World's largest naval arms show. Nov 4–7.https://euronaval.fr
►NEWShttps://euronaval.fr/the-exhibition/2024-media-partnershttps://navalnews.com/category/event-news/euronaval-2024https://defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/euronavalhttps://breakingdefense.com/tag/euronaval►STUFFEXHIBITORS - select "Cards" to switch from maphttps://euronaval.fr/2024-exhibitors-listPRhttps://euronaval.fr/press-releasesStartupshttps://euronaval.fr/highlights/seannovationVideoshttps://youtube.com/@euronaval8981/videos
Noon in Paris, so the french should be waking up.
Is that diesel-powered fuel cell still being developed? I rememeber a bunch of articles about it circa 2019, then a couple around 2021, then nothing.
>>62821199Is it french? Can't recall what you mean off the top. Exploitable submarine.png from the event homepage, btw.
▶MBDA Unveils Submarine-Launched SM40 Exocet MissileThe new variant, designated SM40 by the company, is a cut-down version of the latest ship-launched MM40 Block 3c modified for encapsulated launch from a submarine torpedo tube. MBDA says the proposed development, which would succeed the legacy SM39 in the Exocet family portfolio, has arisen from discussions with the DGA and the French Navy, while also reflecting demand from Naval Group for a new sub-launched anti-ship cruise missile to support export submarine sales.MBDA, Defense News, Naval Newshttps://archive.is/lFbkyhttps://archive.is/dEnMshttps://archive.is/hO1Pe▶RelatedExocet MM40 Block 3Chttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62595239
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>>62821209Can't remember the actual name, was developed by Indret.
>>62821226I'll check on it.
▶MBDA Celebrates 4000th Exocet Missile[T]he Exocet missile has just taken a step forward, by seeing its 4000th unit released from the factories in France, Center region. This 4000th unit has been handed over the French Navy. To mark this occasion, MBDA has prepared for the 2024 Euronaval exhibition a specially designed model of the 4000th unit, which highlights the key unique elements from the Exocet. Different colors are used, showcasing among others its reliability, its "fire-and-forget" capability, highlighting that the Exocet is the one and only for all conditions: all weather, all military targets, all electronic warfare (EW) environments, anywhere and everywhere.https://archive.is/SblR1
>>62821215>SM40 Fucking finally. Don't understand what took them so long, given that their competition (UGM-84) was as old as the SM39, and only got some minor upgrades. At least now they can finally claim they have the best-in-class product.
EuropeStrong
What is special about the Exocet ? What do you need to make a missile that's good at sinking (and not just damaging) boats ?
▶SEA Ancilia CountermeasuresNot actually new at Euronaval, but this is worth a read if you're into this topic:https://navalnews.com/event-news/euronaval-2024/2024/11/ancilia-soft-kill-counter-measures-system-could-carry-other-capabilities-says-sea▶RelatedRoyal Navy gets Ancilia launchershttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61322091
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▶Safran NGDS Countermeasures - Mistral UpgradeSafran Turns NGDS Decoy Launcher into CIWS with Mistral MissilesSafran is working on a new development of its NGDS (New Generation Dagaie System) trainable decoy launcher which would effectively turn it into a Mistral missile launcher / CIWS. The move is directly related to new challenges faced by navies in the Red Sea and Black Sea.- 4 × Mistral 3 missiles on each side- 1 × NGDS => 8 ready-to-fire missiles"First rank" vessels of the French Navy are typically fitted with 2 × NGDS launchers: With this upgrade, Safran and MBDA could provide [France and other customers like Singapore] with a rather simple solution to adopt RAM-like CIWS or PDMS consisting in a total of 16 missiles.Safran, EDR, Naval Newshttps://archive.is/kUyivhttps://archive.is/MktEThttps://archive.is/NFRJW
>>628214252/2. Brochure not yet updated.
▶Safran NGDS Countermeasures - The Cube™Xavier V:Safran is also working on a modular solution for its (legacy) decoy launcher. The French company inked in 2023 a MoU with Danish naval modularity company SH Defence. This is in relation to an ongoing Royal Danish Navy requirement for modular decoy launcher to be fitted on the future class of Danish patrol ships.Pic: examples of modular NGDS decoy launching system as part of The Cube™ system. The NGDS is placed on the new single rail mover system for the deck and mission bay developed for the Cube Modular System.
