When are the supposed 200 THOUSAND rockets/missiles hezbollah have going to come into play? This was meant to be the main deterrent for Israel but they're sending tiny trickles of 100 at a time instead of thousands
>>62785293The guy with the launch codes got killed in the pager attack.
>>62785293>200k was probably an exaggeration to begin with>Hezbollah won't ever want to be in a position where they blow through their entire stockpile>The Jews destroyed alot already>Not worth shooting small volleys you know will be successfully intercepted anyway>Hezbollah C3 is so totally fucked that the shot callers in charge of planning/ordering strikes are probably dead or without effective intel/comms
>>62785293You don't actually believe that the money allocated to procuring said rockets wasn't embezzled do you?
I dunno. Here are a couple of captured Hezbollah technicals from the last few weeks.
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>>62785385The little fire extinguisher that could.
Israel bombed the shit out of downtown Tyre again today. 2nd time this week. This time they brought down a lot of the hi-rises on the waterfront. Most of the population of the city is now displaced, that's new.
>>62785293since Oct 08 2023, between 100 and 500 (or more) rocket(missile) attacks happened every day ... using 300 as an average, that's 100,000 comfortably (we're in Nov 2024 now). Also, a lot have been destroyed inside Lebanon.Numbers aren't all that far off, one way or the other. As per >>62785314>200k was probably an exaggeration to begin withit is a very interesting question how many they have remaining. 50,000 out of 200,000 would not be unreasonable as an estimate as of today, which means they're beginning to run pretty low while simultaneously losing all their most advantageous launch points to effectively* use whatever remains.> *effectively - strictly in the catholic sense, not in any sandnigger sense
Pile of captured ATGM some of these look vintage.
>>62785293>When are the supposed 200 THOUSAND rockets/missiles hezbollah have going to come into play?Two more weeks, after the real Russian army arrives in Ukraine.
>>62785356if you've never worked in the middle East you might.
>>62785314>>200k was probably an exaggeration to begin withThey pocketed most of the money. Built just enough to show Iran and the rest of the muslim donators so the money flow would continue.They understood that a full scale war would end them. They failed to understand the point not to cross.If they had launched the 200k missiles along with a full scale attack when the palestinians had done their bit they could have wrecked israel. Not won, just wrecked.
>>62785293>When are the supposed 200 THOUSAND rockets/missiles hezbollah have going to come into play?Weren't a good chunk of them destroyed in a Israeli firs strike? I'm sure they still have a lotta them buried under ground but the retaliation will likely be halved when HezSista's regroup for an attack.>>62785308>launch codesTheir intermediate rockets not ICBM's, I doubt setting those things down range is anything beyond pushing a button or even lighting a fuse.
>>62785293Blown up on the ground.
>>62785293trust the plan hamdullah
>>62785293Thirdie states are more like that Mafia than real states. The money was pocketed and went to buying drugs, mansions, prosties, little boys, and lolis Also patronage networks for social standing and so that you have the impunity and cache to do whatever you want.So shit isn't bought, or its faked. And the location of what is real gets given up for bribes. And their comms were penetrated as fuck too, so whatever was there got hit on the ground.
>>62785407>Son of man, because Tyre has said of Jerusalem, ‘Aha! The gate to the nations is broken, and its doors have swung open to me; now that she lies in ruins I will prosper,’ 3 therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Tyre, and I will bring many nations against you, like the sea casting up its waves. 4 They will destroy the walls of Tyre and pull down her towers; I will scrape away her rubble and make her a bare rock. 5 Out in the sea she will become a place to spread fishnets, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. She will become plunder for the nations, 6 and her settlements on the mainland will be ravaged by the sword. Then they will know that I am the Lord.Ezekiel 26
>>62785293They pocketed most of the money instead of actually building and sourcing the gorillion rockets OP
>>62789241FUGG :DDDDDD
>>62785293Israel is claiming they destroyed 80% (seriously doubt it, but that is their claim).> tiny trickles of 100 at a time instead of thousandsThey were coordinating that shit with pagers and walkie-talkies. Once those guys got a banger of a remote update, they tried to get physically together in one place to talk about it. I bet you could see the explosion that ended that plan from the space station.
>>62785356I thought they stole the money from humanitarian aid, I mean, ok, they stole the money for food and medicine to buy weapons, but then stealing the money to buy weapons into narcotics? That's low even for raghead militias.
>>62789241She is going apocalypse mod, isn't she?
>>62789224>The money was pocketed and went to buying drugs, mansions, prosties, little boys, and lolis Also patronage networks for social standing and so that you have the impunity and cache to do whatever you want.But I thought Muslims and Islam folk are supposed to be traditional, conservative and disciplined? They forbid themselves from drinking alcohol and eating pork, I don't get it? Are Muslims and Islamists also have corruption and lie about their supposed discipline and traditionalism?Again, I thought they were that and has been their image for years.
>>62789684lmao did you see the goings on in the Ottoman Empire when they were at their height of power? Arabs have always looked for loopholes in their religious law, the ones considered based and trad by comped retards are their religious fanatics
>>62789684>traditional,> conservative> and disciplined> islamWell, yeah ... of course they looted a cash fund for their own profit. It's a requirement of their "religion."
>>62785293>100k are cardboard fakes>40k explodes during launch>40k are duds or fake rockets>5k hits lebannon>19k hits empty land>the rest is intercepted
>>62789684>They forbid themselves from drinking alcoholRemember: Allah can't see you if you're in a non-Muslim country.
They're trying their best, no bully.
>>62785293You're assuming they'd use indiscriminate fire and burn through their arsenal? Why? Holding onto a sizeable reserve and focusing your fire on targets of value is the shrewd thing to do.
>>62790806the only reliable way of bypassing israeli defenses in order to hit them with BMs is to fire a shitton. they're firing very few which is pointless and also risks losing their launchers.
>>62785293they are almost done~20% leftyou can see it in the alert numbers from rocket fire the trend is the same as the hamas rocket fire
The lebanese army is mostly Christian. They should destroy Hezbollah. Hezbollah ruined their country
>>62790963estimates, in and outside israel, were always that hezbollah would be able to fire 1000-3000 missiles per day for a week or two. i don't recall an instance where they fired over 400 in a day. it's really hard to get guys together (communicate) move ammunition, put launchers in place, etc at a large scale without alerting the jews
>>62790806That's what they did in the opening of their 2006 attack.
>>62789684and the bible says >And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.yet most christians worship money and the materialwhat people say and what people do are almost always completely different things
>>62785356>allocated to procuring said rocketsThey're given the rockets by Iran.
hezbollah bozos get dropped
>>62791218Why did they lose, from a tactical perspective? IMO it was because their firing position was lacking.
>>62785666Kek'd and checked, satan.
>>62785293A war against a settlement state is won by attrition, sending 200 missiles per day will deplete the anti missile reserve and depopulate the settlement, the only way for a settlement to survive is to make it attractive, if the sirens cries everyday people wont be able to work and they wont sacrifice their lives to build itTLDR sending 200 000 thousand missile in one day is less annoying than sending 200 missile a day for a year
>>62791905>/pol/estinians actually believe thisLiterally all your premises are retarded, and therefore your conclusion is turbo-retarded. "Settlement-state" isn't a real term, I've never heard it before, and I can tell it's one of those legitimately meaningless buzzwords leftoids and pali-simps invented and try to force into being.200 missiles per day with a high-failure/dud-rate, with poor accuracy, and fired in disorganized fashion means that only a few at any given launch will be plotted as actual threats to be intercepted. A given strike of ~200 missiles might translate into between 50-100 interceptors, max, being used. Hardly "attrition" numbers.Settlements in kikestan aren't being solely targeted, Hez is just shooting into kikestan at whatever they can. I'll say it again. I have no love for kikes, but palis and their simps behave so fucking irrationally and violently childish that there's just *zero* sympathy to be had for them.
>>62789707There are thousands of displaced people in Israel and Northern Kibbutzs have been shelled considerably. https://youtu.be/zkPy8TXtz1U?si=ydO9ec73UXEh8wZe
>>62792030Settler colonialism is a retarded word to conceptualize settlement policy, unless you recognize israel as an american settlement and rhodesia as a british settlement.Like it or not but this is the actual lebanese and palestinian strategy. It doesnt matter if the missiles are poorly accurate, they still start fires, activate sirens, are dirt cheap/easy to produce and can be smuggled through the whole region, it was also zimbabwean's militias tactic during the bush war.Im not taking politics here, just military and weaponry facts.
