>>62053127
I’d be interested if I was in the market for one. I understand the LCP max and this are improvements over the LCP II but not enough of an improvement for me to replace it

>>62053127
Needs more dashes

Too fucking bulbous and bottom heavy. Why does the trigger resemble an alien cricket's leg? Pass. I refuse to buy these objectively ugly corposlop abominations.

>>62053302
>the trigger
that is the new, Glock-style which S&W calls the Plus on their M&P series.
it's supposed to be an improvement on the old M&P 'two-piece' trigger which is one reason a lot of people either abandon the platform or replace it with a custom trigger

>>62053127
I'm glad I won't have to buy rugershit for a good, modern .380 that doesn't weigh a fuckton (beretta)

>>62053438
>beretta
just realized after you mentioned, this Bodyguard will be better than even the single stack Pico (which only has it 'beat' by being thinner 0.73")

>>62053127
Looks kinda big for pocket carry, no? How does it compare to the LCP II in .380?

Of course they got rid of the DAO trigger. God forbid anyone gets pleb filtered or has to actually work on improving their shooting skills.

>>62053978
I thought that too. I think the picture is making it look weird. The LCP II is 5.17” long x 4.05” tall and 0.91” thick. It’s a little smaller but not by much. The thickness is what shocks me

>>62054009
Striker fired handguns are a 40 year old technology now. It’s perfectly fine and safe to have unless you are Sig

>>62054084
>40 year old
much older but in widespread commercial use, yes

here are dimensions for the M&P Shield 9 Plus (newest variant)
>M&P Shield 9 Plus----------------6.1"-------------------4.6"------------------1.1"------------------20.2 oz

so this 2.0 Bodyguard is almost a quarter inch thinner, about half inch shorter/lower, and weighs half as much as a Shield 9

>>62054084
Can you show us on the doll where the evil Sig touched you?

>>62053127
>leaks
skills

>>62054628
it was a bullet wound through the leg, a surefire sign of a sign owner

>>62053127
I like it. I think the mini-M&P is a cooler look than the CZ-45-but-plastic one they were going for before

>>62053127
CSX is better.

>>62053367
Yeah, I don't like the hinge trigger.

>>62054747
I only found out/heard of this a few days ago but am liking the idea more and more.
Need to see more pics in the wild (rather than company promos) to get an idea of how big in hand it actually is.
Slide seems like it's low profile and small in comparison to the big brother Shields; wondering how it'll be to shoot.

>>62053127
Lame, wish they made a double stack 380 ez instead.
LCP & bodyguard are the most awful conceal pistols to shoot on the planet

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I don't like the look of the slide serrations on these new-gen models and I don't need porting, so I'm going to pick up a current-gen Shield Plus while they're on rebate and call it good.

>>62054359
another way to think of the Bodyguard 2.0 is, it's the same size as (tiny bit thinner than) and half the weight of a Beretta Nano.

Slide serrations look like the machinist eyeballed the measurements

>>62054910
here's another: the Bodyguard 2.0 is just under half inch longer, a half inch taller, and an eighth of an inch wider than a Kel-Tec P32, while only 2.9 ounces heavier.

>>62054628
Can you show on us your bank statement where Mr cohen bribed you?

>>62054132
True. I should have specified as normal/widespread usage in handguns

As long as the price is decent, and S&W M&P pistols usually are, I'll probably pick one up. Pocket carry is pretty nice.

>>62053127
This is great news. Man S&W never fails me. I've loved every pistol I've gotten from them.

>>62053127
I've used a regular bodyguard .380 as my carry gun 98% of the time for the last 10 years. if this new one could fit in my pocket and the trigger isn't terrible I'd love to get it as a replacement

>>62053127
Why was this announced in a magazine months ago and not even a single youtube shill video about it or page on their website? I think it'd sell. Is there something wrong with it? Is this some gay guerilla marketing thing?

>>62056309
my guess would be they were just about ready to roll it out, had ads bought and everything, then noticed some major design flaw and pulled all their ads but missed one

>>62056386
It really could be this and I'm ok with it if that's true. If the last decade taught me anything it's that good manufacturers issue recalls or hold off on new releases with a known issue. Now if they can just get rid of the fucking bonus holes on their wheelguns.

>>62056425
>bonus holes on their wheelguns
the recent UC (ultimate carry) series don't have the lock.

>>62056627
I want them to re-do all of their machining and erase the very memory of UK cuck locks

>>62053127
Yeah, I'm triggered by that meme trigger. Fuck S&W.

> Hard pass.

>>62054009
Have you ever fired a Bodyguard? I like DA, but the BG trigger has a mile long reset that really hinders it's ability to shoot fast.

I mean, I agree with you like niggas buying a Ghost connector because 5.5lb trigger pull on a stock Glawk is too heavy.

>>62053288
interdashing.

if this thing is any good it's also going to destroy the P365-380, it's smaller and six ounces lighter with the same capacity

I hope the manual safety is actually good like on the Equalizer instead of tiny bullshit like on the Shield.

>>62058541
yeah I was thinking about that too (compared to 9 or 45 Shield) but the OP picrel seems to be just like the earlier models except its a smaller frame overall.... I prefer M&P Shields with no safety and in holster

>>62057420
I have one and I actually like the double action pull. It is very long, but it's light and surprisingly smooth like a good DA revolver trigger. For a pocket pistol, I think it would be wise to keep the double action trigger, but I guess S&W thought differently.

>>62059147
>double action
this seemed to be a design ethos of the post-1980s micro and pocket polymer pistols from Kel-Tec, Kahr, Beretta (Pico) etc.
the Nano is striker fired
here, S&W just decided to downsize their already popular success subcompact Shield
Does having a DAO action necessarily make a small or pocket handgun more safe or less likely to self-harm a user?