>>62821430[A]daptability is at the heart of the design of these new generation ships. Systems such as The Cube allow for rapid reconfiguration of missions such as switching from an anti-aircraft Corvette configuration, with 1 × modularized NGDS on each side, to an OPV configuration with 1 × NGDS in the center or on the stern. This therefore allows a ship to be reassigned to a different mission very quickly.Another advantage is maintenance: taking the NGDS out of the ship via The Cube system allows the ship not to be immobilized during repair or maintenance. This therefore increases the availability of the ship.Pic: the Arctic Frigate pitched by OSK Design to the Royal Danish Navy as a replacement for the Thetis class patrol vessels. 1 × NGDS module fitted amidship, on the upper deck.
>>62821417man I know this is strictly a better idea but I miss the dumb flop out cylinder concept oneships need more bins cluttering the decks, says I
>>62821430Not to gainsay their hard work but do they know what "cube" means?
>>62821430i hope your dei pajeets didn't get paid for this shit
>>62821391the first thing is targeting this type of munition gets launched from a good long distance away and your munition has to be able to target and track a ship within a group of ships.You want the missile to come in low for the final approach to decrease the amount of fire the task group can put on you so the missile has to be able to switch from top down to horizontal targeting/trackingA good example of this is one of the exocet launches by the argies on the brits during the falkland war. It went through a smoke screen on the final approuch and instead of re-acquiring the carrier it was aimed at went for an auxiliary cargo shipthen you have to deal with naval task forces being some of the most defended targets out therethen you have to hit them where it hurts so go for the command node or the water lineand the final and big one is the payload. You need a lot of bang to sink a ship, so you need a lot of missile to get it there.The excorset family is one of the very few air to sea missiles that have been fired in anger.on top of that the frogs have had access to the data from both the attacker and the defender. Oh and the argies figured out how to niggerrig them onto a wheeled launch platform. So they are quite vigintile provided you’ve a radar laying around you can use for the targeting.
>>62821436Floppy is fun, I agree.>>62821442The "cube" is the container system. They love this shit in euroships-verse.https://shdefence.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/SH-Defence_Brochure_The-Cube_06_2022_Low.pdf>>62821445They're danes.
▶Naval Group Seaquest USV>According to Naval Group, the Seaquest S is the first tactical USV designed to be launched and recovered from existing surface combatants, without the need for modification. The Seaquest S has already been tested with a French Navy FREMM.https://navalnews.com/event-news/euronaval-2024/2024/11/euronaval-2024-naval-group-unveils-seaquest-usvhttps://youtu.be/YRJLvQEbIaQ
▶Montenegro buys french Patrol VesselsMontenegro's navy will acquire 2 × OPV60 offshore patrol vessels from french shipbuilder Kership.French articles:https://archive.is/JIHPShttps://archive.is/YCG3W
>>628220402/2https://www.kership.com/navire/opv60/
▶ATLA × ISL: railgun for the French Navy will launch projectiles at Mach 8.7Opex360https://archive.is/EWf6xFrench-German Research Institute of Saint-Louis [ISL]https://isl.eu/isl-at-euronaval-2024/https://youtu.be/5DfWXOT1FSQ▶Relatedhttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61703870https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61757894/#q61758138
>>62822208Oh shit
>>62821445Nigga, you never seen forklift openings on an ISO container before?
>>62821425Having a multipurpose decoy launcher that can be converted into a CIWS turret is an interesting idea. Especially if you can mix & match decoys and SAMs in the same launcher.
>>62822771I dunno. Increasing your CIWS potential by reducing the number of decoys? Hard tradeoff to make.
>>62822960yeah, it's a sidegrade at best
>>62822960I'unno, hardkill beats softkill IMO.
>>62823219it's tacitly admitted that in naval combat, EW (which includes decoys) beats anti-missile systemsthey just won't say to what extent, obviously
>>62822960It shouldn't travel alone.
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>>62820683>Be surrounded in literal hydrogen >Can't make a hydrogen submarine.
>>62823280Sounds a bit like cope tbdesu. Plus, you can't really use a decoy to knock down an overwatch drone staying 5+ km away. Gun might not have the range (especially if it's an autocannon instead of a 76), and bigger missiles are too expensive. Also, decoys are useless against object recog seekers. Those need to be shot down.
