Shotgun, skeet shooting, hunting, target practice, slugging, shitposting, all welcome in the SGG.
>>61926101Shot my first ever straight 50 on the trap range recently, feels great bros. Had shot 49 a few times before that. Been shooting trap for about 3 years, it's been a lot of fun. Probably have put 15,000 shells through my Browning Citori in that time. What should I do to take things to the next level?I've been thinking about getting a "next level" shotgun like a DT11, but $10,000 is a lot to spend on a gun, especially when I'm not sure how much benefit I'd really get, and I could buy like 25,000 shells with that amount of money. And I really like my Citori, it fits me really well. I'm just not sure at what point I'd really benefit from a more expensive gun as opposed to just spending the money getting more practice with my gun that's already pretty good.
>>61926101Is that sling bandolier combo comfortable? I do need a sling for bitch
Picking up a 590 retrograde Monday. I’m excited :)
>>61926734Based, that's what I have.
>>61926734good shit anon. been wanting a 590 A1 myself. I was thinking about getting a regular 590A1 and then getting some used wood off ebay for like $50 and refinishing it myself, there's some pretty grain for sale on there
>>61926721I had a bando sling and it was more of a pain in the ass than anything. Best one I've found now is the basic Midway web, I've got it on 3 of my guns and it's great.
So far it has eaten everything I've thrown at it with zero issues.
Any of you guys use a clay pigeon thrower? Is there a recommended one?
>>61926101So is the shotgun ok for home defen... Naaah just kidding, i'm not a faggot. Shotgun postin' is it, that's my style sir.
>>61927405Luv winchestah'ate remintonSimple as
someone know which models are these?
>>61926690I was also thinking of getting a ShotKam, since when I miss sometimes I’m not really sure why, so I was wondering if that might help me identify if stuff like poor quality shells are contributing.
>>61926101Trap or skeet? What's better for a solo shooter just trying to get better aim with a shotgun?
>>61930374You should try both, they’re pretty different games.
>>61928742The one one in the two left pics is a Remington 870 but the artist drew the magazine cap wrong.I don't recognize the one on the right, a bunch of stuff looks wrong with it like the odd shape of the trigger guard, the ejection port is really short, and there's that funny curved portion of the receiver where the magazine tube meets it which looks more like a lever-action rifle than a shotgun. Unless someone happens to recognize it I think the one on the right is just a nogunz artist drawing a generic pump-action shotgun by borrowing details from lots of real life guns.
>>61930374In my opinion Skeet is better for learning fundamentals. This is because there are no random variables involved except for the wind. The clays fly the same trajectory every time. Therefore when you're just starting out you can keep things simpler. Also you don't have to shoot a formal "game" of skeet, if you're a complete noob you can go stand right next to the low house and blast outgoing clays the whole time, as you get more comfortable you can shoot from more of the middle positions and then step up to the real game.The target thrower in Trap always throws to a random direction, that's great for training once you're practiced, but it's a bit high of a learning curve when you're a new shooter since it's a different shot every time. Definitely try both, but IMHO if you're a total noob then start with skeet, and note even the full game either, just repeatedly shoot singles from the same station.
>>61930404does this model jam often? How easy it's to clear a jam if a shell gets stuck?How often you need to clean this to prevent corrosion, daily?
>>61928825The hard part about shooting shotguns at moving targets is that you get little feedback. When you shoot rifles or pistols at paper or steel you can see where your bullet hole or mark is located relative to the bullseye so it's easy to see if you are shooting high or left or whatever. But when you're shooting shotguns at clays all you can see is *that* you missed, but unless you're already skilled you don't really know *why* you missed, and now you have a catch-22. One thing that can help is having someone go with you. A person standing behind the shooter can often see where the shot goes and they can then tell you which direction you missed. There are some kinds of special shells which are designed to make the shot more visible so the shooter themselves can get visual feedback but I haven't tried them personally. Winchester "TrAAcker" is one kind, there's others whose names I have forgotten.If you suspect bad ammo that's really easy to check, go hang up a big static target, something more than 3 feet wide, and go shoot it, then see how many pellets are in a 30" circle at your given distance and if there are any big holes in the pattern.
>>61932233I've yet to have a malfunction with it so I'm not sure. It has run flawlessly for me so far. No rust issues either, I wipe it down everytime I clean it with a little oil and keep a few silica packs in it's case. That seems to keep it at bay.
Thoughts on ATI folding stock? It looks plastic
>>61932418It is plastic
>>61926734Very based. I love the hell out of my 590.
>Maverick 88>Amazon flashlight mount>Sling loop washer flipped upside down to have a sideways sling instead of just buying a mount>Flex seal and skateboard grip tape on the pumpAm I poor maxing
what sight I could put on m4 for skeet shooting?on picatinny, kinda hard with ghost sights, and don't want to buy separate gun just for skeet shooting.
>>61933073That's the problem with the M4. It's a great shotgun, but it's a one-trick-pony combat weapon, it's pretty sucky for clay sports. There are no long barrel options for it and the sight situation is pretty shitty.
