Do you think "do not move" tactic ever worked?
>>61974111You can see a forest right next to him where he's walking. He deserved it. Ukrainians stay among the trees Russians just kind of wander around in the open
>>61974111clearly a decoy
>>61974111bro read too much marc aurel, he don't give a FUCK
>>61974111"I'm fucked if I run, and I'm fucked if I try to hide. Might as well stand perfectly still and give the drone pilot an easy hit. At least that death is fast and painless. I don't want to spend hours bleeding to death, or days dying from exposure, dehydration, and sepsis in a shit-filled ditch."
>>61974132Decaynik (former Decoynik)
>>61974178Lies, lies, and more lies.KYS zigger.
he returned to base under his own power, trust ze plan cumrade
>>61974178coooope
>>61974178k
>>61974178+2 rubles in your ass
>>61974111>Keep absolutely still. Its vision is based on movement.
>>61974201>*bonk*
>>61974111It does, but only on the recon stages, when you have camo and enemy doesn't use thermals.If strike drone comes for you it's fucking late to hide, he already knows you there.
>>61974201Kek*bonk*
>>61974111
Everyone knows the ukies' vision is based on movement
>>61974111suicide by drone
>Ukies>capture russian POW>stung him with rare paralyzing poison>capture execution videoWhy do we support them!?
>>61974257I know right? What a waste of expensive poison.Should've just waited for winter >>61974234
>>61974234it's crazy how many parallels this war has with the winter war
>>61974111I guess a bootleg dvd of Jurassic Park just hit the shelves in whichever bumfuck-oblast he's from
>>61974272aktually, that's very cost-effective
>>61974178Nooootralling on my /k/?>>61974111>Do you think "do not move" tactic ever worked?Not for that zigger obviously but in general, given the terrible resolution, poor signal, inconsistent lighting, vaguely camoflagued unifroms and cheapest possible cameras...getting low and not looking like a human silhouette is probably the best thing you can do in that situation.He might have thought it it was looking down, then he'd just be a head sized blob if he stayed still, best idea I have I guess.
>>61974272it may be $500 per, but when you count failure rate + injuries and not kills, etc., I guess it's even close to $1.5k per killstill, that's a fucking bargain TZD
>>61974272>$1000 drone on a single mobik$1b to kill 1mil Russian soldiers is pocket change.Countries are routinely giving Ukraine $10b in weapons and shit because they need the big toys too but if they could wipe out the entire Russian army at that price, it would be the cheapest weapon of the war including bullets.
>>619743351700 as per head of procurement
INNOCENT YOUNG MEN ARE DYING AND YOURE LAUGHING? THEY ONLY WANTED A TOILET FOR THEIR DACHA
>>61974388>Every Russian is a temporarily embarrassed oligarch
>>61974111It's easier to notice moving camouflaged objects, compared to stationary ones.
>>61974292
>>61974388Only wanted sign-up bonus pay so dedov wouldn't have to take bank loan or sell prized Lada to scumbag in order afford sausages from supermarket.Very sad.
>>61974111>rusoyobthis is like his 3rd kill we know of
T posing next
>>61974453>3rd
>>61974111Been a while since we could make another one of these to add to the collection.
>>61974201He deserved it. He was horny on main.
Perfect prey.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dKqECPI0w
>>61974111Zigger morale is very low.
>>61974332>>61974111>Do you think "do not move" tactic ever worked?Fight, flight or freeze.He defaulted to the final option, possibly from exhaustion or illness.
>>61974111Probably high as fuck.
>>61974453Anyone knows if rusoyob means anything
>>61974534basically "russianfucker" as in something that fucks russians
>>61974111>>61974215
>>61974550Shame about the HIV
>>61974111It's not a tactic, it's the first remote-controlled mobik, just a small issue with ping.
>>61974111Bro chose not to die tired, or even agitated.I can respect that.>>61974185kek
>>61974505the rightmost guy looks like he got decapitated
I think he just froze with fear. A common reaction, especially when you're not trained to deal with it, and mobiks definitely ain't. By the way, isn't that a ukrainian armor? It diesn't look russian
>>61974700No, it looks very similar to other vatnigs we got to watch explode up close.In particular the one with a bmp of some kind loaded with meat that we got a good closeup of right as it impacts.
>>61974111He knew it was gg and wanted to go on his own terms.
>>61974272On average you'll waste more in small arms ammo for a single kill. Many times more.
>>61974569It's one-time use. Unlike needles in russia
>>61974111>>61974201im serious i try not to laugh but russians just keep dying in ridiculous ways
>>61974470>Been a whilehas it really? it feels like theres a new horrific death in the russia army every week
>>61974111Sure, on the ground with mising limbs it works just great.
>>61974679He could've run for the woods 20m away and become 10 times harder to hit. But he didn't even try.
>>61974272>This tired old argumentCompletely ignoring monetary costs, to put it simply fpv drones are unsafe to land and attempt to reuse, and even if you wanted to they often don't even have the battery to make it back for a landing anyways.So yes, it is more efficient to kill a single mobik with your fpv than it is to have it crash into a field with 0 battery.
>>61974769As in one where we can see the facial expression clearly enough that we can make a "If you only knew how bad things really are" meme out of it.
>>61974171Not the worst idea; the operator did take the chance for a clean head shot. That's almost as good as a grenade under the chin!
Fragging while they're lagging is just poor manners.
>>61974111after this video and the "ahh i'm injured! bro shoot me in the head! ok" I just can't comprehend the russian mindthe readiness to just end their own life is inhuman
>>61974285I know right?even down to the fucking instruments and parade gear for the great victory parade in the capital
>>61974272>i can't comprehend just how much wealth western governments have
>>61974201What the hell? Why didn't it detonate on his head but happily detonated on the ground? Why is this so funny?
