post how you're feelingpost what you're shootinthis is what I'm feeling — I feel that the Romeo5 pairs up nicely/perfectly with the MPX. Gave it the T2 look I was yearning for, for a fraction.
>>61927946I don’t know man. An MPX or any PCC for that matter only makes sense to me in full auto. 2 grand? Fuck me. And then $800 for the flux raider? If they were cheaper more people would be on board but for now your average dude can’t justify the cost.
>>61928177>2k dollarswat
>>61927946>born too late to be a 635>born too soon to be a euro hypebeast
>>61927946>post how you're feeling
>>61928177the worst part is that almost all of them are direct blowback and offer nothing new mechanically. almost all PCCs feel the exact fucking same to me, just a hypebeast market that gets fucked on by an 11.5" AR carbine
I feel happy.
>>61928177>>61930218why do you fucking post 2020 gun owning instagram min maxxers have to say this shit every thread? Nobody cares, some people enjoy guns and dont care about practicality. They are just fun and cheap to shoot, how hard is that to understand?
>>61928177U r gay or broke, possibly both. Recommend seeking immediate pussy and perhaps a burger
>>61930218CMMG's radial delay BCG works really well, especially if you can tune the buffer, although you have to use their barrels.
Do I belong here or in /msg/
>>61930218>calls PCCs “hypebeast” >while shilling for short ARs, the hypebeast larper’s weapon of choice Let people enjoy things you goofy nigger. And we all know they’re mostly direct blowback. Nobody gives a shit. I hate dumb knowitall niggers like you who pop up anywhere gun related to regurgitate facts that are common knowledge within the community like you’re saying something profound. I would unironically use that nerd emoji if this was a normie site
>>61933807The mechanical operation of a firearm is more interesting to me than shooting at garbage cheaply. Don't get me wrong, that's fun too, but if that's all you're after just get a fucking hi-point carbine and call it a day.>>61933996That's actually a pretty interesting modification of the AR bolt.
>>61934058What if I told you that you can shoot at trash while also enjoying a variety of different guns?
>>61934071I'm willing to bet I own more guns than you
>>61934086I don’t care if you do. Telling people to just buy a hi point carbine if they want to shoot at trash is a gay and retarded take.
>>61934058There are some really cool PCCs that don't suck:CMMG (as discussed)H&K MP5 or cloneSig MPXAngstadt MDP-9 Gen 2Mean Arms Bearing Delay UpperB&T APC9But yeah I'd never buy a straight blowback AR9 personally.
>tfw you finally get a proper surplus A3 stock for your buildmade the trip to europe a whole lot more convenient I tell you whut
>>61934119>Mean Arms Bearing Delay UpperMan this is a weird design. I might have to pick one up.
>>61934195>Mean Arms Bearing Delay UpperIt's basically "what if we made an MP5 in an AR form factor" which is also the idea behind the MDP-9.
>>61934195I remain concerned about abnormal wear caused by those bearings
>>61933807>>61933975>get jew’d out of your money for stupid shit>know very well you got conned but still make several thread shilling about it>”I-I just like it okay?!”Fuck it, it’s your money though but it’s my entertainment to laugh at your types
>>61934392Okay have fun seething over range toys.
Very easy to burn through 300 rounds rather quickly with this thing but its a ton of fun and the ammos cheap in comparison to rifle rounds.
>>61935249Nice
>>61928177as an ex MPX owner i have to say the gun is very finnicky and shockingly inaccurate
>>61934392>"Jewed" >can flip it on armslist or tacswap for like 1.5x the price you seen like one of those guys who cannot bring himself to buy an accessory worth more than 300 dollars.
luv me zenith z5rsluv me b&t tp9luv me marlin 1894
>>61928177>ammo is much cheaper >ammo is much quieter so less concerns about the REEE slowly getting worse and worseI started actually shooting more recently and now I'm really looking at a pcc...
>>61928177Just get a Stribog SP9A3 for half the cost.
I own 3 PCCs, they are so much fun bros. Especially suppressed, someone actually asked me what I was shooting once because it was so quiet for them.
>>61937908How do you like that UTG rail? I’ve been thinking about one but 1) it’s so ugly and 2) UTG just makes me think of airshit. Back when KAC rails and their integrated optic mounts were like $500 for the whole package I kept passing on them and now they’re way too expensive, and I like that these are monolithic.
>>61938137I really like it, haven't had any issues with it yet. It's also not your typical UTG crap, it's by Leapers. I personally think it looks good, but you can't beat the classic mp5 look huh?
>>61935005he can cope and sneed all he wants but the FBI went back to 9mm for a reason: it's because it actually fuckin' rocks now
>>61940263I thought the fedbois went back to 9mm because female agents couldn't handle god's caliber or 10mm.
>>61940416nah it's because 9mm projectiles have gotten a ton more advanced than they were in the 1980s and so they determined there's no benefit to .45 ACP or 10mm over the 9mm.
>>61940554By that logic those advancements in ballistics would also apply to 45 and 10mm
>>61940566correct, and that's great for departments who don't have budget to switch over to 9mm from .40 S&W, but the advances are such that there is no functional performance difference in human-sized targets. Additionally .45 and .40 have reduced capacity vs 9mm.
