>3x Pantsir-S3>4x TOR-M2>1x BUKShouldn't air defense be able to deal with flying targets?
>>61972357>we didn't NEED that ADN
>>61972357>ukraine has no air force
>>61972357Why would Russia deploy AD in the first place if their enemy has nothing to shoot at?
>>61972357Then why are the ziggers deploying AD assets close to the front?Are they there to shoot down moscal aircraft?
>>61972357>Russia can't destroy handful Su-27 and MiG-29 so their shills are order to pretend they don't exist
>>61972357>bringing in AD when ukraine has no air force
>>61972357>>ukraine has no air forceYet. :^)
>>61972351WARMATE BROS, WE EATING GOOD
>>61972373>>61972378>>61972389Clearly they're doing the war thunder thing where you go into battle using AA, something something happens, and profit comes out the other side.
yeah but how is it gonna help them in a land war though?
>>61972422>destroy zigger air defenses>deploy air assets to shove bombs and missiles deep into vatnik ass>???????>profit.
>>61972392Warmate?This would explain russian butthurt about Poland on /pol/
>>61972351>weapon systems gets taken out by the very weapons they're supposed to counter
>>61972351Usually these things get hit by something a bit longer range. I'm enjoying the smol suicide drone kills, means they were very close to the front
>>61972456>means they were very close to the frontAlternatively it means the Ukrainians are using a chain of multiple other drones with signal relays to boost the range of the FPV drone.Which would only be possible if zigger EW was complete garbage.
>>61972477Isn't the main thing limiting their range the battery, not signal?
>>61972494Sometimes yes, sometimes no.It depends on multiple factors. there's no simple and direct answer.
>>61972494OP's video shows fixed wing drones, the limitation for those is signal.
>>61972351That's gotta be about $120 million dollaryroos or so worth of air defense all blown up Who's paying for that? They still pay taxes in Russia don't they?
>>61972357I think you opinion need some refining
>>61972540Are Cessna suicide drones part of the AF?
>>61972543I think they're part of the special operations group
>>61972524Hammer time
>>61972351This may be nonsense, but do a lot of air defense radar systems not tend to automatically screen out targets flying below certain speeds? I was once told a tale of a US radar detecting cars on the autobahn in Germany as they were travelling above the minimum speed threshold that has been set in the US. Without a good well trained crew able to adjust parameters perhaps Russian AD just can't see these slow moving targets.
>>61972392>>61972442That's clearly RAM II
>>61972586Did somebody say Ram Mk. 2
>>61972452https://youtube.com/watch?v=uwmeH6Rnj2E
>>61972357Then what the fuck is blowing their air defense up.
>>61972569Everything valuable like microchips have been stolen from them. They don't do anything. The Russians stole the valuable parts when war wasn't happening now they just kind of wheel around. Some may work most just don't. Putin's kleptomania trickled down to officers
>>61972640Hey be fair. The whole state had kleptomania for at least 100 years, Putin didn't introduce it
>>61972452It's amazing isn't it. War is basically rock paper scissors. And an american made paper can beat a russian made scissor.
>>61972726>american made papermore like chinese made in this case
>>61972640Is the stolen chip meme actually real? Like, obviously the budget gets stolen sometimes and you get smekalka))) wiring, but in practice shouldn't all those vehicles at least have the best attempt at chipping?Captcha: PP88
>>61972730Most likely untrue, except for the idea of upgraded chipsets mysteriously not being installed for whatever reason.It's far more likely that they just never existed than someone took the time to remove them from any existing AD system.
Soviets and russians have shit electronics and computers. If russians made electronic equipment equal to western then it would be fuck huge and would need a lot of power. So computers in those systems made for specific tasks. So it's totally possible that they just don't see drones. It's hardware.
>>61972569That's called Doppler filtering. Since radar will be affected by ground clutter you would need to point the radar way up and avoid the main or side lobes hitting trees, buildings or hills. The way to solve that is Doppler shift, the frequency of a signal increases when the object is coming towards you and decreases when the object is moving away. So by ignoring all returns without sufficient shift you can now scan for low flying objects.By the way when you're flying perpendicular to the radar your closure rate is zero, so if you're flying at an angle your shift will be lower than your true airspeed so by zig zagging you can get closer to the radar even if you're going a little faster than the minimum detection speed.