>>62792119>Settler colonialism is a retarded word to conceptualize settlement policyThis is true and something I've known for a while.>unless you recognize israel as an american settlement and rhodesia as a british settlement.I recognize neither of these and would disagree with both for several, many reasons.>Like it or not but this is the actual lebanese and palestinian strategy.And it's as retarded as pinning their hopes on American zoomers still caring about this to the same level in 20-50 years when they start winding up in political positions of consequence. Kikestan was synonymous with bus bombings, airline hijackings, random shootings, the occasional existential war, and the odd Intifada every now and then for *decades*, and it didn't hurt the kikes that much in the long run, and they only really had the relationship they have with big daddy America after the Iran chimp out in 1979, *after* their two most consequential land wars, *after* Lillehammer, *after* open-season for terrorists and hijackers was in full-swing.From a purely strategic perspective, it's still just tantrum-throwing run through a military-strategy translator. The Bush War and the Levantine Situation are *entirely* different conflicts.
>>62792239The 7th october operation and hezbollah hitting israeli bases wouldnt even be conceivable 20 years ago, if it costs too much, america will drop out israel like Trump is trying to drop from NATO, these kind of settlements only thrive from foreign investments, once they are cut from their motherland, they fade then get invaded by natives, same thing happened in manchukuo and algeriaThe war of attrition is best strategy in this kind of warfare, even if it takes a century
If you're stupid, like OP, you think that wars are won by having more rockets than the other guy and firing them all at once to maximize your K:D like it's a COD death match. If you're not stupid, you recognize that stringing out those rockets to a trickle over years to create a massive urban quagmire for the occupying force is the better long-term strategy creating a steady stream of Israeli sons and daughters coming home in boxes. Picrel.Meanwhile Israel's economy has contracted by 20% and there are protests in the streets calling for Bibi to step down, and they aren't even any closer to pacifying northern Gaza. You can have vast technological superiority but if you can't achieve your war goals you will not win the war.
>>62792360Forgot to post pic, it's the daily toll
>>62792030>I have no love for kikes, but palis and their simps behave so fucking irrationally and violently childish that there's just *zero* sympathy to be had for them.But you do, since you're choosing to pick a side in the war and send billions to one side over the other. So actually, you're kind of an Israeli dick-suck, similar to everyone else who claims to hate "both sides". In fact I would put money on you being a paid JIDF shill, similar to how vatniks operate. If you weren't, you'd be advocating for us to pull all support from Israel to cut our already massive financial losses from this completely pointless war. If two guys I hate are fighting each other, but one is also stealing my money, I'm more concerned about the theft than the conflict that doesn't affect me.
>>62792300>The 7th october operation and hezbollah hitting israeli bases wouldnt even be conceivable 20 years agoNovel operations aren't a sign of anything other than a novel operation. 9/11 was inconceivable to Burgers (unless they were Tom Clancy) on 10 September. Some big, flashy strike against an opponent that wasn't expecting it doesn't really mean much if you possess *zero* means of doing it again, or even effectively following it up. Hamas and Hezbollah sure as shit don't possess the means to do either, with the former probably never really getting the shot at something like that again.>if it costs too much, america will drop outSetting aside that this is a non-sequitur to the point you said immediately before this one in your post, that's my point. Palis have an utterly delusional idea of how much they can make kikestan "hurt" with the current tempo and intensity of what they're dishing out. And that's even if they *could* do this for a century, which they very, very obviously cannot.>these kind of settlements only thrive from foreign investmentsAgain, the kikes and their investable infrastructure and sectors aren't really affected by this to the degree you seem to think. How are rocket chimpouts in the north going to cut into investments into their tech and medical technology sectors? Into their MIC? Into their own foreign investments? >once they are cut from their motherlandHow are you cutting kikestan off from kikestan? Unless you're insinuating that America is their motherland lmao? There's a difference between a wallet and a "motherland" lmao.>they fade then get invaded by nativesNone of their immediate neighbors seem all that keen on invading their nuclear armed, genocide-curious neighbor. Especially not after shit like The Beepening or the bomb-in-the-walls shit they pulled in Tehran.
>>62792300cont.>same thing happened in manchukuo and algeriaThis brings me to my main issue with your line of thinking. All because things that *seem* similar happened before in a certain sequence, doesn't mean that those things will always happen in that exact same sequence in a completely different, separate thing, even if that separate thing seems *really* similar to the first. It COULD happen that way, but the details and specifics that make the two things different usually have a dramatic effect on how the broad strokes play out. The fine details of the Levantine Situation are very, very, very fucking different than those of Manchuria or North Africa, or Rhodesia for that matter.
>>62792360>Meanwhile Israel's economy has contracted by 20%lebanon is guranteed to collapse before israel in any prolonged conflict. not everyone in lebanon is supporter of hezbollah. in fact most people aren't. prolonged conflict is not good for hezbollah or lebanon. israel's econmy is still far more functional than lebanon's even at a wartime contraction. >trickle over years to create a massive urban quagmire for the occupying force is the better long-term strategy creating a steady stream of Israeli sons and daughters coming home in boxes. Picrel.literally not happening. there's very little hezbollah resitance. israel isn't going to "occupy" anything. they're going to wipe out the infrastructure both in gaza and lebanon. and then do raids based on intelligence to preventive rebuild or destroy infatructurethey find. webm is one of the many villages that are getting wiped out in lebanon>Forgot to post pic, it's the daily tollit's not a daily death toll but even looking at the total numbers so far israel is doing extremely good. for example in the 2006 lebanon war: israel lost 250 soldiers in a 33 day war, meaning an average of about 7 per day. and currently they have 42 killed in the invasion after 30 days. an average of less than 2 per day.
>>62792420Israel will not accomplish their war goals, and no amount of based glowie ops will change that. Annexing north Gaza alone would be an unsustainable cost to a flagging Israeli economy and you can't claim to have "wiped out" HAMAS when they have more than half of their original manpower remaining and more than a hundred hostages. You'll notice nobody is talking about them anymore, but that was your stated objective, and you've completely, utterly failed at it. In the meantime, people will continue to vilify Israel whether deserved or not, and for the first time in history, polls have shown that more than half of the US population supports cutting off aid, which is relatively unprecedented. I'm just curious, since I never hear this from pathetic faggot shills like you, but what exactly is your "win" scenario for Israel in this case? You can't just pull out and go back home without finishing the job like Afghanistan 2020, since you live right next to the people you've now antagonized. In the best case scenario you'll have a negotiated settlement with Hamas and Hezbollah but that's not going to change separatist groups from launching rocket attacks since you've now pissed of the entire Middle East. And even the 4 billion dollar annual welfare check is not going to recoup your financial losses.
>>62792419>But you doNope.>you're choosing to pick a sideMay I see where I've done this?>you'd be advocating for us to pull all support from IsraelI do, I am, and I still will lmao.>If two guys I hate are fighting each other, but one is also stealing my moneyThen fuck them both, what the fuck lmfao? See what I'm talking about with you pali-simps? You're so fucking childishly irrational that you come up with these absolutely fucking lead-poisoned false dichotomies that you haven't even thought out at all. If some fuck who's *been* stealing my money and my secrets and selling them to other assholes who don't like me gets into a fight with an inbred violent literal retarded child who *also* hates me for whatever reason he chooses for that day, the FUCK THEM BOTH.Why would you expect me to have sympathy for the retard who also hates me, but who also demonstrates *EXTREMELY* off-putting qualities that make them irrationally more dangerous than the conniving, thieving Merchant?
>>62785293its propaganda mate >hezbollah inflates numbers to milk money>isreal inflates numbers to milk money >hezbollah claimed to have fire 200 (20 in reality) on day X>isreal claims to have intercepted 193 (13) on day x also cool rocket launcher i wonder if the spiral cut is a ways to get some spin
>>62792474>"How is Israel going to deal with ongoing insurgency?">"They'll just wipe the entire infrastructure out and kill literally everyone of course"How very Russian of you. You're honestly clinical retarded if you think this strategy has ever worked, except in ancient times when you could get away with biblical-level atrocities. Remind me again, how many times have you declared victory in northern Gaza? Three days ago the commander of the IDF 401st armored brigade was killed there, so it seems whatever you're doing, it isn't working. Enjoy your forever war faggot. Please continue to make long-winded pseudo blog posts as a method of coping, as it amuses me greatly.
>>62792494>Israel will not accomplish their war goalsMaybe, maybe not. >no amount of based glowie ops will change thatI mean they'll play *some* part, while also being funny to watch.>you can't claim to have "wiped out" HAMAS when they have more than half of their original manpower remainingI've seen this said for months. Neither I nor you have any fucking clue how many are left, and I doubt the kikes do, either.>but that was your stated objective, and you've completely, utterly failed at it.Oh so now I'm le kike. Homie, no one talks about the hostages anymore because everyone knows they're fucking dead lmao. The amount of churn that's gone on practically *guarantees* it.>people will continue to vilify Israel whether deserved or notGood.>polls have shown that more than half of the US population supports cutting off aidGood. But that's still mostly zoomers who are functionally retarded and easily led, they don't actually know anything about the USS Liberty or the kikes spies that have betrayed America.>what exactly is your "win" scenario for Israel in this case?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAPali-simps are literally as retarded as their 69iq fetish mascots.If you want to use random anons on the internet for your cope sessions, you at least gotta pay up. Oh shit, does that make me le kike, too?