Either >>61974171 or he was just frozen with fear. Maybe he originally thought he could wait until the drone comes in for the final approach and then somehow dodge it at the last second, but couldn't move his body.
>>61974898If you have to choose between dying slowly and painfully or dying quickly and relatively painlessly, which would you choose? Imagine knowing that those are your only real options with the smallest sliver of hope that you might (technically) survive as a cripple in a system that won't care for you in a country that disdains you. If you're wounded, you're dead; it's just a matter of how much what's left of your life sucks. You need to be on a much lower level of demoralization. Seeing Russians so easily dome their allies is still a bit hard for me to wrap my mind around though.
>>61974388We laugh so we don't cry. It's unmanly to cry.
>>61974343Either he is retarded or he is talking about other kinds of drones such as dropper system ones.Kamikaze FPV of 7" or 10" is 300-500$, if you are paying more it either has expensive thermal camera or you are retarded faggot being ripped off.
>>61974761>>61974201Nothing will ever beat the grenade falling into the foxhole and the ratnik diving right in after it
>>61974974Got a webm?
>>61974111Why don’t they just surrender?
>>61974974>>61975099Which one? It's happened literally hundreds of times.
>>61974111Probably, you are going to instinctively first target the mobik that runs.
>>61975100To the last
>>61975100Even if they try to surrender the ukies aren't legally obligated to accept their surrender.Drones count as aircraft and the Geneva conventions clearly state that you can't surrender to aircraft.Also their propaganda lies and says they'll be tortured if they get captured.
>>61974932I just can't wrap my head around how bad things must be for you to just have no will to survive, to just stand still while a drone hovers in front of your face and to accept your faith.
>>61975100these FPV's are less like a person you can surrender to, and more like being caught by a sniper. the sniper probably doesn't have the ability to take you as a POW and bring you to the rear, and by the time you realize how fucked you are, it's probably too late to actually surrender to them. FPV hits like this often are happening to people walking shit to and from trenches too, so it's behind enemy lines, and if you were to 'surrender' to the FPV drone, it'd have to somehow lead you across your own lines, across no mans land, then to someone who can actually take you as a POW. we have seen people surrender to the bomber drones which are in no mans land, and actually be taken as POWs, but thats happened less and less, and suicide is more common now.
>>61975223>but thats happened less and lessIn no small part because a number of them dip and go back to their friends (?) as soon as they get the chance. That combined with FPV taking over makes it seem like there's no point bothering.
Russian POWs believe we have hunter seeker drones with sensors that detect the fags by the movements.I have been authorized to release this sanctioned video recording of our newest hunter drones in action:https://youtu.be/UtbD7sDp4pM?si=OzkTmBOEV1XxeY1-&t=143remember to keep your friend or foe tag on and powered at all times.
>>61975333Maybe the drones have HIV detectors?
>>61975397The little turds clenching their breadstick fists is just too funny
>>61974234KekI was once banned for posting this as answer to offtopic "europe will freeze thread"
>>61974470>if only the Czar knew how bad things really are
>>61974111>That smile at the endHe knew what he was doing.
>>61975223>>61975271Key detail is that FPV drones have very limited flight times, especially when they're laden with explosives.So you see one mobik who (naturally) doesn't want to die, but you're 5 kilometers away from him and you only have twenty more minutes of flight time.Do you A) Organize an incredibly complicated rescue operation that would take multiple drones and operators while also increasing the risk factor for your own troops and denying your ability to further inflict casualties on said enemyOr B) Just fucking blow the guy up
>>61974974There are too many to choose from!>Almost dead drone lands on top of some sort of comms tower, vatniks climbs up, explodes and is left dangling by his legs from the ladder rungs>Drone and vatniks play Ring around the Rosie around a handcart for a solid 2 minutes>Vatnik manages to hit incoming drone with stick, it explodes and kills him anyways.And my current top pick>Vatnik throws apparently full gas can at drone and immolates himself
>>61976438That comms tower shit was fucking absurdProps to the guy who went up there, but goddamn, what a shitty way to die
>>61975752He is free in every way pucians are not. Of course he was smiling.
>>61974111> IMG_7298.webm>IMG_>.webm>"do not move" tactic
>>61974932>If you have to choose between dying slowly and painfully or dying quickly and relatively painlessly, which would you choose?I'd choose something else.
>>61976837It's a warcrime under which jurisdiction? Neither Ukraine nor Russia are signatories of the Geneva Convention.
>>61974111>mfw
>>61974272>$1.32bn to delete all RAF active personnel>+$2bn to delete the entire reserve>+$20bn if they start arming randos with moist nuggetsThat's a pretty fucking good investment.
>>61974974>>61975099>>61975107Here you go anons
>>61976870The RAF is the Royal Air Force, we usually call them the RuAF
>>61976872kekZiggered when he should have zagged
>>61976872Fuck I posted the wrong one>>61976881my b one sec gotta go through my folder kek
>>61976872>>61976886Can't find it in my folder, sorry anons I know I have it somewhere I'll keep digging
>>61976862>Neither Ukraine nor Russia are signatories of the Geneva Conventionthey both are you drooling little faggotdo not yap about things you do not comprehend
>>61975459
>>61974272>it's simple Ivan, if we value our soldiers less than they value their munitions, we win everytime. >fertility rate decline? Negative immigration rate? What's that?
>>61976944Nice, saved
>>61976870God imagine how much you could save on airbases aloneIt'd pay for itself in two years tops
>>61974974>>61975099>>61976886>>61976910Here, I've got you.>>61976872Didn't have this one, so thanks anyway for posting it.
>>61977047thanks mang appreciate it, here's another similar one to the one I posted earlier>second part of it I mean
>>61974921IIRC there’s a wire on the front of the drone that has to be hit for it to go off on its own.
>>61974736From the thumbnail that looks like the souls of the dead swirling behind him
>>61976920That's not true.
