this IS a destroyer, get over it chuds, we're in 2024
>>61967697>destroyer western:(>destroyer Japanese ^‿^
>2040>Every boat is a drone carrier with missile pods
>>61967697That's the old kagaNew kaga is pic related
>>61967697Lol helicopter carriers...
>>61967749F-35B carriers
>>61967697Too smol to be a real carrier though.
>>61967697YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH KOROS KOROS KOROS KOROS KOROOOOS KOROS SHINAAAAAAA YEEAHHHHHHHHHHHBANZAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>61967741Luv me lurms
>>61967767I think they're going to carry ~12 F-35Bs.They ordered 48 F-35Bs.
>>6196785842 not 48.They've ordered enough for 3 full squadrons of 12 each, with a half squadron of spares. For 2 aircraft carriers.
>>61967741>YOU VILL USE ZE MISSILES>ZE WILL LIVE IN ZE PODS>YOU VILL BE HAPPY
>>61967875If I were to guess, I'd say that's probably 2 test platforms and 20 aircraft per squadron / carrier; 12 frontline and 8 for spares, maintenance, and trainingI might be wrong
>>61968720That sounds rightI assume the spares will get used for training.
>>61968720>>61968796The 2 sq of F-35Bs won't receive a permanent station on the Kaga and Izumo. They will start in Nyutabaru until Mageshima is up and running. Any sq not deployed on Izumo or Kaga will stay at Mageshima.
>>61969330>The 2 sq of F-35Bs won't receive a permanent station on the Kaga and Izumowe know that, no carrier air wing is permanently stationed.has the JSDF mentioned how the F-35 airframes will be allocated?
>>61969347I heard they were waiting for tech refresh 3 deliveries to start from Lockheed which is delayed by certifying the tech refresh 3 software validation.
>>61969385yeah, every single F-35 customer is waiting on TR-3
>>61969347I mean it in the sense that there will be large stretches of time when Kaga and Izumo won't have any F-35Bs at all and will just do heli ops as the F-35Bs will be stationed in an as needed basis.>has the JSDF mentioned how the F-35 airframes will be allocated?I'm pretty sure it's just 2 squadrons which fall under the JASDF command even on Izumo and Kaga although it will be much less of an issue now that Japan has it's newest joint command system in place. At the very least it's confirmed that a temp squadron will be in Nyutabaru this year with 6 airframes under the 5th AW until Mageshima is finished and more airframes are delivered.
>>61967697>this IS just a destroyer not a cruiser, get over it chuds, we're in 2024
>>61967697What is this going to be?: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/06/type-076-amphibious-carrier-takes-shape-drone-airwing-emerges/#prettyPhoto
>>61969560>mogs your shitty little twink boat
Naval classifications are bullshit anyways.Just call them all BOAT
in all honesty, does a thing like that stand a chance incase a cargo ship repurposed as a stealth naval drone carrier sends the torpedoes?
>>61969658>cargo ship repurposed as a stealth naval drone carrierLiteral meme shit. The moment someone uses a cargo ship as a weapon carrier, they make all of their supply lanes legitimate targets and create the easiest naval blockade in history.
>>61969687the norks reflagged their ships to tanzania 10 years ago, i dont think the tanzanians will give a shit about sanctions if the iranians/pussyans/chinks or other cough up a buck
uuuuuhm sweetie, this is a cruiser, get your fact checked :^)
>>61967743>Needs massive hinomaru to make the Chinese navy seethe
>>61967749It was designed as an anti-submarine warfare vessel and helicopters are the best vehicle for that.
>>61967697What were they thinking when they designed that ship?>let's make an aircraft carri-nah nvm let's turn it into a helicopter carrier
>>61967697flat
>>61967767Same size as OG Kaga
>>61969749>Some Tanzania flagged cargo ship launches weapons>Every ship flying a Tanzanian flag becomes a VIP recipient of an AShM since any of them could be a disguised warship.Sanctions are the least of their worries.