>>62792551>How very Russian of you.Keep trying this, I'm sure it'll work here like it does on reddit.
>>627924209/11 was cost related issue, the NSA knew a plane attack was imminent, they wired an al qaeda meeting in kuala lumpur and were aware of that plan, they just didnt have the date, and it was too expensive and unpopular to reinforce airport security without an input justifying itIsrael destroyed hamas tunnels and infrastructures in 2008, 2009 and 2014, they still rebuilt them, as long as they have funds and manpower, mind beats might. Same can be said about hezbollah, dahiyeh tactic proved its unefficiency, and now they wont find another sectarian militias to occupy south lebanon for them after the withdrawal of the christian militias in 2000. With the hezbollah rear bases in syria, iraq and iran, this situation is impossible to solve for israel, its military and political structure requires a quick and decisive victory, but they closed every door for negociations.>And that's even if they *could* do this for a century, which they very, very obviously cannot.They really can>How are rocket chimpouts in the north going to cut into investments into their tech and medical technology sectors?Imagine investing in a country where employees have to take refuge in a shelter everyday and where your assets can be hit by a rocket or a cyberattack, investments are already decreasing>There's a difference between a wallet and a "motherland" lmaoIsrael exists solely to satisfy evangelical nutjobs and AIPAC, once they start being a burden, they will be dropped like Vietnam was dropped>None of their immediate neighbors seem all that keen on invading their nuclear armed, genocide-curious neighborAmericans wont let them use them, the moment they get this idea, every israeli base will be burned to the ground by stealth bombers
>>62792551>How very Russian of you.nice retarded comparison,retard. israelis flatten villages because they clear them out and then right those they see as used by the enemy and are a threat or to create buffers with explosives, etc. russians flatten areas because they have bombs with shitty precision so they used their shitty bombs with big booms in large numbers. it's not the same. .also there's no one to kill those villages in lebanon are literally just unihabitable zones now. no one's gonna live there. at least for years>Remind me again, how many times have you declared victory in northern Gazayou don't know what youi're talking about but i'll entertain you anwyays. i don't know whether you get your infor from /pol/ or twitter, but if you go to official idf info and sites they clearly said that it'll take raids to clear out infastructure in gaza. it isn't a war where you defeat the enemy once and they surrender. they move around with civilians and the idf understands this. that's why the'll always said they'll do intelligence raids afterwards. they've been doing something similar in the west bank for years
>wipes out your entire shitty villagenothing personnel
>>62792601>they still rebuilt them, as long as they have funds and manpowerAnon they're not going to be having the same circumstances pre-7 Oct again for the foreseeable future. The situation on the ground will not magically return to status-quo-ante.>With the hezbollah rear bases in syria, iraq and iran, this situation is impossible to solve for israel,Not really. You guys seem to be incapable of sober military thinking. The situation right now is fluid as fuck, a new paradigm is being hammered out *right now* between the powers concerned (Iran, the kikes, and America). Once the paradigms settles, then we'll know for sure. But as of now, literally every belligerent involved is trying to figure out exactly what they can and can't get away with, with each belligerent trying to make sure they don't go too hard and outright trigger a war, but also not wanting "sentences spoken" to go unanswered, so to speak. Shit is in flux.>They really canAnon, they can go for some time. They cannot go for 100 years.>Imagine investing in a country where employees have to take refuge in a shelter everyday and where your assets can be hit by a rocket or a cyberattackSo investing in Israel between 2006 and today. The world powers are literally considering the possibility of war with China over Taiwan because they build some fucking chips. Israel builds a shit ton more than that and sells to *all kinds* of people (even American secrets to China). No one is seriously stopping investment to the kikes, not for this shit. They'd have to outright nuke Qom or Tehran or someshit for foreign investments to genuinely tank. Which might actually happen.>Israel exists solely to satisfy evangelical nutjobs and AIPAC, once they start being a burden, they will be dropped100% agreed on this.>Americans wont let them use themConsistency is important. If the kikes have lost America, why would the *kikes* of all people be open to suggestion or coercion from the goys that told them to fuck off?
>>62792500>Then fuck them both, what the fuck lmfao? See what I'm talking about with you pali-simps? You're so fucking childishly irrational that you come up with these absolutely fucking lead-poisoned false dichotomies that you haven't even thought out at all.You're the one who's behaving like a child. I asked you a simple question and you completely flipped out. You're giving Israel your money, yes or no? You're giving them taxpayer money that should be used to build schools, hospitals, and roads in the US, and we get nothing from that investment whatsoever. That's not "fuck them both", that's "I'm paying for a war I have no personal stakes in because I'm too stupid to question why". I don't give a shit about Muslim extremists halfway around the world, they'll always be there and we've already gotten into two costly sandbox wars for no reason over it. What does concern me is that we send more aid to Israel than literally any other country, and they repay us by selling our technology to China and cursing us for not sending more, and our perceived hypocrisy hurts our soft power when we're trying to negotiate with third party nations. I have the same problem with Saudi Arabia but at least we get oil from them. Since you're clearly a braindead screeching retard who understands geopolitics as much as a cockroach understands classic literature, I tried to simplify it as much as possible for you, but the point is that you're being duped into paying for someone else's forever war, and we wont get any more from it than we did from Iraq or Afghanistan, with the added bonus of now having Israel infiltrate their cancerous propaganda deeply into our domestic politics to ensure that simple minded folk (you) will not think twice about it simply because you hate the muzzies more.
>>62792592I want you to explain in detail how Israel's human rights record and regard for civilian casualties is literally any different from Russias. Also please detail how ACT-IL and the ministry of Diaspora Affairs are substantially different in operation from Russian troll farms and their propaganda wings.Fuck you, you hasbara-peddling FAGGOT.
>>62792619>if you go to official idf info and sitesJesus, what an embarrassing thing to admit. What a little parasitic bootlicker you are. Tell me you're a shill without telling me. Bet you're one of these faggot zoomers who gets paid in Facebook prizes for peddling propaganda.
>>62792702>Russia terror bombs civilian population centers>Israel pauses fighting to vaccinate Palestinian kids >MUDSLIMES "THESE ARE THE SAME"who.int/news/item/04-09-2024-first-phase-of-polio-campaign-concludes-successfully-in-gaza
>>62792713it's better than making shit up and getting it from twitter faggot. keep your retarded narrative in whatever echo-chamber you get them from
>>62792731No you don't understand kuffir, any claims that support our worldview are infallible and beyond suspicion, any that challenge it are Hasbara. Ignore your lying eyes
>>62792689>Starts rabidly accusing random anons of beign le kike because they have non-cookie-cutter, team blue/team red opinions about your pet cause>"you completely flipped out."Yeah you guys really are actual children.>>62792689>You're giving Israel your money>we get nothing from that investmentYou're either larping as a Burger or (You), too, are also "guilty" of giving kikes your taxpayer money. Blaming citizens who are taxed by their governments at the threat of death or imprisonment for not paying because those governments then take that money and do what they want with it? Yeah that's childish, reductivist thirdie behavior. If you were an adult, you'd be upset that the government takes your money and does whoever the fuck knows with it, regardless of your position on it.>"I'm paying for a war I have no personal stakes in because I'm too stupid to question why"Yeah, more toddler-brained logic.>I don't give a shit about Muslim extremists halfway around the worldYou should, because they *really* care about the fact you exist and aren't praying to sand god. If they wouldn't feel some urge of some "teaching" to come over to Europe or North America and stir shit, then I wouldn't hate them, would I?> I tried to simplify it as much as possible for youThere's your problem. You're too simple to simplify things you understand like "a cockroach understands classic literature."I'll continue to enjoy watching people like you somehow make *kikes* look human.
>>62792702>I want you to explain in detail how Israel's human rights record and regard for civilian casualties is literally any different from Russias.No.>hasbara-peddlingI don't know what this is, but it is really fucking fascinating how you guys assume everyone who thinks you're indistinguishable from angry little kids is le moshe moshe from the big bad JIDF.
>>62792687The hamas IED are now being made from unexploded israeli missiles, this situation can continue forever, unless they exterminate everyone there, which will destroy their "guilt capital", zionists tend to see themselves as spartans, but the reason they are given all these weapons and are allowed to produce weapons under license is white guilt and pity from what happened during world war 2.Even if iran is crippled by airstrikes, this country is 10 times afghanistan and americans wont return in iraq, the only chance they had was destroying cutting syria into several sectarian states but they failed. Israel wont be able to handle a battlefield this large, and americans are tired of endless middle eastern wars.>Anon, they can go for some time. They cannot go for 100 years.They really can go for 100 years, the crusades lasted for 200 years.>No one is seriously stopping investment to the kikes, not for this shit.How will you export these chips if your economy is sinking from insurance costs?>why would the *kikes* of all people be open to suggestion or coercion from the goys that told them to fuck off?They wont suggest anything, they will make a preemptive strike.
