Who makes the better revolvers?S&W or Colt?
>>62784855colt is just novelty now, so you're going to have to elaborate
>>62784855If it's a -2 S&W, the S&W. Particularly the N frames. They can't be beat.Nu-snakes are better than current S&Ws all around, despire what the poorly informed detractors might say.
>>62784855In 2024?Taurus.
Ruger
Ruger sp101 for the fucking win!
686 no dash for the win
>>62784873>>62784878>>62784880>>62784882Why do you faggots do this? OP’s bitch ass clearly said between Colt and S&W
>>62784886hey guy, the 686 is made by smitthywoosen
>>62784855Neither. Spohr, Manurhin, and Korth are the way to go.Both the Spohr and the Manurhin are essentially S&W clones, but they're made of far better materials than the original guns, and they aren't hammered together by illiterate minimum wage migrant workers from Guatemala.
>>62784901>S&W or Colt?
>>62784901>Source: I don't own any of them, but they are expensive and the internet told me so, so it must be trueHarken, the opinion of an uneducated faggot has been spoken.
>>62784855rugerso buy a ruger
>>62784911>you need to own both a Jennings J-9 and a Wilson Combat tatical supergrade 1911 to know that the Jennings is the shitter gun
>>62784922Not the question
>>62784855Colt has always been trash, everyone copies S&W for good reason. >>62784922>>62784880>>62784878Lol poorfags
>>62784933Go on, post yours then.You do own one, right Anon?
>>62784922I didn’t even consider until I saw picrel posted in another thread
>>62784886Because op is wrong and ignorant.Also op probably doesn’t reload. If your comparing style points then colt vs S/W makes sense. If you reload and shoot a lot then ruger is the go to.
>>62784886We all got together and collectively decided it’s fun to piss you off…
>>62784886They're giving you the correct answer. You don't want to hear it, but the in the game of "Colt vs S&W" the winning move is not to play.
>>62784863Actually 29-2s can be beat, to death, by the cartridge they're chamberedin because they're laughably inadequate.
>>62784855post your gun.
Who made better single action revolvers? Who makes the best single action today?
>>62784935But S&W always copies Colt, Glock, and Keltec.
>>62786827Colt
>>62786901Absolutely not lol.>>62786827Freedom Arms has been making the finest single actions since 1983. If gigantic cartridges in a model 83 isn't to your liking, a model 97 is a small frame - even smaller than an original SAA.A BFR is also a nicely made gun as well, if you were looking for most chamberings under the sun then that's where you should look.
>>62784901>Spohr, Manurhin, and Korth are the way to go.how would you know? you've never even touched one you fucking nerd.
>>62785113sounds like a convenient excuse for a poorfag who owns a charter arms/taurus
>>62784855Idk but I would trade my nusmiths for a nupython
RugerColt is lmaoQC and S&W is cuckshit. Now that Bill Ruger is dead, the company can be as based as they were meant to be
>>62784855Fine. We each take ten paces, then DRAW
>>62784855In the current market, Colt is better. S&W is in a real low point for quality and fit/finish. Hard to find one where the barrel isn't canted or somehow drilled into the frame crooked.Colts have smoother actions and lock up like bank vaults. There was a rough run when they tried to get back in the game but CZ put boots up butts and sorted things out for the most part, although I fear some of Colt's people infected CZ.>>62784863With classic guns it's hard to say. Colts generally have better lockup and smoother triggers, but Smiths are pretty darn good and a bit more resilient. I think that argument could go either way.>>62784861I don't think so. Their current snake guns are viable for carry.>>62784901MR is genuinely good and sees actual combat use, but Korth and Spohr are overpriced just so they can be man-jewelry for rich fucks who don't actually shoot. It's not really a fair comparison since those exist in an entirely different market.It's like saying that a Ferrari is faster than both a Honda and a Toyota.>>62786183I've got a 28-2 that's constantly giving problems. It was tuned up many years ago by a gunsmith which is probably why it is so temperamental, but at this point it gets treated as a dedicated .38spl only. Really nice shooter.>>62786827Ruger if you want it to be reasonably affordable and indestructible.Colt if you want to stick it in a box and never shoot it.Freedom Arms if money doesn't matter to you and you want to show off without anybody noticing because they'll think you have a nice Ruger.
please post your revolver, OP.