>>62059319
>Does having a DAO action necessarily make a small or pocket handgun more safe or less likely to self-harm a user?
NTA but in my opinion yes. I don't think that necessarily makes other options unsafe, but DAO is one of the safest things you can carry.

>>62053138
Sweet looking pistol. Can I have it without the RTFM garbage written on the side?

>>62053127
I used to carry an MP Bodyguard then switched to the LCP max. I guess now I'm going to switch to the Bodyguard 2.0

Love this arms race

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>>62059337
>DAO is one of the safest things you can carry
Agreed. The heavier trigger pull all but guarantees that you won't blow a hole in your leg when you adjust your cock.

>>62059500
What do you think of the LCP Max? I’m considering buying one for Florida summer pocket carry.

>>62059712
I use it as a pocket carry in the heat. It's a tiny gun that carries easily in the pocket of my hoochie daddy shorts. Not much else to say or expect from it.

>>62053127
Oh, look, every pistol for the next half century will come with a Glockified trigger. And every surface used as a billboard for retards who shouldn't be allowed near a firearm.

I fucking hate this fucking gay Earth.

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>>62060169
>nice new things make me mad!! >:-()

>>62060169
>i don't like my striker guns to have solid drop safeties
Ok get a P320 then you fuckhead

>>62060169
Nothing about the trigger has anything to do with Glock what the fuck are you babbling about noguns?

>>62060316
nta but didn't glock invent the trigger dingus thingy

>>62054009
I remember dry firing one of those at shop. It felt like a staple gun with a 15lb trigger

>>62053127
>No optics cut
>No manual safety
I'll stick to my p365

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>>62063037
>optics cut
>on a pocket gun

>>62053127
Is .30 super carry good compared to 380? Some places near me have m&p shield in 30 super carry for dirt cheap; and the ammo isnt too expensive also

>>62063143
>he doesn't want to hit targets up to 300 yards with scope on pocket gun
Never going to make it.

>>62063143
micro rds is pretty common now

>>62063143
>>62063217
>optics cut
>micro rds is pretty common now
yes and I thought about this but... Look at the pics posted itt, particularly the last one showing gun from a 3/4 upper angle...
this is a miniaturized version of the Shield design which has prior been built in 9, 40 and 45 calibers each variant having slightly different slide(+barrel) profiles, thicknesses. Bodyguard 2.0 slide though appears much lower proportionately in height dimension than previous Shields, and the gun is (at least) 1/8 inch narrower. Thinner, less tall and lighter profile slide.
Do optics cuts, fasteners ever _weaken_ the strength, integrity of rear slides on semiautos? With a slide this small and fragile they'd, as I see it, have to provide an OR/optics-ready slide variant with a bit more robustness on at least the rear of slide (and perhaps a thicker/different profile slide altogether)

>>62063480
>Do optics cuts, fasteners ever _weaken_ the strength, integrity of rear slides on semiautos?
nope, especially at the lower pressure

>>62063173
Yeah, it's better in every way. Better performance and mag capacity. I have a shield ez in 30 supercarry with 14 rounds flush and 16 regular. It's thinner than my bersa thunder 380 with the single stack 8 rounds.

>>62063925
>.30 super carry
(just watched a few vids) anon how's that shoot compared to the 9mm? Recoil impulse, follow up
also does it have the optic mount

The grip looks so out of proportion to the slide, can't wait to see one compared to other gun sizes when they come out

>>62053127
noguns retard here, now interested in getting this as my first since you guys told me to prioritize a comfy ccw.

That beavertail sticking out of the back, will it be an annoying pressure point pressing on you? Plus it increases the gun's visual profile.

Is it very important for ergonomics? Bad idea to cut it off to be flush with the slide?

The Shield + is basically the same thing but with more features. Jframe still can't be beat in the ultra small, ultra light weight category. Just get a Jframe if a Shield + is too much gun for you to carry.

>>62064512
It's easier to control than 9 (not that 9 is very difficult to manage mind) and a little snappier than .380. Stock comes with glowing rear sights and an optics cut, but I'm not going to use optics for an urban passport. I got it on sale for like 250, so you might pick one up for 300 or so unless you feel like waiting for november.

>>62063037
It has a manual safety option

>>62064942
thanks anon, yes the vids were intriguing and I recalled seeing this caliber mentioned several years ago but never looked into it further, didn't even know it was released 2022.
I'm waiting on a Plus upgrade for the Shield 45 but the super carry seems like a rabbit hole to go down

>>62053127
How high is the bore axis compared to the LCP Max?

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>>62053127
>>62053138
It looks a lot like a Strike One

>>62053127
>no rail
shame, they totally couldve just extended the gun by like a quarter inch and added on

>>62054084
This.

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>>62065891
Just about every handgun made in the last 10 years or so looks very similar.

>>62055027
I eyeballed your mom's serration.

>>62064734
Based on the specs it is VERY small. LCP sized with a bigger grip, which is a good thing
>>62065052
Looks really low

>>62053127
everyone shitting on this is a retard it's gonna be amazing when they announce it next week
>roughly smaller than glock 42 sized with 10+1
>not ruger shit
it's gonna overtake the lcp max

>>62069498
>when they announce it next week
source for this? I'm planning on picking up an m&p 22 magnum tomorrow but I'll wait if you have proof of this

to the optic-ready slide discussion (^^^^above), on S&W's site the pistol's tech specs say
>Optic Ready : NO
so it looks like—in contrast to the recent Shield .30 Super Carry which has an OR slide (also slated to become standard on the new Shield 9s)—they don't rn have it for the Bodyguard 2.0
purchase availability not sure about 'release-announcement next week' but it's definitely imminent because of these leaks.