>>61940566Its that 9mm became hot enough that its low recoil negates most advantages .45 and 10mm have as there's now negligible differences until you get to actual magnums and even then you're talking hand cannons. Its not that 10mm or .45 didn't get more lethal, its like 22lr in that lethal enough is going to absorb 90% of the market for that round and everyone else copes with scraps.
>>61937908The gay little cutouts on this brace really bother me. Like who in the fuck comesnup with that
>>61937908>>61941976It's otherwise a nice brace, but is there a buttpad that can successfully turn it into a stock after Form 1? I know the endcap can accept the B&T and UMP stocks but I know I won't be able to get rid of the brace.
What's the nicest looking brace for MP5?
>>61940416FBI did, but a lot of it also boils down to cost of the service life of the handgun and ammo. Back when the FBI still carried .40, if you were a remedial shooter they would take your G23 and give you a G17. If you still couldn’t qual, you’d get recycled to the next class. I always thought going to your field office and needing 9mm ammo at the range was like telling everyone you were a tard. My former agency still uses .40 and won’t even authorize 9mm for backup guns.
does my Uzi Pro count
>>61942245it's called Form 1
>>61942338>2000 dollar gun>basic bitch stock>5 dollar vert grip>20 dollar red dot>fucking linear comp
>>61942643Yep shoots good too. The linear comp is so no one shoots their fingers off shooting it. Its a fun gun. also saying 'basic bitch' is weird
>>61942681>also saying 'basic bitch' is weirdno its not, you're just mad i said mean things about you gun. at least get a folding stock
>>61942701folding wire stock*
>>61927946>gen1 railvgh>>61937326Really? What sort of accuracy were you getting out of it. Wanted to pick one up because of BF4, wouldnt be for anything serious just a cool gun i wantmight just get an mp5 instead...
>>61942588no thanks
>>61942701>>61942713It does fold. Its a Midwest Industries folder. Yes I didnt appreciate your commentd. Grown men saying 'basic bitch' is still weird.
>>61942841Please ignore my comments about saying 'basic bitch'. Its irrelevant. Again I just got my feelings hurt lol. What kinda optic you think I should put on there. The vertical grip and linear compensator are staying as is. I like the generic AR15 stock on the folder but am open to suggestions.
>>61942892meprolight m21
>>61942179keep the brace so it can remain a "pistol" and thus eligible for ccw
>>61934392Lol I paid a 1000 per my MP5s. I have shot each with well over 40k rounds and they keep going. I feel happy that 1) I can buy what I want as a red blooded American, 2) don't have to seethe about the cost of ammo or worry about the cost of the guns I shoot lmao
>>61942956based. thank you. now get a giggle at my AR15s. I know youll laugh. we all do
>>61943063Damn, good call. Probably varies by state but would that be safe in a sort of bag?
>>61940554This is a lie. There were adequate projectiles in the 1980s.
>>61943213if purse carry is legal don't see why backpack carry wouldn't also be legal>>61943226Hornady Critical Defense/Duty did not exist in the 1980s retard-kun
>>61943375The strap can go around the receiver and not get in the way of the ejection or mag either. It's quick to undo and extend. Perfect for the gym bag
I was gonna get a tiny 300blk but I decided it's too close in size and weight to my 16" AR to be worth it, so now I want a tiny, light PCC in 9mm.Looking very hard at the Stribog SP9 A3S, with an aftermarket lower to accept common cheap Scorpion mags and probably a meme binary trigger. Stock, it's a full pound lighter than the APC9K, and the MPX doesn't seem to have any real benefit over it. Is the SP9A3S as good as it seems to be?
>>61942245Keeping secrets
>>61942701>goofy nigger can’t see the hinge where it folds
>>61944155If a tiny 300 isn't tiny enough, shouldn't you be thinking grip mag guns instead of only saving one inch with those front mag pccs?
GayTF needs to give me my can already.
>>61944241It's more than 1", closer to 3" if you look at the smallest 300 options like the Rattler LT. Then there's the weight.I have looked at grip mag guns, and I'm just not thrilled with the choices desu. Flux raider seems absolutely fucking retarded to me, the TP9 seems meh, USW and USW-G seem ok. I don't like the Uzi/Mac, and I don't want anything straight blowback anyway. Any other options I'm missing?
>>61941976That's why I wrap mine all fancy like.
>>61944261first one I got was approved in 21 hours, and then the second one in 21 days. Also how are you liking that rovyvon?
>>61944261A right delayed is a right denied.
>>61944957okay now throw a temper tantrum, I'm sure it'll get approved faster
>>61928177You are dumb. Pcc steel challenge shooting is awesome and if you're not useless you can put together a working fun pcc for right under 400 dollars.
>>61934058Your takes are shit and nobody should help you. hi point pcc glad to know that's your level, that's your "just as good" that shows exactly how much you know.
>>61934195Lots of reported issues, extraction mainly somehow
>>61928177>I don't know man but you owning guns only makes sense to me I full auto. That's right you don't know. Fuck you.
>>61934028Why not both?>>61937908Barrel length? How quiet? What silencer? What ammo? Curious as I'm looking at getting one "eventually"
>>61927946Anyone put a silencer on one of these? Thinking about it.>>61929117Nice.
>>61945190>8.9">extremely quiet with subsonic ammunition, haven't tried it with 124 gr. Honestly my favorite suppressor host.>CGS mod 9, apparently it's getting discontinued though, and right after I got it, so fuck me >Freedom munitions HUSH 147gr
>>61945246Shootable without ear pro?
