RIP USSOCOM Extreme Long Range-Sniper Rifle edition

>At the moment, we are not moving forward with this effort. We appreciate your interest and hard work in responding to this RFI. Due to changing priorities, we are pursuing other efforts.

>>62756468
>the .375 EnABELR
who comes up with these names?

>>62756668
IIRC, the initials of the designer were AB and it was designed for ELR, hence ABELR. Then I guess he tacked on En to make it a word.

I hope Howa comes out with a mini in 338 arc

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live

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So after having not shot the thing since around 2018, I decided to dust off the R700. Now I know 25 yards isn't Craig Harrison levels of precision, but at this point I'm just happy I can keep three shots in a group with it still

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Using a thermal optic at night and training in long range shooting on a fully powered semi-auto like an AR-10 is a severe advantage. Don't hesitate to send it and kill the zionist. With a thermal scope you can store a video on cold storage to transport without emitting a signal and upload as propaganda.

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PRI mk12, i'd shoot mk262 if it wasn't 2.50$ a round, I shoot PPU 75gr hpbt, it's a great 700m gun, for longer range i got my homemade K31/19, you cannot beat 7.5 Swiss price/accuracy ratio, 1100m easy

>>62756456
Good for you making this OP.
>TODO LOL
I'll apologize as one of the anons who said they'd work on the infographic. Fwiw I did start updates but got distracted with work and using my new bolt gun. In my defense it's been about the most beautiful week of fall I can remember in like 15 years, holy shit has it been magic to go shoot and enjoy (except for a shitload of ticks but nothing is perfect and permethrin deals with it).

>>62758417
>i'd shoot mk262 if it wasn't 2.50$ a round
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2090124928?pid=894610

I know nothing about scopes but want to try 500-1000m
what is the difference between $200, $500, and $1000 scopes? is there a point in price where more money doesnt get you much of a better product?

>>62758476

i should have said 2.50chf, I'm not in the US, and we don't have that jew ammo here

Never had a modern bolt gun before. Is a .223 a good starting point since I already stock it for my AR or should I start with a .308?

>>62758451
NP. I'm the OP who talked about doing a new rentry (and the one who restarted the general) so I've been procrastinating longer than anyone on that front. Links on infographic progress? I missed most of the last thread.

Weather hasn't been great here, but I've barely had time to do more than glance out the window so I haven't been missing much.

>>62758307
Are the Aussies going to keep this out of civilian hands too because of it being a scawy militawy weapon? Not that there's a shortage of bolt action rifles in the world, I just wanted to shit on Lithgow for being such effete bitches

>>62758503
Magtech 77gr? I know it's available here in Europe but not sure about Switzerland

>>62758417
That is a sexy K31, anon.

>>62758479
>what is the difference between $200, $500, and $1000 scopes?
There's a minimum floor price to get something that'll actually hold zero under heavier caliber fire, usually somewhere in the $250-300 range last I checked. You don't want to go so cheap you end up airsoft tier, there just isn't any point. But any of the current value players (where vortex was years ago) like arken, element optics, etc are all gtg in that respect and deliver excellent value. I would definitely start there if you're just beginning and want to try things out for a bit. There is definitely a major falloff in the $/value curve as you go up in price these days, and manufacturing has improved amazingly. Today's low/low-med tier stuff can crush nice stuff from 10-15 years back. More can still be worth it, but if you're paying a lot it's best to know specifically what you're after. Money basically buys:
• Glass: Somewhat less chromatic aberration, more transmissivity across full range etc. This can matter a lot at 1500+yd, but not critical to getting going.
•Multiplier ratio: a 4x or 5x (ie, 4-16, 4-20) is cheaper to do then 6x/8x/10x.
•Reticle choice: for nice stuff you can typically just pick from a range of reticles for whatever you want, vs a specific model coming with just one.
•QoL/niche features: kind of a grab bag, but some high end stuff has specific special features like extreme elevation adjustment built-in. These can be very cool if you need them, or matter not at all.

But for starting out yeah you'll be fine with $250-450 stuff. From previous threads this year, you should be able to do a complete solid 1000yd prs build with new stuff for maybe $1200-1300 total, including rifle, bipod, and optic. That'll be lots of fun. If you've already got a decent AR10 or something of course can just use that to get going.

Used market always worth checking too fwiw, sometimes nice optics come up cheap.

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>>62759781
Had never heard of them. Seems decent.

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>>62758307
>Never spend a penny on turncoats

What’s everyone’s opinion on precision cartridges? Full size only or do smaller 6mm calibers count?

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>>62758417
Where is this paradise located anon?

>>62756894
I would be on this.

>>62758303
>no flip ups
>no flash kill
>no cup.holder
Needs more shit on it.

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>>62759928
>he doesn’t tactically dehydrate himself to decrease his overall weight

NGMI

>>62759873
I mean, end of the day, is it capable of 1000yd with reasonable accuracy and consistency (ie, doesn't require ludicrous elevations or absolutely dead still air)? A few of the newer smaller caliber cartridges can pull that off, like 22creedmoor actually is pretty decent looking. Other smaller class stuff just doesn't work though, whereas at 6.5mm/.26" and up class you're almost always ok. If it'll take you to 1000yd though and has good accurate options available, no fundamental cartridge flaws that make consistency hard, then can be used for prs.