>>62069498
as I said above if this thing is any good it's going to eat the LCP, Glock 42 and P365-380's lunch

>>62054009
I had a Bodyguard and sold it because the trigger was just that bad. For reference, I normally carry a stock j frame.

>>62064848
Beavertail good, slide bite bad.

Here are some more comparison specs

Pistol-------------------------------OAL---------------Height-------------Width--------------------Weight
>Ruger LCP Max--------------5.22"----------------4.12"------------0.97"---------------------10.6 oz
>SIG P365-380-----------------5.8"----------------4.2"------------1.0"---------------------15.7 oz
>Glock 42-----------------------5.94"----------------4.13"------------0.94"------------------13.76 oz
>Kel-Tec P32------------------5.1"----------------3.5"------------0.75"---------------------6.9 oz
>Beretta Pico----------------5.1"-----------------4.0"------------0.73"---------------------11.5 oz
>Beretta Nano--------------5.63"----------------4.17"------------0.9"---------------------19.8 oz
>HK P2000SK------------------6.4"----------------4.55"------------1.27"---------------------24 oz
>Shield 9 Plus------------------6.1"----------------4.6"------------1.1"---------------------20.2 oz
>Bodyguard 2.0----------------5.5"-------------------4"----------------0.875"-------------------9.8 oz

>>62070928
thanks

>>62058052
I don't think so, the P365-380 has the advantage of being astronomically more enjoyable to shoot, using the regular Bodyguard & LCP as a comparison.

>>62053138
>>62053127
Holy shit, is it just using shield plus mags?

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This thing is massive vs the bodyguard 1.0

>>62053127
>no safety
No purchase.

They expect me to carry a fucking striker with no safety in my pocket? Piss offfff.

>>62066628
beretta, cz, sig, hk and pretty much anything else with an exposed hammer refuse to suck glocks cock tho.

>>62053367
I bought a shield plus with the new trigger. it is much better than the old trigger. i really like the shield plus.

>>62073340
>Available with and without manual thumb safety >>62053133

>>62073026
>regular Bodyguard & LCP as a comparison
>more enjoyable to shoot
we don't know that yet.
This gun is a mini-Shield design. Totally new-different
Has absolutely nothing to do with the DAO/whatever obsolete 1990s earlier gen1 Bodyguard or LCPs, No Comparison.
read the thread

>>62073062
>massive
old Bodyguard weighs 12 oz
this new 2.0 weighs 9.8 oz

Pistol-------------------------------OAL------------Height------------Width----------------------Weight
>>Bodyguard Gen1-----------5.3"----------------3.78"----------------0.84"---------------------12 oz
>>Bodyguard 2.0----------------5.5"-------------------4"------------------0.875"------------------9.8 oz

>>62053127
So now s&w has an M&P Bodygaurd revolver in 38 special, an M&P Bodygaurd pocket pistol in 380 acp, abd now a third m&p Bodygaurd, a subcompact, Also in 380 ACP?

What the FUCK

>>62070956
Looks slightly smaller than my Glock 42 and holds 10+, yeah, I’d get it. I love the 42. Shoots great. I can take it anywhere. But if you can deliver 10+ rounds in basically the same package, I’ll try it.

>>62053127
This is still locked breech right?

>>62075033
What do you believe? Some numbers on a page or your lying eyes?

>>62075010
I'm not talking about the trigger pull but the recoil.
Given that it's lighter the recoil will probably be a little bit worse.

>>62075010
Alternatively consider this:
P365-380 basically weighs the same as a regular P365.
Meanwhile Bodyguard 2 is HALF the mass of a Shield Plus.
If it was actually a shield in 380 it would probably shoot really awesome.
But with half the mass, it will be awful to shoot just like the lcp and bodyguard are.

>>62075713
>>62075702
>>62075746
>shoot really awesome
Could be and I agree about 2.0's weight, also about P365 and Glock 42 being better shooters in .380 ACP (each of those two perhaps best 'fullsize shooters' in their class of the current micro-subcompacts in that caliber)
We'll just have to see what it's like when it shows up at retailers, some reviews.

>>62075746
>If it was actually a shield in 380
an anon ^^^upthread mentioned the Shield .30 Super Carry, which is essentially identical to the Shield 9 with the new ammo and doublestack mags.
most of the reviews on the Super Carry Shield have said that it's virtually indistinguishable shooting wise from the 9 Shield, but a few people have mentioned more 'snap' in the recoil impulse.
.30 Super Carry is a really high pressure cartridge.
so this comparison of what is essentially the same pistol (in weight+size) having a slightly different detectible recoil impulse is just going to take a slightly different technique adjustment, probably easy to accomodate by almost everyone accustomed to 9mm.
Sort of like the difference in technique required when using similar pistols in 9mm vs. .40S&W

No, this is not "a Shield in .380"
this pistol is smaller and less than half the weight of a Shield 9.
it's only 'a Shield' in the sense that it uses the same overall design concept.
As mentioned above we'll just have to wait and see how it actually shoots.

>>62076026
The recoil/snappiness difference between 380 and 9mm is pretty big, as proven by p365 vs p365-380, what does 30sc have to do with this discussion?

>>62076036
>have to do with this discussion
Note the top greentext in my post, which is (You)r
>"a shield in 380"
remark.
I addressed that.
Read the entirety of my post. Read it 5 times until it sinks in to (You)r thick brainlet skull.

>>62076036
>difference between 380 and 9mm is pretty big
Not really.
in straight-blowback 380 pistols compared to 9mm Browning-action delayed pistols,
the recoil difference can often be perceived higher in the 380.
Ever shot a Walther PPK in 380?
compare that to a Shield 9.

