K bros need help making my mind up.For context I live in a shitty third world country which has really strict gun laws, just finished a military career and became an officer, so I unlocked guns; however, getting a gun is still a long and painful process, (I need aproval of my commanding officer, fill a shit ton of forms, pay taxes to register a weapon, plus other shitty gun control shennanigans)I can buy guns with my branch (the navy) or go to the army shop which has a bit more variety.The catalogue of the navy is kinda unknown to me because I have to travel to the capital where the main Headquarters and the gunshop is.On the army menu I have the options of buying-Canik SFX (Wanted a TP9 but sold out)-Glock 17 (ew)-Taurus TH9-Taurus TS9-Springfield XD-M-IWI Masada-IWI Jericho II (Enhanced)-Taurus G3-M1911 .380 ACP (lmao)on the navy gunshop I know I can buy Sig which is like the go-to brand, problem is they pretty much only sell SIG guns.I'm wild guessing that I can find there-Sig M18E (a P320, and the navy's service pistol)-Sig P226 (Probably? They never get obselete, right?, right?)-Sig P228 (At this point I don't fucking know)-CZ-75 Shadow SP2 9mm (Quite comfy and the service pistol for a few years now, but I'm not sure there's stock of it)All of this are avaliable in 9mm, since that's the go-to caliber of the country so it seems. Personally wanted a Colt Goverment with a blue finish, wooden grips and polished barrel but it seems that we're not getting them anymore, also wanted a Canik TP9 since that was the closest thing to a P99/PPQ but they sold out.
>>62778025>-Canik SFX Basically a Turkish Glock clone with extra features, it's okay for the price.>-Glock 17 Solid pistol, no fancy features at all. It just works.>-Taurus TH9It's a Taurus. Don't buy it.>-Taurus TS9It's a Taurus. Don't buy it.>-Springfield XD-MIt's okay, I guess.>-IWI MasadaJewish Glock clone with some extra feautres, not good value for money, because made in israel.>-IWI Jericho II (Enhanced)Jewish CZ-75 clone. Good pistol, not worth paying more than CZ-75 price for this one.>-Taurus G3It's a Taurus. Don't buy it.>-M1911 .380 ACP (lmao)Just no.>-Sig M18E (a P320, and the navy's service pistol)Don't. For the love of all that is good and holy, stay away.>-Sig P226 (Probably? They never get obselete, right?, right?)Solid gun, no fancy modern features, but these are good guns.>-Sig P228 (At this point I don't fucking know)See Sig P226.>-CZ-75 Shadow SP2 9mmGood gun, lots of fancy features if you're into that shit. A great gun for target shooting, not a good gun for carrying as a duty pistol.
>>62778025glocksig 226 228czignore everything elseyour already paying out the ass for a gun dont waste it on a knockoff or budget model.
>>62778025what exactly do you want the gun for? I would not go with Taurus anything. Glock 17 would be ew if it's supposed to be anything other than something utilitarian, if it is just supposed to be something utilitarian then Glock. Haven't finger fucked a XD for long enough to form a real opinion on it but people rag on it, I don't see the advantage over a Glock. If you want something nice get a P226 if they have them, very nice guns, a bit pricier but they're really nice. People like CZs but I personally don't like the super thin/short slide in terms of ergonomics. You'll get used to it, especially once you break in the gun, but I just prefer a beefier slide so you get more purchase on it with your hand. At the end of the day you should be finger fucking any candidates before making the choice, the fit and feel in your hand is gonna be pretty important.
>>62778114Mostly carry, since in my unit we get M18E's for service.I want a gun that I can practice with frequently and get good at shooting with
>>62778131If you don't really care about the feel I'd just buy a Glock since that's probably the closest to a P320 in terms of function, while also not being a fucking P320. If you do care I'd get a P226 instead because it's just flat out better, but do keep in mind that double action first trigger pull is gonna be very different from a P320, and the trigger is gonna be way nicer than a P320's trigger.
>>62778151Personally I dont like glocks aesthetically. I know they do the job and they do it fine (A senior from me in the academy, now a Lt, borrowed me his Glock 17 during a shooting practice , we were using the SP 02 Shadow)Also I don't know what's so bad about the M18E, the trigger is nice, but I dislike that it's SA only and doesn't have a decocker; that's what's keeping me from buying it as a carrying choice.
