Say anything about this aircraft. I don't care if you argue in the thread.
is that that one Poland bought? F-16 trainer but adapted for combat?
>>62362653Yes, but the 2 latest versions. OP here by the way. FA-50 is based on the T-50 trainer. The FA-50 is the multirole fighter version of the T-50. There is also another version: TA-50 Lead In Fighter Trainer. It was the version created first before the FA-50. FA-50 has a similar concept to the F-5 in which both of them came from Trainers (T-38 in the F-5's case)
>>62362568Hopefully we'll see the single seat version. It could be a cheap alternative to Gripen
>>62363181No need. We already have Tejas
>>62363181hopefully the single seat version is slightly bigger than the current models
>>62363192Tejas is a nice fighter. I may hate pajeets due to their rapist behavior but they sure make some good fighters.
>>62362568Notice how it looks exactly like th Russian yak-130.
>>62363278How's that domestic engine production going Raj?They started their efforts in 1986 and now coming up on 40 years later and we are still at least 5+ years from a production engine.
>>62362568I am not well enough informed to make an opinion
>>62363395I'm a flip, not a pajeet. me being a flip is why I made this FA-50 thread since it's the only aircraft in our air force that has some (limited) air-to-air combat capabilities because the higher ups are still too retarded to choose between the Gripen or the Viper.
>>62363410fair enough, I'm still waiting for the brahmos to be delivered to our armed forces.
>>62362568South Korean builds the best TVs.Lockheed is an affirmative action shithole with no standards.I don't know anything about this aircraft. I doubt anyone in the comment section knows anything other than being a wiki expert, so...>>62363326The back looks like an F-16 and T-38 mash-up.
>>62363426FA-50/KF-21 has free same issue desu, no domestic engines. Though South Korea likely will have a domestically produced engine within 10-15 years instead of 40+ years like India.
>>62362758>FA-50 has a similar concept to the F-5 in which both of them came from Trainers (T-38 in the F-5's case)N-156 program was initiated to meet NATO light fighter requirement. Even if T-38 flew first and got orders for mass production before actual fighter prototype ever flew, it is by all means cheaper and cheaper to operate trainer variant of F-5.>>62363263Why the hell drive away parts commonality with twin seat variants for no apparent reason? I guess you are retard that sees higher procurement, operating and maintenance costs as benefit.
>>62363750>I guess you are retardI am (i mean, look up flipland's average IQ), but I make up for it by my interest in aircraft because I didn't get to chase my dream of being a pilot (because of budget constraints and slight astigmatism but i still haven't worn glasses yet). I'm a civil engineer in profession.
>>62363426>are still too retarded to choose between the Gripen or the Viper.The real hold-up are shekels.They don't want to spend shekels and instead want to buy foreign properties and pocketing said shekels.The Americans and the Swedes aren't playing ball to impoverished third worlders. The Americans are in no rush, their F-16V line are all good up until 2030 and the Swedes don't really care if nobody buys the Gripen since they're in NATO now and they'll be future F-35 customers.
>>62363769Whole idea of having trainer derived light fighter is share maintenance and production infrastructure with trainer as much as possible to keep costs down. With typical multirole fighters with twin seat operational trainer variants, most common trade off for adding second seat to single seat fighter is lower internal fuel capacity. Probably funniest example is F-15. Single seat A and C models use canopy from twin seat variants, main change being avionics from avionics bay behind twin seat models cockpit moved literally into cockpit and adding larger fuel tank behind cockpit where avionics bay was.>>62363833>Swedes don't really care if nobody buys the Gripen since they're in NATO now and they'll be future F-35 customers.Nope. They are fully committed to Gripen E/F and they are involved in Bongloid led multinational next generation fighter program.
>>62363750In the end of the day it all depends on whether or not KAI receive any demand for larger single seat FA-50.As it is right now the proposed single seat FA-50 will have 30 percent larger internal fuel volume due to backseat cockpit being replaced with additional fuel tank
>>62362568if I've ever seen an airplane before, that sure is one
>>62362568Marawi Siege of 2017 is so far the only combat this aircraft has ever experienced from what I read.
>>62364044with the KF-21 on the horizon, i don't see many people interested in the FA-50 upgrades except maybe some thirdie islands.
