OH NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHA>https://www.airandspaceforces.com/kendall-new-re-imagined-ngad-cost-less-f-35/
Who'll making them? looksneed or oingo boingo?I'll LMAO if the NGAD turns to be a subsonic fighter.
>>62519950current rumors says boeing won
>>62519950>Who'll making them?>Who'll making
Garaunteed adaptive engines will be cut.
>>62519930>>62519974But then what's the point of this versus just investing in more even longer range weapons?What the fuck.
>>62519957Contract award has been frozen until the program review is finished, so even if Boeing was picked, it doesn't mean they're getting the contract.
>>62520156Make it an autonomous hyper stealthy subsonic with giant AIM 174B class missiles recessed in the fuselage. Also, sensors everywhere.
>>62519930it's so over in 10 years an Amerifats don't even realise it yet
>>62519930we had huge leaps in tech every decade in the cold war but now we struggle to surpass 20 year old tech
>>62519930Lmao i blame the new ballistic missile for this. Fuck Sentinel
>>62520540why not the f-35 itself? this is happening because everyone involved in funding that has buyer's remorse on some level
>>62520568I'll let you post all the countries officially saying that. Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>62520156Combat radius. The F-35 doesn't have the legs for the USAF to operate from beyond PLA and Russian (notional) missile range and the F-15EX with drop tanks is too visible on radar for penetration of the enemy radar net.
>OH NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAoh noooo newer things are better and cheaper than old thingsoh noooooooooooo
So is this a scale down the final plane's capabilities cutback, we buy less of them cutback or a we buy more and let the economics of scale kick in so we save money cutback?
>>62520602im talking about all the US officials and defense committees who sign off on funding such programsyou know the same people who are balking at forking over money again, you know the topic of this thread...
>>62520655Sounds to me like they're canning the idea of an F-22 successor entirely and reallocating their resources to an F-35 successor.
>>62519930Most aircraft should cost less than the F-35. If your project costs more, than something's gone wrong.
>>62520513Defense spending used to be much, much higher than today.
>>62519930>>62519950>>62520630>>62519957>20XX>Boeing's latest major fuckup results in NGAD finally dying.>Airforce needs a long range deep penetration air dominance option though.>B-21F appears a year later.>Enlarge bay carrying AIM-174s in a rotary launcher.>Improved low probability of intercept data link>General Atomics Kratos DSS Valkyries fitted with better radar and IRST.>Chinks laughing in internet turns to rage as their Tawain invasion forces looses all air control assets in the span of 5 minutes as b-21 shit out Standard missiles like 4th of July fireworks. >F-22 still remains a forever virgin.
>>62521076>B-21FWay too expensive...IMO it'll be a subsonic fighter (all the adaptive cycle engine for supercruiser and super long range was an oxymoron), something closer to the bastard child of the A-12 avenger and the X-32. Similar range to the A-6 Intruder, MTOW and size of a mid to heavy fighter, 20t-25t. The programs is essentially a 6th gen escort rather than a interceptor like the F-22, anything faster than the B-21 would be feature creep and for safety it'll have the Royal Wingman. A weird fighter more appropriate for the navy...
>>62521178>subsonic fighter>current yeatishygddt
>>62521191>limited budget>B-21 escort>very long range>decent payload>StealthYes, subsonic.
>>62520860Well, yeah, it's peacetime. Operational readiness is expensive, doesn't mean we're spending less on R&D.
>>62519930>mayit’s fucking nothing
>>62519930This account is a retarded shill with retarded follower incels upboating anything he writes
>>62519930If big airforce isn't doing its super duper fighter, sounds like ww3 isnt on the plate either. SAD.
>>62521640probably the opposite you dont put new tech into production when going to war, you expand your current production lines, it makes way more sense to produce more f35 and f22
>>62521076>B-21Fshoudlnt it be B/F-21
>>62522059>produce more F-22Tourist
>>62519930X-32 has a chance!