>>62076050
Youre the one who mentioned it being a "shield design" as if that magically makes it recoil less, faggot

>>62076066
But we're not talking about a straight blowback 380 vs a browning action delayed 9mm, we're talking about a browning action delayed 380 vs a browning action delayed 9mm.
LCP Max and P365-380 are both browning action delayed 380s.
The LCP is godawful to shoot and the P365-380 is one of the most pleasant pistols to shoot this side of 22lr

>>62076072
>it being a "shield design" as if that magically makes it recoil less
I never said that. At all.
My OP states specifically:
>designed *like* a *mini*-M&P Shield
nor did I even mention
>'muh recoil'
it's a bunch of mostly brainlets like (You) freaking the fuck out about 'muh recoil' itt.
As I said already we'll just have to see how it shoots on arrival.

>>62076089
>pleasant
I already specifically addressed this here >>62075960

>>62076117
Then stop talking about irrelevant shit like blowback 380s

>>62076120
>irrelevant shit like blowback 380s
it was (You) who brought up the
>difference between 380 and 9mm is pretty big
when that's demonstrably not true, in fact most 380 detractors pass it over for being virtually equivalent to 9 and end up going with the latter.
Most pistols on the market in 380 *are blowback only* actions.

>>62076152
>when that's demonstrably not true
Please shoot a p365 and a p365-380 back to back

Additionally, (Browning-delayed action or not) the small micro 380s of recent years have pretty shitty recoil characteristics generally.
A user has to be wedded or accustomed to the 'tiny semiauto pistol' philosophy of use, because none of these micros are 'nice shooters'. They suck to shoot.
a micro/subcompact like the Shield 9 is simply going to be an easier and more comfortable and easier pistol to shoot than these micro 380s, in comparison, due to its size and mass alone.

>>62076178
>shoot a p365 and a p365-380 back to back
Never done it.
What's (You)r range report?

>>62076194
The 380 one is astronomically softer and the aim immediately snaps back to where it was before I pulled the trigger every time, with absolutely 0 effort
Shooting it feels like a cheat code
With a regular 9mm 365 I really have to death grip and try hard to get a similar result

>>62076231
>astronomically softer
yes I've heard some of the P365 users reporting that it shoots more mild than the 9mm
Apparently this seems worth it to some, others prefer the additional muzzle energy of 9.
Six of one, half dozen of the other depending on a person's philosophy of use, skills, practice regimen and who you are.

>>62076231
>Shooting it feels like a cheat code
I wonder if that's why .380 is making a bit of a comeback. I'm so used to shooting 9mm and .45 that .380 out of a gun that I can fit 3 fingers is stupid easy to shoot, almost like a .22. For some people, getting bumped up a whole class in a competitive league's qualifier is better than the increased "stopping power" of 9mm.

>>62076231
>>62076315
>>62077671
>i shoot 357 and 44 mag and the kick is kinda there. but i also lift and did martial arts for a while. do people hate recoil because they have poor muscle control?
the brief tighten and softening you learn for muscle control to deflect punches and kicks works with gun recoil too.
i feel like most gun owners never learn their weapons.

>>62077719
Ok, but you still have to apply a lot of effort and muscle application.
With the p365-380 I dont even have to fucking try

>>62077671
>.380 is making a bit of a comeback
the reason is that after the 1980s the .380 blowback pistols that had been around for decades (Walther PP/PPK, SIG, Beretta) fell out of favor and people switched to 9 or 45s for carry, then .40 came along and, later, the popularity of .32 and .380 pockets began in early 2000s w/ Kel-Tec, Kahr... Ruger's LCR was a second wave of this with their 'copy' of Kel-Tec and now people are interested in micro and subcompacts; the 1911 manufacturers w/ the S&W 238 (and 938 in 9mm), Kimber added to the party by the 2010s.
the arrival of the P365 and its 380 adaptation has exploded the market for the less-than-9mm mini pistol, and .380 ACP is an ideal caliber for this size class of handgun.
Now as we see with SIG, S&W and others they're starting to pay attention again to subcompact/micro handgun designs rather than just leaving it to outsider upstarts like Kel-Tec or Kahr.

>>62053127
Any chance of it being +P rated?

>>62053302
>bottom heavy
Bottom heavy is a good thing for lightweight polymer frame pistols. One of the common complaints is that they are too "flippy" in recoil, meaning they rotate around their high center of gravity. If they manage to lower it for this gun that's a good thing.

>>62080864
it'll be interesting to see how this gun balances, handles and fires given the overall design concept modeled on the Shield and its really light weight, how they've distributed that throughout the frame and barrel/slide

>>62080953
I agree with you. I will definitely be trying one of these out when they hit shelves.

>>62079657
Soon .32 will be making a comeback?

>>62082433
if enough ? people demand it... on another thread an anon wants a 80-percent size Beretta 92 in .32 ACP
I wouldn't want one. Unless a really effective and reliable design came along. Take over the P32 and Tomcat market. Maybe S&W will take this 2.0 Bodyguard and make a .32 high capacity variant?

>>62053127
everyone is going to want this. fucking everyone
https://www.youtube.com/waPYTJ0tch?v=UjmFP_Ec8LcK

>>62082697
looks like that link doesn't work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjmFP_Ec8Lc
this should

>>62082618
Idk isn’t S&W still kind of fumbling their 30 super carry takeover? It’s like they got fires in the poker for everything, but don’t offer all options for everything. It’s like their main goal is to 1up keltec for some reason

lmao why would anyone want a S&W when HK is coming out with a 9mm micro

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>>62082756
give it to me now

>>62082706
oh yeah I've been waiting for it.


>>62082712
>30 super carry
discussed ^^^^upthread a bit. I hadn't realized they finally released the Shield version in 2022, seems like a nice pistol. Depends on whether you want to go to a new caliber
I'm waiting for a Shield 45 Plus (w/ the new trigger)

>>62082786
>oh yeah I've been waiting for it.
I love it. I'm waiting for it here in the US...