Are there a y metal folding stocks for shotguns?
I’m buying a Mossberg 930, what am I getting into
>>61927414I'm going to sell the stainless one tho. Dont have any use for shotgun except collection, and I want a Mossman500.
>>61926721shell slings are the worst thing to put on your gun. everything about them sucks ass. weight moving around constantly. then theres actually trying to load from that bitch. just awful.
>>61933802Choate
>>61934873does it fit maverick 88 ?
>>61926690Similar to you but I mainly shoot skeet. Imo you will get zero benefit from a more expensive gun. Def get it if you can afford it and you just like it. But I think once you got a serviceable gun that fits you well, the diff is fucking nothing.
>>61933877Nah mossman is pedestrian. You want old school ithica or new bps.
>>61926734Hell yeah, brother. Got mine this month and I love it. Hope you got the 20" one. Biggest issue I'm having is figuring out a good way to mount a light without it being ugly. I've got a magtube clamp from Streamlight but I was retarded and didn't get a compatible streamlight flashlight for it.
>>61933914This. Bandoliers are for wearing. Shell holders you can mount on the gun, ideally on the stock, ideally removable ones with a comfy cheek rest.
>>61935130If 88 can take 500/590 furniture then yes it will fit they make em for Mossbergs and Remingtons
Remposting
>>61926888My friend and one of these
>>61927535>women cannot resist the A5 chad
>>61933053Yeah. Everything is ok except for the mount.>cheaping out on a light mount for a violently recoiling long gunRIP
>>61933817Jams. Pony up a little more for a 940 or A300 at that price range
>>61933404Turkenelli shotguns are now doing sporting and waterfowling M4 pattern shotguns with 28-32in barrels and no ghost ring sights. They're like $500 max. Worth a try, barrel assemblies might even drop-in fit an actual M4.
>>61937207>turknelliCringe>sporting gas gun with ARGO piston systemExtremely based
1909 and still fine.
>>61932026>I don't recognize the one on the rightWinchester SXP trigger guard with a misinterpretation of the Model 25 receiver shape from a crappy pic? Whatever it is...it's something alright.
>>61933404>no long barrel optionsBEHOLDhttps://www.metrogun.com/
>>61926721>chinese pot metal
>>61938312I swear I've seen the trigger guard before but I just can't place it. It's not the SXP though. On the SXP the bottom portion of the trigger guard is angled. It points downward if the gun is held level, meaning the hole where you put your finger through is wider at the front than at the back. But in the drawing the bottom of the trigger guard is level, it doesn't angle downward like on the SXP. Now it might be from a real gun, I can swear I've seen the design before I just can't place it. But the receiver is all kinds of WTF. I just now noticed the pin through the receiver near the front of the ejection port. I don't think the artist thought that one though.It could be based on a pump-action 22 that the artist scaled up. The triggerguard is wrong of course but the receiver resembles a Winchester model 61. The other thing that makes me think it could be based on a .22 is the pump handle looks pretty small in that drawing if this is supposed to be a 12ga. The barrel looks big but the pump handle isn't enlarged in the right proportion.
>>61940047The drawing being based on a .22 would also explain why the ejection port is so short.
>>61927314So many questions about this photo....WTF is up with that stance? Did they literally paint some dude out of the picture?
>>61938793Turkish actually and it hasn’t had any issues yet
Thoughts on the KSG?
>>61940270For serious use? Absolutely not.For the meme? Yeah sure, why not?
>>61937059Or the Savage 720 with Cutt’s compensator Chad.
>>61940047>The triggerguard is wrong of course but the receiver resembles a Winchester model 61.Good fucking eye. I knew Winchester made something with a scallop in the front edge of the receiver but I couldn't remember what. Also the forend looks like it might be a Remington 870's.
>>61940119>WTF is up with that stance?The past was a wild time for shooting stances
>>61930404I love wood on guns so much.I brought my 590 to the local gunsmith to get some wood I got from eBay put on.When I pick it up in a few days maybe I’ll share some pics.
>>61942742Did you just order a wood stock and pump? Because those are crazy easy to install.
>>61940270
>>61942777Look, last time I disassembled my 590 to give it a good cleaning, my arthritis ridden fingers couldn’t get those two plates in the receiver to stay in place.Yes, I suck.Whatever.I had to go anyway, because I also needed my S&W 64 to be fixed.Whoever had it before me must have done some “work” on it, and cut the springs too short, causing light primer strikes.
>>61926879wont cycle mini slugs tho, embarrassing
My home defense “demographic adjuster”.
>>61943059Kek yeah those little metal strips are annoying as fuck to get back in. Fair enough.
>>61942742Please do! When I bought that 500 I was tempted to put new furniture on it and some other goodies. Then I just kept looking at it and decided to leave it as is. I really dig it
>>61926101/bst/ pulled through, bought this Beretta A300, South African import, Musgrave marked.
