Rogue 1™ loitering munition system by Teledyne FLIR the new kamikaze drone for Anglos. 2x speed 2x range 3x flight time over your FPV at home.Onions or sexo?
>>61589274It has a modular warhead and battery and can return and be reused if its not fired. The 1 pound warhead is on the same gimbal as the optics for ez aim. There's a training warhead, an EFP, and a tungsten cube directional frag.The USMC bought it for OPF-L.
>>61589274>>61589295Ok that's great how many dozens of off the shelf conversions are you giving up to pay for it?
>>61589295https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v49r-65gC8They didn't disclose the datalink but that antenna looks familiar.
>>61589274>2x speed 2x range 3x flight time over your FPV at home.How much will cost more than bootleg Ukrainian fpv drones manufactured with Chinese components?
>>61589332Lots. This is ATGM price range. The benefit is it gets peer level datalinks and sensors.
>>6158927490,000 dollars eachBtw, the battery is 1854-turbohomo-propetary-11A and last 2 years, +$9,999.99 for each replacement.
>>61589313>>61589332Even more seething poor third workers in this thread !
>>61589343If it can survive in an EW saturated environment, the price would be worth it. If it is as susceptible to Russian EW as the cheap-ass FPVs, then it's a huge waste.
>>61589274onions are based you homosexual
>>61589350>space before exclamation point Poojection. The west needs to see drones cogently not as a boutique instrument but as a democratization of violence similar to the firearm. A few guys with rifles and everyone else carrying sticks doesn't go very far when the other guy gave everyone at least a musket.
>>61589473I would unironically take 5 M4 and 15 sticks over 20 muskets.I hope you would too.
>>61589274>OnionsSaid the newfag.
>>61589295>1 pound warhead>$100 000That's really fucking grim jeesus christ
>>61589323>the fucking single use protective cover is made out of carbon fiberFUCK I HATE THESE RETARDED ARMS COMPANIES WHAT THE FUCK
>>61589499Sure, but there's a limit to how much more investment you can reasonably put in before returns diminish. A really fancy FPV drone is almost certainly not worth a thousand cheap conversions, as ultimately they aren't physically that different.
>>61589537Homemade FPVs are worthless against EW. Would you rather have 5 milspec kamikazes with terrain tracking autonomy or infinite Chinese 2.4GHz analog bind-and-fly quadcopters which can't come within 2km of the jammer standard on every American Humvee?When amateur fully AI drones are common then the argument from mass will make sense for Western forces; but until then, it's silly.
>>61589332>>61589313>>61589343fuck the price. Can they mass-produce this? say a thousand a day
>>61589586>Homemade FPVs are worthless against EWAre those provisions what make up the difference or is it golden toilets for execs and shit like >>61589528 ? Because my bet is on the latter. Autonomy and terrain tracking are software problems, there's no reason you couldn't make a generic swap in kit with those functions that costs less than 1k, not 90k.
>>61589695It's both. That's how Western corruption works. You don't earn a golden toilet by delivering stuff that underperforms.
>>61589274Looks expensive, which kind of defeats the original purpose of them.
>>61589586>When amateur fully AI drones are commonThis is coming soon btw. All the technology already exists in ubiquitous form, it just requires someone smart enough to put it all together. We will probably see them becoming common during this war if it goes on for two more years.Fully autonomous? probably not, but it will guide into the target even if it looses operator command.
>>61589586>Homemade FPVs are worthless against EWStatistically around a fourth make it through, which means even if this system goes straight through on the first try, it's still dozens of times as expensive for close strikes.Gonna be yet another niche system like the Switchblade that never makes it into mass production.
>>61589754>Statistically around a fourth make it throughAgainst Russian jammers. Statistically, about zero make it through agasint Western ones. Look at this from a fighter's perspective instead of an economists. You're suggesting carrying 4x the weight, 4x the volume, and using 4x the time to kill the same number of targets. That is tolerable in a static trench war between incompetents, but Western soldiers expect better.
>>61589775>but Western soldiers expect better.You mean like home-on-jam munitions that disable the enemy's EW efforts and let you use those cheap FPV drones just fine? Or modern ATGMs? If you're comparing to a Western military system, you've got to include the whole thing. In a Western system, cheap, spammable FPV drones would be even better than they are right now in Ukraine. Even so, >>61589718 applies, and in a couple years those cheap-shit mass produced drones are going to be capable of operating under effective jamming.
>>61589718Spooky shit.