>>61945259with subsonics, definitely. With supers? Maybe...? I never tried though.
Luv em, I have a hard time sticking with modern MP5 or just slick classic MP5
>>61945342Same, after having mine and going between a dozen configurations, I'm just returning to the die hard look or something. Also, where exactly does the stock tab into?
>>61945227Ty anon that definitely helps me out.
>>61944490what did you use?
Any PMX owners? I've been liking mine.
>>61945393I always end up just sticking an A2 stock on it with a wide handguard, maybe an A3 if I really want it to look cool but A2 is just so much more comfy. The B&T stock doesn’t tab into anything, that cutout on it is just a cutout that lines up with the rails on a B&T APC9>>61945545I really wanted one but my state went cuck mode so now I can’t buy one unless I leave
>>61927946> I feel like I hate communists> Communists>>61929117Fumkin Based>>61934028You belong on reddit..>>61945227Sheeit he got dat heater thang yahnawwatImehn.
what's the most disgusting PCC/PDW you can make regardless of legality?
>>61940554>>61941298why can't we take this a step further and create an even lighter, faster, smaller bullets than the 9mm?
>>61945637anything Cobray makes.
>>61945615Haven't gotten a Hi-Point carbine so I'm curious if it's really worth trying to silence it if I did buy one. I was going to ask to shoot a guy's Hi-Point carbine with the ammo I had with me for my Beretta on my hip in exchange for letting him shoot one of my guns but his Hi-Point carbine was no shit in .40 so I still really don't know how they feel to shoot. And now it looks like my LGS that I get my silencers through is going to close up so fuck me. I don't want to have to drive an hour+ to get to a store that still doesn't have a range to let me play with pending form 4s and charges even more and has a shittier system.All I'm looking for is a cheap PCC for shooting cheap ammo. 22LR is fun but it can only do so much. I want some variety.
>>61945653.32 ACP is amazing. .327 mag is amazing. simply make a .32 rimmless mag.
>>61945655Dont do it bro. No matter how much makeup you put on a pig, so on, so on. All it will do is make you look like a baboon or baboon wannabe. Just buy a nice AR style PCC, or get CX4 rifle so you can use the berretta mags
God I love this gun
>>61945677Who doesnt. Roller delayed is king again since flowthroughs are better now.
>>61945655try a sub 2000 or a ruger pc charger instead of a hi point. single stack PCCs are fucking retarded
Mp5s are so fucking overrated and gay. I don't care what you cock suckers think. Fuck you.
>>61945725>single stack PCCs are fucking retardedI don't disagree but I'd like something to dick with while I tinker with a different PCC to make it into what I want. Hi-Point happens to be the cheapest and the only thing I want to do is throw said silencer on it as well as a dot I already have. It's not going to be a $1k Hi-Point by any means.
>>6194573060 years later and they're still the nicest shooting PCCs on the market
>>61945747Do it or dont. But all of us are telling you not to buy that Junkopop blacktivities rifle. That gun is for section 8 housing, and 18 year old trailer dwellers who just got thrown out by their parents.
>>61945747Every dollar into that could go into "tinkering" a real subgun but alright
>>61944134based h&k magazine loading enjoyer
>>61945637a mp9 that fires 5.7, and mp7 doesn't count.
>>61945878there's like a dozen mp7 clones that fires 5.7, although I don't know if any of them are as light and small as the mp9.
>>61945878A P90 in .50 GI. actually nevermind that sounds cool.
>>61943174Looks fine but y airsoft optic
>>61945615Kill yourself nocarbine
>>61946025Thats a fucking Destroyer Carbine that killed more commies than you will ever meet. Have some respect, liberal.
Going super safe
>>61945845I hate that answer as much as I like it. Fuck. Guess I should buy more 22 and just get what I want in the first place. I really don't want to have to find a smith that will put up with the retarded work I want done but fuck it.
>>61944929The Rovyvon suffers from potential QC issues same as most chink devices, I sent my initial one back for crooked mount and dirty laser issues but the new one they sent out is much better in both regards. It’s a pretty compelling package for a sub gun or PDW.
does anyone have trigger time or knowledge of the PSA H&R 635 16" carbines
>>61945769they really are and I regret purchasing the kp9 first
>>61947714I broke one of the turrets on mine because I was retarded and they let me keep it and sent me another one for free lol
>>61945526"Camo wrap tapes" from amazon. I'm sure there are better more permanent options but this woj48mk2rks.
>>61942643>>61942701woman posting
>>61927946my baby's got roller dent. Going to get a work order from PTR. Anyone sent anything to them for warranty work? What kind of turnaround am I lookin at?
>>6194432220/20 serms to be the favored brace. Very small form factor, is 100 bucks instead of 800 and works with glocks, P80s and even I think 1911s or some not glocks now.
>>61945011Yeah the Bearing Delay is even harder on the extraction spring than the CMMG Banshee, which already is pretty hard on it. The CMMG Dissent fixed the problem with a fixed extractor, although the down side is you can't tune that last 10-20% of soft shootingness because the Dissent has a bufferless design. But I think the RDB system is already pretty damn soft for a 9mm PCC even without tuning. I would recommend the Dissent or MDP-9 over the Bearing Upper, although I haven't heard feedback on the MDP-9's long term reliability yet.