>>62825184>Sounds a bit like copenope, it's actually combat-provennot counting the recent engagements (which are still classified) more antiship missiles have been decoyed than have been shot down with anti-missile systems>overwatch dronewell obviously, because those aren't attacking, but that's a slightly different kettle of fish>decoys are useless against object recog seekersah, but HOW do those seekers recognise objects?if they're primitive enough, optronic sensors can be blinded
>>62825167You have to electrolyze it from the water first. It's thermodynamically impossible to gain energy from re-oxidizing it back into water with a fuel cell.
>>62825287>this nigga thinks thermodynamics is real
>>62825281 >more antiship missiles have been decoyed Well, yes, because, for several decades, all AShMs used the same basic-bitch "signal go bigger" tracking. Pretty much all anti-ship missiles fired every which way were like this. So launching something like those inflatable octahedrons, or IR bloom chaff, was an easy way to trick them. However, we're at an inflection point where signal strength alone is no longer relevant, but rather a seeker matches a signal strength to a signal shape. Heck, the silicon for this (object recognition and filtering) is a decade old at this point. >if they're primitive enough, optronic sensors can be blinded You're not going to blind them with a Nulka or a Dagaie, especially if they have even a low-tech light gating solution and a multiband seeker (ex. IR and UV). You need lasers for that, and those aren't in the softkill category anymore. And not all ships have the generator/wiring/space required to feed one.
▶Fincantieri PPA EvoUp to 64 × VLSNaval News, RID (italian)https://archive.is/xhSZVhttps://archive.is/BLf63
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>>62820683Why are you posting this on this American shithole french anon? Fuck these scumbags. This is a better weapons board for you and a lot better than this shithole full of worthless American picks.https://www.tirmailly-forum.com/mildot/portal.php
>>62825436Not french, never heard of that forum before. Noted.
▶Fincantieri FREMM EvoThe new FREMM Evo frigates of the Italian Navy will be equipped with the MBDA MdCN missile, aka SCALP NAVAL.Naval News, RID (italian)https://archive.is/zTmKJhttps://archive.is/xN2Jl
>>62825478Have the pastas managed to multipack the CAMM-ER into SYLVER? I remember reading about how they were researching ways to do that.
>>62825499>multipackI was under the impression that CAMM can quad-pack and CAMM-ER can dual-pack.
>>62825954I've seen a couple mock-ups and sketches on the net, but nothing concrete about implementation.
▶Indra Counter UAS - CROW systemBab el-Mandeb type beathttps://files.catbox.moe/kdc77h.mp4
Europeans start work on next-generation combat ship for the 2040shttps://defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/11/05/europeans-start-work-on-next-generation-combat-ship-for-the-2040s
>>62820683Not part of Euronaval, but of a Euro and Marine disposition, with obvious applications for distributed waterway logistics: https://youtu.be/5fqnbskTAjI
▶Naval Group Multipurpose Modular Launcher SystemThe MPLS is composed of a two-axis trainable turret with a total loaded mass of less than 3.5 tonnes and characterized by a launcher with interchangeable munitions modules accommodating an unprecedented payload of 1,000 kg and offering simplified onboard integration. The firing computer and the fire control system are integrated into the launcher, enabling it to track moving targets. It can function either in autonomous mode or connected to the combat system. A ship can have one or more MPLS turrets that can combine different weapons configurations, depending on operational needs.Naval Group, EDRhttps://archive.is/Mnkzdhttps://archive.is/9CBSP
>>62826644>PARIS — The European Union has started work on a next-generation combat vessel that could enter service somewhere in the 2040s, and the bloc’s defense ministers may sign a letter of intent to pursue the project at a meeting in two weeks, the head of the maritime unit of the European Defence Agency said.>Six EU member states are “very much interested,” including four with bigger navies, Jürgen Scraback, who heads the maritime domain unit at the EDA, told Defense News at the Euronaval conference here, after participating in a panel discussion about the plans.Wow, this is big.
>>62827831I need more background info before I form any opinions on it. Consort(ium) once, cry once.
▶MARTAC Devil Ray T18 USV>MARTAC is set to manufacture hundreds of SUSVs (Smart USVs) in 2025 including the new Devil Ray T18, an easily transportable, stealthy system based on the high-performance Devil Ray architecture as part of their turnkey maritime security solution.Known for their US contracts, ex. MUSKIE M18.MARTAC, Naval Newshttps://youtu.be/nuWxD1ma6Ykhttps://archive.is/oSvzA
▶MBDA completes the first launch of new Teseo MK2/E AShM for Italian NavyMBDAhttps://archive.is/VREr8https://youtu.be/7SYnZocHa74
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>>62827898Teseo is a nice missile, with a nice, big warhead, and very good range (in the latest Mk2/E version). However it's fucking massive (for a Western-designed AShM), and only comes in one version (technically two, but the second one is an ASROC-equivalent), so it can only be carried by surface ships, instead of being a family of missiles like the Harpwn or the Sexocet (who also have more compact versions).