>>61927535I want my firing squad to look like this at my execution.
>>61928742high standard flight king
>>61944496Curious to see those marks; haven't heard of SA imported ones.>>61944855I have the Sears version of that. Stupid smooth pump. Oil it, hold it vertical, push the release, and it just falls open.
>>61944956Only difference is the South African proofs on the underside of the receiver and the mark "MUSGRAVE" on the barrel. Supposedly also the wood too but I'm not an expert in wood so idfk.
>>61945284Huh, I'll have to keep an eye out for SA imports. Shit like that is why I spend so long looking at guns at the gun store or gun show; you just never know when otherwise normal looking guns have something interesting about them. Pictured is a 10/22 model 01122 that was imported from England. Has British proofs and a 1/2x20 threaded barrel. Ruger doesn't make any threaded barrel Sporters ATM other than two with no iron sights, Talo exclusive. 01122 is also discontinued. Not quite as neat but still neat.
Anybody know anything about marlins besides the standard "don't shoot it" shit? pic related Marlin Model 28 Takedown (standard on all 28's). Grade A. 1,0xx Serial. 26in standard Barrel. no markings on it besides Patents. old Catalogs mention an included carrying case. no information exists on an example of one. any good recommendations for something not tactical?dumping what model 28 Lore i have.
>>61943094You should write that on the thing
>>61945504They really Sold you on things back then.
>>61945523forgot image.
>>61945527imagine a shotgun today Advertising its Slamfire Capabilities.
>>61945540>no Simpler, quicker, or more effective device could possibly be designed. >that engraving 3/4
>>61945564>22.60 $651.19 today. Would you buy one Anon?
>>61945504What's with the shape of the bottom of the grip? Looks like it has a wave to it rather than being flat or rounded.>carrying case recommendationsUnfortunately good looking cases are often pricey. Cabelas has some that are nice but they're like $150+. Boyt makes some cases that they've made for a very very long time (in business since 1901) but they're $200. I bought a used vintage Boyt case for like $2 that has really poor condition leather that I "will eventually restore" which is a funny joke I tell myself half the time I buy something. Looks similar to this.boytharness.com
>>61945687it does have a wave to it same as the ones in the catalog i posted do. on close inspection it also has a bit of a gouge missing in the wood, and its been oiled over to match. theres also some visible rasping marks on the rear portion of the wave. idk if its factory or bubba. it IS a standard model gun..
>>61945732Either way it's neat. Can't say I'm into Marlin shotguns enough to tell for sure which it'd be; I rarely see them if ever.
Just saw this thinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezNt-rtlPUw
>>61945687>What's with the shape of the bottom of the grip? Looks like it has a wave to it rather than being flat or rounded.They all do, it's just how they designed the stock. My guess is they just wanted it to look a little different and maybe add a little decoration there that was cheaper than adding a grip cap.
>>61946094Neat, love gimmicky stuff like this
>>61926101Got this within the last month. Heavy and awkward, but it's still pretty damn cool.
My grandpa passed away some years ago and left me with a really old browning a5 chambered in 16g.I have two questions,can I have a gunsmith rebore it to 12g?Is it worth anything? Condition is 8/10circa 1940s or 50s
>>61949280I don't know and you'd at minimum need another bolt as well. Might as well just keep it as is considering the 16ga is more sought after AFAIK anyways.
>>61945515My future public defender would probably prefer that I didn’t.
>can I have a gunsmith rebore it to 12g?No. 12ga is larger than 16a, there's nowhere near enough metal in the barrel or anywhere else to leave anything left once the boring was done. It could theoretically be sleeved down to 20ga but that would be a bit silly since the conversion would be very expensive and would fuck the value of the gun. It's worth close to $2k if your description is correct.If you want to shoot it then be aware that 16ga ammo is expensive and hard to find, but handloading shotshells is very easy and requires a lot less investment in tools than loading metallic cartridges.
>>61949280keep it in 16ga, it's a really fun round and perfect for the meat of the eurasian woodcock and grouse
>>61950154That side by side is so damn pretty
>>61948996You get used to it. Btw, if you haven't already, I'd replace the receiver buffer. MidwayUSA sells replacements in both new and old styles made of polyurethane. Something I've also found is a neat trick to make loading a bit easier, put it in manual mode, pull the action sleeve back, push a shell down on the carrier, let the bolt ride forward enough to let the carrier lift, then you can load shells unobstructed and don't need to hold the bolt release. You can also ghost load doing this.
>>61949280keep it 16. only problem might be the chamber on it. it might be a 2 9/16 chamber instead of 2 3/4 leading to some gunsmithing tier shenanigans. OR you have to shorten all your 16 ga shells, finding 16ga is a pain anyways. much less 2 1/2" shells. get another 16ga. shoot that. and reload shells to feed A5. best solution.
>>61952335>chamber issuesProbably marked on the barrel, no? Also anon might be able to get a smith to re-ream chamber if that is the case.
