EMBT ADT 140 demonstrator with Ascalon gun. From Eurosatory.
>>61880206It is just like old times.
>>61880206Is there a /k/ meetup planned at Eurosatory?
>>61880206Is that an actual EMBT or just a wooden mock-up? I was wondering the same thing about the Abrams-X that was displayed.
>>61880206As much as I hate the frogs, I think we should go with the 140mm for the MGCS.
>>61880206>140mmLiterally for what purpose
>>61880411France mistakenly believed Russia could build a tank in the 21st century
>>61880411Explained here: https://www.edrmagazine.eu/ascalon-nexters-solution-for-the-mgcs-main-gun
>>61880436>>61880441What are the penetration values for the 140mm gun?
>>61880441>Beyond-Line-Of-Sight roundsnice, so it's an arty/tank hybrid then
>>61880441>it is known as ASCALON, which stands for Autoloaded and SCAlabLe Outperforming guNTotal acronym death
>>61880218Yes, right behind the dumpster next to the BAE stand. Pants are optional
>>61880460Your mum + 100cm
>>61880206So now the turret is fully unmanned and there is a new coaxial 30x113 compared to last time, plus the one on the top of the turret in a CIWS which was retained?Someone is missing the AMX30 it seems.No evolution with that specific Leo 2 chassis though.>>61880216The Terminateur said it would be back and it is.I mean, one 140mm and two 30x113mm.Imagine the sneed.
>>61880562>Terminateurlmao
>>61880569>>61880562God, I hate the french so fucking much.
>>61880540ToAD you mean?
>>61880411To plow through several vatnik tanks at once when they roll in a line. Saves ammo.>>61880460+70% compared to a state of the art 120mm APFSDS.
>>61880569It really was the name of the Leclerc prototype with a 140mm FTMA gun.>>61880576Buck-Frogged
>>61880411Because germans developed the 130mm
>>61880411Your tank can double as an artillery system
>>61880206I love how we’re still upgrading the size of cannons when not even a couple months ago leopard 1’s with the old 105 were making mincemeat of T-72s
>>61880808>leopard 1’s with the old 105 were making mincemeat of T-72sAny footage of this? I only ever saw a leo 1 dead in a minefield and never any more thereafter
>>61880562>The TerminateurLe Terminateur
>>61880825fair point but there was an Ukrainian tanker who claimed that the 105 was still wreaking t72 with hits to the turret
>>61880206The EMBT seems to be the ine actually passable German tank design.
>>61881686The EMBT is absolutely disgusting
>140mm with HE shells because tank vs tank is a meme and in most cases tanks are used as arty and assault guns This literally revindicates Russia btw, that's literally what they learn from Ukraine also this tank will turret toss to the atmosphere if penned even with blow out panels
>>61880411>Literally for what purpose
>>61881819Why not just go 155mm and spam HE at everything at this point. You can share shells with artillery, as a bonus if you give it high elevation and proxy fuses it can shoot at aircraft.
>>61880825no footage, but according to a long interview with Ukrainians, while the 105 can't penetrate the ERA upped Turrets, the shear kinetic force is enough to make the turret inoperable by severely damaging internal parts
>>61881955Sharing shells isn't that big of an advantage to first world militaries because we can afford to have both munitions in our supply networks without running out.
>>61880226it's real but most of the external "armor" is probably empty boxes, EMBT is a single testbed/demonstrator vechicle made from a heavily modified Leopard hull and Leclerc turret
>>61880825>>61881039>>61881976Ukrainians have apparently been treating Leo 1s as hilariously potent tank-destroyers in a primarily defensive role.See the first and fourth posts in the compilation in picrel.
>>61880825I have no idea and no confirmation, but I also wouldn't be surprised if webmrelated was being done with at least a few Leo 1s.
>>61880411>>61880460>>61880636>>61881819>>61881955Koksan 170mm direct fire
>>61880226Why would anyone from the first world use wood when steel is so easy to cut and weld?