>>62827888It could PESCO'd, which should make it safe from shenanigans:>The EDA and member states are considering whether to make the future combat vessel a project within the EU’s Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO) framework, which would lock in a commitment by heads of state, Scraback said.
>>62827720Why oh why is the Mistral module merely 2x2 and not 3x3 ? You'd have more missile in only two cells, than with four in that configuration and could yet have 44 rockets on the side.I know it is easy to bitch and I assume there are structural and isolation of rounds requirements behind the design, but it wouldn't be the first time we'd see missile packed much more dense than what is depicted on the image.On a sidenote I saw on some website that they shot a Mistral 3 at a UAV target at 12 kilometers, which is damn nice for a manpad sized missile. Even if the target was kinda cooperative that's quite a progress.
>>62827979Probably a good idea. Nothing will be safe from lack of orders though.
>>62828336Something something, each cell is a standard "ammo pod" and they're working with ammo providers to maximize the range of ammo available. Adding a 2x1 to the mix is probably overcomplicating it at this stage.
>>62821215apparently needs its own headline
▶Rolls-Royce develops new mtu energy and automation solutions for future submarinesRolls-Royce is presenting the concept of a new mtu on-board power generator with significantly higher output for submarines at the Euronaval trade fair in Paris. The on-board charging unit, powered by a 20-cylinder mtu Series 4000 engine specially adapted for submarines (the graphic shows an early concept study), is designed to meet the requirements of modern submarines for more electrical power and faster battery charging.Plus "mtu NautIQ: underwater ship automation"https://rolls-royce.com/media/press-releases/2024/30-10-2024-rr-develops-new-mtu-energy-and-automation-solutions-for-future-submarines
>>62820683Why don't they just make all aircraft carriers submarines? Then the chinese missiles are useless.
>>62829632I wish there was a better choice than a diesel for submarine power generation (yes, even nuke boats have them, for emergency aux power).
Post stuff dudes
Last official day.>>62830122Japanese have exhaustively experimented with all the options, haven't they?
Any news about the PA-NG ?
>>62830413It was confirmed it will get three emals catapult but that's about it I guess. Shit will ge out in 2040 at best after all.
>>62825287Big subs already electrolyze water for oxygen anyways.Can the same process be used for hydrogen? Is it?Seems like nuclear subs could use hydrogen for emergency power.
>>62830321>Japanese have exhaustively experimented with all the options, haven't they? I thought they only tried closed-cycle diesels and Stirling engines. They used Stirling engines for a while, but IIRC the latest subs only have regular snorkeling diesels, and a shitton of Li-ion cells. Did they ever experiment with turbines or fuel cells?
No new pics/vids?
>>62822208>GermanyWhy add them when they have zero knowledge of anything advanced or modern?
>>62831307Of the carrier? Yeah there are new ones
>>62828336>On a sidenote I saw on some website that they shot a Mistral 3 at a UAV target at 12 kilometers That's quite a ways beyond the advertised "over 8 km". That kind of range makes a cheaper (if less capable) alternative to the RIM-116.
▶MBDA Sea WardenNew thing, same approach as Sky Warden - family of systems under a brand.MBDAhttps://archive.is/VXlcW
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>>62821750Better article:https://edrmagazine.eu/naval-group-sirenha-and-couach-unveil-the-seaquest-s-multi-role-combat-usv
Came across this. The website of something called the Comunidad Submarinista Latinoamericana. They have apparently been around since 2000.https://www.elsnorkel.com
>>62821215>>62821216>>62821220>>62821224>>62821240>>62829406Nice, they're only 30 years late to the game.
>>62834187How you know that you're about to see a VERY GOOD post
>>62830504Doesn't latest German sub use hydrogen fuel cell?
>>62834370Well, yes, but I was referring to the Japanese in my reply. And, in my older post, I was asking about a prime mover to replace diesels in a non-nuke boat (rather than low-power AIP solutions). I know Spanish subs use ethanol, but they run it in modified diesels.