>>61976837There are exceptions which dictate whether it's permissible to deny taking prisoners, one of which being having no supplies, backline, or capability of doing so. Aircraft do not have the capability, a drone does not have the capability. On behalf of /k/ommandos, shut the fuck up faggot.
>>61974272total aid to Ukraine right now is about $200 bln, maybe round up to ~$250 blnabout half of which is military, the rest is humanitarian & infrastructure, etc.For less than $150 bln (maybe even close to $100 bln) russia is delet. Wrap your head around that math, vatnigger.
>>61974470I just stopped making them because I couldn't keep up with a dozen or so per day.
>>61977485
>>61974234Typical Finnish road sign
>>61976837>the MOMENT you lay down your arms and surrender is the MOMENT you stop being an enemy combatant and hurting you is the same tier as hurting any random civilianWrong. Thanks for playing. Now go back to school and try to learn something connected to reality.
>>61977072Boom, headshot
>>61974111>ping 12000075 ms
>>61974505racks racks racks racks racks I gotta get me a bag I gotta get me a bag I gotta get me a bag
>>61977072Are those their own dudes just rotting 2-3 meters away? And they're just chilling?
>>61974736>>61977366
>>61976837Not how that works, and you know it.
>>61977738you are wrongthe only argument one could make is that the russians systematically engage in perfidy and thus claims to surrender arent clear
>>61976837Angrily repeating this does not make it true.
drone operators really should be shot on sight.
>>61977754not accepting prisoners has been a war crime since the 1800s anon, ironically russia were actually the ones who first proposed itinstead of going "nuh-uh" perhaps you could post a contradicting source
>>61976837kek
>>61977072
New complainiks. Amazing story.https://x.com/666_mancer/status/1807104724698800143
>>61977776Explain to me how a drone is supposed to accept a prisoner.
>>61977780This will always be my all-time favorite. It's just too perfect.
>>61977806anon you drooling little illiterate fuckthe act of taking a prisoner is not relevant to the equationyou being unable to take a prisoner does not mean the person in question isnt now a non combatantthis has been ratified by every relevant country on the planethow you personally feel about it is not relevant
>>61976837lmao it's this concerntroll againlet me guess, you also think an A-50 is a defenceless civilian plane, you can't shoot it down, waaahhh!!
>>61974111its still crazy that drones only make up a small percentage of casualties caused and artillery is still doing the damage>https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/weapons-war-race-between-russia-and-ukraineThat report says 80%, since we always see videos you would think they are everywhere
>>61977834>That report says 80%if you follow the links the source is a Sky News article from early 2023:https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-the-race-to-rearm-could-decide-who-wins-the-conflict-12817694>A Western source has told Sky News that around 80% of battlefield casualties in Ukraine are thought to have been caused by artillery fire.not exactly the most compelling of sources.
>>61977829So if I surrender to an incoming artillery shell and if it does go off the man who fired it is a war criminal?
>>61977780HE DEFECATED
>>61977829>>61977776>>61976837reminder that the last time we hashed this out, this disingenuous fuckwit insisted that you don't have to search the individual, if he appears not to have a weapon in his hands he is considered to be unable to fight>please don't look in my pockets yeah
>>61977850No, but I know a polish paramedic who was on the front, she said 80% of injuries are from shrapnel and advises everyone to wear flak protection instead of just chest plates.
>>61977833no Im not the person you think of, an A-50 is not a civilian plane crewed by non combatants and its completely fine to shoot it downbeing inside a vehicle does not make you unable to surrender but it certainly makes it a whole lot harder for any opponent to be able to clearly discern that you are, especially an air defence system would have no way of knowing>>61977853no that would not be a war crime anonthe shooter did not know you had surrendered before they firedI advice you to read up on the hauge and geneva convention, its an interesting read and you are clearly very confused>>61977875not me and that is all indeed very incorrect informationthe third geneva convention specifically declares how prisoners are to be handled
>>61977810Do you have the photo of the Ukrainian posing next to that car, months later? I should've saved it.
>>61977900I didn't know that was a thing, now I wanna see it too.
>>61977875>>61977898to add to this, it interestingly actually specifies what private property prisoners are allowed to keep during their captivitywhich is something you wouldnt think would be a thing
>>61977898OK. What if a fighter pilot dropped a TV-guided bomb on me but I put my hands up? If he didn't divert the bomb then would he be a war criminal?
>>61977902>>61977900Pic rel
>>61977875It's irrelevant anyway. The soldiers in question must make an unambiguous attempt to surrender, not just be unarmed. A soldier that is hors de combat may also be granted mercy. Ukrainians have time and time again granted these requests. The only ones not being granted this are those that make no attempt to surrender, or are still attempting to fight in an injured state. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or isn't a war crime, but overall, Ukrainian forces have behaved admirably in-spite of their current situation. This is even accounting for the numerous attempts at perfidy committed by the Russian subhumans. Any mercy they received and may receive from Ukrainians is far more than they collectively deserve. Let us not forget what Russians did after offering a path to retreat to Ukrainians during 2015. It would only be just that Russians are given the exact treatment, and yet Ukrainian SMs have stayed their hand as much as one can expect a people fighting a war for their very survival.
>>61976438you forgot the classic>FPV fails to detonate>mobnik throws its AK at it>it didnt detonate so he decides to throw an empty RPG tube at it>it sets off the FPV and kills him
>>61977961thats a war crimethe russian was unarmed when the srone exploded
>>61977961>Damn he failed to kill me>Oh well guess I'll just do it myself
>>61977961
>>61974111Nahhttps://files.catbox.moe/3bjfrb.mp4
>>61977072>bonk
>>61977961Bro is fucking HAMMEREDIt's been a couple times now that I've seen mobiks drunk off their fucking asses participating in assaults
>>61977971As long as he still has arms he is armed.