>>61952335Belgian sweet 16? Huh. Haven't seen one of those since the early 1990's.. Buddy of mine walked into a gun show up in Plano Texas with one in pristine condition on his back. He barely had made more than 5 steps in from check-in to the floor and it seemed every Fudd in the building was running up to him trying to buy it. Was rather impressive to watch.
Anyone else excited for DIY hunting season?
>>6194928016 gauge is still in production, browning released a 16 gauge model for their new A5s. You can still get it, keep A5 forever and leave gun alone
is the benelli nova a worthwhile shotgun and can I use it effectively to hunt birds?
>>61957417Yes to both.
>>61957417Yes and yes. I have an 18.5" barrel for HD and a 26" barrel for clays and hunting. Thinking of SBSing it
>>61957421>>61957432sick, thanks anons
>>61957417I remember that dude on /k/ that lost one kayaking and found it a year later stuck in the mud when the lake receded. A year under water and it was still able to be saved.
Anyone know if impact weapon components is going to start back up? I want one of their benelli m4 light mounts and can't find one anywhere
Who here has test ran plate carrier for 12g?
>>61957417I have a supernova and quite frankly prefer my maverick 88.
>>61926734>retrogradeIt has a wooden stock, wOw
>>61959991You can try buying your own wood, but Mossberg & Sons has made sure that it is a pain in the ass.Is it 7 5/8?6 3/4?One piece polymer?Is it made for one action bar or two?No, the serial number and model doesn’t necessarily tell you.
>>61957417nah dude, you gonna be found dead in the bush, picked clean by birds because you weren't well equipped enough
>>61942888Trips checked, what happened to his hand?
>>61960906Dude lost his grip on the pump handle trying to magdump and fired the gun with his hand in front of the muzzle.
>>61960912Oh fuck. That's because the ksg is a bullpup with a short barrel right? I can imagine how he went to work the action, loosened his grip, and lost his fingers.
How much should I pay for an 870 police magnum? I forget the exact price, but I saw one for less than $450 and I kinda want it.
>>61960927>with a short barrel right?Bingo. It's pretty common for pump shottys with short barrels to have a strap on the pump handle to make that accident less likely. For example, picrel is a factory Mossberg AOW
>>61961044forgot pic
>beretta releases ANOTHER generation of 1301
>>61960940Here's some for $299. I'd chuck an email their way to make sure their stock is fully Police Magnum and not a mix of Police/Wingmaster/Express as well as making sure they're pre-Freedom Group but you should be able to get it for under $400. Their pic, at the very least, is all Police Magnum. Speed feed stock too. Of course I just had to have one a couple months back and missed this and wasn't patient enough to wait for a guy to get back to gun shows who had some with speed feed and a lit forend for around $400 so now I'm stuck looking through furniture and waiting for a non-rifle sight barrel.https://gunprime.com/products/one-1-police-trade-remington-870-12-ga-pump-action-le-trade-synthetic-stock?gdhttps://gun.deals/product/one-1-police-trade-remington-870-police-magnum-12-ga-pump-action-le-trade-extended-tube-gun
>>61961055Another common feature you will find on pump shottys with short barrels is a specially shaped pump handle so it's hard to have your hand slip forward. This is one style, factory Remington model 870 LM. Another example is the "T" style pump handle that Serbu puts on the Super Shorty. The KSG has none of these features.
>>61961063id be worried about ejectors being worn out. my dad's Y2K police shotgun had that problem and getting it fixed pretty much offset the deal he got on it.
>>61961075Eh, mine was fine. I think it rolled around in the trunk of the cop car more than anything but different batch, different seller. And mine's a 90s 870 IIRC.
>>61961063Shit, thanks. I was also planning on selling my winchester 12 when I go to pick it up, so this'll save me a good chunk of cash.
>>61938339>Copyright©2002 LP Brezny>Please Note: Dead Ringer chokes are out of production until 2013.>narrow website optimized for 4:3 displays>yahoo email for contactThat's not a website, it's an archive. Anyone willing to call them and see if they're still alive over there?
>>61943094I should paint the heat shield lime-green with black biohazard symbols to make this a zombie apocalypse gun.
>>61961240Youtube video on that page links to a channel last active 6 months ago. AFAIK they still make those massive barrel extensions. You want to see another archive of a website? They don't make gun stuff anymore but https://www.laseraimtools.com/I'll save you the effort as I've already looked through archives...been the same since about y2k.
>>61961057This is still Gen 2, not a big fan of the competition lifter since if the bolt release lever fails it’ll spit all of the ammo out at once. That was some people 3 gunners had with the original 1301 but they’ve maybe fixed it
>did skeet shooting first time today>hit 14/15 targets, only one missed was thrown like an MLB fastball
So I was in the local Bass Pro the other day and I noticed their used rack had something like three Beretta A300s in a row. Something wrong with em, or think people are just upgrading?
>>61943756Gunsmith called and says it’s ready; hopefully I can pick it up tomorrow.