>>62786989>the company can be as based as they were meant to beall of the pro-ruger shills on 4chan speaking exclusively in feels. you are the kind of people who say the mini-14 is a good gun.
>>62787045Ruger didn't go to SAAMI to have the specs for .357 magnum reduced.
>>62787053i don't care because i don't shoot mega-hot handloads. if i DID i probably would buy a ruger but i prefer S&W because their PC revolvers have great triggers and are lightweight.
>>62787110Don't bother. Ruger owners are delusional poorfags dependent on the one redeeming quality their oversized pot metal hand cannon is good for; the semi-annual shooting of one box of buffalo bore retard hot loads.Nothing else matters to them other than big boom and you will not convince them otherwise.
>>62787110>mega-hotthey were complaining about factory ammo.>>62787130>t. asshole cracked from too many factory loadsmany such wristlets
>>62787145post your police trade-in ruger security six already.
>>62787110357 in N frames(27/28) is a different animal.They are more than adequate for that, in fact they do well in 41 Mag too.(Model 57)It's the 44 mag model 29 where they are wholly inadequate, the end of the yoke tube just gets beaten to death under firing. The peening causes endshake to go out of spec quickly. If someone handed me a 629 or 29, even a new one, I could induce out of spec endshake in under 500 rounds by loading heavy old SAAMI max loads.(which for 44 mag were only around 15% higher pressure)
>>62787194>It's the 44 mag model 29 where they are wholly inadequate, the end of the yoke tube just gets beaten to death under firing. The peening causes endshake to go out of spec quickly.NTA but as an engineering student I am interested in this. Having trouble picturing where exactly is getting peened under firing, would you be able to point it out? Is this the main failure mode for revolvers? I think I've seen large caliber revolvers get the barrel blown off, not sure if squib related, top strap failure, or both. Where can I find out more about revolver failure modes?
>>62787220The end of yoke tube is a bearing surface, no matter how closely fitted the cylinder is mated, there's enough room for the inside(rear) of the cylinder to slam into it.Under firing the cylinder will move fore and aft, the peening of this bearing surface causes greater movement, "endshake", over time. The other surface that can peen, but typically doesn't is the ratchet itself, but that takes a lot of firing that would generally peen the yoke's surface out of spec first.One way to fix endshake is to actually stretch the crane tube, this is pretty antiquated. The new way to do it is to just use stainless washers called endshake bearings. These bearings sit between the end of the yoke tube and cylinder to take up the slack.
>>62787270Super cool stuff, thanks anon. I have an old and uncommon revolver that I don't want to fail. It's not valuable at all but I love it dearly. I've been trying to find out what I can do in case it does fail, since I don't know if many gunsmiths would be willing to work on it.
>>62787220If you see a barrel blown out of the frame, that's usually an indication of one or more of several failures. 1. poor heat treat of the frame 2. corrosion of the barrel threads due to wrong lube applied(like chlorinated lube) 3. overtorquing the barrel caused damaged threads. or 4. out of spec endshake or poor timing causes poor chamber/bore alignment which increases stress on the forcing cone and barrel in general.If you see a cylinder failure it's always WAY too much pressure unless the cylinder wasn't heat treated correctly. Model 29s cylinders pop at around 80,000psi along with Super Blackhawks. A 44 Redhawk, I have genuinely never seen actually popped, but it's north of 100,000psi.A top strap failure goes hand in hand with cylinder failure unless you have a scandium frame.
>>62784878>>62784880Based Ruger pushers
I finally got a Colt Detective Special and it kinda sucksS&W all the wayThat stupid Colt cylinder latch that you have to pull towards you because S&W had the patent for the push-forward kind 150 years ago is a piece of crap
>>62787406>That stupid Colt cylinder latch that you have to pull towards you because S&W had the patent for the push-forward kind 150 years ago is a piece of crapSkill issue
>>62787417skill issue is not an argument. ease of reloading is like 50% of what makes a good revolver.
>>62784855Colt had higher peaks, but S&W has, historically, been more consistently good.