>>61970156Aviation cruisers have been a thing for a long time now. When your sole mission is hunting submarines, why bother with useless shit like a deck gun and anti-ship missiles and instead just reinforce your aviation facilities and capabilities with a through deck.
>>61970300>Aviation cruisers have been a thing for a long time nowYeahas old as the helicopter
it's worth noting that what they're called in japanese is ヘリコプター搭載護衛艦ヘリコプター helicopter搭載 equipped護衛 guard/convoy/escort艦 warshipthough idk if there's been a change in nomenclature recently
>>61969749There's a difference between reflagging ships in order to smuggle/circumvent sanctions, and using your reflagged ships as fire ships
>>61969601>Has to rely on a CG modelLol, can't wait to see the reactions once the Type 076 LHD is finished, the world's first and only LHD with an EMALS catapult for launching UCAVs and AWACS on top of being able to carry Marines for amphibious assault:>>61969562
what's up with stinky chinky ITT
>>61971599>The ABCC11 gene determines axillary body odor and the type of earwax.[6][32][33][34] The loss of a functional ABCC11 gene is caused by a 538G>A single-nucleotide polymorphism, resulting in a loss of body odor in people who are specifically homozygous for it.[34][35] Firstly, it affects apocrine sweat glands by reducing secretion of odorous molecules and its precursors.[6] The lack of ABCC11 function results in a decrease of the odorant compounds 3M2H, HMHA, and 3M3SH via a strongly reduced secretion of the precursor amino-acid conjugates 3M2H–Gln, HMHA–Gln, and Cys–Gly–(S) 3M3SH; and a decrease of the odoriferous steroids androstenone and androstenol, possibly due to the reduced secretion of dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS) and dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), possibly bacterial substrates for odoriferous steroids; research has found no difference, however, in testosterone secretion in apocrine sweat between ABCC11 mutants and non-mutants.[6] Secondly, it is also associated with a strongly reduced/atrophic size of apocrine sweat glands and a decreased protein (such as ASOB2) concentration in axillary sweat.[6]>The non-functional ABCC11 allele is predominant among East Asians (80–95%), but very low among European and African populations (0–3%).[6] Most of the world's population has the gene that codes for the wet-type earwax and average body odor; however, East Asians are more likely to inherit the allele associated with the dry-type earwax and a reduction in body odor.[6][32][34] The reduction in body odor may be due to adaptation to colder climates by their ancient Northeast Asian ancestors.[32]Unironically it's the whitetoids who smell because of genetics. East Asians are the true master race.
>>61971635Ping pong ding dong?
>>61970806god I miss these wacky 1960s-70s cold war era warships so much
>>61969848nice, love the champ ramp aesthetic
JMSDF bread
>>61967697have there been any tests of nuclear torpedoes or nuclear bombs vs war ships? Recorded during or post to see the damage, of whatever could possibly remain? Would a carrier turn into a mass of melted and torn up steel stuff?
>>61973231https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossroads> Saratoga, placed close to Baker, sank 7.5 hours after the underwater shock wave opened up leaks in the hull. Immediately after the shock wave passed, the water wave lifted the stern 43 feet (13 m) and the bow 29 feet (8.8 m), rocked the ship side to side, and crashed over her, sweeping all five moored airplanes off the flight deck and knocking the stack over onto the deck. She remained upright and outside the spray column, but close enough to be drenched by radioactive water from the collapsing cauliflower head as well as by the base surge. Blandy ordered tugs to tow the carrier to Enyu island for beaching, but Saratoga and the surrounding water remained too radioactive for close approach until after she sank. She settled upright on the bottom, with the top of her mast 40 feet (12 m) below the surface.> USS Independence survived Able with spectacular damage to the flight deck. She was moored far enough away from Baker to avoid further physical damage, but was severely contaminated. She was towed to San Francisco, where four years of decontamination experiments at the Hunters Point Naval Shipyard failed to produce satisfactory results. On January 29, 1951, she was scuttled near the Farallon Islands.