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>>62792781>Israel wont be able to handle a battlefield this largecope and seethe pedo-worshipper, the kuffirs know about Hudna and Taqiyya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyyahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna
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>>62792781>The hamas IED are now being made from unexploded israeli missiles, this situation can continue foreverGood field ingenuity on Hamas' part, but now their munitions assembly is contingent on the failure rate of their enemy's weapons. That's not a win, anon. That's desperation, and further sign that they don't have too much time on the clock.>which will destroy their "guilt capital"I will say something you guys seem to badly misunderstand is exactly how deep that deep capital fund goes. The kikes run US media and have literally created a whole genre of entertainment around keeping that guilt fund full. You can't underestimate the effect those things have on that specific subject in the US, specifically.>zionists tend to see themselves as spartansWhich ones? The kike ones do see themselves as this, but not in any way you'd think of as honorable. People still don't understand the very different mentalities jews and arabs bring to the table in warfare. That's been the biggest issue regarding international optics for both sides, unironically. Both are fighting Abrahamic, old-testament wars against each other that don't give a shit about things like "human shields," "collateral damage/civ-cas," or "war crimes" while both use claims of those as weapons against each other on the international stage.>Even if iran is crippled by airstrikes, this country is 10 times afghanistan and americans wont return in iraq, the only chance they had was destroying cutting syria into several sectarian states but they failed.Anon, these things might've been true in 2008, but time has moved on. They may still be true, but simply hanging your hopes on these things isn't strategically sound planning.>and americans are tired of endless middle eastern wars.This is true, but Americans were also tired of wars after Vietnam (look up Vietnam Syndrome). Desert Storm broke that trend very fast. Does that mean it'll happen again? No. Is it a possibility? Yes, so take it into account.
>>62792781cont.>They really can go for 100 years, the crusades lasted for 200 years.Anon, I've already said this. There's real danger in thinking historical events *must* happen 1 for 1 all because you see similarities in the broad strokes. We are not in the times of Crusades. >How will you export these chips if your economy is sinking from insurance costs?They have planes, anon. Everyone who would want to buy from them has planes. And not every airfield in their tiny country is within range of things that would credibly close those points of entry to commerce.>They wont suggest anything, they will make a preemptive strike.It'd be funny but this is wishcasting masquerading as strategy again. Why? How? All because America in this hypothetical told the kikes to fuck off doesn't mean there won't still be evangelical fucks and other jews in the US that feed the kikes information.
>>62792843How many more takbirs before the ummah comes to Lebanon's rescue?
>>62792854With the amount of explosives israel dropped, they can set ambushes for the next three decades, Gaza is too narrow and crowded to operate airstrikes without committing friendly fire.Holding the medias isnt sufficient to win the hearts and minds, Americans had to withdraw from Vietnam because of journalists filming mutilated american soldiers and made the war unpopular and impossible to sustain, the army then made the policy of "embbed journalism" policy for their next wars and bombed every journalist that wasnt part of the program, but now everyone can record anything, no matter how much journalists are killed, people can film the horrors of war and show it, if they continue at that pace, no amount of capeshit or propaganda film can wash what zionists are doing.>They may still be true, but simply hanging your hopes on these things isn't strategically sound planning.Realistically, if iran is crippled by airstrikes, we might face another oil crisis.>Desert Storm broke that trend very fast. Does that mean it'll happen again? No. Is it a possibility? Yes, so take it into account.You wont convince any american soldiers to die for israel today, they barely even support ukrainian intervention.
>>62792928>With the amount of explosives israel dropped, they can set ambushes for the next three decades, Gaza is too narrow and crowded to operate airstrikes without committing friendly fire.
>>62792945https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire_during_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
>>62791027not reallythose were estimates if israel just sits there and takes the rocket fire with no response/self defenseand even if they did 3000 rockets at israel with no response or israel shooting the rockets down it would not cause any substantial damage to israel due to the low accuracy,small payload idf does x10 more damage every single day than lebanon did to israel this whole war.now with more realistic estimates which take into account israel countering and shooting rockets down they are exactly what we're seeing live.for example in mid october last year gaza were triggering 1000 rocket fire alerts a day (not exact number of rockets but a good proxy) and by mid december they calmed down to ~200. the same trend is in lebanon they are calming down and relaxing the rocket attack load
>>62789638I generally think the pussians are (slightly) smarter than the terrorists, and if the (slightly) smarter pussians embezzled weapon money for vodka and krokodil, the terrorists could easily have done so too.
>>62792815safiedine is confirmed liquidated and gallant nnounced that naim qassem is only a temporary appointment
>>62792928>With the amount of explosives israel dropped, they can set ambushes for the next three decadesThe anon that responded to you has a point. This really doesn't track, you'd have to have a dud/failure rate on kike (American) bombs that hasn't really been seen since WWII or Korea. The issue's been the amount of ordnance the kikes have used that *have exploded*, not UXO. In fact, if you compare the amount of discussion over UXO in Gaza to Ukraine, for example, you'll find that it's almost non-existent. There's obviously *some* degree of failure, all weapons do. But in order to have *30 years* worth of IEDs from UXO dropped to date? That's just a stretch anon. Probably for 5, 10 years if they're being judicious on the sort of IEDs they produce.>Holding the medias isnt sufficient to win the hearts and mindsLike I said, I think you guys underestimate this shit especially hard, right down to the way you even conceptualize it. It's not about what Americans are shown on the news, Burger media is currently the least trusted of all the civic institutions in the US. It's about emotional blackmail, and schindler's list, that one episode of band of brothers, the pianist, fiddler on the roof, and too many more will continue to do that deed for decades to come. And while social media makes a dent in that, people are getting wise to how much manipulation can go on with that, too. I didn't know the NYT did a story about kids getting domes by kike 5.56. I *did* see it on social media, and immediately called bullshit on a perfectly intact 62gr M855 resting perfectly in an intact child's head, with no wound-track and now cloud of bone matter sprayed into the cerebrum. That sort of shit hurts the reach of social media, especially to millenials like me that might see something very obviously bullshit and now it poisons the well.
>>62791038>most christians worship money and the materialYes, and are often reminded that that is a sin. Prosperity gospels and pastors with Lamborghinis is heresy and a sin. Unlike an Islamic, I won't play semantic whack-a-mole to justify it.
>>62792928cont.>Realistically, if iran is crippled by airstrikes, we might face another oil crisis.No, we *will* face another oil crisis. It's why no one's *really* gone after their oil infrastructure. But if push comes to shove and options run out, these sorts of things on the geopolitical level kind of do run on rails in certain situations. The Cold War was one, this is another.>You wont convince any american soldiers to die for israel today, they barely even support ukrainian intervention.I agree. Actual motivated personnel joining up with the current array of likely hotspots isn't happening, and won't for the foreseeable future, in my opinion. That said, the US military has been leaning on technologies and doctrine intended to do more with less. I'm skeptical as to whether they've made enough headway on that, as of today, but it's something they're actively aware of being a big, big weakness right now.
>>62792995>I didn't know the NYT did a story about kids getting domes by kike 5.56. I *did* see it on social media, and immediately called bullshit on a perfectly intact 62gr M855 resting perfectly in an intact child's head, with no wound-track and now cloud of bone matter sprayed into the cerebrum.Reminds me of the "they're shooting at the hospital!" With a person holding a .50 BMG with casing as a "fired bullet." Honestly if you're willing to propagandize like that you deserve nothing but contempt.
>>62792877They have already proven their resilience several time>Everyone who would want to buy from them has planes.They can hit boats and drones, what makes you think they couldnt hit commercial planes in 10 years? What investor is taking this risk, what bank will offer low interest loan for this kind of transaction?>All because America in this hypothetical told the kikes to fuck off doesn't mean there won't still be evangelical fucks and other jews in the US that feed the kikes information.Maybe, but israel wont be able to shoot another nuclear missile if it happens
>>62793019>They can hit boats and drones, what makes you think they couldnt hit commercial planes in 10 years?They can hit commercial planes now, retard-chan. They always could. They don't because they're scared pansies that would crumble at the first signs of an international force bearing down upon them. They only fight Israel for a reason., because Israel treats them with relative baby gloves.
>>62792982reports going back a few days said naim qassem is in iran. which would explain why hezbollah felt safe announcing him the new sec gen. the mossad has shown of course that the axis isn't safe, even in tehran. so the mossad might get him there if they're really feeling themselves
>>62792815I love this cope. Completely fail in all your objectives, but we win because muh k:d. No wonder Israel is desperately trying to get Hezbollah to agree to a ceasefire.