>>61589813>You mean like home-on-jam munitions that disable the enemy's EW efforts and let you use those cheap FPV drones just fineHome-made home-on-jam barely works on home-made FPVs which are blasting a continuous signal. Good luck getting it to work against Western datalinks.
>>61589894>Good luck getting it to work against Western datalinks.What did he mean by this?
>>61589894Is there a misunderstanding of what home-on-jam is here?
>>61589323We are using a drone to target with a droneI'd rather use a drone to target with a brimstoneBut! man portable! yess drone on drone kissing
>>61589274Depends how much they'll cost if mass produced is (price of prototypes is irrelevant)
>>61589364>6.5 mememoorbros...
>>61589586>amateur fully AI dronesIt's closer than you think. Russians are already doing it with COTS equipment.
>>61589274>another day of bongs trying to make weapons only to create a worse replica that doesn't hit the market and they resort to shilling tactics to retain that sliver of relevance they once had
>>61589274Let me guess, $100000 price tag?
>>61589364>USMC using 7.62x39??????????????????????????????????
>>61589586>When amateur fully AI drones are commonSo in like 3 or 4 months?Sucks that we won't get first-person on those kills.
>>61589274AeroVironment Switchblade is the better system they should just buy more 300s, fixed wing ftw.
>>61589348Where are you guys getting this number?
The amount of seethe this thing is producing youd swear the DJI board of directors is shilling ITT themselves
Send them to Ukraine.
>>61593801Oh yeah it's definitely DJI shilling because they lost all those Western military contracts with this move. wtf are you actually on
>>61593826Why so bitter?
>>61593836How is being baffled by your post "bitter"?
>>61589653That's what the Replicator drone program is about.
>>61593848Oh you're just stupid.
>>61593869You sound bitter.
>>61589274>$94,000 eachSome beltway asshole really needs that new house huh
>>61589348>>61589515>equipment in LRIP costs a lot per unitShocking and unpredictable.
>>61593934>$94,000 eachImagine profit margins on that thing.
Did you guys know that the first B-29 ever built cost $3 billion in 1945 dollars? Did you know that the 2nd through 250th B-29s ever built cost $1 million apiece? Did you know that late production B-29s cost $500,000 each?This has been a brief lesson on how scale of production works.
>>61593963$18k chink DJI T30 drone for comparison tho geolocked & geofuzed by CCP so they can't be used in wars.
>>61593978>Did you guys know that the first B-29 ever built cost $3 billion in 1945 dollars?Yeah and ot was a massive waste of money program
>>61593978>>61593946Cool.>hundreds of thousands of dollars 10 years ago>industry catches up, no longer represents novel capacity >hundreds of thousands of dollars todayThis has been a lesson in not trusting the MIC and military contractors to obey rational market dynamics.
>>61594063>10 years agoIt was announced two days ago.
>>61594028It literally ended a war that would have otherwise claimed millions of lives.>But it cost money!
>>61594072The black hornet in my post was not announced two days ago.
>>61594089They're two separate, complete unrelated things, anon. The only thing they have in common is that they're drones.
>>61594092One of the people I replied to literally references the B29.
>>61594099What does the B-29 have to do with the Black Hornet micro drone?
> $100000Good luck producing them in any significant (10k+) numbers
>>61594103This is a fever dream of a post holy shit.You retards think the B29 is a great object lesson in how LRIP works. I'm using black hornet as an object lesson in how 'muh LRIP' is not a guarantee of future price adjustments with the MIC. Somehow you think the B29 example is more relevant.
>>61594129>In 2018, the US Army bought 60 Hornet 3 drones,[21] and in 2022 another 300.Wow, it's almost as if the cost savings that come with scale of production doesn't work when you don't produce something at scale.
>>61589274If they were going to overengineer it they should have just made it to fire a rocket instead of self-destructing. Shit looks to expensive.>>61589343Yeah, just fire an ATGM at this point, from a safer range instead. FPV are literally improvised shitweapons that cost fuck all because they use all of the surplus PG7-VL warheads.
>>61594139circa 2k16>According to Aviation Week, more than 3,000 PD-100 air vehicles have been delivered, and the system has been used operationally in Afghanistan by British Army units since 2012.Those bigots should have just bought 30,000, right? REAL LRIP HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED
>>615941673,000 is practically cottage industry numbers.
>>61594173>he's literally making the "they should have bought 30,000 real LRIP has never been tried" argument jej alright. So you're not gonna be surprised when the same thing happens with this thing, right?
>>61594181I'm sorry you don't understand how numbers work, but I can't really help you there.