Of course in the context of this thread there have been plenty of recommendations for and enjoyment of accurate 22lr even. It can be a great way to practice basics on a super budget living in a place where long range shooting isn't easily (or at all) available, since shooting 22lr 200-300yd involves a lot of the same fundamentals as shooting 308/6.5 700-1000yd given it's affected by wind and drop much more quickly.

Never Shot LR bevor, only .223 at 100 max. I want to dip into long range by starting of with a .22lr. propably a tikka t1x or bergara. Would be the tits to have the same gun in .22 and later in .308 or 6.5CM. what are /k/'s toughts in that?

>>62758536
Bumping this

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Should I buy a PA65 upper for $600 or a spend a few hundred more and build a BA10 upper with a Faxon barrel? Would there be any noticeable difference in performance?

>>62758536
>Is a .223 a good starting point
What's your game, paper, steel, prs, prarie dogs? .308 will buck wind better. But in any case, go .30PRC OR 6mmArc for the win.

>>62758536
>>62760560
For a green field new gun with no existing investment in 30cal, I'd suggest starting with 6.5. To my genuine surprise it's actually gotten as cheap for decent ammo as 308, or less even, and is superior in all respects from a prs perspective. If you already had an AR10 and a lot of match 308 that'd be different, but if you're going to invest in a bolt for any sort of ranged fun/experimentation from scratch and have an AR15 right now I'd go with 6.5.

Tikka T3Xs and Bergaras are solid rifles easily capable of taking someone to 1000-1200 yd, and I regularly see for <$700, new. Rem 700 is another common /prg/ rec. If you want to get fancier you can of course but I don't think you'd be unhappy with any of those.

>>62758354
>video on cold storage to transport without emitting a signal and upload as propaganda.
most thermal scopes nowadays have a wifi chip for wireless transfers.

>>62761389
if you owned one, you would realize you can turn it off

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>>62761397
If you care about "cold storage" the fact that a wireless chip is in is already enough to worry and search for a different model. Having a backdoor in the code that allows someone to turn on a microphone or the wifi without the user knowing is really old stuff and pretty simple.

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Kalashnikov reported that only two entrants in the all russia long-range tournament took the SV-98 out to 1000m. Is it really that difficult?

>>62761994
x54r is just not suited for those distances.

>>62756456
Y’all like the m77 Hawkeye?

>>62762277
equipment is an important portion of success as the ammo, optic, and rifle quality all play a part. russia can make decent domestic stuff but kind of like the chinese its a crapshoot on if any given production run is up to snuff. the other large part of the equation is how much trigger time those MPs have had on that system at that range.

I feel like I've always been fed stories about the soviets and then russian snipers being more akin to western designated marksmen or western LEO snipers concentrating on precision work inside of 2-300m. mid to long range precision may just not be part of their training.

>>62762277
x54r as a cartridge is fine and can be loaded to perform very well. as part of a service competition though presumably using ots russian ammo I agree there are not amazing options.

>>62762311
in general I think Ruger makes good rifles although the hawkeye scope base style is antiquated and could use an update imo.

ok fellas, I'm looking to build a 223 custom and I'm trying to choose an action.
I like the Terminus Apollo for the 60 degree bolt throw but I hear the bolt lift is heavier and not as smooth as a 90 degree throw bolt. I was also looking at the Zermatt TL3 because it has controlled round feed but does controlled round feed matter that much with 223?
Going to be putting it into a full rail MDT ESS with an Optika 6 3-18.
Any recommendations or things I should know before I buy?

Just got my first hunting rifle, Ruger American with a vortex HSLR scope. Am I going to fuck it up if I try to mount the scope myself? How precise do you need to be?

>>62759447
I had the opportunity to finger fuck a nice rifle in a good stock recently and it just felt so right in my hands.

>>62761470
you're a schitzo anon.

>>62763152
>$1300 action
>$600 scope
why

>>62763152
I was thinking the same as the anon above me. Why not build on a howa action? Or a Tikka for the 70° bolt throw?
>CRF
Wouldn't matter unless you're on a dangerous game safari hunt

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I have a tikka t3x chambered in 270 with a higher end vortex pst scope on it. It's my hunting rifle and I usually only shoot within about 300 yards. Haven't really tried any long range shooting before. I've heard 270 isn't great for like 1000 yard distances, but I've also heard retards say it was too small for elk hunting. You guys have any opinion on my setup's ability to do precision stuff? Pic related isn't mine, but it's one of these.

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>>62763991
No, I couldn't care less about such stuff outside of just moral stuff because I'm not a politically active person so I'm not getting my pager blown off, I just wanted to point out that believing on a hardware feature being 100% reliably blocked by the software is useless as its been shown time and time again (and explained quite well in Snowden's book). If someone brings forth an argument like transporting sensitive videos on cold storage then your needs are definetly not just smuggling old .mp3 from limewire to some friends. If you want a video/audio feed or a device to not be able to to be 100% unavailable you need something that disables it at the hardware level.