>>62787638Tend to agree here.Colt typically was a source of innovation where S&W wasn't, but Colt stagnated so badly in their revolvers all through the 20th century.Boomers like to gush about the Python, but that was still a handfitted "gen 1" Colt action that had a VERY small tolerance window to operate correctly in. An out of time Python has one of the worst feeling triggers on earth, gritty, heavy, sudden spikes up to 20lbs of pull. Basically Boomers didn't shoot them and those that did had to use the cottage industry of gunsmiths that cropped up specifically for Pythons to retime them.Colt didn't have a single decent DA revolver that was "tough" until the Trooper MkIII. The new Pythons are based more closely on this action arrangement and are very tough since almost everything is made of 17-4.(not sure what steel the new blued Pythons are made of)
>>62787627Push or pull matters very little - the lion's share of your time reloading is taken by reaching for the fresh rounds with your right hand and getting them into the cylinder. Swinging out the cylinder and ejecting brass are significantly faster, whether it's a push release or a pull latch. It's very easily trained around - if you're serious enough about revolvers to be reloading them quickly and proficiently. That being said, if you learned on Smith's push style, which it sounds like you did, then I can see it being counter intuitive. But there's nothing wrong with the design>ease of reloading is like 50% of what makes a good revolverPersonally I'd say it's trigger characteristics and grip ergos but there is plenty of room for disagreement here
>>62787809>Push or pull matters very littlecan you open a colt cylinder without breaking your grip? i've honestly never tried
>>62788082Without breaking my firing hand grip? Yes, but only if I use my support hand, which is probably not the answer you were looking for. Maybe I could do it with just the firing hand if the frame were small enough - probably not though.My point is that it doesn't actually matter because you should be breaking your firing hand grip to reload your revolver anyway.
>>62788082Is that how you actually expect to reload a revolver under stress?If you are actually extracting spent brass you are going to have to use your left hand to hit the ejector rod anyway, by which point you could have easily actuated either a S&W, Colt or Ruger cylinder release.Did you seriously buy a TR8 because of CSGO and spent all your time quickly loading/unloading it at home without ever actually shooting the thing?I figure if you had ever actually fired a revolver in your life you would have known you can't just flick the spent brass out by flicking the wrist.Hopefully you haven't bent the crane by now screwing around like that either.
>>62788102>My point is that it doesn't actually matter because you should be breaking your firing hand grip to reload your revolver anyway.why, because jerry dicklick said so? this method works fine for me and doesn't require hours of practice.>>62788123>Is that how you actually expect to reload a revolver under stress?no retard i was just goofing off for the camera, the entire point of the video is to show you can open the cylinder with your firing hand without breaking your grip. recording my actual reload would be a pain. also i bought the R8 because i wanted an 8-shot revolver for uspsa and the 929 is hideous.
>>62784855Ruger. Then S&W. Colt used to make good guns.
>>62788165>why, because jerry dicklick said so? No, because my irl instructor who was actually issued a revolver taught me that way and it also makes a lot of sense to me. If what you're doing works, then I'm happy for you anon. Are you a moonclip guy? If so, that would explain the discrepancy between what I think makes sense and what you think makes sense
>>62784878Indeed. GP100, SP101, LCR all solid.
>>62788165>Shits on based JerryEverything you ever say is disregarded. You should get a trip so your retarded ass can be filtered.
>>62788236There are definitely things you should ignore Jerry on, like how modern Smiths are "justasgood" as old ones, but the man can shoot.I'd like to see how he'd do in IHMSA Standing production revolver.
>>62788224>Are you a moonclip guy?oh yeah. once you go moonclips its hard to go back.>>62788236getting revolver advice from jerry is like getting swimming advice from michael phelps, they're freaks of nature, their tricks are not going to optimal for you.
>>62788262Yup, that makes sense, moonclips are very cool. I take it you use them for competition? I go without moonclips because when I shoot revolvers it's either in a slow fire target shooting context or to practice for self defense since I concealed carry a revolver for about half the year.For what it's worth, I agree that Jerry doesn't have the last word on revolvers. He is indeed a freak of nature.
>>62788262>>62788270I forgot to add - that webm is mesmerizing
>>62788270yeah i do uspsa. clips definitely suck for CC, way too bulky and will probably get bent up in a pocket. speed strips seem to be the only 'reasonable' way to carry reloads unless you have a coat pocket. I bought a belt clip kit that i hope will work on my R8, i'd love to carry it but no one makes aiwb holsters for N-frames.
>>62788316>speed strips seem to be the only 'reasonable' way to carry reloads unless you have a coat pocketYeah, that's exactly what I do>i'd love to carry it but no one makes aiwb holsters for N-framesI feel your pain, brother. Sometimes I want to carry my Python, but there's really not a great aiwb holster selection for it because who the fuck CCs a Python
>>62788334the revolver crowd and the 'modern concealed carry' crowd just don't seem to have much overlap, probably because of obsession with maximum capacity.