>>6236256821st century F-5The top of the range model is pretty good actually, way better avionics than an elderly F-16.
>>62362653It's like saying F-16 is a trainer.
>>62363181So it’s basically a 1 engined AIDC F-CK-1 copy lmao
>>62363181kind of funny that KAI cancelled the development of the single seat version only for them to resume development of it this year for some reason
>>62364079>combat>against a faction with no anti-air
>>62364189We were/still are using the OV-10s too.
>>62364084Even KF-21 is meant mostly for thirdies consumption except for South Korean themselves.These single seat version is for people that are too poor for gripen E
>>62364127They're both derived from F-16 after allYou can also add turk Hurrjet into the mix even though General Dynamics/Lokheeb weren't directly involved in the design
>>62362568It has become the generic SEA fighter plane. Impressive, considering the Correans are new upstarts in this field.
>>62363442KAI made a collaboration with Lockheed Martin to build the aircraft. I mean, the original purpose of the aircraft was to train South Korean Pilots who wanted to fly the F-16.
>>62367146It's simply the new F-5E or A-4 SkyhawkMost major SEA countries outside of the Philippines have actual fighter jets, even Myanmar operates Su-30s
>>62369905we never ALL got the F20's we deserved.all the faggot planes got picked instead of the cool planes.
>>62362568so this is what? a Mini-Falcon?Wikipedia says 80% size of a regular one, but it looks far smaller somehow
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>>62371479I guess its the "comparatively" oversized cockpit that makes it look so weird
>>62362568It's just a trainer aircraft, what is there to say?
>>62371479CUTE AND FUNNY JET UOOOOOOH ToT
>>62371516Go be stupid somewhere else, Baljeet
>>62371539You think pajeets are into cunny culture of anime? The only ones doing it are indonesians and flips, and OP already admitted to being a flip.
>>62371460the cockpit is mega englarged for TWO complete sets of controls, since it was designed as a trainer, instead of the Pilot /gunner combo of other two seaters.see the f 15, even though it has a ginormously huge fucktarded cockpit, it doesn't LOOK that big because the rest of the plane is similarly massive. meanwhile the f14 has pilot / rio and its cockpit is a teensy thing (which is why tinyman tom cruise is finally in a role he legit qualifies for as an f14 pilot, the f14 had manlet pilot requirements for them to FIT into them.)
>>62371800one would think that the switch between Trainer to Fighter, would allow for some changes on the Cockpit layout. it looks ginormous in ratio wise to the plane itself
>>62364091The F-16A wouldn't even pass as a trainer today
>>62372153You mean F-16B? It would pass as fighter, because it is operational trainer fighter. Lockheed-Martin were involved in designing T/TA/FA-50, their limits were limiting performance to level where it wouldn't directly compete with F-16 sales. Also, USAF kinda sand bagged early variants of F-16 to ensure continued F-15 procurement, for fucks sake, F-16 had AMRAAM kill before it was qualified to use fucking Sparrow, something that had been a requirement from 70's. Being almost high-performance fighter probably hurt T/TA/FA-50 sales until Russian invasion of Ukraine, that caused a minor revelation to some air forces that a light fighter is better than fighter in case of war. For many air forces light fighter was the enemy of high performance fighter, politicians might opt for one instead of high-performance fighter.
>>62372803>It would pass as fighter, because it is operational trainer fighterBack thenNot today, as I said>F-16 had AMRAAM kill before it was qualified to use fucking SparrowCitation needed>a light fighter is better than fighter in case of war.You're retarded
>>62373097>Citation neededI'm pretty sure F-16ADF. Version stripped off from multi-role capabilities for air national guard got only certified to launch Sparrow in 1994. At that point F-16 had shot down Iraqi fighter and Turkish UH-60 Blackhawk in friendly fire incident in northern Iraq enforcing no-fly-zone in northern Iraq with AMRAAM.>You're retardedSorry, dyslexia strikes again. I meant: NO FIGHTER.
I don't really get what this thing offers over the Gripen desu.Yes it's cheaper, but it's also worse in every way? Despite running on the same engine?Where did the performance go? I don't understand.The Gripen has more wing, more fuel, considerably higher payload capacity, higher speed and ceiling.Like it's not just expensive sensors and avionics, it's the hard performance characteristics.