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>>61972842why are you disclosing secret information to ziggers on vietnamese elephant breeding forum huh?
>>61972866Already got banned on WarThunder forums
>>61972730It's true. The upper level echelons stole them and sold them off. Some of them work but most won't You can check the purges where it's talked about.Ukrainians are picking them off for a reason. If the chips are put in they are a threat so blow them up before the chips get in. Body armor, artillery shell powder, avionics, mass parts of ships, any kind of brass or copper wiring, armor inserts in tanks, anything like that has been stripped down at this point.As far as food dehydrated egg yolk and white, mres etc been stolen Right now they are living off most likely human meat reprocessed to look like pig noses and feet, I know here it comes "meds"Give it a year then it will come out. Russians are eating each other's dead bodies
>>61972897Why do you think the cube was on a pallet
>>61972595I think I got this tank for like, 3 bucks in 2012. what a buy
>>61972907I think that was actually old meat. The fact 250,000 Russian bodies haven't been found is another clue No one knows where the bodies went
>>61972897I believe it. Even if you showed me proof that proved it wrong, I would still believe it.Moscow delenda est!
>>61972524That engine is fighting for its life
>>61972351Didn’t a lot of them miss?
>>61972351ETERNAL KEKOLDING
>>61973257that's average soviet junk for you
>>61972357It's a land war, Patsur launches missiles into the airRussa doesn't need it)))
>>61972351all the track marks in the field from driving in circles is a nice touch.
>>61973452huh I just assumed it was from other vehicles also deployed there
>>61972620>Isn't 'Ironic' by Alanis1 jerb, fag.
>>61973452>Serpentine!>Serpentine!
>>61973257sytuatsiyi normalna
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>>61972897>Give it a year then it will come out. Russians are eating each other's dead bodiesWouldn't be the first time so not that surprising.
>>61972897If they can't cool it wouldn't it still be pointless?
>>61973836Erectile dysfunction is experienced by more than 72% of Russian AD
>>61973803Nema problem - normal katastrof
>>61972524Finally, MiG kino.Sukhoi will never be the real Eastern Bloc fighter manufacturer, no matter how many Flanker variants they make.
>>61974006But once upon a time Suhoi accidentally put the wings backwards and videogames loved it so they're based in my book.
>>61972927>tfw taking the sunflower seeds from that babushka in the tutorial prologue would have actually been the Good Ending>tfw Sasha’s choice of the Air Defense NTR path automatically unlocks the Mystery Meat questlineGrim.
>>61972897>>61972927Why are central asians like this?
>>61972357(You)
>>61974038Don't get me wrong, I like Flankers, the Berkut, and so on just fine, but to me the mainline Eastern Bloc fighter should always be a MiG.
I don't know man it looks like the air defense cuckold has completely gave up on attempts to remember the stop phrase.
>>61972357This is a Land, Land WarBut it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a Pantsir or a Tor
>>61972351>>3x Pantsir-S3>>4x TOR-M2>>1x BUKthats nothing lol
>>61974447anon that's shit was worth tens of millions of dollars
>>61974480Not for much longer...
>>61974480*had
>>61974480Where? Asking for a friend.
>>61974480on paper. also, ever heard of logistics. what do you think happens to the airspace the pantsirs was supposed to be defending
>>61974480>xaxa infinite AD thousand tunguska impenetrable airspace S-600 numba 1>DPRK plz help hohols keep droning my refineries
>>61974549yes but what happens to the airspace the ad i was supposed to be defending after it gets taken out? you think new units just pop out of nowhere?
>>61974554>OdessaMeth lab is on fire, retaliate immediately.