>>62756456
Have a Browning Abolt II that I recently won in an auction in .270... The bolt heads can be swapped, was looking at getting the head needed for 7MM Rem Mag and having a barrel turned by Lothar Walther. Goal is just a gun for punching paper at 1k and an occasional hunt.

>>62764624
Just shoot and see. Start at 500 and work out. I think your biggest issue is that most .270 ammo is designed for hunting, so the emphasis is terminal ballistics, not external. Premium field ammo should still hold a decent group though.

Henry at 9 Hole has taken the TRG pill and I like it.

>>62764624
270win is totally fine to 1000yd anon, just use something like 145gr ELDX. In terms of raw ballistics at that distance it's similar-ish to 7mm rem mag, though of course without the headroom for heavier stuff. And a t3x is an excellent rifle. I don't think you'll have any issues getting going with it, if the long range bug really bites you then you can pick afterwards but I wouldn't worry at all for trying it out. If anything a scope would be more likely to be the challenge point depending on what you've got now, a lot of perfectly serviceable older hunting scopes are a stretch for 1000yd.

>>62764006
for the average person going past an optika 6 is getting into severe diminishing returns

>>62764791
imo target shooting magnums at only 1k is a tough pill when there are so many competent chamberings that are kinder on the barrel/wallet and can still turn around and hunt at standard ranges.
In a non-competition target shooting context while I've had times at the range where I've only put 10-20 rounds down the pipe and been satisfied, most of the time its a few times that and any magnum will eat a barrel somewhere between a dozen and two range trips at that rate and not really perform any better inside of 1k for it.
If you only get it hot target shooting a handful of times a year then the amortised cost is easier to swallow, but if you are out every couple weeks your smith is going to learn your name quick.

>>62763059
>russian snipers being more akin to western designated marksmen
That's the whole thing. Look at the SVD. They call it a sniper but both their "sniper" doctrine and capabilities of the rifle are to a T what we consider a designate marksman. Nowadays for police work they have true snipers as well, but historically and for their current army they still treat snipers as we do DMs

>>62761157
Finally people are starting to acknowledge this. 1 round of 6.5 is a lot cheaper than missing with 7.62 or 5.56

>>62766329
the dmr/spr crossover users keep them relevant when dirt shooting is part of the fun, but for pure precision work there really isn't a good reason to not get into something more appropriate.

>>62766329
Unfortunately boomer fuds are retarded and will continue to suck off 308 despite it being a dead round either that or they enjoy missing

>>62763152
I own the origin and I think its a better option unless there is some customization thay you like better on the tl3. Im a big fan of the krg bravo but i own the lss xl gen 2 and its also good . You can google "consolidated list of tactical actions house plant" and find a semi outdated list of actions and their characteristics, there's not much controlled feed actions but mine are nice (origin and coup de grace)

>>62766329
6.5 is still more expensive here than .308

>>62759560

you'd be surprised, the PPU is just a little slow at 810m/s but the projectile and SD are actually really good, I'm shooting about 1.5 MOA and that's plenty accurate for 700m, I found that knowing your gun and have a feel for how the bullet drops, what kind of wind call to make far outweighs nerding on ammo and never actually practicing

>>62759647

thanks, carved the stock myself, its a little rough but it's glass bedded, super duper accurate this gun

>>62759878

somewhere in the Swiss alps

>>62767539
reading comprehension of a cinder block

>>62766173
I think it's more that I've always wanted to build a custom rifle off of a Big Seven. If you were to choose a different cartridge for it, what would you go with? It's a swappable bolt head, so I have options. Lothar will turn a barrel for anything.

>>62768009
the heart wants what it wants so if a 7mm Rem is calling your name then it's not fair to push you off course. that said, in the same class of bullets and your current bolt face you could ride a 284 Win for probably twice as long and really only lose some unneeded (for your range) speed. if you roll your own then you could have it throated for the heavier vlds or ablrs that you probably could not manage to fit in a 7mm Rem repeater.
similarly you could go for a .470 short action chambering to either shoot cheaper factory match ammo or pretty much ignore mag length concerns with heavies. if a magnum is still on the menu but any will scratch the itch whatever flavor of PRC you find most attractive is really hard to argue with for target shooting since they dump the belt, allow for longer projectiles natively, and factory ammo is no more expensive than other magnum match despite the better performing projectiles.

>>62767539
>6.5 is still more expensive here than .308
its more expensive everywhere, anon is just delusional

>>62769503
It kinda should go without saying anon but in the context of /prg/ specifically we're naturally talking about decent ammo. For a battle rifle I definitely think 308 still has real advantages, and the cheapest ammo being cheaper for now is one of them. But there is no point in using cheapshit high spread ammo out a nice bolt at 1000yd, or 500 for that matter. Defeats the whole purpose.

Nice 308 is significantly more expensive, and 6.5 genuinely does beat it out at that point.

>>62768481
Hmmm. This has given me more to think about. Tbh if I don't do 7mm mag I might just leave it in .270; the difference between .270 and .284 isn't enough to warrant pulling a barrel with plenty of life still in it, but fulfilling the itch I've had for years might be.