>>62793016>Honestly if you're willing to propagandize like that you deserve nothing but contempt.That's literally been my feeling regarding the pro-pali side of things for some time now. The kikes *will* pull shit that is genuinely bad. Why propagandize such blatant bullshit like this? And to do it in such a just fucking ignorant way? Kikes scheme and lie, but they at least *try* (and often fail) to make sure they don't fucking insult your intelligence. Palis just throw shit at the wall, and then get EXTREMELY mad at *you* when their toddler-tier attempt didn't pass the sniff test.>>62793019>They have already proven their resilience several timeThey've managed to not lose, mostly because of international pressure on the kikes. >They can hit boats and drones,Anon they can (poorly) interdict *some* shipping along one (very important, but just one) route. For them to target the aircraft they'd need to, they'd need an infrastructure (we're talking serious surface to air shit, S-300 type of shit, and a lot of it, as well as probably air power) that no one would allow them to erect (not the Jordanians, not the Saudis, not the Emiratis, not even the Qataris, let alone the Burgers or the kikes). That's not even getting into training, weapons production, etc. All of this in the next 10 years, just being allowed to happen, by so many players in the region, all with different reasons why they wouldn't want that? That's just a stretch.>Maybe, but israel wont be able to shoot another nuclear missile if it happensIf it comes to a situation where they want to use one, they're using them all. Nukes are the worst because of this sort of complicating factor. Fuckers you really, really don't like basically have a "you can't ever be rid of me" badge. It's really THE biggest annoyance of the modern era when it comes to shit like this.
>>62793055>Failure of objectivesBrother it's not about the k:d. Decimating leadership is always a win.
>>62793055>Completely fail in all your objectivesTell me, where was this picture taken?
>>62793036i think gallant or halevi said something about another iran strike i would bet taking out naim qassem it the goalthat could be the reason they cleared the skies in iran so IDF can operate with no threat they could do deep underground attacks like they did to kill nasrallah in iran (on a smaller scale since its so far away so you cant do it with as many planes)
>>62793028>They can hit commercial planes nowNTA but they really don't, not beyond a chimpout that brings what you described down upon them. They simply don't have the numbers of whatever assets they do have to not only do the deed, but to then hold the airspace under serious enough threat to deter a response.That's about equal to just not having the capability, in this scenario, I'd say.
>>62793055literally the only country pushing for ceasefire in this war is the US. everyone else is winning and wants to continue
>>62793065They killed the founder of Hezbollah in 1992 and their occupation was stilled kicked out 8 years later. This is quite literally your first sandbox war if you think killing leadership leads to victory.>>62793070If the IDF's objective was to do some great photo ops, then they would've won 100x times over. Unfortunately for them, they've failed in all their stated objectives.
>>62793091>If the IDF's objective was to do some great photo ops, then they would've won 100x times over. Unfortunately for them, they've failed in all their stated objectives.That's nice sweetie, where was this photo taken?
>>62785293Just because you have a lot doesn’t mean you have the ability to launch all of them at once. If you start shooting off a ton from one location you invite Israel to come and bomb the shit out of that area.
>>62793111>W-we're winning, just look at our photo ops.Reminds me of that photo op in front of a Lebanese village town hall, except half of those guys were dead in month from fighting Hezbollah lol.
>>62793122Yeah, thats why sinwar posed for his photo op behind a chait lmao
>>62793122So Israel will be destroyed any day now, then? Like two more weeks?
>>62793115Hamas, when they launched the war, shot more than Hezbollah does now, for weeks. Hezbollah is a complete failure and was soundly defeated and outwitted by the Jews.
>>62793140Yea, Israel will be destroyed the day after Hezbollah is utterly btfo, stops firing missiles, and Israel's ground invasion reaches the Litani. About two more weeks, yea, just about.
>>62793074assainating someone as far away as in tehran isn't as feesible with the airforce? it takes hours to get to iran and by that time the target might have moved from the location. it will be soemthing that's done by the mossad, not the airforce if it happens
>>62793091>They killed the founder of Hezbollah in 1992 and their occupation was stilled kicked out 8 years later. This is quite literally your first sandbox war if you think killing leadership leads to victory.damn maybe they should go back to their villages then. oh wait, there's nothing to go back to LOL
>>62793195>Gloating over the mindless destruction of civilian infrastructureYup, zigger tier.
>>62793154So Israel will be destroyed... Three days ago?
>>62793061>Kikes scheme and lie, but they at least *try* (and often fail) to make sure they don't fucking insult your intelligence. Palis just throw shit at the wall, and then get EXTREMELY mad at *you* when their toddler-tier attempt didn't pass the sniff test.I have two running theories on this. Either1) Palestinian and Arab propaganda machines literally can't do any betteror2) Palestinian defenders are so galvanized and ideologically captured that even a badly made fake will be spun as a positive (e.g. "if the Israeli weren't genociding them and if all those meanie Zionists stopped the war, they wouldn't need to make fakes")As usual, it ends up being a blend of both. The human animal runs on feelings and instincts first anyways.
>>62793075>chimpout that brings what you described down upon them.Every single commercial plane shoot down is a chimpout. It's literally the worst possible optics possible for a military, which is why Russia is still denying their shoot down even after overwhelming proof.
>>62793189it depends if you get the opportunity to do it. shooting a ballistic missile at a safehouse the guy is in is far easier than organizing a hit squad to infiltrate the country with appropriate gear.if i was in the IDFs shous id do it if army intelligence can know his exact location. this will trigger another one of those iranian rocket attack cycles but those leave them at a massive disadvantage each.
>>62793214>mindless destructionwhat are buffer-zones?
>>62785293all their launchers were destroyed
>>62793270>it depends if you get the opportunity to do it.how many assasinations has the mossad done in tehran now? i lost count. they can absolutely kill him in 18 different ways if given the order
>>62793285Buffer zones implies Israel can actually hold and clear out literally any territory in Lebanon which they have shown themselves to be utterly incapable of doing so. Plus a buffer zone for who? The border is still depopulated because Israel can't stop Hezbollah missiles lmao.
>>62791218>See this guy fighting to his last breath against overwhelming odds? He's actually a fuckin loser.You guys are weird.
>>62793311>See this guy fighting to his last breath against overwhelming odds? He's actually a fuckin loser.Only cool if you're fighting for a righteous cause, no, Islam and boy rape aren't righteous causes.
>>62793311He quite literally lost.
>>62793315>Defending your homeland against psychotic invaders isn't a just cause>Just let yourself be occupiedUh huh.
>>62793291mossad isnt magic, especially not when the enemy is on 100% full alert and your defense minister explicitly said hes gonna kill the guy you're protecting.killing someone with a lot of protection requires a lot of work preparing the hit all the while your top people you've spend millions training (each) are in the enemy country.a ballistic missile is far cheaper,safer,simpler.covert assassinations are done for deniability this is why they killed that iranian scientist with a drone turret on the road because if they killed him with IAF planes it would start a war immediately. but the current state is already a war since the iranian october 7 thing there's no real benefit to avoiding just blasting any enemy leaders in iran
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>>62793321>Defending your homeland against psychotic invaders isn't a just causeThat's right. The Lebanese should've fought off Hezbollah when their invasion (metaphorical and literal) of Lebanon began>Just let yourself be occupiedThey are quite literally occupied by a terrorist militant group.
>>62793323is gonna kill the guy* in general i mean
>>62793302>Buffer zones implies Israel can actually hold and clear out literally any territory in Lebanonthey've literally operated in the entire border area as the other anon has posted. that entire border area will be a bufferzone. the israelis only have to worry about their side of the border. that's the whole purpose of a bufferzone>Plus a buffer zone for whoi don't know whose villages are getting wiped of the face of the earth?
>>62793311>we love death more than you love life>tries to retreat and diesL O L
>>62793241>As usual, it ends up being a blend of both.Solid thesis overall, and from what I've seen you're right, it does wind up being a meld of both from person to person on the pro-pali side. Problem being, when you're so dogmatically captured, you fail to see how your bullshit is *actually* being received by the non-dogmatized.>It's literally the worst possible optics possible for a military, which is why Russia is still denying their shoot down even after overwhelming proof.This. I don't realistically see any group from the pro-pali side ever really pulling this sort of shit, they're...simple-minded but they can't be *that* dumb.
>>62785314>200k was probably an exaggeration to begin withIt was. The bulk of that total number of 150,000-200,000 were mortar rounds. >>62785474>since Oct 08 2023, between 100 and 500 (or more) rocket(missile) attacks happened every day ... using 300 as an average, that's 100,000 comfortably (we're in Nov 2024 now).This pre-war Israeli estimate has it around 75,000. But it has been misleading and strange to always see that larger number in the press referred to as rockets. I suppose it was a kind of "threat inflation," and media outlets would repeat the number because other ones said it. The media tends to move in a pack. If the New York Times says that Hezbollah has 150,000 rockets then everyone else will repeat that.It's still a considerable number but not as much as the biggest estimates circulating around.
>>62793328>The Lebanese should've fought off Hezbollah when their invasionThe singular reason why Hezbollah exists is because of the brutal Israeli occupation of South Lebanon, and those aren't my words.>In 2006, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak stated, "When we entered Lebanon … there was no Hezbollah. We were accepted with perfumed rice and flowers by the Shia in the south. It was our presence there that created Hezbollah.">>62793325Not actually cleared out judging by the fact that Hezbollah are still posting vids from the "cleared out" areas lol.>>62793333Not actually cleared out. They just detonate villages and declare victory. Plus suffering heavy casualties to make a buffer zone for depopulated Israeli villages? Pretty sound tactical reasoning.>>62793338What's with IDF propaganda and making all their """"captures"""" naked. Fuckin weird.