>>61594187>LRIP works like this, except when it doesn't, then you can't talk about it because.. because it doesn't work like that! go away!
>>61594212>The prices for low-rate initial production items don't go down when you don't buy enough for economies of scale to happenI don't know how I can explain this any simpler.
>>61594237Let me clarify for you. You can't simultaneously keep coming back to LRIP to justify retarded pricing, ignore that said retarded pricing drives down procurement, arbitrarily determine that the appropriate number of units is "whatever is more than the number actually shipped" and keep expecting people to buy that LRIP and economies of scale are going to save this turd.
>>61589274Can it be produced by hundreds a day?Also, I'm not sure why you comparing it to the FPV drones. This is clearly a replacement for the Mavics
>>61590032for how americans would use is, which it to scuttle around scouting and sniping people as a valuable but expendable recon asset.>>61592227for how the people we might give the thing would use it, which is to check doors, corners and get blow up a lot in minefields. In which case you don't want to give whoever salvages the wreckage afterward a high quality, expensive and accurate rifle, so for example, if we give them to ukraine, they will stick AKs on them and then send them into apartment buildings where they will be killed by vatniks with shovels or w/e and worst case all you done is given the vatniks another AK, rather than given them a 6.5 creedmor marksmans rifle to cause trouble with.Its all just compatibility testing, "give it a modern, high end accuarte rifle and see if it works" and then "give it the oldest shittiest gun that people are actually quite likely to stick on it and see if it works"Theres a reason "AK on a sentry turret" is a popular theme and thats that AK are quite dangerous at short ranges and ubiquitous and utterly expendable. They are the exact sort of gun that will get used to arm cheap scout drones and sentry guns, precisely because if they are lost destroyed or captured no one gives a shit.
>>61594082Literally didn't tho
>>61594082it didn't you retarded shill
>>61594806>>61594816Y'all didn't graduate high school, did you?
>>61594259>Why am I not getting bulk pricing when I only buy a single item?!?!?!
>>61595476so it didn't
>>61595503Do you think the atomic bombs teleported themselves to Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
>>61589274>Kills your dronePssh. Nothing personell kid
>>61589274>2x speed 2x range 3x flight timeAnd 223x the price tag.Not even kidding. This thing costs 94k. Cheapest FPVs are in the 400-500 range. Literally 223 times more expensive.
>>61595499>accuses me of not understanding numbers >thinks 3000 = 1btw both of these drones, the black hornet 10 year running graft machine that costs 200,000 for a single camera, and the rogue 1 that spawned this thread, are from the same company. "MUH nothing in common" LMAO
>>61589274jewish onions. overpriced piece of shit.
>>61595587Please explain how building 60 micro drones a year is anything other than low-rate production.
>>61593836Because it's anglo's. That's all the reason he needs to seethe his entire life.
>>61595664>3k/4 = 60Master of numbers at it again
>>61595665The biggest sign that you aren't American is how vigorously you choose to defend our govt spending.
>>61595726See: >>61594139>In 2018, the US Army bought 60 Hornet 3 drones
>>61595840see >>61594167>3k purchases between 2k12 and 2k16Bitching about low orders in 2018 when the project had already failed to improve in any way for 6 fucking years is retarded. No shit your orders drop when you can't clean up your act.
>>61595533https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1yNF4ZhQ1wI say: better put M4 on it and start shooting troops
Is the guy who built this thing in the thread? Holy shit there is one tryhard fucker here dying to convince everyone it's great.
turdies and yuropoors seethe and cry: the thread.
>>61589274Only worth it if it has EW resistance or has autonomous capabilities. Otherwise its basically just lighting money on fire. Datalink is nice though. At its price point and range, there's gonna be a lot of overlap with ATGMs or air launched munitions, both of which are far more lethal and reliable. Its use cases are going to be much, much slimmer than dronefags would have you believe. >>61589295>The 1 pound warhead is on the same gimbal as the optics for ez aim.Interesting idea that adds a lot more versatility, but that warhead is anemic for the size of the drone. They should probably add a second, non-directional HE charge and frag to the body of the drone. >>61594063>This has been a lesson in not trusting the MIC and military contractors to obey rational market dynamics.Cronyism to some extent is basically inevitable considering that the government itself is the primary customer, and also is the one signing off on other people buying these weapons. To play Devil's advocate however, the US military does pay a lot of the upfront R&D costs that make technology cheaper for consumers down the line. Still, the DoD has a very painful lesson to learn in the event of a protracted large scale conflict.
>>61589274I'm just waiting for Teledyne to rebrand to Cyberdyne then calling it a night.