>>62373097>>62373162https://www.twz.com/first-aim-120-amraam-and-u-s-f-16-kill-happened-30-years-ago#:~:text=Using%20the%20relatively%20new%20combination,period%20between%20Iraqi%20and%20coalitionI cannot find anything other than this.>The missile was designed to replace the semi-active radar-homing AIM-7 Sparrow. Yet prior to the early-1990s, few F-16s were equipped with AIM-7 Sparrow.So it got an Amraam kill, before it got a Sparrow kill. But other than that.
>>62373162>only certified to launch Sparrow in 1994.NoCertified in the late 80s iirc
>>62373239Nobody that could afford actual fighter jets chose FA-50 because they thought it could replace an actual fighter jet. Fucking flip wanted Gripen even as they're already bought FA-50
>>62373239its a budget F-16. smaller, lower range, less max armament, less weight etc etc.its a trainer turned into a fighter role
Gookshit
>>62362568the latest Block 20 version of the FA-50 ordered by Poland and Malaysia is better than the previous version as it had newer capabilities and can be considered as a "mini-MRCA" with AESA radar and AIM-120 capabilities which put them on par with F-35 and older aircraft like Rafale, F-18F Superhornet and F-15E. The FA-50 capability is as good as a Multi Role Combat Aircraft, a bigger and more expensive fighter jet. The RMAF FA-50 has completely changed the equation in the region and will be the most advanced aircraft in region.The biggest problem facing RMAF right now is the insufficient number of fighter aircraft in service. With only 8 F/A 18D, 18 Su 30MKM and 16 BAE Hawk, despite Malaysia having a large airspace. Malaysian main weakness is to fifth generation aircraft as Su-30MKM is superior to F-18F/F-15E.
>>62374456The block 20 doesn't actually exist yet, it's still on the drawing board.Block 10 exists which gives it basic air to ground capabilities.
>>62374456>which put them on par with F-35The AESA radar in the FA-50 is nowhere near as powerful as the radar in an F-35.
>>62362568I hate it
>>62362568Giving your trainer the ability for fight is a good idea incase SHTF.
>>62374536The original version of FA-50 already has air to ground capabilities. Look up Marawi, the first battle the FA-50 has enganged in.
>>62362568C H O D EHODEcute
>>62374755Yes, the joke i'm making is that in 2020+ "basic" air to ground SHOULD include the use of a targeting pod, which is what Block 10 adds, the ability to use the lockheed Sniper targeting pod.
>>62374780I'm guessing you're making fun what happened in marawi when a mishap led to a bomb sent by the FA-50 to land 250 meters off the target that led to 2 soldier deaths and 11 more injured. Good thing nothing wrong was found in the FA-50s when they were inspected after grounding and resumed fighting again after a few days
>>62374859Again, it's hard to call it a modern air to ground fighter WITHOUT the ability to guide a precision munition.
>>62374875Well, the original FA-50 can fire precision guided missiles. Even managed to sink a ship (retired and was made a target practice) during one of flip x american exercises. agm-65g2
It seems nice enough, always good to have warbird variety it does it's job well and that's enough. Also golden eagle is a kick ass name.
>>62374885That particular AGM-65 variant has an infrared seeker, and is not laser-guided.
>>62374924That's the name of the original trainer version (t-50). The FA-50 is called the fighting eagle. Also, I've read some proposals about making an EW version of the T-50 based on the TA-50 version, the EA-50>>62374926Thanks.
>>62374875Basic bitch TA-50 can fire Mavericks and paveways via FO
>>62374936OP here. I'm still too retarded to know how different the Lead In Fighter Trainer TA-50 is from the actual light Multirole FA-50.
>>62374935God koreans are just chink germans, just choose a name you don't need 120 designations for basically putting the guns in or out of the aircraft.
>>62374936>can fire Mavericks and pavewaysThe mavericks it has fired are infrared seekers and self-guide.AFAIK only the Block 10 with the Lockheed targeting pod can do proper laser guidance.