>>62793323my guy haniyeh was assasinated not that long ago while they were on full alert. not only that but he was assasinated in an irgc compound that was full protected by the states highest security. the mossad has multiple ways of getting to him. a ballistic missile or airstrike just isn't the right way to kill someone that far
>>62789651Eh, God made good on this promise and destroyed Tyre a long time ago. It was a waste and the current city just happens to be near its ruins. God also laid waste to the Assyrians, the Chaldeans, the Edomites, the Amorites, etc. but his people Israel live on.
>>62793376>It was our presence there that created HezbollahThen what's the issue? Israel is cleaning up their own mess as they should.
>>62793376>Not actually cleared out>They just detonate villageyou're contradicting yourself. how do you think engineers get time to set up and connect explosives in multiple buildings? they don't do that until they clear the area.>Plus suffering heavy casualties todefine heavy casualities. in 2006 the idf sufferend an average of 7 fatalities per day and today it's less than 2 per day. explain to me how that's heavy casualities. i don't even want to get into hezbollah's numbers.>What's with IDF propaganda and making all their """"captures"""" naked. Fuckin weird.it's almost like they fighting guys known to righ explosives to themselves and blow themselves up. i wouldn't wanna take the chance
>>62793237ACK
>>62793382haniya wasnt protected he wasnt even in a bunker or army base it was just some apartment building.i think they beep'd raisi to lure haniya out of qatar
>>62793416>haniya wasnt protected he wasnt even in a bunker or army base it was just some apartment building.so how is the airforce supposed to assasinate someone in a bunker with a ballistic missiles(s)? also if he is in an army bunker won't early warning systems give them a heads up to move to a safer area?
>>62793397>you're contradicting yourself.Oh its you again. Israelis running across the border to detonate empty villages before running back is not them "clearing out" an area.Again, its all meaningless because Israeli villages on the border are depopulated. Even the IDF say its meaningless that's why they're going "Mission Accomplished" lol.>define heavy casualities.Enough for Smotrich to be weeping over Religious Zionists getting btfo in Lebanon. Also enough for Israel to start drafting the Ultra-Ortho.>i wouldn't wanna take the chanceThe only suicide bombings in this war have been the IDF blowing up their own civilians lol.
>>62793431if he is in an army base*
>>62792702lmao ofc now the BASED ANTIZIONIST starts crying about muh human rights
>>62792928>no amount of capeshit or propaganda film can wash what zionists are doing ... You wont convince any american soldiers to die for israel today, they barely even support ukrainian intervention.I think it's more important whether Israel can convince Israeli soldiers to die for Israel. It is a problem for them that public opinion is turning against them, particularly among younger people, although it's an open question whether they'll retain those views as they get older. The biggest danger for the Israelis vis-a-vis American politics is the U.S. cutting off military aid. But this is politically very difficult because it means a bunch of people will lose jobs in weapons factories sitting in various congressional districts, so these politicians will have to go and say "yeah, gee, I'm sorry you won't be able to feed your kids tomorrow but we're cutting production because Israel is doing bad things with these weapons." They might happen eventually but it's definitely not happening right now in an election year.>>62793061>Kikes scheme and lie, but they at least *try* (and often fail) to make sure they don't fucking insult your intelligence. Yeah. I think another important thing about the Israelis (and why they seem to be bad at propaganda) is that a big part of the Zionist / Israeli mindset is that you don't explain yourself to other people. You don't ask for other people's approval or permission. It's kind of Nietzchean really and forged by particular historical experiences, and the rejection of the Diaspora existence. If you don't like them, that's your problem. If you're antisemitic, you're just a backwards retard. The Israelis come across to me like characters in a Coen brothers' movie. They're very blunt, direct. That might also be shaped by the Hebrew language which I've read lacks a lot of formalities and "it would be nice if you could please..." This scene is a good contrast between the Zionist Jew and a Diaspora Jew:https://youtu.be/yeBM3nwwmlE
>>62793016>With a person holding a .50 BMG with casing as a "fired bullet."Classic
>>62793311>He's actually a fuckin loser.He's actually a fucking retard that died for nothing
>>62793433>Israelis running across the border to detonate empty villages before running back is not them "clearing out" an areaah yes that mighty resistance that just so happens to not be around in a village when the idf enters. they totally didn't get their assses handed to them an retreat and scurry away right?>Again, its all meaningless because Israeli villages on the border are depopulated. depopulated because there's a war going on. yes that's what tends to happen. the communities are around gaza were evacuuated too until the situation changed same will happen for lebanon. can't say the same for them though as their villages are dead-zones as of now.>Even the IDF say its meaningless that's why they're going "Mission Accomplished" lol.where do they say it's meaninlgess. what i am reading says they have indeed destroyed the infastructure on the border area.
>>62793431bunker busters not ballistic missiles clearing iranian airspace from air defence batteries allows a far greater diversity of munitions than beforeif hes in a bunker hes already as safe as can be, if they researched the layout they can turn it into a grave by hitting the entrances and vents.i think they did this before in beirut there was one bunker site they bombed where they didnt allow anyone to go near it for days, drones would attack anyone approaching. my guess is they thought they buried some hezbollah inside and were waiting for them to die from fumes/wounds/asphyxiation before allowing people to dig up the bunker.
LMFAO. he really is in Iran. LOL.
>>62793459>ah yes that mighty resistance that just so happens to not be around in a village when the idf enters.>Drawing your militarily superior enemy into an ambush is fuckin stupid, actually.Why are you on this board if you know nothing about tactics or strategy.>same will happen for lebanon.Just two more weeks of terror bombings and the missiles will stop and the settlers will be allowed to return.>they have indeed destroyed the infastructure on the border area.They went in, suffered heavy casualties, blew up some empty houses, and scurried back across the border. Materially they changed nothing since Hezbollah gets infinite armaments from Iran and they have no plans of actually invading northern Israel lmao.Honestly the most pathetic showing of the IDF since this war began. They really aren't gonna shake the TikTok army allegations with such dogshit performance like that.
>>62793463even if that was possible and doable, it risks taking out a lot of iran's soldiers inside tehran. which would be an insane escalation. israel hasn't show that their willing to kill a lot of soldiers in dozens just yet
>>62793006Iran only produces 3.3 million barrels per day currently. In comparison, Russia production is down by almost a million barrels per day compared to the start of the Russo-Ukrainian War. You could easily destroy Iran's oil infrastructure without causing an oil crisis simply by attacking piecemeal to prevent major market shocks.
>>62793489And then they blockade the straights of Hormuz, like they've done in the past, and now you've got another 1973 oil crisis. I wonder how fast American support for Israel will evaporate once gas reaches $15 a gallon.Plus Iran starts dropping SRBMs into Tel Aviv.
>>62793480>Why are you on this board if you know nothing about tactics or strategy.>retreat after getting hammered>the jews blow up your village>??????>Just two more weeks of terror bombings and the missiles will stop and the settlers will be allowed to return.right i am sure this is israel's first war. >They went in, suffered heavy casualtiesi asked you to defined heavy casualities you failed to do so. israel has so far suffered 2 fatalities per day on average. explain how that's heavy>They really aren't gonna shake the TikTok army allegations with such dogshit performance like thatseems like hezbollah doesn't even wanna face the tik tok idf half the time. either they're running away or getting captured. 20 years of hype for nothing. they're literally leaving so many of their best ATGMs behind because they couldn't even retreat orderly
>>62793501>right i am sure this is israel's first war.They've never won against Hezbollah and they still haven't even defeated Hamas lol.>i asked you to defined heavy casualities you failed to do soCrying ministers and revised draft laws implies a lack of manpower as a result of combat casualties. >getting captured. lol, one IDF propaganda video and now Hezbollah are on the run. If they're so weak why haven't the IDF charged up to the Litani or even Beirut to smash their missile stockpile? They reached Beirut within a week in 1982. Why are they content with detonating empty houses on the border before scurrying back across while missiles continue to fly overhead unabated?
>>62793519Hezbollah has hardly been able to fire missiles and what they do get off has been completely ineffective you disingenuous mong.Why would they invade and accept the costs of occupying Lebanon when they are crippling Hezbollah on the cheap?
>>62793500If gas is $15 a gallon how quickly will Americans support sending carrier groups to level Iran?I don't think you have thought this through Achmed. Even the Chinese will bomb you, and the Gulf states will pile on.
>>62793525>Hardly been able to fire missiles>Constant sirens in Haifa>Border still depopulatedMan this is some serious cope.>crippling Hezbollah>still fighting and launching missilesGod this really is your first sandbox war, is it?