>>62521238We are though. Stock buybacks should be illegal generally, but definitely for defense contractors. In the few decades since they became legal the firms have stopped doing in house R&D almost completely, relying entirely on DARPA et al and then claiming exclusive production rights on technology and design they didn't even create. I think the next crop of MIC corporations will largely be privately held for related reasons
>>62520156More top gun movies
>>62521178>Royal Wingman
>>62524242I think it's more that we just don't hear about the R&D they do, Lockmarts new AGM-174D (1100mile range A2A missile) is all inhouse R&D, same with the SR-72
>>62520568>>62520673unit cost is getting lower all the time
>>62527549Yeah but the money is in developing the platform, not producing it in numbers.
>>62520271Actually it's over in two weeks.
>>62521076I need a long deep penetration ;3
>>62520860GDP also grew while defense spending didn't as much.
>>62528367By simple merit of not needing three (3)! variants of the same airplane with wildly different requirements, and constraints, the development won't have nearly as much development cost/kinks to iron out. This isn't a point of argument, this is a point that comparing it to the F35 only makes you and OP look like a seething third worlder.
>>62521076>>F-22 still remains a forever virgin.At least F-22-kun got the military equivalent to a sad half hearted hand job from a drunk fat girl in her car after her shift at a waffle house. Sure her hands were heavily calloused and there wasn't any lube so she just sort of half heartedly licked her hand, and it was awkward and you couldn't really get hard at first because she wasn't that much of a looker and you were nervous, but in the end you still got to bust a nut. Or at least you thought you were about to, but it turns out that wet spot you felt was just her teaes once she started breaking down and sobbing halfway through things about how horribly wrong her life has gone with her being 47 years old, divorced with no kids, and one of her cats just had to be put down from leukemia, like 8 years ago but it's still a sensitive thing you know? Through it all the whole time she's still trying like a trooper though, but she's tired from her shift and has bad carpal tunnel, so the strokes are getting further and further apart and theres less effort going into each one. it's less of a handjob at this point and more of her just shaking her hand it frustration and despair about how unfair it all is. At this point you've long since accepted that you're not going to cum, but you already gave her the 30 bucks, and you know you're not gonna get it back even if you ask her to stop, so you just have to ride this experience out until it's over.
>>62530362I want you to write my eulogy.
>>62521076>Fighter designation on F-117>only ever used for bombing>Bomber designation on B-21>ends up an air dominance missile boatThere’s no saving this timeline
>>62530362'capped
>>62519957>current rumors says boeing wonReally? Their civilian division is in the fucking gutter right now, their space division just hit a big embarrassing pothole, but I this won't affect their military division, right?
>>62530362kek
>>62530362>>62530550>>62530952>>62532117samefag
>>62519930SpaceX comes as a surprise competitor and offers the Starship mil version.
>>62520156Republicans have to please donors. After ula went to shit and china now has a competitor to Boeing and Airbus on civilian jetliners they are fucking done So Boeing will have to get the contract or it will die off.Before this there was 2 large civilian jet manufacturers in the world now there are 3.
>>62532133Holy shit fuck off back to /pol/ already you tiresome fag. Effortposts like this are pretty common here and people appreciate them.I'm sorry your gay friends in Lebanon got their bollocks blown off and Russia is down approximately *checks notes* ALL the ammunition North Korea sold them, but those are the breaks.
>>62532133seethe and dialate ziggertranny
>>62521178Are there any tech demos of loyal wingman systems? Using any simple or light platform that flies like a plane, vs drone swarm?
>>62519930>a platform which is supposed to do one thing rather than three things and likely to involve an unmanned component which at lest in some variants would eliminate a quarter of the fucking weight of the aircraft can be made cheaper.>congress has penny-pinching commitees
>>62530362Fucking hilarious
>>62532080It's just a sign that they need a big juicy contract to keep them afloat.
>>62532510>Are there any tech demos of loyal wingman systems?heres one^currently in service too
>>62519930this is honestly a good thing. Ridiculously expensive vehicles is not the way forward, especially in a war of attrition. Dog fighting is dead, and if AI is good enough we don't need pilots on board. All we need for air dominance is a turbo stealthy unmanned platform that flies at 80,000 feet and launches telephone poles at incoming fighters
>>62529984Yep.