>>61962921Bumping to see it
What are some top folding stocks for maverick and other shotguns besides Chaeto and ATI ?
>>61962874Make sure they were actually used; my Cabelas had like 4-6 6.5 Creed Steyr Scouts at one point on the used rack. All had a "New" tag. More surprisingly, they've sold like 10+ since then.
Knapp bump
>>61965451>Steyr ScoutsI still don't understand why the fuck they're not offered in the original grey color.
Shhhhh
What's the use of an M-Lok on the pump for these things?
>>61967581forgot to post pic
>>61961253Definitely
>>61961701Does someone have that old greentext about some anon going to a skeet range with his old rusty Mossberg 500. And there was some hot shot that did a whole “slow breath concentrate” routine before he shot and got like 3/10 and all the boomers thought he was amazing. Then Mossberg anon hit like 8/10 and embarrassed him?
>>61967545thats a killer deal, the folding stock alone is usually 2-3k
>>61967589a light of some kind, usually. though with how far back it is i would prefer a barrel or tube clamp light mount.
>>61967581I think it's mostly for looks. You could mount a light or a laser to them but honestly I'd rather mount a light near the muzzle using a clamp, that way it's farther forward on the gun so the barrel won't cast a shadow. I suppose you could mount a hand stop, strap, or friction grip devices like Railscales there if you're worried about losing your grip on the pump handle but IMHO that really isn't necessary.
>>61967643I haven't seen it, but skeet rounds are out of 25 so something isn't adding up.
>>61967645yeah, great deal, wish i had the money
Wood only
>>61967673I said 14/15 because it was 14/15 clay pigeons my friends threw in the desert. I wasn't doing a competition. I mistakenly thought any clay pigeon shooting was called skeet shooting. I was using the same maverick 88 20" that I use for slugging metal plates. Bead only.
>>61968191There's a video on youtube of some asian dude dominating with a mossberg Shockwave. The peoples he's shooting against are clearly annoyed kek
>>61968218If you're in an open gun tournament you should be willing to lose against anything. A lot of people don't understand that experts exist in every sport, and will clown on you with virtually any setup. I'm sure Steph Curry could clown on any park ball player in a full suit with sandals, and I'm sure Frank Thompson could outshoot anyone here in a skeet competition with a choked serbu super shorty or something.
I got back today!Here she is, Mossberg 590 with wood.I stained it myself with my homemade wood stain.
>>61968321Nice anon!
what red dot on picatinny would suit best for clay shooting with Benelli m4?
>>61968797I recommend a bead, simply because it offers a quicker and more open sight picture than a dot.
>>61968797Idk an Aimpoint of some kind>>61969085He can’t go with a bead on an M4
>>61967643>>61967673>>61968191>>61968218>>61968321I have an insatiable lust for a 590a1 Retro, but I know the base model 590a1 will do just as well, same with the 590, 500, and even the 88. Wat do?
>>61970330I paid $200 for my used 500 seen here >>61930404And I couldn't be happier with it. Search around locally for a used one, they can be had for $200-250 all day especially if you're paying cash
>>61970330Get the retro then. Guns are a responsibility and they take up space, so you better get the ones you really want to make the hassle worth it.
>>61970330I have a regular 590 with heat shield and it scratches my shotgun itch just right. Paid $499 but you can probably find one cheaper. It’ll eat anything you put in it and it’s had a bayonet lug.
>>61934873I kind of want that ugly POS on my Shockwave>>61935130Yes
>>61970330This maverick 88 gets cleaned once a year after 5-10 range trips, goes hunting, gets dropped into dirt, and eats all the nasty shit I've pushed through it, including steel shot. Probably approaching a 2k round count by now.
>>61970351>>61970610>>61970685>>61970817You know what it is? It's the fact that every Mossy except the 590a1 has a polymer trigger guard instead of a metal one, and I associate polymer trigger guards with less reliability. Naturally, this is a completely irrational thought, but my /k/-tism won't let me settle for anything less than that metal guard. I just gotta pony up and buy once cry once. I definitely don't want to buy the wooden model just to end up babying it. It's a shotgun, so it's gonna get used like one.
>>61938339>4 ft smoothbore barrelAt what point does it stop being a shotgun and start becoming a modern jezail?
>>61967887Who makes those white buttpads? I mean with me they'd be grey and brown minutes after getting to the range/going hunting but they do look kinda neat.
Finally bit the bullet and got a 1014, what upgrades other than the 7+1 barrel?
>>61971071gets m4doesn't know about 7+2
>>61926101Is getting a forend grip for a semiauto shotgun stupid? For better recoil control
>>61972249Meaning vertical grip
>>61972249It's less stable when aiming, including on AR's, hence why people with vfg'a still use a c-clamp grip and use the vfg as a hand stop
>>61926690>What should I do to take things to the next level?skeet and sporting. trap is literally the easiest form
>>61972249I find VFGs on shotguns to be very awkward. The only exception are pistol-grip SBSes fired from the hip, like say a Serbu Super Shorty. If we're talking about a shotgun with a stock fired from the shoulder I find the normal forend much more ergonomic.