>>61976837This sounds like some bull shit playground game?
>>61974272>xaxaxa you waste 5 cents on bullet to kill mobik>stoooopid ukrainian does not know russian life is worth nothing at most half a cent, xaxaxaxa russia stays winning!
>>61974974for me its the one where the grenade gets dropped through the sunroof of a lada.
>>61978247What specifically is confusing you?
>>61978220Time honored tradition of "frontline 100 grams", but ignore "100 grams" part and drink the whole bottle.
>>61975397Guy on the right has his flies half down. Evidence of dedovschina?
>>61974111Do the drones have a manual detonator on them? Theoretically he could have caught the drone from below and stopped the impact fuse from triggering.
>>61978360Celebratory wank, please understand
>>61974111That's a POW being executed and he took it like a man. Why the fuck is a soldier standing alone in the middle of a field? Soldiers are always with a squad and don't stand out in the open. They'll conceal or cover themselves. They gave him an empty gun and he didn't think to throw it like the last guy in one of these clips.
>>61974335>still, that's a fucking bargainindeed
>>61977677>muh war crimeRussians never cared about that they deserve everything they get including the alleged "civilians"
>>61978360> Evidence of dedovschina?Nah.YunArmiya is a retarded larp, trying to present an image of "muh patriotic youth movement", but unlike "youth movements" in real totalitarian countries, you dont really have to participate(yet), and is purely performative - there are effectively no real activities beyond "here's beret and a tshirt, quick, stand for photoop by the monument" or "walk a column of kids dressed in those on some important(patriotic holiday, some dignitary has arrived and is making a speech in your shithole) occasion" and the like.I.e. some old farts in russian government decided "we need patriotic education for kids, for example some kind of youth movement", the order gets pushed down the hierarchy, hierarchy ends on some dumb old cunts(teachers), who proceeds to produce "pokazukha"(kinda small scale "potemkin village") by pressuring suckerest of suckers among schoolchildren to participate in the pointless spectacle, then they write reports about "everybody is super-patriotic now here look [photo/video], done everything in a best way"and get their 500 rouble bonus to salary for guiding said patriotic education.So, the fly halfway down is because dude is a sucker, who dont have the balls to say "nah, not doing it" to the teacher, and suckers tend to be unkempt. This is a lot of sperging already, i understand, but one more thing. If you want to understand russia better than "lol dedovschina lmao krokodil", go read "everything was forever until it was no more". Its a good book, an exploration of "spirit" and mindset of life in later years in ussr. How does it relate to this? Well, huge part of the book is about degradation of ideological foundation into purely ritualistic mindless practices, which are adhered to, but not taken seriously by anybody. In a lot of ways, they are recreating what they know from ussr, and what they know from ussr is mindless ritual, and not that it was born from at once honest beliefs(in shitty ideas, but nonetheless).
>>61977961Nothing beats the spicy potato toss.
>>61978516Im not talking about russians but about how people on /k/ have absolutely no clue about how the hague and geneva convention functions and how surrendering in war worksI think russians deserve worse than what they are getting
>>61976993the russian tanks are also just munitions
>>61978496>DURRRRRR POW EXECUTION
>>61974111>no zoom-in close up of the results:-(
>>61977971He was throwing away his weapons at the feet of the drone. Instead of accepting such a clear plea for surrender, the drone commited a warcrime by killing him. Its clearly stated in the Geneva Conventions
>>61977047I like the edited version of this clip when, instead of a grenade, it's a bottle of vodka.
>>61978789Killing fungus and mold isn't a war crime, no matter how hard you try to spin it
>>61978789Yeah why not surrender to an artillery shell while we're at it. How about a storm shadow?
>>61977806First the soldier needs to contact the "I Want To Live" line.
>>61977898it's damned fucking condescending of you to keep telling people to read the Conventions when we already have and we (and the rest of the world) still hold opposite opinions from youthe crux of the matter is that the world has different definitions of the precise action that is meant by "surrender" which you stubbornly refuse to accept, and act as if you are smarter than the world, when in fact you are very very stupidin the case of an aircraft dropping a bomb on, sau, a command center, how are the pilots supposed to know that the people inside have "surrendered"? they don't. no weapons are visible, and no indication of surrender is made. nobody is there yelling "SURRENDER OR ELSE WE BOMB!" the bomb just drops. and the international rules of war accepts this practice.likewise, a military supply truck on the battlefield, even with no visible weapons, is going to be bombed. end of story.following the same principle, a person in uniform identifying him as an enemy combatant walking on the battlefield, even with no visible weapons, is going to be bombed.this isn't law enforcement. unlike a civilian in peacetime, the person is in uniform in a warzone, he is a legitimate target until there are signs otherwise. this is legal standard practice according to the Conventions you keep demanding people read.UNLESS and UNTIL the person indicates surrender AND follows the instructions of the captor in accepting the surrender (go read the Conventions), they are a legitimate target.the reason for this is that there is ample opportunity for them to be engaging in some kind of perfidy unless they follow the instructions.
>>61975100cant surrender to a blocking detachmentthere is also the risk of being prisoner exchanged into Russian custody, being a refusenic gets u 10 years in prison Russian prison conditions are in effect a death sentience, the food is bad and they dont give you any health care. at best you will be crippled for the rest of your life.>>61976837perfidy is also an war crime
>>61974234I know it might seem obvious to me, but I feel required to point out that the stiff froze lying on the ground and some cheeky grunt stood him up for the lulz.
>>61978789Troops are not obligated to accept a surrender.
>>61977971Actually the drone was not armed when it exploded. Literally a warcrime.
>>61974736>>61977366>From the thumbnail that looks like the souls of the dead swirling behind himIt made me think of a soviet reverse of picrel
>>61974947Nigger, chill. $1700 is per dead zigger. So 3 are expelled on one dead zigger on average.