▶Germany × Singapore Germany and Singapore enter into partnership in the field of submarines and underwater technologyBAAINBw (german govt), ESUThttps://archive.is/cduPehttps://archive.is/WgQAt
Krauts, the training ship Gorch Fock has been overhauled ahead of schedule and there is an opportunity to tour it in Hamburg this weekend.2024-11-09 and 2024-11-10, 12:00 – 18:00https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/organisation/marine/aktuelles/gorch-fock-hamburg-besichtigen-5854792
>>62830122>>62830321>>62830504>>62834370>>62834380Hear me out. KSS-III Batch 2 will be having both LiB and hydrogen fuel cell at the same time. Honestly, I wonder if they're going to employ ammonia fuel cell in the 3rd batch since it's now compact enough to be mounted on a drone.https://youtu.be/0CrcGufzPwQ
>>62821475I like the idea of the Cube. At least as I understand it, seems to be more down to Earth approach to modularity. Instead of whatever LCS was trying to be its a relatively straightforward set of specifications for ships. And as a result a way for euro MIC to sell more shit to small navies. "Yeah your 4 ships have 7 modules each, what if you need 30 CIWS to fill them all and some spares?"
>>62834446Frankly, if using both AIP and high-cap batteries, I'd go for a less-volatile chemistry, even if it would decrease total capacity. Maybe silver-zinc, or something similar?
>>62834410how many pirates has she caught?
>>62834410Interestingly, the Gorch Fock is part of a class, the only military sailing ships built as a series in the modern era.
>>62821391It's a cold war missile that has made a name for itself by sinking quite a few ships, including British ones. Along with the Harpoon they're oldies but goodies that everyone uses.Other than that, it's not really special and there are much newer and better missiles made even within Europe.
>>62825363>for several decades, all AShMs used the same basic-bitch "signal go bigger" trackingThis continues today as well for many nations and existing stockpiles.>However, we're at an inflection point where signal strength alone is no longer relevant, but rather a seeker matches a signal strength to a signal shape.Decoys can do that too and the matching mechanism is far from perfect.>Heck, the silicon for this (object recognition and filtering) is a decade old at this point.This means that anything less than a decade old doesn't use this, which excludes 90% of the current arsenals nations posess.>especially if they have even a low-tech light gating solution and a multiband seeker (ex. IR and UV)Which countries actually fields these? Because so far the only nations that have such capabilities are allied with each other. China is still stuck with radar seekers and because of their meddling with supersonic missiles they're unlikely to swap any time soon.
>>62834446I don't bother posting about their naval programs because it's hard to tell what is vaporware and when it isn't, /k/ will just give you three replies accusing you of being an implessive poster
>>62834380>And, in my older post, I was asking about a prime mover to replace diesels in a non-nuke boat (rather than low-power AIP solutions). I know Spanish subs use ethanol, but they run it in modified diesels.You could use a large, high temperature stirling engine.
>>62834976Is there any such large system in R&D? I vaguely remember reading that the Swedes were looking at feasibility for the Blekinge class. To have a large Stirling instead of diesels as prime mover (but still have a smaller diesel as aux emergency). Did they continue down that path?
>>62821209I'm tired just by thinking they have to climb up a 10m ladder one by one just to get fresh air, submarines suck.
>>62834410>Hamburg Sure as hell love Africa in the cold
>>62836328If your allergies include stiff breezes and being vaguely near swarthoids, you are far too brittle to be discussing weapons or maritime affairs.
▶Alseamar BlackbirdSubmarine-launched UAV that piggybacks on signals from the company's X-SUB expendable buoys.https://alseamar-alcen.com/products/radiocommunication/x-subhttps://edrmagazine.eu/blackbird-a-submarine-deployed-uas-from-alseamar
>>628374932/2webm with sound and normal speedhttps://files.catbox.moe/2pft2n.mp4
>>62837493It seems the French did a lot of R&D into these sub-launched drones and comm buoys. I remember seeing various design concepts around 5 years ago.
>>62839160The Alseamar guys make neat and weird things. Finding the right angle on oceanography x defense/security seems like a good way to maintain your fuck-around R&D budget these days.