I love my cx4 but I'm in a need for an optic. Any sub $200 pistol or rifle red dots worth looking at that are 3-4moa?
>>61948132The Ronins are sub 100 and seemingly good but I think theyre 2 moa
>>61945227Is that the retro repro Hipoibt announced ? How are they I wonder
>>61948106I've done it twice for my PTR91. First time it took about 4 weeks. Second time, I sent them an email after 6 weeks of nothing. They got back to me and said they just had the box laying around and just didn't look at it until my email. They got it to me within that week or so.
>>61934186Wait the border customs didnt fuck you over for bribing that to US?
>>61948272>Second time, I sent them an email after 6 weeks of nothing.I got some guy named "Rocky" dealing with my issue via email. There was a month long gap between my inquiry/photos and an assessment, making me fear for how long it would take these guys to fix my shit. It's not even 'broken', the dent is barely there I just want it looked at before it grows into something unmanagable.
>>61948274If he's just transporting the buttstock, then there is no issue whatsoever.
>>61948297Rocky is who I got the second time too yeah. At some point in between emails I got an automated one back about him being on vacation, probably related to how they just missed my rifle. He didn't take that long on intial inquiries, and frankly I've never had them ask for photos or an assessment; they just ask for the usual RMA information and then the label shortly after. At any rate, we're just kinda at their mercy. Just stay on him if it takes more than a month or so.
>>61944155Looks like the most decent one under a thousand. Maybe get a 300 upper instead of all extras
>>61948324>At any rate, we're just kinda at their mercy.that's what I've learned asking local gunsmiths abt it. No one (around here) wants to touch roller guns with dent issues.
>>61945246Yeah but the newer one is probably gonna be 2x price for some titanium -2oz shit so your good
>>61948322>>61948274correct, non regulated parts on their own can be freely transportedI just chuck'em in the checked bagagge and that's it
>>61948106What caused the dent?
>>61948415using a gassy af suppressor with a 100 degree locking piece (when I should be using 80 for canned shooting) and a brace whose internals weren't absorbing the recoil correctly. all this added up to the bolt hitting the rear of the gun too hard, which leads to a dent. No jams/feed issues have occurred yet, would like it addressed before I resume shooting.
>>61948336I took mine to a gunsmith once and after two weeks he basically didn't touch it and still wanted money, so might as well suck it up and send it to PTR for free. I don't really want to shoot it anymore since .308 is so expensive anyways lol.But this is a subgun thread, I've heard worse things about their MP5s, so I got the POF one. It's ugly as sin but has given my no issues. But if it does kill itself, that's my excuse to get a PTR MP5k. I don't even know who to send this off to if it needs work lol
>>61948458I thought only the ap5k needed the 80 degree locking piece?
>>61933975>>61935249Based 2020 enjoyers
>>61948467The guy from PTR recommended that if I'm using a can that I should use a 80 degree piece. I understand that the ap5k uses the 80 degree locking piece because it has a shorter bolt travel distance, so it doesn't need to go as fast. The lower the degrees, the slower the bolt velocity. in my case, 100 degrees + gassy can + shit brace = bad time brought on by velocity..
>>61948490okay, I might grab one for my full size ap5 just in case too... if I can ever find one in stock. I'm running a CGS mod 9 with mine with 147gr, so would suck ass if mine started getting dents
>>61948496the third element of my shitstorm was the stock/brace. I had this thing on when I got the dent, and examining the interior of the brace shows basically nothing for the bolt to slam against when you shoot. Where the interior of my new A3 stock has a fat cone of rubber. Worth noting.
>>61948541oh wow that's weird, thanks for the info
>>61948541which A3 stock did you get? My SBT5 has the little blue pad. Not much but it's not nothing, unlike my A2 stock which is literally just a metal flat face.
Posting my scav blaster
>>61948574https://hkparts.net/all-parts/mke-hk-mp5-retractable-buttstock/I went with MKE.
>>61948581Looks sweet. how much did that whole package set you back?
>>61948599KP9: $750ish (like 3 years ago)Furniture (handguard, grip, brace): $250 totalLight (came with accessories): $100507Comp: $369 (I pre-ordered)
>>61942338chad oozi pro enjoyer. Got mine when they were still like $1000. Not worth the fuddbroker prices now.
>>61948630that's really not that bad, damn. I've always wanted a really short AK but getting a 7 inch 223 sounds ridiculous.
>>61948581How the fuck do you hold this, slip your fingers between the light and rail?
>>61944155Been interested in a similar setup. The a3s tends to be a lot more reliable than the straight mag versions were, which were definitely problematic. Id still question if they're reliable enough with JHP to count on but that's gonna depend on your exact example and what JHPs you're running. Unfortunately to this day all the euro manufacturers are designing their subguns around FMJ. Whether it's H&K, B&T, or Stribog, they all tend to be less reliable with JHP.
>>61948272how much did it cost to have PTR fix your rifle?
>>61948806Zero dollars, it's their warranty. I sent the 91 like 1 and then maybe 4 years after I got it with no questions asked.
>>61948857Hot damn, what a cool day to learn this.
>>61948261Yeah the 995 Classic. I think they've been out for years. Threaded barrel comes standard too which is nice considering its price.
>>61948334>Just get a 300 upper.Hm maybe, I'd definitely need an SBR stamp for that but I suppose it's fairly easy now.>>61948799I was thinking I might just run frangibles if JHPs didn't feed well, but I'd definitely put at least a few mags of federal HST through it to ensure reliable feeding.