>>61971635Anybody who has ever smelled sour Asian knows that there is more to body odour than sweating.
>>61970952That's just helicopter destroyer, DDH. You're digging into the literal meaning of the kanji which is cool trivia if you're studying japanese but pointless beyond that.Another JSMDF term for the DDH class is 甲III型警備艦 (Type 3 patrol ship), they literally call everything patrol ships in budget requests lol
>>61973231Crossroads Baker proved that a nuke detonating within 500m of a capital ship would likely damage it significantly, irradiate it, and probably capsize it.The consequence is that both NATO and the USSR aimed for this CEP figure, and expected to use nuclear weapons against ships for the longest time, until proper precision antiship missiles such as Exocet and Harpoon were more available. Which was at the very end of the Cold War.IMHO that's why early Soviet antiship cruise missiles such as the ones that hit the Kramatosk mall display this degree of (in)accuracy.
>>61967697>Calls it a destroyer>Literally named for a carrier
>>61973964STOP NOTICING BAKAIS COINCIDENCE
>>61969848When are the pidors going to finish those fucking repairs, and how many days will she be in service before a fateful meeting with a spicy Ukrainian speedboat
>>61973425Hey, the ships go out on patrol, therefore, patrol ships.
>>61973425>>61970952Perhaps a better classification might be "Escort ship"?Which, for the record, can technically include Cruisers, Corvettes, and even Carriers as well as the more common Destroyers.Perhaps a Carrier Escort? Those are things.
>>61967697that's a transcarrier, chud
>>61969848this is a horror from beyond the stars
>>61975775Boat is boat.Escort ship is just another way of saying destroyer. (護衛艦 can be translated as destroyer or escort ship)Jap wikipedia has this to say about their destroyer classification compared to English terminology>日本の護衛艦について、アメリカ海軍協会(USNI)では、公式の英語表記に準じてDD(DDH・DDGを含む)は他国の駆逐艦、DEはフリゲートと同様の扱いとしている。>またジェーン海軍年鑑もおおむね同様だが、全通飛行甲板DDHはヘリ空母として扱っている。USNI follows the official English designation of DD (including DDH and DDG) as destroyers, DE as frigates.Jane's Naval Yearbook is more or less the same, but treats full-flight deck DDHs as helicopter carriers.JSMDF nomenclature also includes CVH (helicopter carrier) in addition to DDH. Jane's current classification is gonna look dumb if japs ever build a CVH. But I wouldn't hold my breath, they first had that idea in 1960s...
>>61971635Enjoy your dry, poop-like ear wax.Asians even have professional ear cleaners because their terrible ear wax gets impacted so easily. Meanwhile I've never cleaned my ears in my life besides putting a little water inside when I have a shower and letting it drain out.
>>61967697Isn't that a helicopter carrier?
>>61967697According to Peter Zeihan, the most respected thinker on /k/, the RN has a less capable carrier force and projection ability than the JMSDFZeihan on the JMSDF:>Japan doesn’t only build but also designs its own naval vessels and has since the 1880s. Japan’s navy is easily the second-most powerful expeditionary force in the world…the entire Japanese fleet is blue-water capable.>It is Japan, not China, that boasts the world’s second most capable navy. It is that navy that is second only to the United States in the number of aircraft carriers floated (Japan claims those carriers are only for helicopters but that is, if you’ll forgive the repeat, just some more PR bullshit).>Japan…has four aircraft carrier battle groups that can make it that far. The point is less that the Japanese would use carriers for convoy duty, and more that the Japanese could scrub Chinese naval power out of existence from Hormuz to Malacca with a minimum of fuss.Zeihan on the RN:>At each step the Queen Elizabeth carrier program had to re-justify itself and fight for funding anew. And now, with Brexit looming, they’re having to slim the rest of the naval force to keep their supercarrier program on track.>Which means the Brits no longer have sufficient ships to protect their new supers once they are fully operational.>The British Navy has atrophied so much for so long that it can no longer assemble two credible battlegroups and still defend Great Britain itself.>For the Queen Elizabeths’ deployments, this is nothing short of a Charlie Foxtrot. The new British supercarriers dare not venture further away from shore than the reach of British air power, whether that air power be launched from the United Kingdom itself or from the territory of a trusted ally. Support ships can certainly be built up more quickly (and cheaply) than the supercarriers themselves, but ships don’t grow on trees. This will be the state of the British Navy for at least a decade. Probably two.