>>61880411140mm is a lengthened straightwalled 120mm so the ammo capacity in bustle autoloaders stays the same, unlike Rheinmetall's 130mm, and it can barrel swap with 120mm shells.140mm gets you 5kg of HE in a HE-frag shell instead of 3kg like a 120mm, the lengthening gets you a longer APFSDS, and the big bore enables keeping pressure the same or even lowering it, which in conjunction with the pepperpot brake reduces friendly fire risks to your own infantry from muzzle blast.
>>61882164gay and retarded
>>61881955You mistakenly believe because it's 155 it's the same. Detonate on impact 155mm hasn't been common for decades.People think the same regarding 556 belted and unbelted. They're completely different rounds in terms of logistics despite being identical beyond a belt.
>>61882190current Rheinmetall 130 also uses the lengthened ammo format, it's not the old one with the scaled up rounds
30mm coaxial as well, frenchbros are eating good.
>>61880586Huehuehue
>>61882585>need to rotate main turret to use itgay
>>61882585The new remote turret Leo with an Ascalon gun would be the best IMO.
>>61882744The first iteration had a 30mm RCWS. I think they are just testing different configurations.
>>61882744>>61882821There seems to be a RCWS on the roof.
>>61882836It actually does look like their 30mm RCWS, see from this angle: >>61880206
>>61882585>>61882836>>61882913>2x30mm gunsas much as this gives me a raging boner, I question the ammo efficiency on this
>>61882821I do hope we go for this.It look like a vehicle that could actually shoot down drones or missiles as they approach.
>>61882989It needs an extra RCWS in the back of the turret like on the Panther.
>>61883029>Natter>not a meme rim launchermy disappointment is immense
>>61880206Very nice.Now post ammunition capacity.>>61880562>the turret is fully unmannedyikes>>61880586Oh, Carlos>>61881819>This literally revindicates Russialol notanks are only being used that way because of the unique limitations of the Ukraine war>>61881955because a self-propelled howitzer is massive yet barely armoured and they struggled enough to fit the 140mm into a tank let alone a 155mm and a useful ammo load>>61883029>20 ready roundsNGMI
>>61882190So it's like the XM913?
Double trunnions a based
>>61883193It looks sleepy.
>>61880411More fill for the dead zigger storage.
>>61882585>frenchbrosKill yourself nigger
>>61883244lol yeah, it looks like a sleepy elephant
>>61881976>muh armor penetration this and that ad nauseam >raw kinetic energy is forgottenfunny how that goes
>>61883386It’s French tho. Even the EMBT modified hull is French
>>61883029These RCWS are essentially turrets. So this...monstrosity has 3 turrets. Landships are back?
>>61883605Kill yourself nigger
>>61880617No they didn't. French had a working 140mm in the 90s.
>>61880206Why would euros want a 140mm gun when it means less ammunition carried, especially since the main threat to euros for the forseeable future will be T-62 Obr. 2024s?
>>61884241That's the beauty of it. It doesn't mean less ammo carried because it's a straight-necked shell with a base diameter the same as a 120mm.
>>61882191how
>>61884250Ahh, so its basically the same way the 50mm XM913 is a straight necked 35mm? If thats the case its fucking neato.
>>61884241thats what the two 30s are for
>>61884218Yup. The French, Swiss, Swedish and US all expected 140mm to become the new NATO standard in the 90s if the cold war continued and all built prototypes around that plan. US had various 140mm armed Abrams, Sweden had the STRV2000, France had the Terminator and the Swiss just regunned a Leopard 2 in 140mm.
>>61884292It might have changed nowdays, but during the cold war a shitload of countries tried coax 20/30mm guns, and came to the conclusion that 30mm ammunition (and the gun itself) further reduces internal space, and if its something thats big enough to need a burst of 30mm, you might aswell just send a main gun round down range. As for external RWS typ 30mm guns, that makes a whole lot more sense.
>>61883029>7.62Not really effective against drones
>>61884693As long as you hit the drone it will probably fuck it up, that said, I cant imagine that would be easy.
>>61880206I want to see this turret put on the M60 hull. Starship 2 soon.