▶Saab Autonomous Ocean CoreSaab let people drive a CB90 around during the show. Control panel in paris, boat in sweden.Saab, Naval Newshttps://archive.is/sP6CPhttps://youtu.be/3fi0rychz3s
▶Belgium orders 3rd french CPVThe belgian navy has ordered a third coastal patrol vessel from the french shipyard Socarenam. Crew of 15. Delivery in 2027.https://beldefnews.mil.be/een-derde-patrouilleboot-om-de-maritieme-uitdagingen-aan-te-gaan/
>>62837253>vaguely Lol, you’ve never been to Hamburg it seems? 40% of the city has a migration background, with Billbrook (87,5%), Veddel (76,1%) und Billwerder (67,7%) leading in terms of people with migration background. Coincidentally those parts also have the highest amount of births and all of this is just data from 2023.
>>62839846>Hey anons, short notice of free, topical wipepo event this weekend in a place>>HERE'S A LIST OF MY HANGUPS, MY FRENEMIES, THE SEATING ARRANGEMENT-I don't careSo don't goautism as fuck
>>62839744What's with the bigass crane on the port side?
>>62830481You get both oxygen and hydrogen from electrolysis. The main problem with hydrogen (especially in submarines) is that it has extremely low density so you typically need to liquefy it (cool it to -250 C) store it in big-ass cryogenic tanks, or in heavy and probably dangerous highly pressurized tanks. And then to actually use it, you need an additional generator that runs off hydrogen. But wait, there's more: You can't burn hydrogen by itself, so you need a big-ass and definitely insanely volatile oxygen tank on your nuclear sub. And all this trouble, for what? Running the emergency generator for like an hour? If the reactor is dead, the sub is mission kill anyways. All it can do is try to survive until help arrives.
>>62840633knuckleboom crane. if I had to guess, helps with loading/unloading and coast guard rescue shit.
>>62841098>The main problem with hydrogen (especially in submarines) is that it has extremely low density so you typically need to liquefy it (cool it to -250 C) store it in big-ass cryogenic tanks, or in heavy and probably dangerous highly pressurized tanks. Hence why several navies have been funding research into AIP fuel cells that use a different primary feedstock (which is reformulated ad-hoc into hydrogen), to work around the need for cryo tanks.
>>62834730>Other than that, it's not really special and there are much newer and better missiles made even within Europe. Not sub-launched ones. It and the Harpoon are the only NATO middleweight AShMs with a sub-launched variant.
▶Diehl Defense presented the Sky Sphere interceptorAt Euronaval 2024, the German company Diehl Defense together with the Swiss Skysec presented a prototype of the Sky Sphere interceptor drone.The drone is being created jointly by Diehl and Skysec, by modifying Skysec's interceptor drone designed for civilian missions. The development is supported by the Swiss Federal Armaments Office.https://defense-update.com/20241109_sky-sphere.htmlhttps://skysec.ch
>>62844588Wait, is that a pogo drone? Wew, we've come full circle back to the old Convair concept.
>>62831952Because the decision makers don't get their info from pol you retard.
>>62845341Tailsitters have regained popularity in the past couple years. Also kinda necessary for interceptor style drones because of the need4speed.
Smash xitter's bot detection employees with hammers
▶Euronaval 2024: Thales poised to start SonoFlash production deliveries Thales is on course to begin low-rate initial production (LRIP) deliveries of its SonoFlash combined active/passive sonobuoy to France's Direction générale de l'armement (DGA) early next year, company officials have told Naval News. The French Navy will be the first to be equipped with the SonoFlash, which will be deployed aboard the upgraded ATL2 maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) and the NH90 NFH maritime helicopter.Naval Newshttps://archive.is/46vAnPicrel>At #Euronaval2024 @AirbusHeli displays VSR700 drone with @ThalesDefence Sonoflash active sonobuoys and anti-submarine depth chargers for the first time. Interesting addition to ISTAR role. https://archive.is/KGueu
▶Airbus A321 MPAStart of show:>At Euronaval 2024, Airbus Defense & Space presented its A321 model in the Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) / Patrouille Maritime (PATMAR) version. A first model with French Navy markings was presented, while the decision on the future of the current ATL-2 aircraft of the French Navy is imminent (potentially a matter of days). https://mars-attaque.blogspot.com/2024/11/euronaval-2024-a321-version-mpa-le.htmlAfter show:>Aircraft reportedly beat Dassault Falcon 10X in French Navy competition. The French Navy will replace its ageing Atlantique 2 (ATL2) turboprops with a maritime patrol variant based on the Airbus A321XLR. The information was revealed by French newspaper La Tribune, which attributed the choice to the aircraft's greater interior space and range. https://airdatanews.com/frances-new-maritime-patrol-aircraft-to-be-supplied-by-airbusVideo - jump in a couple minutes for view of the underside modificationshttps://youtu.be/QY3lEaQi_f0
>>62847377Wew, took them a while. Those Breguets are downright "venerable" tier by this point, despite overhauls. Interesting that they kept a MAD sensor. IINM the P-8 dropped it for some reason.