>>61970920Those are just stock Mossberg. I think it's just the lighting in the photo - they are more tan/brown in person
>>61970892It's fine, I've considered a 590a1 mariner a few times. I just can't justify the purchase if it won't do anything my '88 won't do.
>>61973424>590a1 marinerPardon, 590* mariner. Not an a1.
>>61970892Polymer trigger guard is great. Metal trigger guard autism is old boomer fuddlore. Aluminum bends, and it’s not like anything is going to damage your trigger guard in the first place.
>>61967829>>61967645looks like a scam>>61968321>my homemade wood stain.cum?
>>61970892It’s not a bad idea. My 590 handguard will likely never break in a million years, but I’d like a metal one if I could. Though I’d be more interested in the safety. The plastic ones are insanely stiff while the a1’s metal safety is smooth.
Is the 1301 that much more different from the A300? If both are reliable, I don't see the point in paying extra for the 1301
>>61926101Guys my sears sxs 12 gauge kinda opens a little and the lever jams when i shoot 00 buck. What could be the problem
>>61973604It's a different gas system and bolt. The 1301 cycles faster for whatever that's worth. I really don't think most people can outrun semi-auto shotguns in actual practical use. You can pay extra for the 1301 if you want the BMW but getting an A300 is totally valid considering that the Toyota goes 70 MPH down the freeway just fine like every other car.
>>61926101Is it possible to build a Shorty from a 590S that uses short shells?
>>61932418Buttsauce
>>61943094Hey ive been want one lately and i wanna ask you if its worth it?
I tested some of that fiocchi ammo that says it's 00 but actually it's just No.1 buck 9 pellet. I paid like $0.46 a shell IIRC
>>61978573Compared to Hornady Critical Defense 00 9 pellet with the Versa-Tite wad (also known as the Federal Flight-Control wad, neither company owns it, they lease the use of it from the actual developer) >Note the 9th round fliers, this is exactly why a lot of people prefer 8-pellet 00
>>61977647I don't see why that wouldn't be possible, but it would make more sense to ask Serbu instead of us.
>>61936410How do you like that forend? Is it worth the price? Good lookin' shotgun anon
I'm curious about the wiki page for the Benelli M3. It says"7+1 round tubular magazine (Military)5+1 round (Civilian)"But I got mine with the big magazine already installed and the short one as an option in case I wanted to swap it. I'm not in the military.
>>61979808Wikipedia is crap for guns. Most wikipedia editors are leftist neckbeards so they don't know what they're talking about.
>>61978573That's unfortunate I'd heard some good things about patterning from shockwaves, how's the recoil on it?
>>61979808They used to only sell the military version with the 7+1 tube and you had to buy an extension for the civvie model. Iirc they stopped being gay a couple years back tho
>>61980275It's the ammo, not the gun. It's not as if the fiocchi is unacceptable, it's fine. Just depends on how tight or wide of a pattern you want.
>>61980275>Shockwave It is not. And that ammo did "fine" for the price, but look at >>61978619 for an example of better results through the exact same gun.
>>61978573>>61978619Would a choke change anything at those ranges?
>>61980368Yes but this is a 28" hunting barrel I cut in half with a hack saw. No choke here.I'm gonna back bore it with a reamer and lengthen the forcing cone, might help with cheaper ammo. It's important to note that Versa-Tite and Flight Control wads work best in a cylinder bore/no choke gun.
>>61980331Yea, I realize you shot it from a 14" Remington, I'd heard of some really tight patterning for the price(from shockwaves, obviously every shotgun is different,) and a bit of shilling for it. Did more "ok" out of your gun.
>>61980482>some really tight patterning for the priceI love how this means absolutely nothing and you don't know a single fucking thing about this subject but you're confident as all hell making statements.
>>61980482I think you're still not getting it. It's 95% ammo-related. I'd do a whole blogpost on it but these luckygunner videos explain it. Watch part 1 and 2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3haq5BFh7qs
>>61970892For what it's worth I have a new haven rebranded 500 from the 90's. The trigger pack can crack and break around the front lugs. It's a known issue. I ended up trying to fix mine by installing a metal plate with epoxy. Which worked for a time, before that failed too. Ended up replacing the whole pack from a eBay parts kit. Newer guns I would think it's less of an issue, but it is something to look for in the older ones.
Is the Panzer Turknelli M4 clone worth a shit as an actual shotgun, or just a toy?
>>61981433>Turkish>shotgun Just save for the one you really want
>>61981503>The turkshit shotgun test is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing. To save a few bucks more for a real shotgun is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To save up money for a functioning shotgun is objectively right.There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to save up for something better. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your pride and buy a turkish gun. Therefore the turkish shotgun presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it. No one will punish you for not buying a better and functioning shotgun, no one will fine you or kill you for buying such a waste of chinesium. You must save up for something better out of the goodness of your own heart. You must save up just a few bucks more because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct. A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it. The turkshit shotgun is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society.