>>62788343It's true, but there is one silver lining. It is fun to be a rebel and choose comfort with revolvers for CCW, sit back, and watch some minmaxers get bent out of shape about it.
>>62784901>he doesn't know
>>62788623>JanzVaporware. No evidence of anyone owning, much less shooting one. Which is a shame, because it's really cool
>>62788638are these like dan wessons but with korth cylinder releases? also the big bore ones look goofy
>>62788653>are these like dan wessons but with korth cylinder releases?Yeah, I think so. If I remember correctly there was also some kind of quick change barrel and/or caliber system. The big bore ones remind me of picrel south park episode
>>62788638I don't think you understand the meaning of "vaporware".
>>62788718Enlighten me, then
>>62788738Usually something that's hinted at, planned, etc. but never ends up existing or coming to fruition.That Black Rain bullpup, for example.>No evidence of anyone owning, much less shooting oneNigga wathttps://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-janz-type-em-357-revolver/https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/03/09/iwa-2022-janz-revolvers/https://janzrevolver.com/
>>62788790Fair enough, you got me - I wasn't being very precise with my choice of words. But still (not to move the goalposts) those reviews are from influencers, I've still not seen anyone who purchased one for themselves. The only one for sale I could find was on Cabot Guns, for about $12,000. Maybe the better choice of word would be "unobtainium."
>>62788804Yeah, they absolutely are unobtainium unless you're a fucking rich bastard.
>>62784855>S&W or Colt?Standard Manufacturing
>>62786968The only revolver I own is a Colt. I'm not a revolver fan.
>>62784855
My new python came with a barrel that wasn’t drilled centered and missing rifling. My anaconda went out of time within 150 rounds. I will never buy another colt.
For me it's the Taurus 605 Protector. I don't care who doesn't like Taurus
>>62784855I own both, as well as Rugers. Personal favorite is Smith & Wessons. Revolvers all have an inherent soul to them and each revolver has its own character. One of my favorite things to do is to take all three out to a range day and feel the nuances of how they differ from one another.
>>62789259Nice gun, but the engravings offer no tactical advantage
Posting the $300 Colt I picked up recently. Made in 1919 and still shoots just fine.
>>62788343The overlap is in pocket guns like a 642 or LCR.
S&W new and old. I got a model 10-5 back when a bunch came in from foreign police stock. Tight as a tiger, in time, accurate enough to shoot a gnats ass, and the only thing I had to address were light strikes with a new spring. My friend loved the medium frame 38, so he went and got a used Colt Trooper (70s production). That thing was shaving rounds, would fail to detonate some primers in SA, not super accurate, and had more slop than a McDonald's. Eventually he took it to a gunsmith, but he finally sold it, and luckily boomers overpay for anything with a colt logo. Just not worth it if you actually want a shooter. I'd trust my life to my old S&W, but I don't think I'd trust it to a modern Colt revolver with all the issues the new Pythons and Anacondas have had. I do have experience with new S&W as well. My oldest brother loves his combat magnum 69 (bought 2022), and it's a great shooter (although a little too much for me with magnum loads due to its medium frame). I'd carry that in bear country over a Kodiak from what I've heard of them.
S&W
>>62784855>Colt>S&WNeither, get you a Zastava M83.
>>62789491I-is that real?
>>62790036April 1st 2024
>>62789921Can't sell those big piles of shit off fast enough, huh? Drop em to $200 and I MIGHT get one.
>>62784855Colt re-released their snake guns and had to bring them up to standard because the first wave were embarrassing. The standard is working as well as S&W. Colt BTFO themselves so hard that I think it's strange that you even bothered to make this thread. Give me a Ruger over a nuColt.
>>62789754sex
>>62789754what a beaut
>>62784878ugly
>>62789754.38 S&W or special?
>>62784956Rugerfags have no taste. That looks like absolute shit. CYBERPUNK!! 2 DIFFERENT KINDS OF PLASTIC!!!
>>62790814ok bitch
>>62789419Then again you should know better than buying modern American firearms. Find a vintage Python and it will last you a lifetime.