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>>62769642
the 270 will have more ass behind it and if the current barrel can withstand the heat of what you want to do then there is no super compelling reason to get rid of a good barrel just to rechamber for 284. 284 just allows for spicy projectiles and enough powder to get the job done without erosion issues.
as i said previously since 7mm Rem Mag has always been a desire of yours its probably worth keeping on the table even if you decide to shoot the 270 to death before you move over to it. bench racing chambering efficiencies doesn't count for a lot if they are not what you actually want.

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>>62769594
>Nice 308 is significantly more expensive, and 6.5 genuinely does beat it out at that point.
lol no

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>>62769594
>>62771568
andif you go to ammoseek instead the cheapest Federal gold medal 308 is 1.12 per round versus $1.33 per round. but i'm sure you'll come back with some apple and oranges comparison after spending an hour trying to cherry pick it.

I got a Ruger American in .30-06, what should I do with it?

>>62771568
168’s suck though

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>Finally got to 1000yds
>Very happy

>>62771795
It's a good feeling isn't it. The delayed gratification of hearing the "ding," and seeing the target move way before that is fucking rad.

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>>62772077
Well, 77gr going 900fps on a 40lb steel plate, you don't see or hear much of anything lol
I put hit indicator flashers on the target

>>62771702
rebarrel in 300wm or sell and get one in 6.5

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I'm gonna fix this next range trip

>>62772087
Shit anon I didn't even look at the rifle - that's good fucking work man

>>62771760
the 175grs are the same price, and the Federal GMM 185grs with berger OTMs with a higher BC than the 140gr 6.5mm MatchKings are still cheaper

>>62771795
Tell us more about your thoughts on the Arken we've had dudes in here look through them but no one speak up about ownership impressions/long term comparisons to other optics.

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>>62773730
Thanks, I still can't believe it even got out there. Only a 16" too

>>62773846
The zero stop is solid but it stops the turret a cunt hair short of perfectly lining up so when you're dialed out to like 50moa you spend a second questioning if you're actually at 50, or 51? That said, you can dial insane amounts of drop just on turret without holdover, the glass is good <enough>
The parallax dial isn't accurately numbered but it's within 50 or 70 yards, so long as you set the diopter for your eye.
It's built like a shit brick house and I don't even carry it to the range in a case, rifle just gets tossed in my back seat.

It's good enough for bench shooting at steel out to 1k. It's SIGNIFICANTLY better than a vortex in the same price range, especially due to quality of life features like the zero stop, massive turrets, tube and objective diameter, and reticle.
But it's not amazing, the glass has very minor chromatic aberration on white paper targets in the sun, the zero stop always holds the turrets just a liiiiitle off true zero (like 0.1moa), the colors washe out at max magnification, and it is a billion fucking pounds.

If the budget is running out and you just need an optic for building skill, it's fine.
If you just need something with lots of drop for your .22? It's fine.
If you need an optic that can float between builds or be used to confirm accuracy before putting a lower magnification dedicated optic on something, it's fine. I actually think its best use is as a 'spare' or loaner optic for your safe so you can work on stuff while hunting deals for 'the right scope'

I use an EP5 on my .22 and it plays all day at 400yds, 500yds with a 23moa holdover in the reticle

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>>62775068
Sorry, I wrote this right after waking up. Obviously it's 0.25moa clicks so it would be "did I dial 50 or 50.25?" Since the zero stop sits the turret just a little off.
That's honestly the worst part about the scope that I've found after using it for a year. It's also not a guaranteed problem, it seems to depend on exactly where your zero actually sits on the revolution.
Overall I'm really happy with it and seeing my buddy struggle with his vortex, or stacking retarded brass shims under his turret trying to imitate a zero stop, makes me confident it was the right purchase in the price range.
I wouldn't use it if I had the funds for something nicer with the same features, however.

Here's a target at 900 yards through the 25x on my EP5

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wots the best way to mount an arca rail to a traditional stock? i really dont want to go down the chassis rabbit hole

>>62776068
T-nuts or a chunk of aluminum or steel running the length of the Arca on the other side of the stock. add some glue/epoxy if you want.

>>62775068
>>62775115
Nice dude, appreciate the time typing. Actual ownership experience is always nice since you may have caught something others missed in passing impressions.

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>>62776058
STOP BEING SEXY AT ME

>>62776778
I'm now reminded that I should get a KRG Bravo so I can pretend I have a TRG.

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>>62776840
Whiskey gen6 is better

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>>62776940
but muh fin aesthetics

>>62756456
Im looking to get into long range. The furthest i can reasonably shoot right now is my buddies property for about 1/4 mile. Im looking at getting a bergara b14 HMR in 6.5 creedmoor. a local range goes out to a mile and if i decide to continue going further im going to build a 300 PRC off of a criterion arms action and barrel. Unfortunately I am left handed so a Tikka CTR is off the table for me and a bergara b14 premier is also off the table. Does anybody have any other recommendations for a remington 700 pattern off the shelf rifle before I commit to the bergara? I found one for $900 brand new and im thinking im gunna snag it if its still on sale by mid november for a birthday present to myself.

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>>62776996
>bergara b14 HMR
Just be aware of their warranty, they don't have a ton of faith in their guns.