>>62082706
>>62082771
god I wish I could just buy it right now

>>62082955
it's pretty damn cool. After it showed up at the last year (2023) Enforce Tac they've come out with an optic ready slide for it, since that's become de rigeur for even subcompact and micro pistols these days.

>>62053127
Impressive

>>62082706
>>62082771
>>62083535
bump for HK. not S&W
(watch the video with subtitles auto-translated to english)

it'd make my dick feel good just holding that micro HK in my hand. I need it. it'll be the best concealed carry handgun ever

I'm gonna buy a VP9SK, though. it could be a year before that HK micro hits the states

it looks massive? like there is no way this thing is actually shorter than the Max

>>62086175
literally who cares about that S&W? look at the HK I posted. why wouldn't you want an HK

>>62086181
>look at the HK I posted
hey dude.
I'm the OP. and also likely a bigger HK fan than (You). I await the SFP9CC here in the States.
this topic thread is about the S&W Bodyguard 2.0, and by extension .380 ACP / subcompact-micro semiautos overall
the SFP9CC and OP gun are two different pistols, for different markets.
I'd actually like to hear more about the Shield .30 Super Carry which was briefly discussed ^^^^above itt

>>62086175
>looks massive
>shorter
It's not shorter. the 2.0 is 0.2" longer than the original Bodyguard >>62075033, very slightly thicker and more than 2 oz lighter
it's almost a quarter inch longer than the LCP MAX, about same height, a tenth of an inch thinner than the MAX, and 1 oz lighter

More size comparison specs here >>62070956

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>>62086201
kek
>and also likely a bigger HK fan than (You)
oh my. I am most curious what you might have. I have a collection as well.
I'm just drunk and having fun though. gonna buy this HK soon and wear it with my freedoms

>>62086173
>HK micro
the SFP9CC isn't a micro, it's a subcompact 9mm
if it was about 10 percent smaller and in .380 ACP (which HK is capable of pulling off) then it'd be a micro

>>62086219
can (You) post up size-weight comparison specs between
>VP9SK
>SFP9CC

standard slide for each (not OR slide)

>>62086229
it's smaller then the VP9SK. it's around the size of the P365
>if it was about 10 percent smaller and in .380 ACP
why would anybody want .380. ask yourself that
>>62086234
no. you can look it up

>>62086234
did you look it up? come on, it's your thread

bump for this cool HK
>>62082706
>>62082771
set the subtitles to translate to english. S&W and OP big dumb dumby so dumb he won't even respond

>>62082712
>>62082706
I don't speak turkish, what is this guy saying?

'ol negligent discharge himself just posted a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z7Jv_OVAII

>>62086869
Huh, S&W is sending these out to influencers now. That was faster than expected. Good timing OP

>>62086864
you're putting me on. because I said twice how to get english subtitbles. very funny
>>62086869
>>62087186
I would never buy one of these

>>62087186
>timing OP
I've been gone from tt for 8 hours

>>62086238
>why would anybody want .380
a bunch of people itt do
there was a sperg ^^^^upthread talking about how much easier his P365 was to shoot in that caliber

>>62086238
>it's around the size of the P365
that's what I ? guessed
since (You) are the SFP9CC's most lusting fan post up its dimensions along with the VP9SK

>>62086869
>'ol negligent discharge himsel
kek thanks anon

>>62087506
?
just use 9mm. I've seen too many comparisons where .380 sucks
>>62087511
I'm really upset right now and what does it matter anyway.
>since (You) are the SFP9CC's most lusting fan
thank you for the compliment. yeah I'm gonna go fucking jerk off to it right now

>>62087558
>?
you asked, take it up with the dude who ^^^^gushed about how orgasmic it was for him shooting his P365-380 compared to the 9 version


looks like Sootch liked the 2.0 Bodyguard
judging from the video
>little/no muzzle flip
>nice recoil for the small size
>adequate grip length (compared to similar micro .380s/its predecessors)
>four hundred rounds no malfs
>like a mini-Shield

>>62060169
>Oh, look, every rifle for the next half century will come with a Mauserfied action.
>Oh, look, every rifle for the next half century will come with an Stonerfied safety.
>I fucking hate this fucking gay Earth.
Why are you such a fag?

>>62087683
>take it up with the dude who ^^^^gushed about how orgasmic it was for him shooting his P365-380 compared to the 9 version
I couldn't care less bro. just because he had more fun shooting it at a target doesn't mean I'd trust my life to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB8dxgFI0vg

>>62087705
He's right about warning labels though, they are gay and annoy me.

>>62063037
Why the fuck would you put a dot on a pocket gun? The whole point is to be as small as possible.

>>62087798
Huh? It takes up hardly any room. It won't affect your draw. Trust the technology.

>>62073026
One major disadvantage is you'd have to give money to sig

>>62087500
More like you made this thread just when S&W was already quietly sending these to ytubers

>>62053127
I’m sick of seeing these 10+ round 380acp handguns. It defeats the purpose of a pocket gun. The 9mm 1.5 stack guns are bad enough for belt carry. As much as these guns weigh you might as well carry something you can effectively draw and shoot at range like a Glock 19. If you want a tiny light gun get a single stack 380 or J frame revolver. End of story

>>62088209
>"muh S&W subrosa marketing campaign!11!!1!1111"
no I saw the gun (which I'd never heard of) mentioned on a forum and posted my OP about it here, on Thurs 7/11

range review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JflLkjXR0RI

>>62088451
christ, I did not mean anything by that. Just pleasantly surprised that we're lucky to have this good timing

