Monday and about 3k in saved 45 acp brass… with about 1600 bullets…. I got extremely lucky with an estate sale which got me a great supply of primers and the gear to reload.. but I actually don’t have a ton of large pistol or small pistol primers…. The 4k of large rifle magnum primers I’m saving exclusively for reloading 500 magnum and 500 bushwacker… if I use all 4k of them up I’m reasonably sure my wrist will be too broken to continue on…On the fun side of things, since I got my reloading gear a month or so ago I’ve loaded about 2900 rounds, started with 38 special, then 357, then 45LC. Gonna get my 45 acp sorted out, then move to my 454 casull and eventually 500 magnum/bushwacker (guns being converted and isn’t due back till mid June/early July anyway).
>>61655217The clear answer is to get both then load enough that you’ve theoretically saved the cost of the die sets…. Honestly it’s too expensive to not get both
>>61654820not him but regardless of what you think happens why wouldnt this test exist? it seems like the exact type of test that someone would want to perform to see whether or not it makes a difference. im sure out of all the reloading component companies and ammo manufacturers and millions of handloaders somebody SOMEWHERE has done that test
>>61654971>t bills trading post.lmao someone shot their nutts off there a couple months ago was there ever an update on the dudes status?
>>61655217get both. if you are getting lee dies its only a $20 difference. are you so poor that you cant afford $20 more for a set of dies?
>>61655325I wonder if bill threw him out when he inevitably said “my fucking nuts!” In all honesty I hadn’t heard about that, but going on some of the gun owners up here I’m not super surprised…
What’s everyone’s preferred die brand? I’ve got a Lee set, and a hornady set as well as an RCBS set in a caliber I don’t have a gun for yet… so far the hornadys are my favorites…. Although I like the idea of the Lee powder through expander die….
>>61655426it was an employee apparently some kid behind the counter shot his nuts with a 1911 he was appendix carrying
>>61655259>>61655329It's not about cost, it's about time and space. I'm only going to have time to load, test, and perfect loads for one caliber by the time 4th of July or Memorial Day Sales start, if even in that time frame. My die ammo can is getting full, and I don't want to get something unless I'm going to immediately use it.
>>61655570i dont know whats wrong with you
>>61655488>shot his nuts with a 1911 he was appendix carryingHow the hell is that even possible? A Glock or something I could believe, but the 1911 should prevent even the most retarded of mongoloids from getting a chemical explosive castration. My fat as fuck Uncle appendix carries an officer, and his gunt depresses the grip safety, but he still has the manual thumb safety locked on.
>>61655585i dont know apparently it had something to do with him showing a customer his gun and then he fucked up when reholstering
>>61655617>>61655585That sounds entirely possible for Prescott. There’s some awesome people up here. Theirs also some real dumbasses.
>>61655319That's kind of my point. The lack of information on the topic should demonstrate it's lack of effect. Not even a footnote in a manual even when discussing the topic of crimping.These major ammo/powder brands all understand that nearly every magnum straightwall gets crimped, it's not like they haven't thought of it before or that we're more enlightened than them. For reference, you can crimp bottlenecked rounds too and I've heard anecdotally from shooters that they saw worse accuracy and greater ES.Absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence, but when you consider the totality of its absence then there's probably something there.
>>61655987>Theirs also some real dumbasseslmao
>>61655585You mean the thumb safety that's on the same side of the gun that's against your body?At least with a Glock you only have to worry about keeping one thing clear of unwanted interactions and you won't have a compulsion to fuck with the trigger until a loud fart sends a round.
Best 223 brass ?I have GGG holy fucking shit never again
>>61656901The NATO stuff? It's basically the same as LC in my experience. Assuming you're counting "minimal prep" as "best", you probably want Rem.
>>61656901I've got a bunch of Wolf Brass I've been shooting for years. Shocked how good it actually has held up. Can't exactly buy that anymore.
>>61656901Best virgin brass is probably Lapua and maybe not as good you have Starline, Nosler, Norma and Hornady. Used brass LC is probably the best but you need to remove the primer crimp. WCC and PMC are also usable. Federal the primer pockets get loose after a few firings.
>>61655987>There’s some awesome people up here. Theirs also some real dumbassesIsn't that the case everywhere?
>>61601923>primersscattered >powderspilled>minimum OAL specignored>powder measure topped off and unweighed >measured OALall over the placeOh yeah baby, it's reloading time B)
>>61656901whats wrong with ggg
>>61659996Probably, but having lived in Michigan, Ohio, and traveled to about 30 other states? My experience of living in Arizona is that the difference between the two extremes is unusually wide…
I've got 180 SWC sitting on the bench that I need to crimp yet, but I'm too lazy.
bent yet another pin while decapping some igman i haveshoots great but jesus fuck why did they make them with undersized and off center flash holes
>>61631740>350GRgoddamn
>>61662206Get one of the squirrel daddy pins? I need to figure out my new grundle barrel, but component costs have me wanting to switch hobbies... Cabelas did have some 30 cent 130gr sierra tipped game kings though so I may just fuck around with Varget and H322 since I don't really have much in the middle that isn't already spoken for... >holy crap gook moot's captcha system still sucks and I may be back in a few months when I forget about that...
>>61662458yeah ordered some right after, hopefully they work as well as people say they do
>>61662469Huh, never occurred to me that decap pins were a thing people would buy. I do it all on a universal so I have a shit ton of them lying round. Hit them with a buffing wheel for a slightly easier time of it, just make those suckers pointier.
>>61662206why you posting sculptures of my dick to embarass me?
>>61662485you generally buy two then buy a couple hardened ones and never break any again... If we are talking about universal dies. I have 99.99% switched over to decapping before stainless steel pin wet washing so that one piece gets a lot more work...