>>61977777First, nice digits.He's right that Japan is likely more capable but makes critical errors.>made and designed their own vessels since the 1880sNo, they were mostly provided by UK and USA at that time. It wasn't until the 1910s they really started making their own stiff>four aircraft carrier battle groupsTwo at a push. They have only adapted two carriers, and they have only ordered 3 and a half squadrons of carrier capable jets, (not even two carriers worth) none of which have been delivered yet. They are strictly STOVL carrier, without even a ramp so their takeoff payload means that they're gimped compared to a proper carrier jet.
>>61977899>so their takeoff payload means that they're gimped compared to a proper carrier jet.They've got aerial refuelling capability and will likely have the ability to take off with a full loadout and get a top off in the air. Though I doubt they'll bother in most cases as coordinating a multi-hour mission over water for tankers isn't a cakewalk, I'm sure they'll still practice it occasionally though. Maybe do training with US tanker assets in the region too.
>>61971635This is why bugs are so untrustworthy and inhuman to each other.
>>61970156Can't build offensive weapons under the post-war constitution and aircraft carriers are offensive weapons. But if you make a helicopter carrier, which is a defensive weapon, and convert it into an aircraft carrier later, then you're 100% following the letter of the law no more questions prease and thank you.
>>61977899>replying unironically to pasta
>>61978032Yeah but it's a self imposed restriction. The US has been asking them to re-arm since the late 1960s.
>>61980070First american force you to fight fairThen american fight dirty with nuclear bombThen american force you to make law say never fight againThen american ask you to break law and fight againStupid american cant decide what american want
>>61971635And yet there is a clear evolutionary advantage to having body odor.It is no wonder why asiatics are so inhuman, if they lack this essential component of social interaction. It's like being half-mute.
>>61980070>re-arm since the late 1960sMore like the late 1940s as they were already shipping tanks to arm Japan's "police force" by 1953. It was unironically one of the most retarded and short sighted choices made as a surrender agreement up there will all the shit that was forced on post-WWI Germany. It will always be tragically hilarious to me that 2 of the most praised Generals of WW2 spent every day from 1946 till their deaths going "oh god oh fuck we fought the wrong people". Too bad your average university of reddit "WWII historian" stops paying attention after Sept 2nd 1945 because "WWII ended".
>>61980178Based ESL retard posting.
>>61983722>More like the late 1940s as they were already shipping tanks to arm Japan's "police force" by 1953.Yeah. The Americans even requested deployment of the National Police Reserve to Korea which Yoshida flat denied, as he knew that there's no way Koreans would be happy about Japanese soldiers treading on their soil again nor would the Japanese populace appreciate the involvement. So former IJN crews got contracted to run minesweeping operations in the Korean War. They were meant to be far from the front but they were actually deployed to battle zones in some cases. Then when one ship was sunk a group of captains threatened a bloodless mutiny. They got fired and the Japanese and US governments swept it under the rug.
>>61983869Man, this place has gone to shit.Everyone used to see japs posting in broken English as endearing, but nowadays there's some paranoid /pol/ refugee who's deathly afraid that there might be a thirdie on his precious vietnamese kite-flying enthusiast BSS.
>>61967697Ok, buh how does it, you know, DESTROY things ?I don't see one gun/missile tube.Do those transport helis go divine wind the enemy ?