I like my scorpion, its fun lead spitter.Bad purchase economically though.
>>61949987barely recognized it as a scorpion. almost got one instead of my MP5, they're cool. You can still slap the charging handle forward right? Might still get one since it's got that and LRBHO
>>61948648are they even worth it at 1000 tho?
>>61949987This whole thing down the 3D print line looking mags kinda makes me want to bubbafuck a scorp, neat looking more like a regular blocky euro carbine than the 90s fish gun look it has naturally.
>>61950024yes, its just on other side for fuckknow reason, i reload it in a retard way. As for mp5, i plan on getting one, but theyre fuckton expensive where i live (~3 and 1/2 scorpions for one mp5)>>61950076go for it, but its a barbie-type gun that you'll end up accessorizing for amount of money closing to the worth of the gun itself (I've exchanged basically everything that didnt had serial number stamped on, due to law). I regret nothing though, would do it again.
>>61950120Well I've got about 400ish dollars on a 100 dollar brace kit strapped to a 400 dollar P80 I made 4 years ago so lipstick on pigs is my thing.
>>61950120Damn, they're cool but not worth that much really. Also, do you remember where you got that gooseneck picatnny adapter, I have the same on my MP5 but can't remember where I got it lol.
>>61950173proceipestki.pl/produkt/magpul-szyna-ris-m-lok-polymer-cantilever-rail-light-mount-mag587/>magpul mlok cantilever railwould probably be the keywords you need to check
>>61950030from my experience, yes.
>>61949987Scorpio lookin' sick brah. Need the pmag 50 rounder
>>61950030Yes. I'm the first Uzi Pro poster. I got it for $1600. I just wanted it. It's a heavy goofy pistol but with a brace its perfect.
>>61948648Hey it looks great! one day Ill get a proper optic and can for mine.
I'll die made that sig was never able to sell these
>>61950936the NFA is big gay, but sig is extra retarded for thinking that would be OK.
>>61950936>>61951036Can I get a QRD on this? What's the basic gestalt?
>>61935249>easy to burn through 300 rounds rather quickly with this thingis that how many it takes to hit the target?
>>61951117just look at it
>>61951148I see what appear to be baffles. If a gun owner were to screw a can over them, it would probably create a silencing effect when firing the firearm. If the gun owner didn't register the device with the ATF prior to screwing the can on, then the gun owner would be in violation of the NFA.
>>61951173good boy you figured it out
>>61951173correct. Sig called tried calling it a muzzle brake.
>>61951252Baste.
posting my babe. Also got a G3 just for good roller delayed measure.
>>61948458WTF? A full size mp5 needing an 80 degree bolt? I've never heard of this till now. What can was it?
>>61953281GSL Pheonix.
>>61950936based sig for saber rattling at the ATF with this dumb horse shit
>>61948490Damn.
>>61951147I can do holes on holes at 100 feet, good enough for me.
>>61948106My old PTR got roller dent in under 100 rounds because of the magazines that were shipped with the gun where sitting too high and PTR told me I shouldn't have been using those mags and to eat shit they won't fix it. I put it up for consignment a few towns over and was done with it.
>>61956035>the magazines that were shipped with the gun where sitting too highwait those transparent smokey looking magazines that suck and don't work? they actually fucking break the gun? I never used them, bought a pile of MKE magazines when i got the ptr in the first place, didn't realize they could be harmful. interesting.
>>61956056Ya those ones. I took the gun out shooting before I bought any other mags. After I sent it to warranty inspection they changed me for shipping and labor (for inspecting the gun) before they would send me the gun back too. Their original proposal was "we can sell you a new receiver at cost".
>>61956070jesus dude that is a terrible experience. hope you made most of that cash back reselling it.
>>61956070Wow, good to know. I will never buy a PTR firearm. Never planned to, but definitely won't now.
>>61927946
>>61956227Unbelievably sexy, and probably the best firearm in the world for firing 45 subsonics. This is what the UMP should have been.
>>61956227>3k>threaded barrel>like UMP but not a fat bitch about itmight be worth
>>61956293>>61956300It needs a wood stock
>>61956227Is that the one with the hilariously bad accuracy issues?
>>61956334you're thinking of the Sig MPX.
>>61956337NTA. I also heard these things were sometimes coming out at like 8-9MOA
>>61956300GP just released a .45 variant of the stribog, zero reason to buy the SMG45
>>61956101I am now happily married to this Turkish gal.
>>61956661stribog is ugly tho
>>61956714how much did it cost to chop that barrel down, or did you buy it short like that?
>>61957003The deep rumblings of autists who have traveled this journey before me said CMMG barrels and breaks could have tolerance stacking issues so I went to get mine cut.I had Tros do it and it cost me $195 + shipping to him (return shipping included in his pricing). He does good work but he will take 3x the quoted time to do anything and will not be responsive. He quoted me 6 weeks. The last like 2 months of waiting was me riding his ass and he didn't even send me a tracking label when he did send it. It was 30 days for stamp + just under 6 months for the barrel to leave my possession and return to me.Then I got a NOS gen 1 break from a local police armory.
>>61957112jfc, what a journey. Thanks for the tip.