>>61662485bent with both a sizing die and a universal decapping die, granted one of them was because i had a freak berdan primed case in a batch of brass i got
>>61662606Nah what I mean is every die set comes with a pin. I've got dozens of the cunts but only one is ever mounted.
>>61662606>i had a freak berdan primed case in a batch of brass i gotGot taken in by some golden bear?
>>61662224On the light side for 500 Magnum.
>>61662224>350grunironically light for big bore stuff, quite light for 500.
Pindad (Indonesia) small pistol primers update, they work everytime all the time on single action but I'm getting light strikes on DA on multiple revolvers from different brands. Not great not terrible, I bought these for a levergun so its not the end of the world if I can't shoot off cylinders quickly.
>>61664135Yeah, it’s my first attempt loading 500 and since they were local I figured I’d give them a try. The die set is actually arriving Monday. Lyman converted to 500 bushwacker but still useable for 500 magnum.. I’ve got 100 400 grain hardcast gas check rounds coming in as well, but most of those are going to be earmarked for 500 bushwacker.. I emailed hornady asking about using those cot mag bullets in 500 bushwacker and apparently they don’t recommend them loaded above 2000 fps. (They put 200 here but I asked and they confirmed that was a type). Eventually I’d like to work up some 700 grain hardcasts in both magnum and bushwacker but it seems prudent to start small.. I will say even though 350 grains is on the small side for big bore stuff… theirs just something about the giant hollow points that feels just a bit more impressive than the hardcasts….
>>61664135Your the 458 Lott guy right?
>>61665062yeah
>>61665048You can push them way above 2000fps, they just don't want you to expect correct terminal ballistics because the jacket will probably separate and the core will frag.I think that bullet from a Big Horn Armory model 89 is north of 2000fps.
>>61665034Which revolvers, have you ever messed with springs or are they stock?
>>61665355Stock Charter Arms Undercover, Colt Python and Smith 686, seemed to be about 5% of the time on double action there'd be a light strike.
>>61665464How hard are you seating those primers?
>>61665487Might be a bit hard, possible its my priming but I only started to experience this with these Pindad primers.
>>61665500Gotcha, for cheap primers I will crush fit them to the point of deforming the cup slightly depending on the depth of the brass pocket.
>>61665576That's possible, each one that I've tried to shoot again goes off no problem on single action only. Its possible I've crushed some as I'm shooting assorted brand brass, I'll try to see if there's any particular casemarks that give me the issue next time I go.
>>61665343Good to know. I’m not hunting with it, just looking for fun options for target shooting. One of these days I’d love to pick up a 458 Lott bolt action. But unfortunately due to life circumstances I don’t get much time to shoot at rifle ranges, so it’s pistol stuff for me for now.. I just don’t see the point in getting something I’m only gonna get to shoot once or twice a year.. of course when I do start getting more range time if I can find a handi rifle in 500 they’ll bore that out to 500 bushwacker too…
>>61583913Ultimate minimalist reloadingWhat if I:>deprime with a thin stick>reprime with my thumb>resize the neck with a bit of ribbon>tap the bullet on with a malletDigi scales are $10 so I'll measure powder w thoseMeasure the OAL with a ruler
>>61665929no idea what you are talking about because i own one and its shit. the trigger is nothing like a 1911. i literaly never shoot it because the trigger is horrible. DA is heavy and not as smooth as a S&W revolver and the plastic trigger has flex which makes the travel feel even longer. the reset is long as fuck and requires letting go to like 80% of the travel before reset. the SA is shit because the trigger is plastic and flexes an even though the break isnt that heavy its got a long fucking reset in SA too. on top of that the entire pistol feels top heavy with a bore axis two stories above the V in your thumb and index finger. the only positives are that its reliable as fuck and nearly indestructible but i can also get those qualities in a hi point for 1/10th the cost. also the grip texture is really fucking good on it, much better than glock or any other polymer ive tried. ive heard the LEM trigger fixes a lot of the bad but then you just have a shitty DAO pistol and you might as well just use a striker gun at that point. one of these days id like to try their striker models like the VP9 apparently those are near perfect. all in all i give he USP a 5/10 because its a good gun that works but theres easier to shoot options out there. if you want a giant oversized pistol thats reliable in DA/SA but also a really smooth accurate shooter then get a beretta 92 with a D hammer spring and metal trigger which is a $25 upgrade package.
>>61665929>>61666128
>>61666065very based let me know how it turns out. you must have strong thumbs. even teh brown people of pakistan in the mountains use metal dies and presses.
>>61663053honestly no clue what it was it didnt have a headstamp ive seen before
What’s going on here? Both Winchester brass. Will this impact sizing/seating/case volume? Thanks anons, trying to learn here.
>>61668059>case volumeYou don't know how to measure that? Fill with water and put it on a scale my dude.It would help if we could actually see the fucking head. Might be cut down from another case.
>>61668209Thanks for the water tip. All brass was purchased by me over the course of a couple years; Winchester white box. All once fired. Says WIN 9mm Luger on the head
>>61668238Probably just a production flub then. Maybe they subbed out a batch of brass. It's probably fine but OTOH it's 9x19, "anything different gets chucked" is a perfectly reasonable policy, or put the oddballs into the rough shooting loads you'll never bother policing up.Case capacity is stated in either CC or "grains water" depending on if you're looking at CIP or SAAMI. 1 CC water =1g.
>>61665034>Pindad (Indonesia) small pistol primersWhere'd you buy those and how much?
>>61666981Is it steel on the inside?
>>61668543nah it was all brass, threw it out a few weeks ago while cleaning so i dont have the ability to get more pictures but i bent the fuck out of the neck getting the decapping pin out and it bent just like brass does
Anyone else have any experience with GRT? Just curious to see if any other anons use it