>>62793519>They've never won against Hezbollah and they still haven't even defeated Hamas lol.hezbollah used to attack israel frequently before 2006 and then they stopped after that war? why do you think that is? they can't attack forever. they'll accept a deal like they always have it'll go quiet again.>Crying ministers people cry when their loved ones die who knew?>and revised draft laws implies a lack of manpower as a result of combat casualtiesthe idf just formed an entire new division so this is bullshit. have you ever considered that there could be other reasons except the ones you make up in your head? have you ever thought about not making shit up?
>>62793535>my gas is expensive because Israel so I wanna send my soldiers to go die in IranUh huh, just like what happened during the 1973 oil crises lol.>>62793539>they'll accept a deal like they always have it'll go quiet again.The person who agreed to the 2006 deal and had agreed to a current ceasefire was gleefully blown up by Israel a month ago and the new guy in charge has blown off every new American attempt to broker a ceasefire. Israel do not understand Hezbollah and that's why they keep losing to Hezbollah. Hezbollah isn't going to agree to a ceasefire unless Israel fully retreats from Gaza no matter how many hospitals the IAF bombs.>the idf just formed an entire new division so this is bullshit.Yea cool, they're considering drafting the Haredis just for the fun of it I'm sure.
>>62793449>why they seem to be bad at propagandaPeople sleep on just how major a shift in media presentation happened when Israel started doing roof knocking and evacuation warnings for their strikes. Everything shifted from the Palestinian PR having the advantage of first response and controlling the narrative to Israel shaping perception and giving the media something exciting to put on the evening news.
>>62793557>The person who agreed to the 2006 deal and had agreed to a current ceasefirelol bullshit. you want to tell me the person who had said they'll never agree to a ceasefire just so happens to agree to one right before he died. lol. how fucking stupid are you?>Hezbollah isn't going to agree to a ceasefire unless Israel fully retreats from GazaLebanon isn't hezbollah. internal pressure will make them agree to one whether they like it or not.
>>62793449>yeah, gee, I'm sorry you won't be able to feed your kids tomorrow but we're cutting production because Israel is doing bad things with these weapons.Wtf is this cope? Do you seriously not think that there's enough demand for American weapons worldwide?
>>62785293They were sold off obviously. Well I would guess judging by the numbers 95% were. This has never been a war for Palestinian by hezbollah. It's a scam.
>>62793449>forged by particular historical experiencesLook I get it, some bad shit has happened to jews (they're not unique in this, and other groups as genuinely historically aggrieved don't get the same leeway they're given, but I digress). Most of my beef with Israel comes down to policy and them selling US tech secrets to unsavory fuckers like China. I don't like the French for a couple similar reasons (they just like selling all kinds of weapons to actual adversaries of the US and the West), too.Another issue is they expend a lot of goodwill and have gotten used to expecting the US to be their safety net, at no small expense to the US (and I'm not talking monetary cost). These things are things within Israel's power to at least ameliorate or ease with some changes, and they kinda just choose not to. At barest minimum, that's pretty insulting.To me, if the pro-pali side are serious about decreasing the amount of shit we send to Israel, then they'd all be chomping at the bit to see regime change in Iran to a Western-friendly government, at best, and at worst one that isn't interested in casting Israel and the US as their number 1 and number 2 bogeymen. Naturally, we don't hear much about Iran in a bad sense from the pro-palis.To me, until and unless anything approaching that happens, Israel isn't going anywhere and nothing regarding the US strategic partnership with them will change, either. And the zoomers are all idiots that'll forget about this when the next thing they're supposed to ReallyCareAbout™ comes along, and the smarter ones will just grow out of caring all that much about it like most Americans.
>>62793449We can't cut off aid. Have you seen our elections. No matter who wins Israel gets 15 billion if Democrats win and 90 billion if Republicans win. If it wasnt for trolls like you giving certain orange people while trashing Democrats visibility Israel would get none.
>>62793489>You could easily destroy Iran's oil infrastructure without causing an oil crisis simply by attacking piecemeal to prevent major market shocks.This is too good to be true. It'd be fucking great, but I'm too used to disappointment.
>>62793561>lol bullshit.Cope.>>62793561Yet another example of Israel fundamentally not understanding their enemies. The Lebanese government is weak and ineffectual and certainly can't stand up to Hezbollah no matter how much the Ambassador tries. Plus the IDF indiscriminate terror bombing is hardly improving their image in the eyes of the rest of Lebanon lol.
>>62793578It wouldn't even create a ripple in the west. Crude production would throttle up elsewhere.
>>62793580>says Lebanon ministerso you're are that retarded. should've known> The Lebanese government is weak and ineffectual and certainly can't stand up to Hezbollah no matter how much the Ambassadorthey're negiotinng and trying to get a deal right know as we speak. what is hezbollah gonna do when something goes trough? use force while they have to deal with israel ?>Plus the IDF indiscriminate terror bombing is hardly improving their image in the eyes of the rest of Lebanon there's already been a couple of clashes in multiple places between "displaced people" aka shias coming from hezbollah strongholds and other citizens and internnal security. they were kicked out of multiple places by force for various reason. no one wants them nor hezbollah in their places. hezbollah and its supports are hated in lebanon.
>>62793519>If they're so weak why haven't the IDF charged up to the Litani or even Beirut to smash their missile stockpile? They reached Beirut within a week in 1982.Because that's bait. That would be a great idea if you wanted to drag Israel into an unwinnable counter-insurgency type operation which will sap morale, become very unpopular among the Israeli public, and they'll inevitably have to withdraw, giving whoever held out the chance to claim victory which is exactly what happened when they invaded Lebanon in the 1980s, which is why Israel is not going to do that. It's all politics. I have no idea how it's all going to end up, but Hezbollah is reeling. This invincible image they've built up in the minds of Lebanese has been shattered -- at the height of their power at that. Instead, Nasrallah died in the dumbest of ways, targeted after meeting a senior commander who himself had barely survived an Israeli strike days before in the same area. And instead of the organizational prowess the group has long been lauded for, we've only seen chaos and disarray in the past few weeks. Israel now hunts Hezbollah wherever they go, striking in the heart of Beirut, or in Christian mountain villages, acts which were unthinkable months ago.Hezbollah's rivals also smell blood. Its rivals, sensing weakness, will act strong and seek to impose their will. Hezbollah, being weak, will be more assertive internally, more conscious of its enfeebled status and the need to defend its power.
>>62793500If Iran tries to block the Straits it would only cause Iran's neighboring countries to turn on it because it's their oil exports Iran is fucking with. Plus it would means zero incentive to not immediately fuck over all of Iran's petroleum industry, which makes up ~15% of its GDP and ~25% of government revenue.
>>62793449>that picrelWait a minute, what happened with that Wu broad now? I always remembered her being an almost catoonish caricature of a leftoid white woman, what's changed?
>>62793557In 1973 the US abandoned Israel? Or did we give Sadam hands on support to gas Iranians, killing almost a million if you. And Donald Trump with his huge Israel boner is going to very likely be President soon and Congress as delegated virtually all war powers to the President and you want to start shit? We start by taking out your air defenses. Then we bomb every last power plant, dam, hospital, bridge, water treatment plant, vaccine production site, and port. And all the oil infrastructure.Then we sit back as your population starves, resorts to cannibalism, and dies in their millions while we encourage the minorities to revolt and give them weapons. All that will be left in 3 years is a small Persian rump state poorer that Afghanistan.Trump isn't doing "gloves on police action nice guy shit." As for your Houthis, literally all it takes is stopping food shipments and bombing some key water infrastructure and that population collapses too.
>>62793557>send my soldiers to go die in IranYou know goddamn well the US is going to run a 12 week bombing and missile campaign without putting a single boot on the ground.
>>62793583You've given me a new hope, anon.
>>62793500Iran would get gang banged harder than the Gulf War if they tried that lol.
>>62791905The "the Jews will just all leave when it gets uncomfortable" meme doesn't work for the majority Mizrahim population whose ancestors left places like fucking Yemen, Iraq, etc. Israelis are mostly brown people identical to Arabs, they're not Germans and Americans like everyone believes
>>62793500do people known 90% of iran's oil revenue comes from one island?
>>62792360>protests in the streets calling for Bibi to step downYou're insane if you think Israeli society wants to end the war. They want Bibi gone, but that doesn't change their overall geo-strategic interests and aims. The IDF is the single unifying pillar of Israeli society which they all will immediately rally behind at all times.
>>62793578The would obviously be fluctuations - futures traders actually lost money following the most recent Israeli strikes because no oil infrastructure was targeted - but if you spread it out over enough time the market is able to adjust just as slowly. Gas prices in Jan. '22 were averaged at $3.25 a gallon, reached $5 a gallon in June, and were down to $3.05 in December. In 2023 the average price never dropped below $3 and never rose above $4; currently the average price sits at $3.16 while the highest price for 2024 was in April at $3.64. Again, this is with a Russian production loss comparable to roughly 1/3rd of Iran's crude production capacity within the first two years of the conflict plus boycotts and sanctions on the Russian petroleum industry.