>>62533934OK, so this loyal wingman is not just something usaf wants. It's something that it already has and is improving.
>>62534807no, i would think of it more like the USAF's hypersonic missilethats what this "loyal wingman" is most like
>>62530016Discord?
>>62534807I remember vaguely hearing about loyal wingman years ago, it would be very strange if they hadn't at least made a proof of concept by now.
>>62520860So is diversity
>>62519930wow, that's great! so cheap, yes, please do it for cheap the taxpayer>big milestone comesHey you spent 80% the budget and its 90% time to the deadline hows the cheap fighter coming?>around 10% donewhat? how? >give us more money, like 10 times the amount and it might be finished in a couple of years.. either that or let the terrorist invade america, yer choice. You literally can't ask anyone else. And if that werent enough everyone here is 10 generation of friends with everyone of your bosesse. So good luck deciding anything else that isnt giving us as much money as we wantevery single time. so predictable.
>>62519930Mark my words, 6th gen will be the last traditional fighter jet before we go fully unmanned.
>>62534807look closer, that dorito ain't a 180
>>62519930I thought the project was cancelled.
>>62535060>we go fully unmanned.Oh boy. Top Gun 3 will be about 98 year old Tom Cruise (deaged to 65) being the only pilot available after all the unmanned jets were hacked.
>>62519930>develop system>refine and make it affordable and thus be able to produce at scale>this is somehow disastrous in your eyeslollmao even.you fucking manufacturingcel
>>62535800I feel like that movie was already made close to 20 years ago.
>>62520156It's theoretically cheaper to reuse the majority of the weapon transportation system. If we blew up an entire F-22 every time we wanted to shoot down a plane we'd end up at a loss. So you carry cheaper, shorter-range missiles into combat on a reusable platform.In practice, with US defense procurement gold-plating every large weapon system, I'm not so sure it's cheaper than just spamming missiles. I mean, there isn't even a need for a fighter if you have enough missiles to take out all the ground targets. Ukraine has defeated Russia's navy without having a navy of their own, and has crippled Russia's air force without having an air force of their own, and they don't have $800 billion a year to spend on their military.We spend a lot on vanity over raw effectiveness.One year of military spending could buy around 25,000 intercontinental ballistic missiles.
>>62535844https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2PW7a9ViDc
>>62521076Would a B/F-21 be payload constrained or volume constrained?
>>62536004Honestly better looking than I remembered, but depressing to think that 20 years wasn't really hyperbole.
F36- Exquisite Eagle
>>62536151that movie is absolutely flaming hot trashprime jessica biel tho
>>62532882>eliminate a quarter of the fucking weight of the aircraftWhy would you do that? Just use the saved weight to add more missiles.
>>62530362That was epic
>>62536004>20+years later and they STILL dont have the revolver-launcher for f35 internal bays*ehem*-in development-planned-expected-deliveries 2030+they got everything else PERFECT regarding the navy airmpeople tho
>>62519950>only a NGAD
>>62535948>and has crippled Russia's air force without having an air force of their ownWhat about LE GHOST?
>>62539513Post the tank one
>>62544851There'll not be a real 2030 series of crewed fighters, especially if they limit the number to barely 200...Specially if the engines are really new and completely different from any current commercial turbofan's core, it would be the first truly new design since the late 1980s (core of the F119).
>>62519930at least we still have FCAS and GCAP
>>62519960You must of thought that sounded clever
>>62520568>15% of 'our greatest ally in the middle east' population are Russian speakers straight out of the still Soviet Union>oh, yeah, building, R&D, coding et. al. these things with them intrinsically guarantees them being backdoored or sold on to 'near peer' adversaries. F-35 was always handmedown tech to ratchet forward only enough for overmatch without showing their spook hands.
>>62545020no you fucking retard, it sounds fucking retarded, that's the point
>>62519957> BoeingIt's over
>>62520540It's not even the fault of the missile R&D = that all fell within expected cost estimates. The reason Sentinel got so pricey is the USAF forgot you have to actually have to renovate the missile silos too - ironically pouring concrete and buying real estate is a lot more expensive.