>>62778025cz-75 = glock > Springfield > everything else, you really need a light if its your only gun.
>>62778025https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vYQ43UBvZTU?feature=share
>>62778025>Glock>Sig 226 / 228>CZ Pick one of these three. Everything else is garbage or worse, a P320. Personally, i say Glock. Theyre not “ew”, theyre excellent guns in every metric. My G45 (17 grip, 19 slide and barrel) has over 10K rounds through it now. Hard use. Dirty. Suppressed. And id still choose it over any of the other guns on that list if i could only have one for the rest of my lifeAlso why no HK? And what shithole country?
>>62778815>Also I don't know what's so bad about the M18EThey have problems with going off when you don't want them to.I like my Glock but if you don't, that's fine. I'd probably go with the P228 on your list, but if I could only own one pistol it would probably be my full sized HK USP in 9mm. Ridiculous gun. I love it.
>>62778025out of all of these the shadow 2 is by far the nicest, followed by the sig 226/228.
I resisted Glock but they are actually really good if you carry. They are very lightweight for the capability that you get from them and the finish is pretty resistant against sweat and holster wear. Holsters can be found anywhere guns are sold and you'll never have trouble finding parts. The trigger is adequate with practice and the grip angle will grow on you after a while. The only things I changed on mine were the sights and the trigger, and I changed the trigger back to stock after a day. The only things I still dislike about my Glock 19 are the grip checkering (fixed temporarily with a piece of bicycle inner tube) and the lack of a hammer to press down on when re-holstering (fixable in the USA with aftermarket). I've carried mine in 100° heat for two months without cleaning and only found rust were sweat was able to pool inside the holster. It still cleaned up after it soaked in oil. It cycles fine without lube and when dirty. The only other guns I trust at the same level are my Beretta and HK. The Beretta sucks to carry and my HK cost $300 more than the Glock though.
Just get a Glock 17 or P226, they're both great handgunsI have a G19 and I want to get the G17 as well
>>62779418>They have problems with going off when you don't want them toReally? I've never heard of this before, but it'd be pretty hard to get a documented case of this since we execute strict discipline of not getting one in the chamber until we're completely certain we're going to fire, carrying them only with the loaded mag. Another reason to not carry it.>>62779168>Why not HK? I ask myself the same, I would love a full size USP-USP Tactical either in 9mm, .40 S&W or .45 ACP but unfortunately they're not imported here, at least I haven't seen one in either of hte goverment (only avaliable gun shops) shops. The navy uses HK extensively tho, we have HK MP5A2's, A3's MP5K'sl HK21's, G3's a few G36's that were later replaced by the FX-05 in the army. The G3 was the standard issue rifle for quite some time alongside the F.A.L. So I ask myself "Why the fuck don't we import handguns from HK as well?" As for glocks, unfortunately they seem to be the most commercial handgun over here, since they have the most market with spare mags, accesories and replacement parts.The SP 02 is a really nice pistol, but they tend to be quite pricey and hard to come by since they sold out quite quickly, I'd even be happy to get a classic, simple, plain, retro CZ-75. The trigger is nice both in DA and SA, and the sights are good I guess
>>62779649>The G3 was the standard issue rifle for quite some time alongside the F.A.L.You're Mexican aren't you?
>>62779649I haven't kept up with it very well, but the P320 version of the M18 was definitely unsafe before a "voluntary upgrade" was issued by Sig instead of a recall. There is still some controversy about whether the safety issue was fixed, and there are countless guns still out on the market that haven't gotten the fix. As far as I know, the military-issued models were not affected by this issue. I would not consider a P320 of any type for carry though as Sig has a poor track record around this issue, and a lot of police agencies here in the USA seem to agree too. I used to own a P365, but the poor quality finish and flimsy-feeling frame led me to sell it.
>>62778025Ok but did you really have to post this meme? Suicide really makes me uncomfortable. At least give a warning.
>>62778025what's life like in the Mexican navy? I know it exists, but I can't imagine what they actually do.