>>61979102It's a very cost effective ratio too even for how cheap a zigger's life is.
>>61974111I feel conflicted in that I feel bad for some of the miserable way these guys spend their last minutes but then I remember that they shouldve stayed home, surrendered, gone awol, or chosen prison instead
>>61979126Most of them go to Ukraine for the money and loot monke offered them, so there's nothing to feel sorry for really
>>61978951You're never wrong to point out the obvious on the internet.
>>61978170>AK12's for everyoneI wonder what unit is being killed here
>>61978202Kek
>>61978202saved
>>61977701>ping 12000075 msThat guy clearly dropped connection but the world server hasn't noticed yet so he's just frozen.He's going to reconnect as a ghost and wonder wtf happened to him.
>>61977047THIS IS MY HOLEIT WAS MADE FOR ME
>>61977829Nigger they're not surrendering anything, the minute the drone goes away they're back to business as usual.That's why you need a guy to disarm and take you to a pow camp. Otherwise showing mercy makes no sense.
>>61978220>Bro is fucking HAMMEREDThat isn't the start of the engagement and there's a body off to the side, I think he's just concussed from previous blasts.
>>61979149OOoooOoOOoooOO OOo ooOOO oOOo Ooo
>>61979183Sorry bro, I have 0% in spirit speak
>>61974185There’s probably something wrong with us here
>>61978527>In a lot of ways, they are recreating what they know from ussr, and what they know from ussr is mindless ritualThis is the accurate way to use the expression Cargo Cult.The original is a bit different but that meaning isn't used outside literal anthropology of barely contacted tribal societies.In politics and sociology, mindless repetition of misunderstood rituals is a cargo cult practice.
>>61974201Badum-tss
>>61978951Wow really??? What gave it away? Was it the stick propping him up?
>>61978828>First the soldier needs to contact the "I Want To Live" line.The first surrendering guy who stumbles when hitting the deck looks like the Ukies just capped him instead of accepting surrender.
>>61977829>you being unable to take a prisoner does not mean the person in question isnt now a non combatantdropping your weapon doesn't make you a non-combatant either.
>>61979129Considering the average yearly wage in Russia outside the major population centers, it's not very surprising, especially if they believe the internal propaganda justifying the war.
>>61978527>pokazukhaTL;DR it is simply half-hearted box-ticking bullshit>>61979205yes, but I don't think it actually is an actual USSR cargo cultUSSR cargo cult is when uneducated mongs look at a Su-57 and say "well if it LOOKS like an F-22, it probably WORKS like the F-22, so Russia is actually very stronk"that's not what's happening with what anon describeswhat anon describes is just patriotic flag-waving. nobody expects these boys to be effective recruits. all they're expected to do is create greater feeling of "us against NATO!" in the heart of the typical citizen, for morale purposes.
>>61979233very recently, just a few days ago I think, one zigger who surrendered said he shouldn't have believed what they told him about Ukraine, and that the Ukies are justified in hating them for what they (ziggers) did to their country
>>61974453It's just a name. The name of the drone series, not the operator.
>>61979247series or drone team, though you can usually tell the difference based on the watermarks, with additional ones from the guys who supplied the drones for the strikes (like Sternenko's bunch)
>>61978607>guy sees drone>intercepts it by tossing his bag>throws a clump of burning metal off himself>runs awayThis is the highest IQ move I've seen in one of these webms ever. What did he do wrong?
>>61978903for fucks sake you illiterate niggerthe entire fucking world is a signatory to the conventions and they all stand on the same side regarding themthey are legally binding documents and there is 0 ambiguity on how they functionyou immediately out yourself as having absolutely no clue what the fuck you are squealing about as you start yapping about bombsyes, you drooling little faggot, if the enemy does not know you have surrendered they do not know not to keep shooting youthe burden lies on the surrendering party to make their intentions clear and unambiguousgetting killed by artillery or airstrikes or anything where the attacker cannot clearly discern that you are surrendering is not a war crimea surrender is defined as being unconditionalfailing this and challenging orders ie. continuing to resisting renounces your protection and it also makes your intentions immediately ambigioushowever it is stated in plain text that if someone does make their intention to surrender clear they are immediately a non valid target and it is illegal to attack themthey do not have to know to follow a .png instruction not given to them and you cannot order them to perfect a game of DDR or you are somehow allowed to execute them, once again, if they make their intent clear then they are protectedthis entire functionality is why perfidy is also defined, if someone resists they have not surrendered unconditionally and are thus not protected and you are also no longer able to discern if they would fake another surrender>>61979169Im not talking about the russians in the .webm's you illiterate gorilla niggerread the comment chain before shitting out a replyperfidy is already a war crime>>61979223dropping your weapons and raising your arms are defined as unambiguous ways of declaring a surrenderso no, along with other actions of showing intent to surrender it actually does make you a non combatant on the spot
>>61977776ziggers are not humans. They can't apply for protection under the laws of war, or even the universal declaration of human rights.TZD
Why wpuld ukrainians even accept surrender? Theere's no point in trading prisoners, because russia propaganda is true in reverse: ukrainian soldiers do get tortured and killed by russians. The only reason why this trade exists is to get some of your own back, but if they don't then what's the point? Just kill anything that moves and call it a day
>>61974111Maybe he wanted it, he seems to be smiling at the end
>>61979323yeah, you ARE the same fucking faggot from last time, this is the same bullshit you keep pulling>there is 0 ambiguity on how they functionwrong, fuckwit>dropping your weapons and raising your arms are defined as unambiguous ways of declaring a surrenderand just like last time, I repeat: HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU KNOW THEY'VE DROPPED **ALL** THEIR WEAPONS YOU DISINGENUOUS FUCKING FAGGOT
>>61979323>dropping your weapons and raising your arms are defined as unambiguous ways of declaring a surrenderDefined by whom? which treaties are you getting that from?There are many situations under which soldiers, let alone drones, aren't obligated to accept surrender.>so no, along with other actions of showing intent to surrender it actually does make you a non combatant on the spotYou're a fucking retard.>Drone approaches>drop weapons and raise arms>You've now surrendered so the drone can't kill you>drone leaves>pick your weapons back up and continue fighting
>>61974111>getting disconnected during the fight
>>61979363anon they technically do not need to drop all their weaponsthey just need to make their intention to surrender clear and cease all hostilitiesthey could hold their AKs by the pipe upside down just like iraqis did in the gulf war, even a tank commander could point the barrel to the sky and rotate the turret to the back and evacuate the crew etc.>61979366>drone leaves>pick your weapons back up and continue fightingthat is perfidyit is already defined as being a war crime and renouncement of all your protectionsfurthermore systematically doing this would make all your surrenders non clear and ambigious and thus making them not legalit is already a solved case by the way the conventions function
>>61974111Wow! A well disciplined zigger!