>kills f-22
>>62374944The T-50s are just trainers, so they can drop dumb bombs and launch Sidewinders like any flying thing and that's about itthe FA-50s are about the same but have better combat-coded avionics, I forget the details but probably shit like flares and threat recognition systems and so onthe FA-50PLs the Polish are getting are much better, they're like mini-F-16s with a (Elbit or Raytheon) mini AESA in the nose for BVR engagements>>62374456fuck off>>62374550>falling for pastaanon...
>>62375649OP (also flip) here. F-22 only lost against our FA-50 because of intentional handicap. stop being retarded. >>62375676What about the TA-50? I was asking about the TA-50
>>62376001by>they can drop dumb bombs and launch Sidewinders like any flying thing and that's about itI meant the TA-50I suppose the T-50 is explicitly unarmed and it's useful to designate them so, but IMHO there is very little difference between them and the TA-50all aircraft can launch Sidewinders and drop Mk82syou can nigger rig a Sidewinder on a fucking Cessna if you wish, because it's a self-contained weapon system; you just need to run the activation and launch controls to the cockpit and a wire to the pilot's headset so he can hear the missile lock sound
>>62376040Holy shit the super tucano. we also have that. T-50 is explicitly for training. The T-50B is for aerobatics and only Korea's Black Eagles own them.t. OP
>>62376081yeah well Sidewinders on prop planes are only good for killing helicopters really
>>62376001You mean an F-22 wouldn't normally get into the merge with an FA-50?
>>62377360duh
>>62373543>Fucking flip wanted GripenThey don'tThey only wanted the Gripen A/B aka shit that Saab doesn't produce anymore for more than a decade because it's only fighter jet that fit their pathetic budgetSaab still has a dozen or so of these second hand mint Gripen A/Bs in their vault but Hungary already bought 4 of them to be upgraded into E/Fs and Ukraine rejected Gripens over F-16s and MiragesBeing a non-communist country they are too poor to properly afford American and European hardware and the only Soviet junk they have in their inventory were paltry alms given by Russia and China during the height of Duterte's regime Their Chairforce wanted F-16s for a long time spanning decadesWhen the Americans were still basing in Subic 3 decades ago they didn't give the Philippines any good shit because they were led by a despot dictator (the current President's father, he was in his 20s at that time)They literally bought the FA-50 since they expected to buy 2-3 more fleets of it and transition to F-16s
>>62377601You reminded me of the funny story about the time when the US were offering to sell refurbished F-16s to the Philippines in the late 90s. There was talk at the time that the PH administration were dragging their feet on the F-16s because they wanted newer jets instead of refurbs but they ended missing out when the Asian financial crisis happened and they could no longer afford them. The US then offered the same F-16s to Switzerland, that was in the process of their own modernization, looking to upgrade their old F-5 fighters. The PH being the eternal cucks that they are approached Switzerland into buying their old F-5s at a discount if it would help them acquire them F-16s. In the end the Swiss opted for Gripens instead and the US ended up rotating F-16s back into active service. As the saying goes beggars can't be choosers.
If the mission is just popping up to lob glide bombs is this thing worse than anything else? (while being cheaper)
>>62364180Probably because they see a big market for light and cheap combat planes for poorer countries
>>62371800Dad still laffs about jap pilots standing in F-15 cockpits while flying.
>>62374456Bet Malaysia could get a killer deal on F-18 right now. Congress just had to force the Airforce to busy to keep the lines hot.
>>62377873They can 1000% afford a few squadrons of F-16 Vipers along with munitions, training equipment and all the hoopla that comes with thatDSCA and Congress wouldn't reject them either and even put them first in line if necessaryThey simply chose to skim taxpayer shekels for mansions, overseas properties and luxury vehicles over national securityIn a real war their politicians and generals will just surrender and leave the country for the PLA to conquer
>>62371539No. Eat my short brown cock. Like your mother does for that sweet sweet coding cash
>>62375649hmmmm
>>62381846that I believe
>>62382193think how much those hundreds of squillions to ukraine could have been used far better domestically for the US forces.
>>62378215They did well in Marawi, except for that friendly fire where the bomb landed 250 meters of the target and killed 2 and injuring 11. It lead to all flip FA50s getting grounded, only to fly them again when they found out that the pilots did nothing wrong.
>>62376040trainer/attack version has autocanon and additional wingtip rails for aa weaponsfighter/attack version is another overall improvement with better radar etc.