>>62088495
just that people have been snarking about me having posted this topic, makes no difference to me
also according to the vid review I just posted^^ apparently .380 ACP remains a quite popular customer caliber, in contrast to what some on this thread have claimed.
I was intrigued having first heard of this pistol last week, now after the initial reviews coming in am more enthused.
Needs a shooting comparison with the much vaunted P365-380, also the Glock 42

>>62088309
>defeats the purpose
what's the purpose?
this pistol is thinner and lighter than its predecessor (which was single stack), and also than one of its main market share competitors
Also sounds like (You) should get into an argument with the anon ^^^upthread who loved his P365-380 so much that he ditched the 9mm version in favor of it

>>62088588
I first heard of this pistol because of this thread. I've been waiting for a reply to the LCP Max from S&W for a while already, thanks for the heads up

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From the S&W website, it says:
>Bodyguard .380 (1st gen): 11.9 oz
>Bodyguard 2.0: 9.8 oz
Something is weird about those measurements. How is the 2.0 two ounces lighter despite it having about a 1/2 inch longer slide? Do all those serrations make that much of a difference? The S&W site also says these pistols are the same length (5.25 inches), which is clearly false.

>>62088738
I'm starting to think (as I guessed ? when first hearing of it) that it's a quantum leap in the .380 micro class. It's the lightest one out there, and yet is still shootable, with more grip purchase than its short-stubby competitors and retains a pretty low bore axis (helps w/ barrel flip).
I and others were concerned ^^^^see upthread discussion that it was going to be too light weight, which would make recoil unpleasant or unmanageable but apparently no moreso than most of its micro380 competitors, and likely better than.
Also appears (as the initial tease pics hinted) that they did an excellent job of engineering this 'mini-Shield' design concept into functional reality.
It looks better in the vids than it does in most of OP pics at top of thread

Again, as regards .380 shootability and comfort it needs direct comparison with the Glock 42 and P365-380

>>62088800
A stronger steel alloy so more stuff can be machined out from the inside maybe?

>>62088800
>measurements

Refer to : >>62053133
>>62070956
and >>62075033 (<--"same length", Wrong.)
also watch the Sootch video ^^^which is longer and has more closeups, comparisons with the 1.0 version, Shield 9 Plus, LCP Max
Totally different design than the 1.0, this is a 'mini-Shield' it is not at all based on or related to the first Bodyguard

>>62088800
There's nothing similar about the guns, the way they're made is completely different. The original Bodyguard had a LOT more metal, it was a chassis pistol in a plastic grip. This new Bodyguard is a glock-like format, more similar to other M&Ps. There's less metal, a lot less.

>>62088847
> it's a quantum leap in the .380 micro class
It's a Diamondback DB380 with an extended grip, optional safety, and better build quality. It's got nearly identical dimensions to the DB380 with a pinky-rest magazine, they weigh nearly the same, they're both striker-fired. I'm thrilled for this thing and will buy one as soon as I possibly can, but "quantum leap" it ain't.

>>62088847
Aesthetics and function wise, I wonder why Ruger made the LCP max top heavy with an ugly silhouette reminiscent of a hipoint, with the bore axis looking unnecessarily high. The recoil can't be that comfortable.

And here comes S&W looking like they did the job properly

>>62088941
>it ain't
Lol whatever dude it's going to blow the 380micro competition out of the water.
Nobody gives a fuck or even has heard of your shitposter diamondbackwhatever (<--yes I know what those are and it's a beyond-shitty comparison metric with an obsolete 1990s DAO design no relation whatsoever)

>>62088954
>why Ruger made the LCP max top heavy
It's not their design, anon. The LCP was a nearly 1:1 clone of Kel-tec's excellent P3-AT, then they shoe-horned a single-action trigger into it for the LCPII, then shoe-horned a 2-into-1 magazine into that for the LCP Max. They cannot have a lower bore axis because of how they're made, it's an aluminum chassis in a plastic grip, all of the strength and all of the components have to fit between the top of your hand and the slide and they just barely do. Ruger needed more room for their single-action trigger setup, so it got even taller with the LCPII and LCP Max. You can see this with other guns that have a similar construction, like the original Bodyguard 380, the SCCY CPX, or dramatically with the Beretta Pico.

>>62088954
>Ruger
not much more that could be done with the LCP design evolution, need to take it into a 'standard' polymer-lower concept handgun design
here, S&W already had a template with their M&P and Shields, they just downsized/'micro'ed it for this

>>62087683
Sootch likes literally every gun he shoots and calls them all "a really excellent little pistol"
That said yeah I will have to admit the muzzle flip looks just as ezmode as the p365-380. I'll definitely keep this gun on my radar.

>>62088996
this, good summary

>>62089002
>Sootch
I know that. Already. so do most of us gunfags
We know so much about this, and him, though that even when he says "i like it" there's other read-between-the-lines clues and detail in the review to make discerning judgment on our own.
This one of his was thorough and balanced, didn't throw up red flags about the pistol.

>P365-380
That remains to be seen, imo
someone needs to do a direct shootability/comfort comparison with it, also Glock 42
to put all doubts to rest.

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>>62088996
The Pico is seriously the worst example of this ever. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking.

>>62064848
> That beavertail sticking out of the back, will it be an annoying pressure point pressing on you?
No. The side is pushing against your leg or waist. Not the back.
>Plus it increases the gun's visual profile.
By like 1/8”. It will make no difference.

>>62089042
>Pico
I know and remember when it first came out, seemed so 'neat' but now with this new S&W mini-Shield it's like a dinosaur

>>62088979
Yes, I agree it's going to blow away the competition. I think it's poised the be the absolute best option in this size range. As I said, I'm excited to get one myself, I have and have had many pocket pistols. A good manufacturer finally making a teeny single-stack strikershit like this is a very good thing, I just think calling it a "quantum leap in the class" is a stretch. The DB380 has a half-cock preset trigger, like the Glocks it was based on, and it came out in 2009. You say you know what they are, but I'm willing to bet you've never shot one, you just like running your mouth.