>>61979366>>61979432and no, the geneva convention is completely unambiguous in that you cannot choose not to accept a surrenderonce again, not accepting surrenders have been a war crime since the 1800's
>>61979432>>61979447>that is perfidyI am well aware.You've yet to explain how a drone is supposed to accept a surrender.As far as I'm aware all surrenders have to be done to actual military personnel, a drone, much like a plane, does not have the capacity to accept an impromptu surrender.
>>61979432>they technically do not need to drop all their weapons>they just need to make their intention to surrender clear and cease all hostilitieslol go reread the Geneva Conventions
>>61979469NTA, but I'm just brushing up on my lawfare and according to https://www.dcaf.ch/sites/default/files/publications/documents/LegalPracticalElementsSurrenderIHL_EN.pdf he's technically correct. However, that article also says that surrenders are more of a practical than a legal problem, and there are many grey areas where the practical realities of combat make following the law impossible.
>>61979447To be legally effective, individuals must offer surrender under circumstances in which it is feasible for the enemy to reasonably accept.
>>61979463>As far as I'm aware all surrenders have to be done to actual military personneland that is of course where you are incorrect1. non combatants are protected, this I hope you can agree on else any civilain would also be a target2. becoming a non combatant is simply a case of ceasing all hostilities unconditionally3. in order for the opposing force to KNOW that you are a non combatant you are going to have to make that clear to them by showing them you have surrenderedthe opposing force is not a part of the equation of whenever or not you have or have not ceased hostilities, they thus do not get to accept or deny a surrender and they are bound under the conventions to not attack non combatantsif they do not know that you arent one then obviously they arent at fault and they have not commited any war crimes, it is upon you as the surrending party to make your intentions clear>>61979469that would require the convention to define every kind of weapon else the string in your pocket could be said to be used to strangle someone and they would be allowed to gun you downthink for 2 seconds you faggot>>61979550this is not actually correct according to the conventionsthe enemy simply cannot choose to deny a surrenderthe obvious loophole is that you can claim you didnt know they were surrendering but this is why there is a international commission to investigate any such matters, the protocol of which russia withdrew from in 2019 to get away from
>>61978975They are, actually. You do not have to take them into direct custody, but you cannot keep shooting.
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>>61979496>surrenders are more of a practical than a legal problem, and there are many grey areas where the practical realities of combat make following the law impossible.yesthat's lawyerspeak for "it's not actually a surrender until you hogtie the bastard and search him for weapons"which is what NATO troops dowhich is why drones and combat jets can't effectively accept surrenderwhich is what we've been trying to tell that stupid concerntrolling cocksucker for months if not years>>61979578>that would require the convention to define every kind of weapononly for disingenuous armchair-theorising pedantic cunts like you
>>61979578DoD manual
>>61979579>you cannot keep shooting.that's not "accepting a surrender" either, according to the Geneva Conventions; that's just exercising discretion not to double tap the poor sodthere is a gulf between practicality and theory, in this case as well as others, and the Conventions tacitly accepts thatwhich is why that faggot over there is a faggot because he keeps insisting that his mincing faggoty interpretation is>legally binding documents and there is 0 ambiguity on how they functionfuck thatfuck him
>>61979584the geneva convention is not classified in a list of rulesevery civilized country on the planet has ratified the relevant parts of the conventions and are thus bound to them above what any other meme rulebook can claim to say>>61979590>which is why drones and combat jets can't effectively accept surrenderthey cannot continue to bomb personel that has surrendered ie. non combatantsobviously its not a war crime if an AA emplacement is firing upon bombers and then throw their hands up and claim to surrender the moment before they are nuked>>61979604the US has ratified the relevant parts of the convention and it would thus still be a war crimenow, it is entirely possible to commit crimes and not get put on trial for it, as would be in any such case, but that doesnt mean its not a war crime
>>61979627>they cannot continue to bomb personel that has surrenderedand they won'twhere you persist in refusing to understand is the clause>that has surrenderedwhich, AGAIN, involves more steps in practice than your two brain cells can fathom
>>61979627>it is entirely possible to commit crimes and not get put on trial for it, as would be in any such case, but that doesnt mean its not a war crimeWell I guess we can agree they should feel real bad about it then.
>>61979578>3. in order for the opposing force to KNOW that you are a non combatant you are going to have to make that clear to them by showing them you have surrenderedSurrender consists of three stages:1) Attempted surrender, which is the part you single-mindedly focus on.2) Processing the surrender, which involves taking the surrenders in custody and searching and disarming them3) Completed surrender, at which the surrenders are considered hors de combat and have full legal protections.Notice how there are two steps there that drones or airplanes cannot preform?Not having a (visible) weapon does not make you a non-combatant.