>>62776996
in the $1kish arena you've already nailed down the primary choices being Bergara and Tikka. after that you pretty much double the budget to prefit on an origin or a a semi-custom like a seekins, aero, etc then double the budget again for a full custom.

>>62763947
Bump please help

>>62777014
noted. Ill look into tikka options but the chassis i want doesnt fit left handed tikka rifles. It doesnt have to be perfect. I wont be doing matches, at least not often. I just want a good foothold into long distance so i can justify building a full custom 300PRC rifle.

>>62777080
>will you fuck it up
Probably not if you are mindful of what you're doing
>can you fuck it up
Absolutely, go watch a video from ole Larry Potterfield or something if you're intimidated. 15-20 inch pounds is a lot lighter than most people think so use a torque driver if you can otherwise just the small end of your allen key.

>>62763947
Do you have two piece rings with a top and bottom?
I'll give you instructions to do it perfect first time if you'd like

>>62777014
The centerfire standard is pretty typical, what company offers better than that and doesn't charge five figures?

>>62777259
It's mostly just a "be aware, you're not buying a premium product" message to that anon. Bergara bill themselves as premium and it's important to remember that they're basically Spanish Savage.

>>62776996
being left handed doesn’t necessarily mean standard actions are off the table I had a left handed rifle I fucked around with so I could run the bolt with the left and keep my firing hand in the same place. You do you though.

Ruger American Gen 2 or Weatherby Vanguard/Howa 1500 for baby's first bolt action in the ~$500 range?

>>62777319
Ive considered this but honestly its just my preference to get a left handed action.

Got to check out a Leupold Mark 5 7-35 yesterday in a local shop. They have a pretty good price on it too. Strongly considering it to replace my Razor 3-18 to get some more magnification and lose some weight.

>>62777279
still not sure what you're upset about. a B14R barreled action is a quarter the price of a Vudoo barreled action. A B14 HMR costs as much as a prefit bartlein barrel.

>>62778430
>a B14R barreled action is a quarter the price of a Vudoo barreled action.
>2moa, maybe

>>62778532
And Vudoo despite costing 4x as much, doesnt even offer any kind of accuracy guarantee. So long as the barreled action fires a round, it is good to go.

https://www.vudoogunworks.com/warranty

>>62777404
Between the two I'd probably choose the Howa but at around $500 even though I don't love the bolt feel I wouldn't rule out a Savage 10FCP-SR since they always seem to be the king of the segment for out of the box precision and features.

>>62778430
Some people blame the gun for poor shooting results

>>62778560
accuracy guarantees are worthless. bergara's is a 3 shot group

does anyone here own one of those fancy joystick front rests? I want one but they cost as much as a new gun.

It’s for a hunting rifle, but is there a good 30mm option for what I want?
>around 3-18x plus or minus
>ffp
>basic Christmas tree
>prefer mil

anyone know where a Parker Hale M82 stock is for sale?

>>62779702
Trijicon Tenmile 3-18x44 at 24oz
Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50 at 22oz

Is there any reason to get a .270 if I've got five different .308's?

Has anyone taken their Bergara B14 HMR hunting? I wanna do it next year but it's a heavy bitch

>>62780120
I wouldn’t trust it for hunting the accuracy guarantee is pretty shit

>>62780087
If you have some specific reason you want it that's fine, but it wouldn't be my pick today for a new build personally. When I did a new bolt and wanted a bit more than 308 I went to 300wm, and when I burn this barrel next time I'm probably going to go 300prc. For a bit less I'd probably pick 6.5. 7mm prc is neat looking but the barrel life is too short for me, even vs 300. I'm following guys with the new steel though.

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>>62782663
lol nice

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>>62780889
>accuracy guarantee
what are you talking about homo

>>62780889
>I wouldn’t trust it for hunting the accuracy guarantee is pretty shit
Dude what? For hunting 2-4 moa is plenty good enough, PRS is way more demanding then hunting is. Though granted hunting accuracy means cold bore, first shot. But still people have hunted with the most janky beat up shit since time immemorial. Any rifle anyone itt has would do the job for anything in north america at least.

>>62782700
holy shit I know what I'm going to try next time I get a chance to go shoot out back

>>62782700
shooting coins is only impressive if you do it mid air

>>62782827
the bullet traveled through mid air yes

>>62782827
>shooting coins is only impressive if you do it mid air
It's impressive at 100yd if you can do it 5 for 5.

athlon optics worth getting?

>>62783642
They have options that are liked in their price and feature segments. The low to midrange is full of scopes coming out of the same factories with the same or near enough specs so for a given price bracket you are pretty much just shopping reticle design, aesthetics, and post-purchase support.

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How are boyds gunstocks?
It's the cheapest wood 700 stock I can find that sort of looks like an M40 stock. I'm just going to paint it too, so I don't care what it looks like or if they have a bad look. I just want one so I can put a cheap 700 in it and compete in boomer Vietnam sniper competitions. I will glass bond it too.

>>62783642
Athlon, Element, and Arken are all very solid value optics brands right now. In previous thread we talked about how they kinda feel like Vortex did years ago, where they weren't really "respected brands" yet that could command a premium but were aiming to get better so you could get major value for the dollar.