>>61981516>Just spend $1900 instead of $350 because I said so.Fuck yourself, post your shotguns.
I think that's all my shotguns?
>>61981575>Just spend $1900 instead of $350This, but unironically. Turk shotguns are garbage, hating turkey for being turkey is fine, but that's not what this is. It's just a warning against buying something you'll experience nothing but problems with
>>61971952I have yet to try a type of ammo that will fit 7 in my Benelli. Have tried some of the most common buckshot Sad!Does anyone have data on this? What ammo type will allow max capacity?
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>>61982381Are you using roll crimp or star crimp shells? 2-3/4"?
>>61982381you have 7 round magazine? maybe limiter inside of magazine.should fit 7 2-3/4" shell 95% of time.3" with roll crimp fits 6
>>61982044what shotgun and folding stock are those on 5th?
does anyone have any experience with the diablo?
>>61978573>>61978619Thanks for the science anon. I appreciate when anons back up claims with actual proof on here
>>61986395No problem, this is actually the precursor to the science. These are my control shots. I'm going to be >Lengthening the forcing cone >Honing the chamber, forcing cone, and bore>Back-boring with a reamerAnd recording changes in velocity, pattern, subjective felt recoil, and I'll be doing that with a few different types of ammo and multiple shells of each to get a better sample size. Basically I'm turning my $90 870 barrel into a poorfag VangComp and testing results.
>>61981433Toy, you may be able to get one running well with some benelli parts put into it
>>61985006I'm not the anon that posted the pic but it looks like a Remington 870 with the factory police model folding stock PFS-87.
>>61986786>>61985006Oh, shit, sorry guys I totally missed that post.Yeah it's the steel cop top folder. The gun it's on with the wood forend is an Anchorage Alaska police shotgun, 870 wingmaster. I bought it surplus in the configuration you see it in the other post.Here's the stock on my SBS before refinishing.
>>61984962Yea I have the 7 round tube. Have tired Federal buckshot, Fiocchi, and Estate. With all those, you can feel it bottom out when you try to load the 7th shell.I know that some shells are short enough to fit full capacity, but none of the ammo types I’ve tried (I have a decent stockpile of 12ga, so I just shoot what I have)
>>61926888checked & i bought a wheelie bird from amazon for $300ishstill working well 3 years later, I see they're now close to $600 the only difference is the new ones have a battery tray, my battery just sits on the ground.I don't like the remote though, I usually just use the foot pedal. Eventhough you can set any type of delay you want, (press the button it won't throw for 5/10/15 seconds) the remote feels cheap and I can never tell if it registered and is actually going to throw. If I owned land where I could shoot, I'd save up and buy a made in the uSA Atlas thrower
>>61936410fancy party in the back, all business up frontweird combination
>>61986843A star crimp 2-3/4" is going to be the same length between a lot of manufacturers. If you can't fit 7 of them then you can't fit 7 of anything 2-3/4"
>>61986915It *almost* fits 7. Think If I found shells that were a cunthair shorter it’d probably work. I know other people fit 7 in theirs. I’ll just keep looking I guess. If I find one that works, I’ll post it.
>>61986943My mossbergs are 7+1 and *almost* fit 8 in the tube. Your tube is a 6 rounder buddy, or has a plug.
>>61986943How long is your follower? That might be an issue.
>>61926690>dt11thats so pedestrian reach for the stars, get a sl2
>>61986951Well there’s nothing special about mine…It’s the regular benelli m4 LE 7rd tube. Marketed as 7+1. I Don’t see why mine would be any different… all OEM parts. This is a common issue that people have.
>>61986951Or he's using roll crimp ammo and hasn't tested it as diligently as he claims. Although any walmart bird shot would fit.
>>61986992Was just asking if any other m4 owner knew off the top of their head which buckshot will allow max capacity. Not claiming to have tested super diligently or anything. (Just the few brands that I already have in my stash. I mostly shoot buck and slugs)
>>61987058>slugsThere's one fucking problem, slugs are almost universally roll crimp. Here, I made you a simple guide
>>61987202Cheap buckshot like ZALA, Black Aces, etc... is usually roll crimp.
>>61986843disassemble magazine, maybe something inside spring housing
>>61987202I have 6 rounds of that federal tactical buckshot loaded in the tube rn lol. It’s still too long. I assume the black shell on the left is the Mil stuff. From the pic, it looks a bit shorter, so I’ll give that a try. If anything would work, you’d think it’d be the milspec buckshot.I appreciate the effort, and I’m sorry if I did a poor job explaining and made myself sound retarded. It’s not as simple as roll crimp vs star crimp (most of my buckshot is star crimped) I think the benelli tube is a bit shorter than others advertised as 7+1. Some euro shit maybe (+18” barrel limitation)
>>61987222just tested zala ipsc line slugs in my m4, fits 7 but maybe not even 1mm extra space left.
shomntgonne
Okay, here me out... I want to attach an IFAK onto a shotgun stock. This way I have a full "bump in the night kit" attached to the one thing I grab when I go to clear the basement in my socks and birthdaysuit >mossman scattergat >esstac side saddle >streamlight on tube mount >small IFAK on buttstockHas anyone else done this? Thinking of pic related buts it's $70 bucks just for a pouch and some foam cheekriser inserts? Any recommendations?