>>62790908An old Python will last you until it needs to be retimed by one of the few gunsmiths that still works on them.Never recommend an old Python to someone who actually intends to shoot it.
>>62784855Ruger
>>62789921>don't get a colt or S&W, get an eastern european CLONE of a colt of S&W!
what model revolver is this?
>>62791994looks like a king cobra
>>62791994funy monky revolverIt's probably not real
>>62791994Looks like a cheapo 22 or a prop
>>62790571Special, ironically I was looking for .38 S&W but got this instead. Guess I'll save my stash of .38 S&W for when I get a Webley (eventually).
>>62784855Ive only owned smiths and rugers so cant tell you
>>62784855How about both suck shit and you get yourself a real gun, Fudd.
>>62784855Let's keep this to Python vs 686:Python>Accuracy is unrivaled>Due to barrel>Due to "bank vault" lockup>Cylinder pushes out with little to no effort>Iconic look>Good to great triggers>(old Pythons were hand-fitted for 50 years and quality ranged from one to the next based on the smith)>Iconic look the 686, GP100 and others copied>New ones are simpler, more consistent, less problematic (if Colt remembers to use thread locker and tighten screws down) and 100x stronger>Old ones go out of time with 357, particularly lighter bullets>Price is way overinflated on old ones>Old ones are overcomplicated, require specialized knowledge to work on>False reset sucks>New blue just ain't the same as the old686>Plenty accurate anyway>Short lock-up time>Cheaper>Every 357 L-frame is already bullet proof, no caveats>Highly customizeable>Decent OOTB trigger>Trigger improves with use (most do)>Easy to DIY 'smith>Tons of aftermarket>Easy to use cylinder release>The most winningest revolver brand by far>Smolt is best of both worlds>Locks are gay, destroys classic line of that deeply curved hammer channel>Modern QC is questionable (but CS is good)>MIM parts look bleh but work fineBoth:>Why the fuck does everyone use the slim, shitty Altamonts? Can't they make a better wood grip?Anyway, having owned both old and new of either I'd have to say:>Old Python: got that sovl, but the value just isn't there>686-4: my actual favorite, rocks the best at the range>New Python: let's the old become a safe queen, I want to like it over the 686-4 but I just don't shoot as expeditiously (mostly cause of the cylinder release)>686-6: bastard child that does nothing better than it's older brother and got sold off for the 686-4, not a bad choice of revolver
>>62792167post one then
>>62792169Good write-up anon. I'm a Python guy and can't stand the altamont grips that come with the new ones. All they do is look pretty, they actually suck shit to shoot with. The hogue rubber grip is only slightly more comfortable and completely ruins the aesthetics of the Python.They need to thicken up the altamont grips and bring back the serrated backstrap (since they insist on leaving it open). This thing is way too slippery and it makes it hard to get a consistent grip on it. Ideally, I'd like to see a closed back MR73 Trausch style rubber grip made for the Python, but it will likely never happen. If it did though, it would be better functioning and better looking than the hogue, while not sacrificing too much of the Python aesthetic. If I knew photoshop I would mock up a Python with Trausch grips
>>62792169They weren't using Pythons or 686s in IHMSA, so winningest depends on the sport in question.Dan Wessons and Super Blackhawks ruled the day until Freedom Arms rolled up.
>>62792169Also, spoiler alert: the actual best DA/SA revolver of all is the Korth MongooseOther 357 models (cause I shoot nothing else)>MR73 is way overrated>Never handled a Spohr>Dan Wessons are cool too, love the cylinder release (aka High Standard Sentinel)>Colt Mk III is an inferior Dan Wesson that looks nicer>Colt Mk V is a superior Mk III they made too few of>Security Six is a mid-small frame done too well>GP100 is an ugly duckling but all around alright (MC is awesome)>King Cobra is a modern mid-small frame done right>K6 as well, take your pic>Taurus of old is good>Taurus of really really new I hear is good (Exec Series is promising)>J-frame is classic, comfy carry>LCR is comfy but has the Ruger lockwork I'm not a fan of>SP101 same, not as comfy>K-frame would be the best ever if it could handle 357>nu-K-frame can handle it (supposedly) but has same issues I have with 686-6>N-frame is a beast, pretty f'n awesome, 386s are cool as hell>Rossi was my first, piece flew off and injured my lip ~25 rounds in, I curse them forever>Don't know about EAA, Rhino, or anything else not mentioned>>62792234>winningestI said the S&W brand was winningest, not necessarily the 686>>62792221I know... if the Grizzly was out when I went to buy I may have had a tough decision but I also don't like ports. But unfluted cylinders look pretty...>TrauschAlso ugly IMO, but they are quite good to shoot with.