No work Monday. I'll blast through the rest of the interesting stuff when I get back. Keep thread alive pl0x.
>>62847377Damn and here I thought this was only going to be available in 2030+ at earliest
>>62849888Well, anon? We're waiting.
>>62833735>>62833738 Are they really offering an anti-tank missile as anti-drone solution? Isn't that cost-inefficient? Don't the frogs have a guidance kit for their aerial rockets similar to the APKWS? That would be much more economical as a step below Mistrals for anti-drone work, compared to a bloody ATGM.
>>62852102k back
>>62854652Wildly hung over from Dead Frens Feels Day
>>62837493More. Launch demo clip and marketing girl. https://youtu.be/MMZorEDFcag
▶General Atomics MQ-9B SeaGardianNot hearing anything that sounds like technical updates. French navy / air force sales next?https://youtu.be/e56I8th1xZ0
▶Naval Group: Launch of the new line of Blacksword Barracuda® submarinesAt Euronaval 2024, Naval Group unveiled the Blacksword Barracuda which is a conventional variant of the nuclear-powered (SSN) Barracuda type submarine in use with the French Navy (Suffren-class).The Blacksword Barracuda is extremely stealthy, equipped with a wide range of sensors, weapons and means of action. It is to be one of the most powerful conventional submarines in the world. Designed to be robust and resistant, it offers the means to operate far, long and in ever more demanding environments. Submarines in this class benefit from the latest developments carried out for the French SSN Barracuda programme. The conventional Barracuda has been chosen by the Netherlands.Naval Group x2, Naval Newshttps://archive.is/9k4URhttps://archive.is/J0tzRhttps://youtu.be/1C4Chl0zUc8Related: thread on the Suffren-class>>62830720
>>62855250Ah, expoanon, welcome back. Any info on whatever happened to Indret Group's fuel cell? Are they still developing it, or did they sell off the whole thing to the Indians?
>>62855269Had to pour one out for the homies on veterans day. The only post-india info that turns up is rumors about it being a likely pick for Canada's next batch of submarines. Naval Group calls it FC2G now.
▶SEATRANSPORT Micro Modular Reactor (MMR)Speaking of power: I swear to god, america, if it takes an australian company to get you to finally put fucking SMRs in your asia/pacific or arctic ships, I will beat every kangaroo to DEATH.https://youtu.be/JO-38PnpUVE
▶Exavision unveils SEAMOS-LR-10K naval optronic solutionExavision, a subsidiary of Ineo Defense, part of Equans in France, has chosen EURONAVAL 2024 to present a new member of the SEAMOS family.Equans (FR - source), Naval News (EN)https://archive.is/7J89Nhttps://equans.fr/sites/g/files/tkmtob136/files/2024-11/CP-%20SEAMOS-LR-10K_%20Wiztrust.pdfhttps://archive.is/mWRsd
>>62855303>The only post-india info that turns up is rumors about it being a likely pick for Canada's next batch of submarines. Naval Group calls it FC2G now. The leafs are out shopping around for sub options again? Guess they got tired of continuously have to refurb their Upholders/Victorias. That was a severely unlucky class of subs. >>62855310>SEATRANSPORT Micro Modular Reactor (MMR) I remember reading about naval microreactors 10 or so years ago. I think Lloyd's even created a specification category for nuclear cargo vessels. But ultimately nothing came out of it, unfortunately. Hope this time they manage to stick the landing.
▶NEWT21 Fog USVMystery item at the show.- EDR is the only original writeup so far.- EDR says the developer is latvian.- Exhibitors listed from Latvia: 0- Exhibitors listed with similar names: 0.- Unscannable QR code on poster pix.- Unreadable website link(?) below that.- No obvious website.- Umanned Systems Tech also took a pic (top).EDR, Caroline Rees on Linkedinhttps://edrmagazine.eu/latvian-newt21-unveils-its-fog-multipurpose-unmanned-surface-vesselhttps://archive.is/vjBcPThe latter is the CEO of UST's parent company, EchoBlue Media Gronp. She posted it in passing to pimp their coverage of the show. Every company except the latvian one is tagged in the photoset.Vewwy stwange seawabbits…
>>62855373>leafs12 "conventionally-powered, under-ice" submarines. https://canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2024/07/canada-launching-process-to-acquire-up-to-12-conventionally-powered-submarines>reactorsRegulation and lobbying are responsible for all the stalling.