>>61974576nowhere near thick enough apparently since ukraine conducts airstrikes cap missions all the time. losing all that ad is very awkward for them even if it's temporary. gives ukraine some freedom of action
>>61974576oopie wrong pici can't read skyrim runes
how did the russians manage to convice the world that they have the best AD in the world? their performance in this war seems to be shittier than anyone could have imagined. the only think the AD seems to hit reliably are large plans
>>61974671> large planslarge airplanes*
>>61974671>the only think the AD seems to hit reliably are large plansThat's exactly what they were designed for, huge ass NATO jets, attack helos and big ass missiles. They weren't made for countering birb-sized targets.
>>61975090but NATO jets will just use small missiles to take AD out from a stand-off distance. did they not think this through?
>>61975090When is the last time Russian air defense has hit anything other than Soviet technology?I'll wait.
>>61975103Malaysia flight 370 doesn't count, btw
>>61975113That was MH17.The other day I watched a MH17 video and youtube's shit algorithm put the misinformation warning because of the MH370 disappearance so even AI gets that shit wrong lol
>>61975136That's fucking exactly what happened lol, I looked up "Malaysia Airlines 170" and it autocorrected to 370. Right down the fucking middle.
>>61975103
>>61972351Please understand, they get off to this.
>>61972357Is Russian intel still this bad!?!?!?!
>>61972351Do we even have estimates of how many of these things are deployed in Ukraine right now?
>>61975230>how many of these things are deployed in Ukraine right now?Dunno but I can tell you how many there WERE>Command Posts And Communications Stations>1 9S470M1 command vehicle for Buk-M1: (1, destroyed)>2 9S470M1 (or variant thereof) command post (for Buk-M1/2): (1, destroyed) (1, captured)>Surface-To-Air Missile Systems (256, of which destroyed: 186, damaged: 42, abandoned: 4, captured: 24) >Radars (75, of which destroyed: 46, damaged: 19, captured: 10)
>>61975189Same energy as the FBI goons standing in the wreckage of the Branch Davidian compound.
>>61972351What's up with the crop circles? What's the tactical advantage of driving around in circles?
>>61972351No matter how good these are, they require human operators, not Russians. Didn't Serbs shoot down a stealth fighter with Soviet tech? Now I wouldn't call Serbs human, but they are a closer branch than Russians.
>>61977122It's probably just from repositioning a lot. But I like to imagine it's either>Bored drunk Russians doing burnouts in a pantsir for tiktokor>Smart drunk Russians trying to use all the fuel so they have an excuse to not do anything
>>61973257>That engine is fighting for its lifeSeems to be winning that fight though long enough to kill a few more russians.
>>61972728>american weapons>made in chinalol
>>61974671>How did they convince the world they have the best ADThat F-117 shoot down by the serbsThat's it.
>>61977158I believe the operator was Hungarian
>>61972524>>61974006MiG-29 is pure sex
>>61972357
>>61972351Remember when PANTSIR use to means something?Remember when this war first started and the Ukkies were able to get one with the Bayraktar??Good timesSo how many more Pantsir to wreck?
>>61977626Remember when people thought the Bayraktar was a wonder weapon? Then it turned out you can actually just throw rocks at Russian AA from a hot air balloon and destroy them.
>>61972357>vatniggerstan has no air superiority> against the poorest country in Europe> that has no air forceMind. Boggled.That really doesn't seem to be the "own" that (You) think it is. Care to elaborate?
>>61972897>blyatlant green is cykas
>>61975189Mutderous barbarians
>>61972897
>>61977682Sad, I forgot where I was and read that as byarlant and thought I was in a gundam thread.
>>61975204>they get off to this
>>61976652>know-nothing turd worlder>shows up to derail/pol/ is not a universityit's a septic pool
>>61974792lel
>>61972378>copethronetop lel
>not a single anon ITT pointed out how Ukraine was doing preemptive SEAD operations before the F-16s arriveI'm disappointed in you /k/.
>>61977781it's just a /k/ommando theory, we have no real proof that Ukraine was doing anything other than hitting the usual targetsany Russian SAM destroyed is a win
>>61972730>>61972741It is true and it is real. There was (is?) practice of going to those yards with mil equipment that either weren't guarded or the guard was bribed or just there were not enough to spot a few shadowy figures getting into endless rows of vehicles. And then clipping the valuable stuff, like rare capacitors, or chips, or lamps, or whatever. The activity even had a name though I forgot what it was, sounded like "кycaть", but I am not sure.I suppose people had enough income from that to do this regularly.