>>62792280>the actual best DA/SA revolver of all is the Korth Mongooseyeah but how much more best than a performance center smith or a 686 with 200 dollars in parts and polish?
>>62792280It wouldn't matter if it was the model 29s that did see use in IHMSA, that was where they found them to be inadequate. Cost S&W a lot of money to repair those and was the impetus for the endurance package, which still didn't fix it.
>>62792280>>Trausch>Also ugly IMO, but they are quite good to shoot with.Yeah they're definitely not as nice as a good set of wood grips, but the design has some obvious advantages like that beavertail. That's something I would appreciate from a comfort perspective when shooting magnums out of my Python. Also helps with grip indexing which is a nightmare on the Python as-is
>>62792301Value-wise you're probably right on the money thereFor a production gun I'd say the nu-Python (barring the shitty sight)Worst value is MR73 IMO. Original ones are quite awesome but that price tag... new ones just don't impress me personally (I shot a Beretta import Chapuis)Korth, yeah, the value isn't there, but that's most super-high-end stuff with diminishing returns and all. You can get from point a to point b in a Camry but you can't tell me there isn't a market for an AMG for people that just want the bestest, nicest shit.>>62792329Ok dude I will defer to you on competition stuff, I revoke my statement>>62792351You might want to check out Deer Hollow or Eagle grips then, they aren't anything synthetic but they're 100x better than anything Altamont ever made
>>62792301The "performance center" polishing up the trigger surfaces doesn't change the fact that the trigger components are made of cheap Taurus-spec powdered metal pressed into a mold and sintered together in an autoclave.
>>62792386>sinteredMIM can be polished and is a different manufacturing process to bootIt's still ugly as sin though
>>62792167I got one for the memes but I genuinely enjoy it a lot. Definitely a keeper.>>62792280I concur on most of these points. Also my first revolver is my Security Six and it's a great all-rounder. Great introduction to revolvers and they usually sell for reasonable prices.>>62792351I briefly had an MR-73 CAI import, gun was really trashed but those grips were nice.
>>62792381It's fine to say S&W is extremely decorated in IDPA, USPSA, etc.It was when shooters did long range competitions and needed to turn the screws to them that they fell out of favor quickly.
>>62792405>I got one for the memes but I genuinely enjoy it a lot. Definitely a keeper.I have one on my list because a friend did the same and has since sold it. I actually like shooting it.Plus I am a Millennial and have a thing for collecting iconic guns popular circa 2000 give or take a decade.>I call it my SWATGWOT list>Security SixThanks, I like the S6, it't just... svelte. I usually don't care for "traditional" style stocks on anything but a small frame but it just felt and looked good on the S6 with a 4" or shorter barrel (mine was 4")>>62792405I almost picked one of those Hungarian surplus ones (it was Hungary, right?) back in the day, still not sure why I didn't (did the same with the ONG 870) but I heard many of them were pretty trashed
>>62792405>I briefly had an MR-73 CAI import, gun was really trashed but those grips were nice.It's genuinely stupid to me how no company has attempted to make something similar to those Trausch grips. It's not like people don't know about it due to only being on the MR73, for fuck's sake they're out there floating around on some Ruger SP101s and S&W K frames.Why do companies make revolvers with exposed and smooth backstraps anyway? It's slip city when you're shooting anything other than light specials or rimfire. Either serrate the damn thing or change the design so the grip covers it without adding extra LOP.
If I end up getting another revolver I'll probably get a nu-Python if it has to be in .357.
>>62792604Do it, they're really nice and I love mine. Admittedly, Colt has some QC escapes but when they do it's generally really obvious from the get go and they seem to be very good about repairing/replacing in a timely manner.
>>62792399>It's still ugly as sin thoughAlso significantly weaker than forged or billet machined parts.
>tfw perennially too poor for a MatebaI was so disappointed when the supposed relaunch ended up being a scam
>>62784855I haven't really shot much of either but I recently purchased a Spohr L562, which is based on a 686 so I'll pick S&W.
>>62792943those things are ugly
For me it's the New Nambu M60