>>61979634this is clearly defined in the conventions anonyour personal opinion is not relevant>>61979651>at which the surrenders are considered hors de combat and have full legal protections.they are already protected from the moment they state their intention to surrender, you cannot attack them at this point and this includes air and drone strikesread more carefully instead of skimming>>61979636as I already stated in my first post I think the russians are getting off very easy for what they deserveIm only arguing against the myth that you can deny surrenders which edgy children keep parroting
>>61979680>read more carefully instead of skimmingHow about you use your brain for a moment and realize that the law is unenforceable and therefore meaningless in situations with any shade of gray?
>>61979680Well, your legal interpretation of it is different from how all of the major signatories interpret it, as demonstrated by their published rules of war. Why are you arguing about it on a Cambodian sausage braiding roundtable instead of standing outside the MoD yelling through a bullhorn? It'd be more effective.
>>61979680>they are already protected from the moment they state their intention to surrenderthey are only protected form attack by the troops they are surrendering too and since drones can't take your surrender you are under no protection.If for instance you try to surrender to squad a but squad b can't see your flag ect and they open fire, no fowl. If squad a opens fire than it is warcrime. drones however can't process your surrender and so you aren't hors de combat. A drone can only be used to facilitate your surrender to troops that can take you prisoner. As with those cases of drones dropping surrender instructions. the drone didn't take the surrender, the troops later on did. >t. military lawfag
>>61979714>If for instance you try to surrender to squad a but squad b can't see your flagFun fact: white flags aren't internationally recognized as a sigh of surrender :D
>>61979680>Im only arguing against the myth that you can deny surrenders which edgy children keep parrotingI never said you can deny surrenders, I said there are situations where it's impossible to accept them.
>>61979706what the fuck are you on aboutpeople have been tried and convicted for war crimes time and time again>>61979711its not because the US has literally ratified itif they dont agree then they could withdraw, just like fucking russia has done>>61979714you are confusing the twoyou become a non combatant the moment you cease hostilities, non combatants are protected and thus you are in that moment immediately protectedhowever, the enemy does not know you are a non combatant unless you make this clear to them and them, shooting you without this knowledge is obviously not a war crimeif you are just standing in a field and a drone comes along then you are a valid targetif you clearly show them that you are a non combatant then you are not a valid targetit literally is this simple, there is no ambiguitybeing unable to process a surrender because you cannot for example physically reach them does not mean that they are still combatants when they have clearly ceased hostilities>>61979755once again, non combatants, ie. people who have ceased hostilities have by definition already surrenderedthis surrender is unconditional and it is then up to you if you want and have the resources to put them in an internment camp or whatever the fuck you want to do with them
>>61974932Rossiyan no have ally. Have rapee and rapist. ))))
>>61979765>what the fuck are you on about>people have been tried and convicted for war crimes time and time againdid you not read my post?>in situations with any shade of gray
honorable zoomer drone operator
>>61978951This was actually a psychological warfare tactic by the Finns. Simo Hayha did the same thing, after killing a bunch of Russians he'd wait for them to freeze solid and prop them all up. Russian units that entered the area later were greeted with that.>"look Vasily, our glorious comrades are waving at us up ahead! They taught those fascist piggies a lesson!">"wait why aren't they moving?">"oh Go- I mean Stalin"
>>61979781anonthere is no shade of gray to be hada surrender fundamentally needs to be unambiguous and clear or else it will not be a crime when you are gunned down
>>61979765>people who have ceased hostilities have by definition already surrenderedThis is just factually incorrect.by that definition attacking troops in a retreat would be a crime, which it is not.You seem to think of these laws as some absolute thing without any nuance.Let's go with a hypothetical here:You're flying a plane which is armed only with bombs.On the ground there is a group of enemy soldiers who are shooting at you. As you move to bomb them, one of the solders drops his gun and puts his hands up.If you bomb the group shooting at you, you will kill the surrendering soldier and, according to you, commit a war crime. If you do not, you'll be shot down.Will any court convict you of a crime in this situation?
>>61979817>a surrender fundamentally needs to be unambiguous and clearAnd the practical realities of war make this impossible. >sure, he may have dropped his gun, but maybe he's got a bunch of grenades in his pocket>sure, he has his hands up, but maybe his friends are waiting around the corner planning to shoot us if we get him>Nuh uh! that would be perfidy!And how the fuck do you tell perfidy from a proper surrender without searching and detaining anyone who surrenders?
>>61979463Does this not count?
>>61979842>retreat would be a crime, which it is not.that is because fleeing is specifically defined as not being allowed and as renouncing your protection when surrenderingthese conventions arent foolproof but its more than just some random scribbles on a piece of toilet paper anon>you will kill the surrendering soldier and, according to you, commit a war crimebeing caught in the crossfire is defined as a thing that will happen and does not equate a war crimejust like how you are legally obliged to help any enemy wounded you are still not expected to just drop everything and tend to them until you are actually able
>>61979434kek
>>61979870damn anon I guess laws and shit just doesnt actually exist because they could always have some potential small random loophole somewhere that clearly just renders everything meaningless
>>61979871I'd call that an exception that proves the rule.>>61979884>these conventions arent foolproof but its more than just some random scribbles on a piece of toilet paper anonI never said that, and they aren't, but you shouldn't pretend that they're that much more than a good-faith agreement that you won't shoot everyone who walks at you with their hands raised, and that your opponent won't do the same.The current rules about surrendering and the like are just horribly outdated and unsuited for modern warfare. It was already showing with the "Un-uniformed Combatants" from Afghanistan, but the drone stuff we see now really put the final nail in the coffin for me.>>61979928Gee wiz, way to miss the point of my post, anon.