Agree with other anon that there aren't enormous differences at that pricing so you can focus more on specifics.

>>62783642
My brother got one of their spotting scopes for like $90 last year. Damn good piece of glass for the money.

>>62784246
Sample of 1 for a 94 clone of mine, but the pre-finished stocks weren't finish sanded evenly left to right. I have no complaints about the inletting, major dimensions, or quality of wood but if I get something else from them in the future it will be unfinished and I'll handle the rest myself.

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>>62779702
Meopta Optika6 3-18x50 is what I use, is very nice

>>62784246
Why would you buy a wood stock if you're going to paint it?

>>62784299
Thanks. That tells me all I need to know to decide to get one. Now I need to finally decide what 700 to get or check the local gun store again to see what they have used.

>>62784497
Because the CMP rules say that a Remington 700 has to have a wooden stock to qualify for the M40 rules to compete.

>>62784536
The rules mention nothing about painting it.

https://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Class-B-Sniper-Rifle-Guidelines.pdf

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>>62784560
No, you misunderstood. I know it doesn't have to be painted, I just want to. Why? I've seen images of marine snipers that painted their stocks to further waterproof and camouflage them. I want to do it like this or just straight OD Green. It's pure aesthetics.

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>>62784592
>It's pure aesthetics.
again, this is why it is retarded and you should feel bad

and regarding your pic, pic related is mawhinney's actual rifle - https://web.archive.org/web/20130509231729/http://www.usmcmuseum.org/Exhibits_IconicArtifacts.asp

>painted their stocks to further waterproof
you dont understand how wood works. do you see how this rifle is so fucking shiney. do you want tot akea guess as to why?

>>62784613
Eh, I'll do what I want

>>62784618
and everyone will make fun of you

>>62784631
Cool

>>62758417
>>62767714
This anon fucks hard
>>62784325
>30 oz

>>62784631
you seem upset

>>62784536
>what 700 to get
For a factory new Rem a Varmint cut down from 26 to 24 is going to be the closest thing but the wrong finish. A used Police model if you can find one will be parkerized but you'll pay a lot more since they come with an HS Precision stock.

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>>62756456
>buy $450 7mm rem mag R700
>plop 2-12 athlon on top with direct-mount talley rings
>group like 1.1MOA at 100 yards just shooting off a backpack with factory 150gr federal powershok
Shit's wild, last time I looked into this stuff was like 2008 when I turned 18 and it seemed like a lot more of an investment to get under an MOA

>>62756456
What's the best way to find LR gunsmiths in the current year? Word of mouth? Forums?

>>62785552
It's pretty nuts, the progress over the last decade especially has been fucking immense.

>>62785552
Bed the action and you'll see big improvements in accuracy.

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>>62756456
Are there any combination guns with impressive rifle performance at range?

>>62776950
My friend has a bravo in their Sako green color. I like to mess with him and tell him his rifle is Sako green but my TRG is just green.

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>>62785964
Based fellow TRG enjoyer

>>62784654
it's a fucking 3-18x50, scopes are heavy retard. you should see how much a razor weighs. a lot of lpvos are nearly 2lbs.

>>62786541
I managed to get a SPUHR mount for mine finally. Now I just need to get a better scope. I'm leaning towards the Vortex Razor Gen 3 simply because I can get a 60% discount on them. Is that the standard cheek riser spacer on yours or did you make that one?

Any recommendations for a scope to throw on one of those “cricket precision rifle”’s for a little feller. Nothing crazy but I would like dial-able turrets.

>>62786672
>Is that the standard cheek riser spacer on yours or did you make that one?
Printed a few thin ones and stacked them til I was happy with the height then I make ones to that custom size whenever one cracks.
>I'm leaning towards the Vortex Razor Gen 3 simply because I can get a 60% discount on them
Pretty awesome discount, anon, that's probably a great option at that price

>>62785552
shooting a bolt gun is just easier because of the lock time. The time of prefit barrels is fucking sweet though. Aero's custom r700 will make it even easier for people to buy in

>>62786672
Its very good for the price, back when you could get one from the scammer @ liberty optics, you couldnt really beat it

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Can you practice a little precision shooting with something like picrel ? 18" scout rifle. It's so aesthetic.

>>62787672
Good to know. I feel like the 36 on the top end is more than I'd ever need but it does give better clarity in the mid range magnification being that high.

>>62787930
Yeah usually the cycle I see for new shooter is, I don't need all that mag, overusing the top end, then being comfortable at just below half

>>62786672
>I'm leaning towards the Vortex Razor Gen 3 simply because I can get a 60% discount on them.
Vortex isn't really the best value anymore but their customer service remains superb and the g3 is now a real nice product. At that kind of crazy discount yeah absolutely go for it.

>>62787873
not a scote rifle, scope is too far back

>>62787873
blah blah blah mindset, blah blah blah striving for improvement
sure you can. there are better tools for it, but it is at least a tool.

>>62787873
I mean why not? My first ever real (as in not junk surplus) rifle was a Ruger scout. I cut my precision shooting teeth with it. Ngl though the front sight in that pic is aids

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>>62786541
Terg Club Terg Club
>>62786672
Razor HD Gen II is EXTREMELY nice glass.