>>61956300>>3kImpact has it at $2200https://www.impactguns.com/other-handguns/lwrc-smg-45-45-acp-8-5-barrel-black-sbt-brace-25rd-850006403509-smgpb45b8s
is this damn 635 too expensive or just plain goofy, so few reviews on it. Maybe it sucks.
>>61957176The price is so high that it both scares of people with a passing interest in retro builds, and pushes the real austists into just building their own. And there's no shortage of the former selling their unfinished build parts to the latter.
>>61957176https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Colt-635-/23-518899/very first google result is a bunch of fudds talking shit about it. Make of that what you will.
>>61957176H&R may be a PSA brand but they don't have to play by all of PSAs rules. So they don't send out nearly as many reviews copies as PSA's in house products.H&R makes solid guns it's just they're priced 3x times what PSA's average clientele want to pay for a gun that PSA actually sells for 3x less.I'm personally waiting for the DOE clone but I heard that got delayed so might just pick up the new pistols.>Also blah blah blah "doesn't take meh Glock mags""
There is no reason for pccs since 300 blk exists
>>61956714Mmm fat 4channer guy toes...
>>61957362What all is in that build, and is it ODG?
>>61957362A very common, and very incorrect and unnuanced view.PCCs are still able to be more compact AND lighter weight than 300BLK SBRs. 300 is not capable of achieving its full potential out of a 5" barrel, doesn't suppress as well as 9mm out of extremely short barrels, and the ammunition is significantly more expensive.PCCs/SMGs niche in actual military usage has been taken over by small 300s for the most part, but as a range blaster you couldn't be more wrong.Nicr rattler though, been considering getting one of the new rattler LT models.
>>61957395I will not adhere to such slander. Verification not required.
>>61957362Okay let me know when a sub 12-13 inch 300 BO gun exists that's not garbage.
>>61957448
I have a 9mm ar but the thing is super unreliable and stove pipes like a mother fucker. It's also a 16" barrel and has heavy rails and stuff. I have a 10.5" 5.56 but looking for a carbine for even smaller size and ammo price, although i have considered getting a folding brace adapter and a suppressor and having that at bedside. I have a glock 45 and was considering one of these conversion kits. Does anyone have experience with or recommendations for any of these? $300-350 seems reasonable and then that would likely be my bedside gun, or are there issues with them that make going with a typical carbine more worth it? Pic related is the Recover Tactical P-IX, i had also seen the MCK micro conversion kit but i'm sure there are many others.
>>61957692Pic related is the rock river arms one i currently have that has always had issues. I thought it may have been from steel 9mm but still had problems with few brass types i tried. Not sure whats causing the problem but don't not sure it's worth figuring it out anyways
>>61946082is this actually full auto with a stamp or some kind of legal workaround?
>>61947850How do you feel about KP9 apart from not being an MP5? Basically, I can't bring myself to buy an mp5 that says made in Turkey, nor can I bring myself to spend twice as much for one that says made in Germany. So within those limits, I was looking at the kp9.
>>61957235>>61957176All these fudd complaints are just them being retarded.If you want to get one just get one, look into the GRS setups and find a config that works for you. I did a GRS setup for my doe here: >>61929117 and it works great. Standard AR9 setups generally just use a longer heavy buffer and it makes it awful to shoot. The GRS configurations make it so much nicer.
>>61957448Was thinking about getting one in 380 acp
>>61957875Why not get an mp5 from usa? Zenith is good, if you buy their newer stuff. They make it in the USA now
>>61958457It is very fun but I agree. Buy one of the other 3 calibers. Mine is a picky bitch that only eats 73gr. Also I've broken 2 firing pins.
>>61957875>can't bring myself to buy an mp5 that says made in Turkey, nor can I bring myself to spend twice as much for one that says made in Germany.So suffer I guess
>>61933975What are the complications of putting a big suppressor on the end of a tilting barrel pistol?
>>61958621If it makes you feel any better Germany is full of Turks now so they're basically the same thing.
>>61958633it'll be heavier, might need to change recoil springs to accommodate, that's all i can think of
>>61958637Lol I have an AP5k it was an easy equation for me. Easily my favorite gun to shoot the trigger is my only minor gripe I have with it.
>>61958571Can they not be dry fired?
>>61956227I have an airsoft version of this gun and I fucking hate it because of how much the magazine gets in your way. Fuck 10mm PCCs
>>61953239>Spending 550 dollars on a stock+stampRetard alert
guys I really want a MAT9, I already have a .30 suppressor and this would scratch an itch
>>61958925They should be able to but apparently they had a few runs of bad pins circa 2018-2019 when I bought the thing. First lin broke after 150 rounds. 2nd pin broke in less than 50(supplied via warranty). And I ended up buying 2 more and haven't had issues since. I didn't dry it fire excessively. Like a gun at any gun store would have seen way more dry fire in even a week.
Even if it’s fudd as fuck, this things fun as hell.
>>61945661Isn't that what .30super carry is? It's a .311 bullet diameter right? I'd rock a 40+rd g33 9x19 mag full of these and not feel outgunned.
>>61958962any reliability issues?
>>61935249>>61948469>>61933975how do you like these kits? Ive heard they are kind of shit and youre better just getting a PCC
>>61959127Only time I had a problem was with an off brand 33 round Glock mag that jammed every 4th round or so… but it was a 16$ Amazon special. No problems with the actual Glock mag
>>61945342How do you like your TP9? I’m thinking about buying one to form 1 and suppress. I like that it’s a compact design with the magazine in the grip and that it isn’t a simple blowback action.