>>62793638Its the ashkenazim that makes the country functional, without them its just a bunch of brown people thinking its okay to kill children>>62793624Iran has the capacity to destroy every pipeline and oil facility of the region
>>62793627Just like they did when Houthis cut 56% of Red Sea trade and caused insurance premiums to skyrocket? Have they actually done anything to end the trade restrictions through the straits Oh wait, they have been shit and continue to be shit at forcing the hand of Shia pirates.
>>62793744>Iran has the capacity to destroy every pipeline and oil facility of the regionthey also have the capacity to understand why even an attempt at that would be a bad idea
>>62793804They already did it and can do it again
>>62793759Has anyone noticed any effect at all from the houthis supposedly collapsing global trade? I can still get whatever I like from wherever I like without any trouble.
>>62793744>Iran has the capacity to destroy every pipeline and oil facility of the regionWell that would be a funny move, hope they try it, I mean, I guess it would mean finally starting to lose some pounds but Iran being on the receiving end of an arab coalition with a lack of interest for Geneva Convention and human rights while Tehran no longer having thriving demographics would be an interesting historical experiment.
>>62793886Pop food has gotten somewhat more expensive but that basically means some fewer money for hobbies, while it's true zoomies aren't having such a great time I think it's more about the meme of following your liberal arts dream career and then having dick boomer parents who don't give them a small hand, but that's "developed" countries, within the global south living with your parents pr some other relative isn't that much of a shame.
>>62793916>arab coalitionLolTehran survived chemical warfare and has china and russia as main suppliers, it will be a very long and expensive war
>>62793936>within the global southEh, not necessarily the global south. Europe (excluding the britoids) is actually pretty alright in letting the kids shack up until they get a degree and a good job.
>>62793825>they already did>attacking saudi oil with drones is the same as attempting to destroy every pipeline and oil facility in the regionwut? are you serious?
>>62793971The US doesnt have enough forces to défend every infrastructure, if iran can hit israeli air bases under 36 layers of air defense what makes you think they cant hit refineries and pipelines?
>>62794007>défendWhat colonized African state are you from? Algeria, maybe? Why did your keyboard autocorrect to french?
>>62794020Bessarabia
>>62793953>has china and russia as main suppliers,russia has its own problem to deal with. this is why they needed help from north korea and iran in the first place. as for china LOL. goodluck getting anything meanigful from them. there's a reason why russia has to go to iran and north kore instead of china for weapons, even though the chinese have vastly superior weapons
>>62793953>china and russia as main suppliersRussia is currently being supplied by Iran and China sure as shit isn't going to stick its dick in the garbage disposal to help out Iran when its got decent relations with everyone else involved in the conflict.
>>62794064Russia gave S400 to iran and is giving them SU-35 in exchange of shahed drones and ballistic missilesChina is supplying Russia with ammo, they are just hiding it to not get sanctions
>>62794103What's Russia going to give when Iran doesn't have any spare shaheds or missiles to sell?
>>62794103>Russia gave S400 to irannever happened>is giving them SU-35 is giving them... as in the present continuous tense. may i see them or at least indications that deliveries ever happened>China is supplying Russia with ammo, theyammo. what do you mean by ammo. you mean shit in small quanitities or what? because that's not the shit that makes a difference. it's the stuff they're actively asking for that does like artillery, atgms, drones, missiles, etc
>>62794130>never happenedhttps://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-said-to-be-delivering-advanced-air-defenses-to-iran-as-tehran-touts-ties/>is giving them... as in the present continuous tense. may i see them or at least indications that deliveries ever happenedWill happen>ammo. what do you mean by ammo.https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/business/economy/china-russia-ammunition.html
>>62794174>https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-said-to-be-delivering-advanced-air-defenses-to-iran-as-tehran-touts-ties/cool. cool. so where in the article does it say the S400 was delivered?>Will happenso it didn't happen you were lying and it will happen in 2 week for real this time?>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/business/economy/china-russia-ammunition.htmlfucking gunpower? so the chinks are just giving them gunpowder. nothing that the russians actually desperately need like atgms, drones, artillery, missiles, etc?
>>62794207Its a more advanced systems than S-300, do the mathA delivery takes time and they cant really teach the pilots in iranThey dont need atgms they have their owndrones are supplied by iranThey dont need artilleryMissiles are supplied by north koreaWhat they need the most is gun powder to feed the ammo factories
>>62794236>Its a more advanced systems than S-300, do the mathnowhere does it say the system being delivered is more advavnced than S300. it simply says "advanced system">A delivery takes time and they cant really teach the pilots in irantalk to me when there are deliveries. they've been promising them for years>They dont need atgms they have their ownso why ask for nork shit?>Missiles are supplied by north korea>drones are supplied by iranexactly because china refused to supply them.>What they need the most is gun powder to feed the ammo factoriesproof?
>>62793886>Higher insurance premiums >Increase shipping costs >Larger fuel demand due to circumventing the canal and going around Africa >Longer transit times has effects on supply chain stabilityIt’s not catastrophic but it’s not “unnoticeable”.
>>62785293I'm so sorry, but Hezbollah is currently a bit short on hands.
>>62793706>futures traders actually lost money following the most recent Israeli strikes because no oil infrastructure was targetedJesus
>>62793622She rebranded as Israel's strongest soldier. I remember her as a culture warrior on the left side of Gamergate. But she's also transgender and a bit older, and I guess she doesn't fuck with Hamas when stacked up alongside Israeli tranny Eurovision stars.This is a thing that happens if you read about the history of the left. Disillusioned former communists used to call it their "Kronstadt moment." Like you buy into the array of progressive causes, but something happens and then suddenly your friends start holding up portraits of Hassan Nasrallah, a cleric who spent the months leading up to 10/7 branding Lebanon's LGBT community as traitors to the nation. It just looks completely ghastly and threatening to someone like her, like East German troops gunning down striking workers in the 1950s. It's like the complete inversion of what you thought the thing was, which is all-the-more disturbing to the strongest partisans of that cause. Or like Mao meeting Nixon. There were Western Maoists who had emotional breakdowns.Anyways she likes to troll. Her thing during Gamergate was wanting more female protagonists in games, and her favorite character is Princess Peach. I think she's one of the world's fastest Super Mario Bros 2 speed runners because you can play as Princess Peach in that one. So now she's Zionist Princess Peach holding an assault rifle.
>>62792380>The IDF is being bled white, we killed five whole enemy soldiers today!Lmao
>>62793622Another thing (kind of weird for /k/ but it's 4chan which played a role in all of that Gamergate stuff) is that she was adopted at an early age by a deeply conservative Christian family from Mississippi (I think) who disowned her when she transitioned in college. So, like, your natural parents abandon you and then your adopted parents abandon you while being religious fundies... you can see why leftists simping for Islamic resistance groups might trigger her to totally break with it and go to war.
>>62794385>>62794403I feel nothing but a sense of somber vindication. They somehow always manage to create gigantic rifts within their communities. It's crazy. Let them die stuck at each other's necks. "Her" and the crowd "she" helped prop up.
>>62794580This times a hundred.Far as I'm concerned, western leftists and feminists specifically have earned what they've got coming to them at the hands of swarthy rape ape gangs.Defend your own families and property, sure, but I'm not going to stick my neck out for the cities or lefty strongholds.Same reason I've got no sympathy for all the college and media Jews that suddenly found all their friends screaming "From the River to the Sea!"
>>62794327Now that's a funny one
>>62794007> if iran can hit israeli air bases under 36 layers of air defense what makes you think they cant hit refineries and pipelines?the fact that they can get raped in return? you thnk nothing will happen to them if they decided on that venture?>if iran can hit israeli air bases also, please stop with this. hitting sand around any airbase doesn't count as hitting it, retard
>>62793311>unironically peddling the sandnigger propaganda of "look at our righteous warriors! fighting to the bitter end!"
>>62794580>>62794611Everyone has a come to Jesus meeting sooner or later and being able to recognize you were wrong is a good thing. However, having dealt with people on both sides I'd be more concerned that rather than serious introspection it's just the same dogmaticism with a flipped script. It's like when you see fundies break with the church and go full screaming athiest; they didn't stop being a fundie, they switched teams.
>>62791739It was probably 1v5 or some shit + they had drone over him, they basically had wall hacks.>>62793311Also,.this, the guy is more badass than 99.99% of fat american mutts on here
>>62794327Even with all of going on they still believe in their God and go pray... meanwhile in America I saw graffiti writing saying "God is gone" after a hurricane, these guys are fucking units and that's scary if you ask me. Their resilience reminds me of the gooks resistance my grandpa used to tell me when he fought in Korea.
>>62796280It helps that they also lack things such asCritical thoughtAbility to question their leadershipAbility to question their religious dogmaAnd their religion is based on fanatical martyrdom and death. Islam is the Mormonism of Abrahamic faiths, unquestionable dogma bypassed via infinite loop-holes.