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>>62789536

Looking at getting an R700, glad to see its a common rec here. What is an appropriate price to pay? I want one with a wood stock, so I was looking at the BDL and CDL. Any reason to pick one over the other?

>>62758354
recording your kills is a bad idea, it allows the enemy to predict your patterns

>>62789992
If its relevant, looking to get it in 30-06 and put a Leupold VX-Freedom 3-9x40mm scope on it.

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God damn it all to hell

>>62789992
700 style rifles are liked in competition/precision circles because it is the platform with the broadest aftermarket. Factory Remington 700s are better these days than the recent dark decade or two of cost-cutting and bankruptcy, but still have some lemons making it to stores so be discerning of machining, finish quality, bolt assembly etc when buying.
CDLs traditionally received more premium finishing than BDLs but that gap has narrowed to where it is just a feature game now. It's a question of do you want a thicker recoil pad, stainless/fluting options, and a straight comb optimized for scope usage (all CDL) or barrel mounted sights and a monte carlo style stock and comb to use them (BDL). Expect ~$900-$1000 as a decent deal but likely tack on another couple hundred in most stores for either.
If you don't mind used and can find something from prior to... I think it was 2005ish then that is probably your best bet of getting something of the older/better quality standards and since you're shopping for 30-06 it will likely be low round count where the higher chance of damage comes from previous owner lack of care or overcleaning.

>>62790119
thar be some stringing. free recoil or loading?

>>62790162
So since I plan to use a scope, CDL seems to be the better option. If the new factory ones are good, I would prefer that. Ill keep an eye out for one around $900. Thank you.

>>62789536
Based and TRG pilled

>>62790119
What happened buddy

>>62789536
>Razor HD Gen II is EXTREMELY nice glass.
I really feel like literally all of the compromises in Razor Gen II went to the fucking weight. Great glass, great turrets, pretty good illumination for a riflescope, just ungodly heavy. I keep wanting to replace my 3-18 because of that weight but even much more expensive glass has a hard time significantly besting it.

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>>62790174
>>62790967
The eye relief's so short that I'm not getting enough LOP, feels bad

So I'm looking to upgrade glass from my Viper PST 3-15x44 but all the options I've looked at have inferior FoV at the same magnification setting. Which optics have at least as good a FoV? I'm generally looking for 3 or 4 on the low end and between 15 to 20 on the upper end of magnification

>>62792719
Kahles 3-28i if you want to max out

>>62791910
The mark 5 hd is right there for price in the used market, otherwise you're looking at a 4-16 atacr

What options do I have for a bolt action that has iron sights and doesn't have a sporter weight barrel? Say #4 profile or bigger.

>>62792502
You can experiment setting eye relief for standing/sitting with the stock partially collapsed so you can fully extend it when prone or relaxed at a bench to allow for how your head comes forward. Vertical or extremely steep angle grips help with short stocking if you're like me and it cranks on your wrist.

>>62792837
Budget isn't a main concern. And I'm also looking to move to a 5-25 or 7-35 or thereabouts if I do end up switching optics. I was looking at a Mark 5 because it's just so damn lightweight for its magnification level, but I haven't ruled out S&B, Kahles, or TT. Was really not too fond of the ATACR I got to check out. Also not super big on the Leupold's windage turret cap needing to be removed to adjust it, but it's lighter by so much that it can justify that.
The Razor is just really stupidly good glass for an optic that cheap, even as I'm looking through shit like the Leopold and Kahles the improvements are mostly "better magnification range" and "not being a fucking boat anchor" rather than wildly better glass.

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>>62792852
chunky ar10 for your trouble. Forgot to attach

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>>62792856
>Vertical or extremely steep angle grips help
I'll give that a try next time, thanks for the advice!

>>62792860
All very good names of course, but I'll toss out March as a brand worth a look as well, particularly if you're interested in another very compact and light option (though keep in mind that style of scope has tighter DoF, there's always some tradeoffs). I went with a March on a few including the scope for the rifle I showed last thread and am happy with them.

>>62792852
Maybe one of the modern scout offerings that need to support native 5/8-24 threads? I would imagine they are in at least a 3B or #4 profile.

>>62793010
Hmm, the 4.5-28 seems to compare favorably to the Mark 5 5-25 in size and weight, same with the March 5-42 vs Leupold's 7-35. I notice that they tend to have... pretty wide magnification ranges. Suspiciously so. Can they actually pull off a fucking 5-42x without it being shit or do they fall into the same place as NX8 when they try to stretch across that wide a range?

>>62793063
nta but March pretty famously pushes their erectors to the extreme and there are disadvantages to that but if you're playing in their middle ranges like most folk will do with any scope its not too big of a deal.

>>62792856
wtf lop should be set based on your body dimensions and then you set eye relief by moving the scope.

>>62793085
ACOGs are shit for that so its a make do scenario. Just trying to help homeboy get the best out of what he has.