>>61959220I have one and love it
>>61959220I love it. It’s really lightweight, compact, and handy
>>61957706The money would be better spent either getting your RRA running, getting a new upper for it, or getting a new PCC. Don't twist your pistol into a crude mockery of a PCC when you already have one that needs help.
>>61957362Where's the eotech faggot. Iron sights on that dumb bitch?0psxasdtxv
>>61957706What this anon said >>61959605 It's wasteful to abandon projects you've started. I would know I have like five that I would've finished by now if I hadn't bought other guns that I never shoot. Straight mag ARs are sick and there's a lot of literature out there on troubleshooting them despite their relative obscurity.
>>61945342>>61959379TP9 is probably the best PCC/PDW ever designed.seriously, how would you even improve upon it?
>>61958929living in a non cucked country, sorry to dissapoint. We don't need stamps to have fun.
>>61957875>nor can I bring myself to spend twice as much for one fewer pins and that says READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE FIRST USE fixed it for you
>>61959709integrally suppressed to make the mp9 even shorter.integrate the Bond9 "bullpup" pistol tech to save an extra inch or two of barrel length.
>>61950936I have this weird memory of some company making something almost the same brake with the baffles in the shape of letters. Like "FREEDOM" or some shit like that. Am I just losing my mind? I swear it happened.
>>61957245>I'm personally waiting for the DOE cloneNTA but weird you say that because I was going to say the same thing.
>>61959709I love mine, but if there was going to be a TP9 V3 I'd be hoping for:A better trigger from the factory (Gigliotti's is nice, but because it has to work in the OEM receiver it needs those weird screws a total gun redesign wouldn't)Rails on both sides instead of only the rightGet rid of the front sight that's useless anyway to have more rail space for a LAMA charging handle that doesn't suck ass (several options exist, but OEM should be better than it is)Ambi controls where the other side isn't some Honey I Shrunk the Fire Selector shitA sling attachment point that isn't just a paracord hole (I use a BFG U-Loop through it, but it wouldn't be hard to just have a normal QD point)Making disassembly past a basic field strip less awfulGETTING RID OF THE FUCKING RAZOR BLADE EDGE ON THE SIDE OF THE BOLT THAT HAS GIVEN ME LIKE FUCKING FIFTEEN SCARS ON MY FINGERSAll minor nitpicks about a gun I'm mostly a big fan of, some of which are addressable with third party parts already, but there's definitely room to improve.
>>61959150Depends on whether you want a semi auto only PDW or if you want a 9mm plinker that's super smooth to shoot. At the end of the day it is still just a Glock in some plastic so its not like shooting an mp5, but its cheap and one of the smarter PDW designs civilians can get their hands on for cheap.
>>61959379god damn that's a nice looking gun.>>61959783not him but how hard is it for you to get a FA trigger pack into that guy? that's on my 'if I make partner' list.
>>61957362when I want an actually short gun to shoot indoors that doesn't blow out my ears...but uh ya bro sure
>>61959150I wanted something small enough to fit inside of a day pack without sacrificing any of my everyday items, but capable of being used like a small PDW/carbine whatever. The majority of Glock "carbine" kits out there just add more bulk and length to your pistol, essentially making them rifle-length, so I took to the 20/20 because it added function without all the extra stuff. At it's core it's a Glock 19 (at least mine is) so I'm already familiar with how it shoots, where to hold etc...I threw a red dot on there and it's even better for me. I don't intend on using this past 50 yards (and that's even pushing it a bit), but I personally have been able to hit a torso-sized plate at around 100 yards with my setup which is fine for me.
>>61959709Better trigger, give us access to 6.5 CBJ ammo and the conversion kits (I want it I want it I want it I want it I WANT IT)>>61959957B&T is/will be making a more compact suppressor for it which will be cool, but I still like being able to take the can off for a more compact package. I can fit can on in a backpack but can off it’s really tiny and can fit in some really small bags>>61960092>A better trigger from the factory I don’t hate the factory trigger as much as everyone else does but yeah it’s trash and yeah a better one would definitely be appreciated. I want to try the deuce bigalow male gigolo trigger but want to give it more time and it be a beta tester>Rails on both sides instead of only the rightOne of my biggest complaints is no left side rail and I don’t want to resort to Custom Smith for an aftermarket polymer upper half>Get rid of the front sight that's useless anyway to have more rail space for a LAMAnother big complaint>A charging handle that doesn't suck ass I don’t dislike it enough to replace it with aftermarket>Ambi controls where the other side isn't some Honey I Shrunk the Fire Selector shitI literally never use the ambi fire selector because of how small and stiff it is, if I’m shooting left handed I just use my left index finger on the left side selector >A sling attachment point that isn't just a paracord hole This is a big one for me, I get noided that the hole in the polymer for the sling is gonna snap. I use a rail mounted sling loop for the front half of a two point but that takes up valuable rail space>Making disassembly past a basic field strip less awfulYeah it’s bad for anything more than taking the bolt and barrel out>GETTING RID OF THE FUCKING RAZOR BLADE EDGE ON THE SIDE OF THE BOLT I haven’t noticed it being that sharp, I’ll have to check mineI still love it despite its flaws, it’s definitely a money pit though
>>61961182Do these require you to have your pistol registered as an SBR or similar because of the vertical grip?