>>62088800
>hmm this slide length is different than this one, and the slide cuts are different. Something isn’t adding up with the overall weight of the firearms
are you fucking retarded? serious question

>>62089088
>never shot one
Nope. Only 380s I have are pre-1990s (including some vintage WWII sidearms)
Not even particularly interested in micro- or pocket-carry handguns either

>the Glocks it was based on
please accept my condolences. I don't give a fuck about the types of handguns you carry and shoot, mine are different. Not getting in to a discussion of the specifics of my collection or shooting/carry proclivities either

>>62089088
>a "quantum leap in the class" is a stretch
No, it's a statement of fact.

>>62089195
It's a statement fit for a radio advertisement.

>>62089213
whatever.
maybe SIG can come up with a competing quip to safe their P365

>>62089229
>safe
*save

>>62089229
>Goes off directly in your pocket, no holster or tourniquet required!
Jokes aside, fuck other companies for not getting on this train. Nearly everyone could've been making these for the last 2 decades, and instead we've been subsiding with limited production Kel-tecs, all the ragged bastardizations of those Kel-tecs (the LCPs/PT-738/Curve/IO Hellcat), a sprinkling of cheap and/or unique guns that never go anywhere or become particularly good (Beretta Pico/the original Bodyguard 380, DB380, Kahrs, Seecamps). I'm so damned excited for someone to make a GOOD tiny glock, it's exactly the size I think it ought to be, they kept the weight right where it needs to be, it's actually made in the format that makes glockalikes what they are, it addresses so many gripes I have about most pistols of this size despite not being that remarkable at all. Just a scaled down polymer strikershit from a reputable brand, about fucking time.

>>62076089
>50% heavier gun
>wow this is so much more pleasant to shoot
I wonder why

>>62087830
Do you pocket carry? If so what gun? A micro dot is adding 0.9-1” of height and width. A LCP (and others) are narrower at 0.81”. That’s going to make it kinda awkward in the pocket. More importantly you’re going from 4” of height to 5” with the dot. You can carry a bigger gun at that point.

It has nothing to do with trusting the dot it has to do with size.

>>62088309
> J frame revolver
You mean something heavier and bulkier than a LCP max or the new bodyguard?
>inb4 I meant the scandium framed .357

>>62089572
>Length Height Width Weight
>LCR 6.5 in 4.5 in 1.28 in 13.5 oz
>LCP MAX 5.22 in 4.12 in 0.97 in 10.6 oz

nta but it's not a huge difference anon

>>62089589
It's a fucking massive difference if you've ever actually held both and tried inserting them into your pockets for comparison.

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>>62089613
I own an LCP II which is slightly smaller than the LCP Max which I carry with a clipdraw, but I'll admit I've never tried to slip an LCR into my belt or pocket while fingerfucking one at a gunshow

>>62089323
>Nearly everyone could've been making these for the last 2 decade
Right I agree.
it seems it sure took a helluva long time to come out with a 'tiny glock' (as you say) pattern micro pocket 380, or even a .32 ACP
imagine one of these 2.0 Bodyguards in .32

>>62089628
I won't pretend it's an awful thing to have in your pocket, not at all, but I'd put your clipdraw LCPII in another league for comfort. There are surely some people who prefer the feel of something like the LCR or a J-Frame to carrying an LCP or a P-32, but I sure as shit am not one of them.

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>>62089613
I can't speak for the LCP Max, but in my experience, despite appearing much smaller, the LCR conceals similarly to the Bodyguard .380 in my pocket.

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>>62089684
Compared to the Bodyguard .380.

>>62089684
>>62089690
I was referring to the difference in comfort, I find a pocket revolver insufferable, but they definitely both conceal extremely well as you've demonstrated.

Does anyone know if this is a partially cocked striker or not? I like to carry appendix and I don't trust partially cocked strikers for that. I essentially want a gun to have no means of firing itself outside of a pulled trigger if I'm going to appendix carry.

>>62089722
should be similar to other M&Ps / Shields

>>62089722
You can buy the one with the extra safety, it's extra safe.

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thats a small gun

>>62089739
>>62089747
I went to S&Ws website page for the gun, clicked the "downloads" part and all it has is the spec sheet. Do they typically add the user manual to that section eventually for their guns? I've never owned a S&W but this is about to be my first if I can find out what safeties it has. I'm not keen on manual safeties but I want to know what internal safeties it has.

>>62089798
>never owned a S&W
go read some reviews, evaluations, range reports on the M&P and Shield series of pistols.
it will familiarize you with this platform design, this Bodyguard 2.0 is essentially a miniature version of the Shield.

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>>62089667
>>62089684
If I were to get an LCR (been thinking about it a lot) I would want to try pic related a carry method. I doubt it would be as comfortable as the LCP, but I've held LCRs and the feel very light.

>>62089042
Is this to scale?? Impressive real estate on that grip in comparison

>>62089892
Only roughly, handgunhero is great but far from perfect.

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holy shit, if this is accurate I may just pick one up as my next carrygun. That's crazy

>>62089951
dude watch the YT review vids ^^^above

>>62089892
>real estate on that grip
it's designed to have minimal slide height, and maximum grip acreage, for such a small pistol. Even compared to the larger Shield on which it's modeled

>>62089798
>what safeties
the Shield series of pistols are available in Safety, and No Safety variants.
in the Shield (and on thie Bodyguard 2.0 also), the Safety variant has the external safety switch+notch at the left rear of the grip and slide, almost at the beavertail but not quite

>>62088996
Good explanation

>>62089187
> don't give a fuck about the types of handguns you carry and shoot, mine are different.
Nta but that’s a weird way to say you made a strong and incorrect statement about a gun you don’t know anything about

>>62089589
Agreed but that wasn’t the point he was making. He specifically said these 1.5 stack micro .380s were too big

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>>62053127
Glock 43x all day

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>>62089042
>>62089083

I don't care what anyone says. I love my pico.