>>62779739Pussy
>>62779663Did you ignore the previous sentence where he mentioned the FX-05?
>>62778025Get any Walther or SIG other than a P320.
>>62779739What the fuck are you even doing here
>>62779799I really didn't noticeG3 was the dead giveaway
>>62779780I can't imagine the massive amounts of drug interdictions they must do. If you look at a map you'll notice that Mexico is bordered by significant bodies of water on both sides.
>>62779838we relugate that to our coast guard and internal security state, the military does very little. I assume Mexico is organized relatively similar to US /NATO standards. but yeah, border security and trafficking is probably a big part of the Mexican .mil
>>62778025Are there any other CZs you can buy? I'd go with the shadow but modify it if possible. See if you can get a 75 bd or sp01(if you still want a WML)>t. CZ75 bd conceal carry anon
>>62780157>border security and trafficking is probably a big part of the Mexican .milHilarious whether true or not
SIG whatnot, or XDM if 10mm is an option. I wouldn't trust some weird brand gun company unless it was for robbing a 7/11; they all suck
>>62778098This. I would try all three and pick the one you like. I don't like Glocks because of the grip angle but they definitely work.
>>62778025cz75 no contest
>>62779739You're on the wrong website, bitch nigger
>>62779780Glorified coast guard desu, we don't have real warships anymore, just patrol vessels with 76mm and 57mm naval mounts
>>62778025>Taurus TH9It is hyper reliable, use either federal brand IRT 70 grain rounds or the heaaviest 147 grain for peace of mind
>>62778025Glock is an obvious choice if you just want something basic that works no matter what. Also the magazines are a global standard so you can get them almost anywhere any time.Taurus has a very mixed reputation. They can make good stuff if it's made on a Wednesday. Given how many miles of broken glass you have to drag your dick through just to get this thing I wouldn't risk it.Tentatively I would say the same for Sig. They used to be really good but new US Sig is a bit hit or miss. If it's a standard gun in the Navy and you can get parts to troubleshoot any problems it could be worth it, but if not I'd avoid it like the plague.IWI is overpriced and unremarkable.Canik is made in Turkey which has the Taurus problem of rolling dice. Can be great, unless you are unlucky and get a lemon. Then you are just plain screwed.XDM is like a Glock but a little cheaper and more ergonomic. Made in Croatia. Pretty good, but not as solid as a Glock.CZ is very comfy and well made for the most part. Small things like springs and pins are known to break at high round counts but if you can get spares it would be a good choice. It's all steel though so it'll be heavier to carry.Hope this helped.Also Mexican Navy and Marines are based.
>>62778025Glock 17. It's the best option if you live in a third world shithole and your options for repairs involve legally questionable sources.It's really a no brainer.
>>62778025>For context I live in a shitty third world countrySo why don't you say it instead of being this fucking vague about it
Some extra context.Buying from the army's shop (which is the wider catalogue) is quite a chore.I need to get extra documentation such as a house bill (electricity, water services, taxes, etc) with my name as the propietary of the house, or a written letter from my house keeper telling them that he/she is okay with me introducing a gun to the house (kek), plus a letter of my commanding officer telling them that I'm a good boy, and not a crazed future gunman, plus additional fees that take around 3 months on getting approved, just because I'm from another branch of the military.So I'll probably go for the P226, since I just gotta go to the navy's shop, present my ID and the signed authorization from my CO, and boom, new gun.
>>62778025>1911 in 380that is a little kek worthyplease do the "muh 2 worlds wars" shit as well
>>62778025what about a tx22 just for fun?
>>62784877I'd buy it just for the kek but it's fookin overpriced af, it's aroudn $6,000 usd which is way too much just for a .380acp, there's also a .38 super avaliable for the same price.
>>62786733>$6,000 usdJesus Christ
>>62786733first of all, >>62787320, but also, >.38 superyou had my curiosity, but now you have my attention. who makes the 1911, and just how does that absurd number compare to the p226/229 prices? it's the quintessential beaner blaster, after all
>>62783545I don't mind that because /k/ these days turns into insta /pol/ the moment they imagine a flag they don't like
>>62790648For comparison, a SIG or average pistol on mexico regardless of caliber is around 11,000-13,000 mexican pesos arond $540-640usd depending on the model.The fucking Browning 1911 .380 or .38 super "Commemorative edition" is currently priced as of oct 30th 2024 at $8936.17 USD(Prices may vary from day to day)For a few days now the .380 version hasn't been listed, I like to think that some crazed rich lunatic bought the entire stock just for keks
>>62791897Ok so the normal pistols have normal prices. If that's the case then yeah get the 226 or 229.