>>61959652>>61959605The RRA is one of the first guns i bought (didnt build) and its one i've basically just abandoned at this point. I would have to double check the whole pistol AR laws but i dont believe i can use the lower for any shorter barrel at this point and i dont really want to buy new lighter rails in addition to getting it running right. For a carbine i'd really rather have something that's at least 10.5", if not shorter. I should take it out more often and try to get to the root of the problem but i only have room for so many guns each time i go with my buddy and that one doesnt usually make the cut.
>>61961686>basically just abandoned at this point.Well that's your real problem.>>61961686>but i only have room for so many guns each time i go with my buddy and that one doesnt usually make the cut.So you have a whole pile of cheap shitty guns, and you want to make one of the decent guns you have into a worse version of a PCC. Come on man, you're not gonna get validation for that toys r us crap here. Stop gunsooming and either get your shit working right or sell it off to replace with something better.
Pistol chassis tier list>Acceptable price/form tier: 20/20>Acceptable form tier: flux chassis for sigs>Garbage/do not buy: anything else
>>61957448I wish CSA made these with the stock dovetail already milled into the receiver so the wire stock didn't have the god awful wobble with the screw-on adapter.
>>61962110>So you have a whole pile of cheap shitty guns,No, i just have an SBR and a 16" AR with a scope and i usually just bring those and my pistol. Sometimes ill bring a wood .22lr with me for cheap plinking but they just get so dirty and its a pain to clean. I dont have many guns.>sell it off to replace with something better.What is the process for this even like? One of the main reasons i'd like a different PCC is because the one i have uses ruger style mags and i just have one 30rd and one 10rd. If i'm buying mags i'd rather get glock ones so i can use them on two guns and theyre also cheaper so just selling the thing may be a good course of action if im able to get much for it.
>>61956337They might have fixed it, but when these first came out they had truly god awful accuracy issues.
>>61962160What wobblle are you talking about?
>>61962160Agreed. Zero wobble. I had to beat my stock into place with a hammer.
>>61962386On the original VZ61 the stock is supposed to rest in the cutout in the receiver above the pistol grip which keeps it from moving. Because the VZ61 pistol stock adapter plate is sticking out further than it would on an original VZ61, there's some vertical play in the stock when deployed because it's not interfacing with the receiver.There's a guy making an improved adapter plate which fills in that void so it won't have that vertical wobble, don't know when he's planning on offering them though.
>>61962503The factory adopter doesn't have anymore or less wobble than a real VZ61 with the proper dovetail. They both have slight "vertical" wobble. You put it to your shoulder and it stops wobbling.
>>61962165>No, i just have an SBRIf you already have an SBR, why not just put a suppressor on it and use that as your home defense gun?>What is the process for this even like?Depends where you live I guess. In my state, private sales are legal so I can just put a gun up on the local classifieds and meet someone somewhere public to sell it. Very easy. Sold a Glock at a circle-k this way, and an AR upper in a target parking lot. Many dealers also accept trade-ins, you'll get less for in but it'll be easy. Same for selling it to a pawn shop.If you really want a PCC, with what you're saying I'm gonna suggest a Stribog SP9A3. The A3 models are roller delayed blowback, and you can get alternative lowers for them that take either Glock mags, or Scorpion mags. Both are cheap, reliable, and common.
>>61957362Idiot alert.
>>61962707>If you already have an SBR, why not just put a suppressor on it and use that as your home defense gun?Honestly i just havent felt like dealing with it, or the cost. I havent researched them much. It didnt start as an SBR it was just a pistol AR but then during the period they took that away i registered it.>In my state, private sales are legal must be nice, im in Co so they still require a background check so not going to be as easy>StribogWhy are these so recommended? I dont really like the no stock thing, they look a bit silly too. Are the mags they use just for their guns? If i do get a PCC im pretty sure i want it to use glock mags unless there's a major reason to get one that cant.
>>61962755>Why are these so recommended?Because they're the best PCC at the price bar none. It's not quite a real MP5 or B&T quality, but they're 1/3 the price and the Swiss/German alternatives are definitely not 3x the gun. Same for the Sig MPX, which is not as good as a B&T but more expensive. If you don't like the no-stock thing, put a brace on it or so another form-1 to make it an SBR with a real stock. From the factory they use their own magazines, but like a scar it's the upper receiver that is serialized, so you can buy an aftermarket lower that uses Glock mags.They aren't the only option, they're just my favorite option.
>>61959220I have one with the suppressor. I like it. The trigger is heavy but fine, however, mine sticks after 3-5 mags worth suppressed or unsuppressed. Sent it back to B&T and it still does it just takes a bit longer. So if you get one with a bum trigger like mine that's just going to be a fact of life with it.
>>61959709Better trigger considering the original is kind of goofy and meant for full auto, lower and more ergonomic bolt release, rails on both sides of the gun, not just on the one side where the stock folds which if used makes most things prevent you from folding the stock.
>>61961653Yes, either due to the vertical foregrip, or the stock. There's also a brace variant. There's another option that doesn't require the proper papers, but I'm not at liberty to say what that is.
>>61964094>but I'm not at liberty to say what that is.god damnit.
>>61927946PPC’s are just fun
>>61945725I loved my Ruger until I got my MP5 PTR, now I never shoot the Ruger.