>>61977481no way
>>61977626>Remember when PANTSIR use to means something?when was this? cause israel has been dabbing on russian AD for nearly 10 years now
>>61977781Russian AA has been getting the big bad dick of street justice since day one, in terms of it being for the F-16's. Maybe, but there's really no statement to say its just for aircraft, that's a bit shallow a purpose for blowing up their AA systems as there's quite a few other things flying around that Ukraine likes to shoot in the general direction of Russian assets. So that AA has to die as soon as it shows up, admittedly the supply of missiles and rockets isn't as dire as it was 2 months ago, but the more that get through, the more Russian's die and their shit gets shreked
>>61973257that is how it's supposed to look likeif there is no smoke then the turbine is busted
>>61978746what?
>>61978807I bet you run to the mechanic every time you notice your car exhaust>4chan told me that exhaust gasses aren't allowed to come out of the exhaust!!!!!
>>61978269It's true, there is no need to gather intelligence for a land SMO when everyone already understands everything.
>>61978746>>61978830can't tell if you're trolling or not but thick darksmoke is bad. it means there could be like 5 different things wrong with the engine because it's not burning the fuel efficiently
>>61978878Every red blooded Russian should wake up, have their 5 minutes of gulaghomo approved hate, then chose violence
>>61977481Of course, Nigerian doesn't understand the value of intelligence
>>61977781My favourite part>destroy AA in Crimea>don't attack the bridge, even when you had ample opportunities>terified ruskies bring more AA to protect the bridgeYou don't even need to hunt for them, kek. Crimea is such a death trap, I really think you can win this war by reaching Chonhar and destroying the bridge.
>>61978966>COULD beYes. But doesn't have to be. So you cannot make any judgements based on the footage.
>>61978966>>61978807MIGs are like that. You know the engine is good when it's rolling coal.
>>61978966Nah that's how Sovietski engines burn.Older American jets had that problem too. The J79 had to have a new combustor designed to finally get rid of the telltale smoke, but it reduces fuel efficiency. However you gain the efficiency back with the updated nozzle design.A way to eliminate it is to put it on afterburner as it burns off the soot. But because of the higher fuel consumption one trick is powering one engine back down to idle and kicking the afterburner on the other which scales the consumption back to a similar level to two jets at mil power. Then when you're entering combat you put afterburner on both to gain speed and that way you can start the engagement without being seen from miles and miles away.The F-135 engine might as well be alien tech compared to Flanker engines.
>>61979294the judgement i can make from the footage is that they have bad engine design
>>61972357Air defense sneedingVatniks coping and seethingSour grapes
>>61972897>I know here it comes "meds"They don't have those either.
>>61977682>Soviet Green is the meat of the people!
>>61979277It's like a reverse Chornobaivka.
>>61974401>Gay character used to shill russian weaponI know deep down they don't give a damn if it's girl on girl but come on, using Fate for this one is like a baptist church using Slayer for ads. Either that or artists truly have no fucking idea about international politics.
>>61977735Bot?
>>61972378>Are they there to shoot down moscal aircraft?Yes. If the russian planes refuse to advance and turn back they are shot down
>>61981660>baptist church using Slayer for adslet me talk to my youth pastor
>>61972524>that hard climb and bomb toss fucking sick
>>61972842I really appreciate your ability to succinctly explain something, in simple language, and have it actually make sense. It's a great talent.
>>61972927>No one knows where the bodies went
>>61974415
>>61972912Why the fuck are you lying?The tank weighs 65,000 lbs.Scrap steel is like $160 a net ton (2400lbs)At minimum the tank would cost you $4333. I’m not even counting the shipping rates from Canada.You fucking people and your lies, I swear.
>>61972897Nah that meat business ended when they shut down Prighozin. He was the one responsible for it.
