First photos of smol 105mm in Ukrainian service. Say something nice about "the lightest weight, most highly maneuverable self-propelled howitzer in the world."
That’s pretty Kino.A lot of firepower to be that mobile. I wonder what the emplacement/displacement time on it looks like.
>>62507934Specs are next pic>The 2-CT™ Hawkeye is able to shoot a two-round mission and vacate the area in 3 minutes (1 ½ minutes to first round fired).
Flatbed Humvees look great IMO. Like something straight out of the mid century with modern accoutrements.
cute!
>>62507946that seems kind of amazing for something so cheap, are they spamming these??
>>62507912>>62507948>>62507946pretty great for using a chassis that's very out of date and was produced in high numbers
>>62507912Kino
>>62507912Looks pretty based
>>62507912Good way to recycle the ample existing inventories of 105 mm ammo, now that towed light howitzers have become a liability to their crews. Though, >"the lightest weight, most highly maneuverable self-propelled howitzer in the world." is a bit lulzy, given that there are only two of them in military employ (including itself), and the Korean one is a 'Nam-style guntrugg.
>>62507912Good that we're field testing this in a proper shooting war before we needed it. It'd have been a bitch to find out it had deficiencies when we're in the middle of trying to throw a chang invasion force back into the sea on some shitty pacific island.
>>62507912Cool. Give one to each infantry company as a pseudo assault gun.
This is in every way worse than just having a 120mm mortar.>worse payload>bigger logistics footprint>slower rate of fire>same range>more complicated>more expensive
>>62508070here comes the insecure chink desperately trying to insert himself into the conversation
>>62508929105 has greater precision, triple the range, and greater per-shell impact. Apples and oranges.
>>62508929 >bigger logistics footprint How? It's actually lighter than a heavy mortar carrier, which tends to either be tracked, or a big 8x8. With the sole exception of the Wiesel (which however carries very few rounds, requiring a dedicated ammo vehicle, same as this). >same range Boosted 120 mm mortar shells go to around 12.5 km max. Boosted 105 mm howitzer shells shot out of this contraption go about 20 km max.
>>62508964>triple the rangeBro what. 120mm can do 7km.>greater per-shell impact120mm mortar shells weigh 13kg and can have a greater payload because of the smaller stresses of firing.
>>62507912Ukraine has managed to make good use of any piece of equipment so far, but I still think this will be of limited use. It has zero armor and lower range (compared to 155) so it has to operate closer to the front. It will be drone fodder. Seems like a great choice for expeditionary warfare in the sandbox though.
>>62508979You could just as easily mount a 120mm on this same humvee chassis and the ammo is much much more space efficient not requiring shells etc.With normal ammo both have a range of 10km, give or take a couple.
>>62507912They made a self propelled howitzer out of a god damn humvee?Well shit now I really have seen everything
>>62508989>Bro what. 120mm can do 7km.Yes and a howitzer can do 20km, thank you for making me repeat my point
>>62509001>With normal ammo both have a range of 10km, give or take a couple.L118(used in Ukraine) has base range of 17km
>>62509001A 120 mm mortar has cca 8 km range on regular bombs. This soft-recoil howitzer has cca 12 km range on non-boosted shells, which is 50% more.
>>62509009nta but can you share details? I thought these were M102s and I thought those are like 7 miles with normal projectiles and 9.5 miles with rocket assisted. Of course, that's still much further than an M120 can go (about 4.5 miles), so you're not wrong about a significant range advantage, but it's significantly under 20km (12.5 miles).
>>62509030Oh if they're that type then yes, a lower maximum range
>>62507912Is the mobility better than a Caesar ? why stop at 105 ?
>>62507912THEYRE PERFECTLY NORMAL SIZED SELF PROPELLED HOWITZERS
>>62509035I mean that's not an area I'm an expert in, if I misunderstood what's getting used here that's fine was just trying to clarify if I had got it wrong. And double or more the range is still a big fucking deal.
>>62507912It's a retarded concept
>>62507912FPV drone kills everyoneDo they even have drone defenses? It's like wearing a big "please kill me" sign
>>62508070Why are you posting a 122mm gun? Which is on a traditional truck chassis?
>>62508029Cool things like this are always very rare
Are people these days just too retarded to use google?https://www.amgeneral.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Humvee-Hawkeye-2019.pdf>Maximum Firing Range>Charge 7: 7.2 miles (11.6 Km)>RAP: 12.2 miles (19.5 Km)
Why do people think Ukraine made this? AM General made these.
>>62509053Okay we'll send a third humvee to guard the gun humvee and the ammo carrying humvee
>>62509064are these people in the room with you now?
>>62509064who are you quoting, retard
>>62509062I didn't think I would have to introduce the only 105mm in current US military service. (M102 is only in reserve with natguard now.)
>>62509020>>62509035nta (be OP). M20 cannon => M119. Anon linked the relevant sell sheet >>62509062
>>62507980Better quality
>>62507912>>62507948>>62509108The LAT-V will never be this adaptable. Hell, I'd be surprised if anything this adaptable ever gets built again. The Humvee is a unique design developed at exactly the right time in history. Specialization is the future, but the do-anything-mobile is still cool.
>>62509795It'll happen again You just can't plan for it. It has to emerge from the chaos of a thousand shoehorned retcons.
>>62507912I raise you one Beemer with the add on Grad package, and undercarriage coating free of charge
Not sure if the juice is worth the squeeze for this type of system, the low recoil design for the gun shrinks the range pretty substantially and puts it within the envelope of all sorts of loitering munitions that themselves also have a very low logistical footprint.Something like a Caesar is still air transportable by C-130s but has much much greater range.
>>62515137>Not sure if the juice is worth the squeeze for this type of system, the low recoil design for the gun shrinks the range pretty substantially and puts it within the envelope of all sorts of loitering munitions that themselves also have a very low logistical footprint. Thing is, regular towed light howitzers have pretty poor range as is, with the notable exception of the Denel G7 (but that one's ecksbawxhueg for a 105). So they're already within the envelope of hunter-killer drones, hence why both ukes and vats have mostly stopped using old-school 105 and/or 122 mm towed pieces. A lightweight SPG can either run away or hide after shooting. Mandus have been experimenting with a 155 as well, but I personally think that one is a dead end. The range difference is too great between it and a standard 25-liter L/52. In the 105's case there's an argument to be made for ultralight SPGs, but I don't see a genuine niche for a soft-recoil 155.
>>62507980>>62509765Now this is pod racing!
>>62515537Every town's parks and recreation department should have several.
I envision a future of self-driving fully automated humvee SPGs that automatically select targets and fire based on data ingested from an AI-powered BattleNet(tm). Literally nothing could go wrong.
>>62508070>frame bends in half from recoilI give it 100 EFC.