>>61982381>>61986943Mine holds 7 super-x slugs in the tube, barely. It wouldn't from factory, a lot of high brass loads were 6+1 with the factory spring. I could fit 7 with target loads, 6 with everything high brass. The fix? I replaced the factory spring with a wolff m4 spring from freedom fighter tactical and it went from being a half inch away from holding 7, to holding 7 of anything 2 3/4" long I've tried so far. It's tight, but mine holds 7 of everything now. It worked for me and should for you.Non-target-load 2 3/4in shells are longer and that's a fact, but assuming your m4 parts are the same dimensions as mine which they should be, your M4 WILL hold 7+2 if you get the spring replaced.I hope I can bring a few people's blood pressure down if you are dealing with the same problem and as frustrated as me with the threads full of non answers out there.
>>61988058This is exactly the type of info I was looking for. Thanks!
>>61988072The spring was the issue for me whether I had the 1 or 2 piece it came with. The coils of the spring are touching by the time you try get the 7th in, so good luck overpowering that metal on metal without a press or something. >>61988081I copy pasted that info across probably 5 or 6 benelli m4 related forums because NOBODY had a straight answer across the whole internet at the time.
>Buy $2000 shitgun because "It da best" >It can't even load a full mag>Nobody expects a $2000 shotgun to be dysfunctional out of the box so getting advice is a nightmare Kek, amazing
>>61988098No reliability issues from the aftermarket spring? I wanted to keep mine all OEM, but it’s probably worth it to go from 6 to 7 with actual good defensive ammo
>>61988145This just comes with the Benelli territory lmao. It’s also a pain in the ass (and wallet) to replace all the import cuck parts if you’re unable to find an LE model.Value wise, if your being pragmatic, it’s probably not worth it. I just always wanted one (mostly bc of movies and games), and I have to say it always puts a smile on my face. It’s also been the most reliable semi-auto shotgun I’ve ever used. It’s eaten everything I’ve ran through it (including some very light trap loads). I hope my grandkids will have it someday <3
>>61988222No problems, and I've shot plenty of skeet etc with it. I'm not sure if the thing's ever had a single jam. >>61988273Yeah, it gets to be a bit much to turn it fully functional. Count on spending hundreds more at minimum depending on your base model.
Someone bought a RIA shotgun and it fired when he racked a round in the chamber. https://www.postandcourier.com/columbia/news/palmetto-armory-lawsuit-gun-malfunctions-columbia-sc/article_d645e044-3494-11ef-94bf-7ff25ce3bef9.htmlCould it have been a slamfire? Are RIA shotguns prone to failures?
>>61988953>Are low-end guns known for QC issuesyes you retard
>>61926721there are 2 instances a shell sling is usefulwhen its a nice, leather one that just holds 2-4 shells or so on the outside of the shoulder slingother instance is if you are a cop in an armored car firing tons of rubber bullets at a crowd and the extra capacity of rubber shells outweighs the cons of the slingthey are uncomfortable, bulky, get in the way, and are extremely hard to unload from, plus they weigh a ton when filledi fell for the meme thinking it would be useful when i was 19 and got a shotgun, just get the 5-6 shell velcro holders and attach it to the side of the shotgun, 100x more useful
>>61970721but thats heckin illegal anon!just go buy a mossberg maverick, get the 2 barrel combo one and sell the hunting barrel on ebay, makes the cost of the shotgun altogether like $160its only like 2 inches longer than a shockwave and you can legally throw that stock on it and not worry about the feds killing your dog
>>61988953>Are RIA shotguns prone to failures?the flip made ones werent but most of the shotguns they sell currently are rebranded turkshit since ria are the importer.
>>61970892the polymer trigger guard is definitely a weak point in the maverick but its also $200 and basically a mossberg 500, its ultra reliable and the price cannot be beatenid get one before trump wins and puts tariffs in place, the tariffs will make them worthless
>>61986014cope gun, no reason to get one unless you arent in americaits black powder and just a way to let people carry relatively modern weapons despite the backwards lawsjust get a taurus judge or a mossberg shockwave, 10x better guns than the diablo
>>61988953every single RIA shotgun is turkshit and all the turkshit shotguns are made in the same 'factory', they just go to different 'companies' that add the furniture and some engravings, then they get sold en masse for like $25-$50 a gunthey are all horrible pieces of shit and shouldnt be trusted, big issue TFBtv found was they all claim to be rated for 3" magnums but every single 3" magnum fired in a turkshit shotgun has nearly made it explode