>>61979215You're kinda fucking retarded
>>61974185zozzle
>>61979942I'm not too sure how exceptional it is. If I recall, some Ukrainians did attempt to take surrendering Russians prisoner. There was some sniveling little mutant dude with thick plastic-rimmed glasses begging for his life, and the drone operator graciously accepted his surrender. Then he cut and ran away at the first opportunity.It's less "the drone isn't capable of accepting surrenders" but more "the Russians are bastards that fake surrender a lot", so the argument probably extends to surrender in other circumstances as well.You can probably still try to take them, the Russian Volunteer Battalion and the POW camps they draw recruits from stay stocked for a reason, but there's always that chance that one bastard is gonna betray your good will.
>>61974111Why not just surrender? Maybe the ukrainians still kill you (war-crime) but at least they won't post that clip to the entire world.
>>61980047>If I recall, some Ukrainians did attempt to take surrendering Russians prisoner.There have been several cases where they actually succeeded while using drones (picrel), but AFAIK those were specially fitted with instructions on what to and how to follow it.
>>61980074and be returned to Russia after the war?smarter to take the isekai roulette
>>61980074They're told the Ukrainians will torture and forcefully have homosex with them, which is too much like their life in the russian army to risk and makes death sound like a good alternative.
>>61980099Interesting. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to attach a small, cheap speaker to a drone or something, that way the operator can give specific instructions to the captive? Or if not, mock the guy before he dies or something.>>61980131Don't the guys in the Free Russian Battalion get offered Ukrainian citizenship? I can't imagine that those guys would live long in Russia if they were returned, they'd probably be subject to public executions.
>>61980600>Perhaps it would be worthwhile to attach a small, cheap speaker to a drone or somethingtoo much weight/bandwidth, I'd wager.
>>61974111> I've seen numerous videos recently of Russians just completely giving up at life in the face of Ukrainian drones. Don't fight back, they aren't scared. They don't even care anymore. They just stand there like "do your worst".https://nitter.poast.org/AndrewPerpetua/status/1807394321223606565
>>61980600>attach a small, cheap speaker to a drone or somethingAren't the fans on those things loud as fuck?
>>61979363>HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU KNOW THEY'VE DROPPED **ALL** THEIR WEAPONS YOU DISINGENUOUS FUCKING FAGGOTReminds me of the webm of two ziggers surrendering, only for one to reach into his pocket and toss a grenade at the guy they were surrendering to. The grenade missed, and the uke magdumped him for his troubles until his buddy joined him and managed to calm him down.
>>61979627It literally says that a surrender to a drone that can not reasonably take a prisoner (i.e most drones) is invalid
>>61979765>if you clearly show them that you are a non combatant then you are not a valid targetThis part is false according to the rule which has been posted in this thread. The surrender is invalid.>>61979584
>>61977778Being a irregular in a unofficial paramilitary organization, Mohammed the ISIS fighter was always a civilian ironically enough
>>61974201hit em with the ol' 1-2 combo
>>61974342what kind of a retard carries $1,000,000,000 in their pocket ffs
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>>61974272That's extremely cheap price to pay. It costs like 10-25k dollars to kill one enemy with a traditional way.
Man. I wonder if any of these guys have considered carrying sawn off with birdshot. Seems pretty lightweight and maybe somewhat effective for dispatching a drone, if you have as much time to do so as this guy did.
>>61979680your personal opinion is not relevant
You niggers that post this shit are insufferable. Get the fuck off of our board and post your gore threads in /b/ where they belong next to all the BBC spam. /k/ used to be fun.
>>61979323The enemy might sincerely desire to surrender yet because they are behind their own lines their own officers or blocking troops will execute them rather than allow them to cross lines to surrender. So, they would 'surrender' to a drone, start walking to Ukrainian forces and realize they cannot surrender without being executed, vanish back into their army return to their previous combat duties. A lawyer might call this actus reus of perfidy without the mens rea. In the case of a deep dilemma or knowledge gap such as that, why should the burden be on the drone operator to make these determinations? They are targeting a uniformed soldier with a highly discerning method, their standard tactics, and the only factor relevant to whether the soldier would be a legitimate target is whether they 'surrendered' or were engaging in perfidy. Requiring that the drone operator presume the soldier intends to, and actually will, surrender would seem to fundamentally limit the ability of the drone operator's side to wage war using an otherwise fairly orthodox tactic. It's not good interpretive practice to interpret a rule of war such that following that rule severely hampers waging a war.
>>61981399You have to ask yourself: where would they get one?
>>61979215Except that's not what happened. Or did we need to tell you that?
>>61981557Surely there is an abundance of break action shotguns, commonly used for hunting and sport in pretty much every country in the world?
>>61981546>our board>immediately starts talking about cockTry harder, vatnik.
The zigger was afk
>>61981595Anon, mobiks don't get ammunition before ariving on the front line because the officers fear getting fragged.Do you really think they would let them bring their own weapons?
>>61981640IDK what they are allowed to bring, or how much opportunity they might have to loot from homes, pawn shops etc. in occupied towns. I'm talking in general, seems like the most practical personal defense against drones regardless of your colors. And drones are being used against ukranians too, no?
>>61981621Small independent game dev, good server cost too monies, please understand
>>61979765>it literally is this simple, there is no ambiguityWhat type of autism leads a man to think he can just say this and it becomes true?
>>61981387That's not really a good comparison. You are unintentionally arguing that killing an enemy actually only costs about 30 cents "with a traditional way" because it only takes one bullet. But the reality is that it's extremely expensive because while one bullet kills an enemy, it takes thousands of shots from teams of people to land that one bullet.Unsurprisingly, FPV drones are also not "one shot one kill".
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>>61979215Yeah you'd think they could have done one more take where he kneels down or something instead of making it look like he strolls into camp with his hands up and gets blasted.
>>61974178Truth
>>61974569In this context, to fuck someone means win someone in battle.
>>61981546This war is literally /k/'s dream come true.
>>61977922Wagner doesn't really get accepted for surrendering or at least that's how it was when they were still around. It's correct, Wagner Group was never any form of legal, lawful combatant.