>>62783493>Taurus has a very mixed reputation. They can make good stuff if it's made on a Wednesday. Given how many miles of broken glass you have to drag your dick through just to get this thing I wouldn't risk it.The other issue with Taurus that gets them a lot of heat in the United States is their warranty is a pain in the ass and they don't sell replacement parts. Like if something goes wrong on a Glock, you can just buy the parts you need and fix it yourself, which usually takes like 5 minutes (and most of the parts are inexpensive other than the barrel, frame, and slide) but if something goes wrong on a Taurus you have to send it in on your own dime for a warranty they might not even honor. Sig has more problems than Glock in terms of having to actually use the warranty, and undocumented changes to their guns leading to compatibility problems between different guns of the same model, but I've heard the warranty itself is okay.I have no idea how warranty work or more general repair would play out in Mexico, but it's something to consider.
>>62778025Too long didn't read it doesn't even matter what kind of gun it is cuz you're probably going to end up f****** using it on yourself I'm a convicted felon and I really don't give a f*** about gun rights cuz I can't on one I think it's funny when people cry about s***
>>62792693You can thank Tyrones ripping up cops with full auto P80 builds for that. Once it became a witch hunt, every manufacturer clammed up on parts availability because some scumbag could potentially use a slide or small parts in a new build with a 3D printed frame and next thing you know ATF is running a trace asking them why their "destroyed" gun was recovered at a crime scene.I know this because I had to answer ATF traces where it turns out they were running the SN off a Glock slide or barrel (because of course the P80 frame has nothing) and they would still give us a hard time even though they knew that only the frame matters.Theoretically you only need to do this with serialized parts like barrel/slide which in the US don't even need to be serialized in the first place, but there's also a liability aspect. Sell parts, idiot installs safety or trigger wrong, shoots self in the dick and sues you. Less liability risk to take the gun back in and service it yourself. Costs more sure, but not as much as paying an army of lawyers to handle one lawsuit after another.Oh yeah and you can bet any manufacturer or importer that's been around more than a year has been sued or is being sued currently. It never stops. A lot of these lawsuits are shadow funded by gun grabbers as a way to run manufacturers/importers out of business. This is why you see small literally-who importers pop up disappear after a year or two. They don't have insurance and don't make enough money to tank a lawsuit head-on let alone a dozen of them even if maybe one is an actually legit claim.
>>62778025Of all those I'd chose the CZ Shadow2.Can you confirm that's issue for the Mexican Navy, or whichever you are?Not Doxxing but I've got a Shadow2 for IPSC and was wondering about using it for Service Pistol matches if I can confirm it's a legit military issue somewhere. Thanks.
>>62784877Is that a fullsize 1911 in .380ACP or the Mustang?If you cant a daily CC a .380 will be easier to carry than a fullsize duty gun..38Super was the .357Mag/10mm of its era for G-Men wanting to punch thru Gangsters armored cars and hard cover so apart from ammo availability its a better option than a 9mm.
What would you guys prefer over these and why ->glock 43x>sig p365x
>>62793633The .38 super is full size, the .380acp is an 80% reduction from what I've seen, still has mags of 7-8 rounds. There's far better opcions for .380acp which is the civilian cartridge for home defense. There's CZ P-07's, CZ P-10, CZ-75 Shadow 2 in .380acp, Beretta 80x and the national made Mendoza PM-1 MXIK (Haven't even seen one, but from what I can tell it's a mexican glock clone, can't really say)
>>62793613Some units have them, others don't.Back in the academy we'd do shooting practices with that and colt goverments in .45acp
>>62792915I just meant that barrels, frames, and slides cost more than $5 apiece, unlike most of the other parts.But in any case you shouldn't have to replace any of them, ever.