>>62793079
If it can do 5-25 well, weighs the same as a 5-25 scope, but can go to fucking 42 if you're willing to accept some compromises on that top end that sounds kind of amazing. Considering this guy as a possibility https://www.eurooptic.com/March-FX-Tactical-5-42x56mm-G2-FFP-FML-TR1-Reticle-01-MIL-6Level-Illum-Riflescop.aspx

>>62793112
Maybe something like this guy too https://www.eurooptic.com/March-FX-Tactical45-28x52mm-FML-3-Reticle-01MIL-FFP-Illuminated-Riflescope-w-Sh.aspx
And keep the magnification range more sane while still pushing past a normal 5-25. Will have to read up on the boomer forums where more people seem to have experience with March, see what might be the best fit for me.

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>>62792502
I've had a similar problem with prism sights; long arms and short eye relief are an issue. I took one of these Leupold AR Mounts, slapped it on backwards for a little more rear rail space, and it helped me. It's only stupid if it doesn't work.

>>62793128
I'd wait for >>62793010 to chime back in with first hand experience since I'm just spouting hearsay I've read about their various offerings over the years. In general though high erector comes with challenges and short length optics do as well so combining them means negatives are going to stack up compared to a less extreme design. Depending on how the negatives apply to though, you may be able to overlook them. Obviously enough people do that March continues to sell designs with that philosophy.

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>>62793131
>works for $100 less than a Larue
Good looking out, anon

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>>62776840
You should

>>62792860
I only own atacrs and a march but I'll be going to euro optic soon to look at the rest of the stuff I haven't seen like the k328, zc840, tt525. I only care about weight trying to make like nrl hunter limits. I've whipped the 18lbs gun at a match recently and it's alright even shooting with sling

>>62793128
I only own the 1-10 shorty dual focal. Their scopes are more for air rifle but the simple size of it and what it can do with a good tree reticle and illum on the second focal is crazy. Wish I waited to get the 34mm shuriken turret model but it's nice

>>62777014
Just ordered the bergara b14 HMR. Im looking at different optics. I get 40% off vortex cause paramedic. Im looking at any FFP vortex optics in the $700-$1000 range with decent holdovers and MRAD. Im looking at the Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25x56 I can get it for $600-700. Anyone have any recommendations for other glass for a beginner optic?

if something looks stupid but works how stupid is it? Asking for friend.

>>62793848
rule number 2 of firearms: always look cool

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>>62793063
>Suspiciously so. Can they actually pull off a fucking 5-42x without it being shit or do they fall into the same place as NX8 when they try to stretch across that wide a range?
I don't have that one but I do have the 4-40x Genesis and the optical quality is solid across the whole range. I only have a 5 year old crap phone and the camera doesn't do scopes justice at all but I can try to take a few pictures through it if you want when I have some free time this week (assuming I can get time before it gets dark, otherwise will have to see if thread lasts until the weekend). I assume the high master would be similarly high in quality, they certainly seem to know what they're doing.

FWIW I follow a guy who is much much more serious about ELR then I am, he does 1600-3000m stuff with cartridges like 37XC, and he used one for over a year and likes it a lot. Only things he wished were better was operation stuff like wanting a half turn zero stop on windage. Of course, neither the high master nor genesis are compact and light either, their compact lineups still have good glass but you'll be hitting the parallax a lot. I think that's true with any such design though, just a tradeoff.

>>62793063
>>62794972
Is it March that are doing the dual-focal plane reticle, with part in FFP and part in SFP? Thats fucking clever

>>62795382
Yup, March does it on a couple models as does S&B, Burris did it for a bit, pretty sure Huskemaw or one of those other weird hunting boutique brands did it for a bit... and Redfield did it back in the 60s although theirs was just an 18" ranging box and numeric scale in the first focal plane so once you boxed something using the magnification ring, the range was displayed and you would manually hold with the duplex reticle in the 2nd focal plane.

>>62795459
Oh deadset? I didn't realize it wasn't a new innovation

>>62795464
The biggest advancements with it are companies being able to keep reticles better aligned between the focal planes so you don't get odd like .2 mil shifts throughout the magnification range. Probably why the old Redfield only did the ranging box instead of an aiming feature.

>>62795382
Yes I own one its cool and nobody believes it at the range

>>62786579
Cope, bench fag.

>>62786579
>a lot of lpvos are nearly 2lbs
Maybe I'm showing my socioeconomic status when I say this, but the Sig Tango is only 18.5oz and the PA one is only 17.9oz. Nowhere near 2lbs.

>>62795496
Yeah makes sense

>>62795601
Very cool - sounds like a really neat idea on paper

>>62795717
nta the gen 2 non e is like 26oz I think. the vcog is 28 and has the mount attached as some other examples

I've been out of it for a while vortex isn't poortex anymore? what of their line is worth it now?

how are the sight mark presidio scopes

>>62795717
Don't worry about it too much, there are all manner of different optics for different purposes. I have 9.5 and 14oz scopes on my hunting rifles while the precision guns have 30 and 48oz scopes. The intended uses and capabilities are completely different. Some LPVOs are pretty much just all-in-one dot magnifiers while others have some legitimate long range chops.

>>62795750
No idea, but in that price range could I interest you in this anon's posts about Arken?

>>62775068
>>62775115