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>>62091264
Jesus Christ there's no way this picture is accurate, is there?

>>62091223
Toyota Camrys are nice cars

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>>62091405
Y'all niggas clearly ain't familiar with pocket pistols.

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>>62091505
I hate our negrified culture so much.

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>>62091405
Glonk 43x isn't exactly small for a micro

>>62053127
This thing getting a pinky extension? all I see is the 12 rnd mag.

>>62092353
I haven't fired a handgun before, and I'm looking to get this as my ccw.

Will my dainty feminine manlet hands have an easier time shooting micro guns? Glove size XS, 5.5 inch wrists here uwu but I'm not weak I think, I can deadlift 240 lbs

>>62092402
No. Smaller guns are worse to shoot than larger guns as a general rule. Having small hands doesn't change that.

>>62092402
Just get bigger hands, as the other anon said, having small hands won't change anything, go shoot most of the popular micros and see what you like.

Why did it take so long for someone to make a .380 pocket pistol that looks like a normal handgun but smaller? This looks like an entirely functional handgun and not some gimmick, and it's actually small.

>>62092353
watch the two YT reviews posted ^^^upthread

>>62092432
discussed upthread^^^^^
anon mentioned
>why did it take so long to make a micro-glock

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>>62088996
Just for fun, here's SCCY's example of the same thing. The CPX-1/2 (Kel-tec clones) compared to the DVG, their striker-fired derivative. The only change in external dimensions was to push your hand down further from the slide.

>>62059147
I also agree with you that the trigger wasn't bad, but the reset constantly gave me grief when shooting rapid fire due to the length and the small trigger guard.

If there was a shorter reset kit, then I would have kept mine. I ended up with the G42 with a minimalist kydex trigger guard holster.

>Still carry a J-Frame with Hogue bantam grips 95% of the time when pocket carrying. With a HKS speed loader in the weak side pocket.

>>62092420
>>62092429
It's just I've seen really big youtubers complain they can't have a proper grip on small handguns. But with the airshit microguns I've tried, I can do a textbook perfect grip. hope my unusually high grip strength can make up for any snappiness

>>62092710
Oh I see what you're saying, yeah you totally may have a better grip on a smaller gun than someone with bigger hands. Smaller guns kick more and all that but like for like you and a bigger fella shooting the same smol pistol you may have an easier time with it.

>>62088588
Thanks for posting the topic, it's been a great, informative thread like /k/ *should* be.

I still hate the fucking trigger on this. With the manual safety plus a responsive, normal trigger, I'd probably buy one tomorrow. .380 isn't a caliber I'm invested in and I don't really want to add it to my inventory ... however, it's a very respectable self-defense caliber and they did good by it with the overall design. First time in my life I've seen a .380 that I would pay shekels for.

Too bad about the trigger. Maybe S&W will grow a brain and offer an non-retarded option. I like they offer a safety & non-safety version to accommodate what individuals want. A trigger kit seems a reasonable and fairly easy option to offer. I want a weapon that is designed for emergency self-defense, such as a trigger guard I can get my large fingers into quickly & smoothly, maybe even while wearing very light shooting or winter gloves. This gun is designed for people with normal hands and in a warm climate ... if only future space doctors would only try to mug me during the Summer, then this would be a good custom option for that specific scenario. Philadelphia in the middle of Winter and this gun will get you killed while you fuck around trying to accommodate the glonk sooper edgy taktikool trigger aesthetic. ™.

>>62092979
The only thing I don't like about the trigger is the way it looks, please don't give real reasons to justify that distaste, I want to live in denial.

>>62092979
>the trigger
(OP here) yeah, see what you're saying there anon valid concerns. Remember too that this 2.0 is 'honey I shrunk the Shield' so there's a lot of bleeding-edge design minimalism here. And its almost certain there'll be replacement/aftermarket triggers

What I'd please like to hear more about is, M&P and Shield users overall what is your opinion on the recent S&W Plus triggers from the factory? whatever caliber/size pistol.

>>62092986
>didn't read the post
>didn't read the thread
>shits in it anyway
yerngmi

>>62093014
>this 2.0 is 'honey I shrunk the Shield' so there's a lot of bleeding-edge design minimalism
Yeah, I get that, and I respect it a lot. It's an exciting design. I would like to put a couple boxes of ammo through one and see if my opinion changes.

Now, maybe a .25 auto version with even more bang-bangs in the mag ... could be a fun plinker even if not a great first choice for self defense.

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>>62092979
Is it a retarded to trim down the trigger safety like pic related so a gloved hand can slip in without snagging?

>>62093085
Extremely retarded. Removing the dingus from almost any trigger like this is very easy if you want to do away with it. If you shorten it, it won't disengage and easily or reliably, it just increases the odds of it catching on a gloved finger and fucking you when you really need it.

>>62093014
love mine. minimal over travel, well defined wall and clean break. I don't like that it's plastic, but that's unavoidable and I'm a fudd for feeling that way. I wish I could get an exact 1:1 metal one, I wouldn't really want to change much else.

>>62093085
Just buy a Sig at that point if you want to shoot yourself in the dick

I want it with a safety but it isn't available anywhere yet. About to order a safetyless one off guns.com tho

>>62093819
disregard. guns.com doesn't have the cabela's I work at as an FFL and I'm not paying a transfer fee

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>>62063143
contrarian or boomer? call it.

>>62093914
>ignoring that making the gun 20% might be a turn off
Post your pocket carry

>>62094350
>>62093914
20% taller. Shit