>>61985777they're waiting for F-35s, until then they will use the JMSDAH Japanese Maritime Self Defence Anime Helicopters
>>61985777It's main purpose is destroying enemy submarines.Dem spiralwings are the best weapon for that.
>>61983722>we fought the wrong peopleMeh. They just didn't fight enough of the right people.
>>61988676Nah it wasn't even like they thought the war in Europe and the Pacific were justified, but also we should have done the same in China and Russia. They straight up just think we killed the wrong people. Patton called the Germans the last decent people in Europe while MacArthur said he was never consulted on the atomic bombing of Japan and thought it was entirely unnecessary, but wholeheartedly pushed for the glassing of China and Russia.Both were subsequently fired for taking these positions, yet in America they are seen as patriots of WW2. The idea of assisting the communists in any war was incredibly unpopular beforehand and incredibly unpopular afterwards, yet we are supposed to believe that for a brief 7 years the communists were actually the good guys and supporting them was right, but then the magically went back to being evil the moment Germany surrendered.
>>61967697I got a tour of one of those ships. It was very clean on the inside and the JMSDF were very polite.>>61988881>The idea of assisting the communists in any war was incredibly unpopular beforehand and incredibly unpopular afterwardsBut it was not unpopular during the war, that's the important thing. Orwell wrote about this during the war in Britain where people became pro-Russian once Barbarossa started, and the only exception were Catholic papers that, I reckon, were read by Irish Catholics who lived in Britain (but the Catholics also split over it). People can flip on a dime when a war starts. Look at American Jews who were marching in BLM protests in 2020, and then once Hamas attacked Israel, they started flipping channels to Fox News and then waylaid that one incompetent congressman in New York who a lot of them had voted for in 2020.
Also, speaking of George Orwell, that influenced 1984 where "we've always been at war with Eurasia." There are three big superpower blocs in the 1984 planet and they flip sides to fight each other but ensuring that nobody comes out on top, and the propaganda deletes any memory that today's ally was yesterday's enemy.
>>61989281the key idea of 1984 is that there is no war
>>61989275>I got a tour of one of those shipsProbably Hyūga-classNo F-35s, for them, but they've got 16 VLS cells which is neat.
>>61989288I thought there was, or at least there wasn't a war that was intended to be won, but to burn up human labor power through military resources which are just blown up. What was odd about him is that he depicted this nightmare vision of the future based in part on his experiences with war propaganda and rationing, but he pressed hard for rationing on the BBC during the war, and would write about "well... it's strange for me to say this, but I hope Stalin wins this one... for England." Even though the Stalinists killed his friends and was obviously, to him anyways, a totalitarian dictatorship.
>>61989275>People can flip on a dime when a war startsQuite so, and given recent events, It's particularly inexcusable for anyone online today to be ignorant of that.In addition to the Israel example you mention, there was also a massive change in sentiment w/r/t Ukrainian nationalism generally, and Azov particularly, when Russia invaded. One day the left is righteously cancelling Nazi memoirs, the next day Azov is heroic defenders and Putin was literally Hitler all along.Now I hate Russia as much as the next guy, so of course I'm glad they switched; nevertheless it was chilling to watch such an enormous mob about-face so quickly.
>>61989275>got a tour of one of those ships. It was very clean on the inside and the JMSDF were very polite.I've toured a minesweeper and an amphibious assault ship beforeCleanest and most orderly vessels I have ever seen anywhere. Nice people.They had a dummy mine displayed on the minesweeper and a guy asked about how mines would be used. The officer just laughed out loud and said "I'd love to tell you friend, but it's a state secret."
>>61967697No
>>61989309>but they've got 16 VLS cells which is neat.I always wondered why the US didn't do similar with their America-class LHAs surely they could've fit a 16 cell VLS somewhere on that flattop. Though they've got 2x8 ESSMs in dedicated launchers, would still be cool to see VLS cells for flexibility.