▶On Board Kimon: Greece's First FDI FrigateNaval News toured F601 Kimon as part of a pre-show press tour. It's looking pretty good. Attaching pics here.https://archive.is/QYgzp
>>62855868Fig 1: An overview of the primary equipment located in the forward section of the FDI HN frigate of the Hellenic Navy. Please note that not all depicted systems have been fully installed, and some systems may not be shown with complete accuracy.
>>62855868Fig 2: The shield behind the funnel is another distinctive feature of the Greek FDI frigates. It was installed to protect the sensor from the funnel exhausts and to prevent interference between the SATCOM antenna, which will be positioned next to it, and the sensors of the PSIM. On the French FDI, the SATCOM antenna is located exactly above the hangar, where the RAM CIWS is on Greek FDIs. Also, note the placement (not installed in the photo) of one of the eight sensors from the L-ESM system by SAAB (NLWS), which will be part of the Greek ship's equipment.
>>62855868Fig 3: Kimon class frigates will be the first ship in the Hellenic Navy that will be equipped with a helicopter handling system as well as with integrated non-lethal weapons. Note the placement (not installed in the photo) of four of the eight sensors from the L-ESM system by SAAB (NLWS), which will be part of the Greek ship's equipment. Four will be on the mast while two will cover each side. Near the large hangar door, the Helicopter Visual Landing Aid Systems (HVLAS) of Glamox will be installed, including the HIGPI 1228 LED Glide Path Indicator.
>>62855868Fig 4: One of the two spots at the starboard side where the sensors of SAAB NLWs will be installed. Behind the mast, the exhaust doorsfor four of the eight anti-ship missiles that will be installed amidships are visible.
>>62855849>12 Yea, nah. They're lucky if they get 6. Most likely, they'll have to settle for 4 again. >Regulation and lobbying are responsible for all the stalling. Ironically, one of the strongest lobbyists against nuclear merchant shipping is/was the International Seafarers' Union. Reactor technicians would have a separate status from other shipboard crew (including limited command authority in their specific area), and they don't want that. They kinda figured out it would lead to a situation similar to the Kriegsmarine, where the boat's Leitender Ingenieur had a similar rank to (and sometimes even outranked) the skipper (albeit with greatly reduced command authority), unlike a current-day chief engineer.
>>62855868Fig 5: Infographic of the PSIM mast of Kimon Class (FDI HN) by Dimitris Mitsopoulos for Naval News.I still need to make that Naval Masts thread sometime.
▶Greece's Second FDI FrigateF602 Nearchos was floated out of drydock in September. Its PSIM integrated mast is being fitted now.Naval Group PR and launch ceremony (1 hr)https://archive.is/3ejtRhttps://youtu.be/FhdOwXKJSJE
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▶France's First FDI FrigateAmiral Ronarc'h has performed its first sea trials.https://files.catbox.moe/y1ag54.mp4
>>62855894Naval Group is heavily marketing the FDI. They will launch a long-form series about it on Nov 18. This is the trailer: https://files.catbox.moe/tl5ugg.mp4
>>62855894Misc. shots of Amiral Ronarc'h. 3/3
Mining the website for the rest of the shit now. Can you guys do us all a favor and bully the godless spammers into using the zhuhai containment thread?
▶Alseamar ExoJetA jet propulsion system for combat divers.Other information not yet online, at a glance.
>>62855938ExoJet 2/2▶The underwater villain-lair-intrusion mobile thingy:is seemingly an update of MURENE >>62839645You can get me this for se/k/ret santa btw▶The yellow and grey things:are variants of SeaExplorer. The grey one is SeaExplorer 1000-M, a "military version" of their underwater glider that includes "brand new features" and "acoustic optimisations".
>>62855938>>62855942Frankly, with all the sensors, drone stuff, and nasty anti-diver weapons that are likely to infest coastal regions in the near future, I wouldn't want to be a combat swimmer.
>>62855945You're completely right, for health & safety & the environment reasons they need to decom all such gear immediately and surplus it to me.
>>62855947Isn't a combat rebreather and personal waterjet thruster a bit excessive for catfish noodling?
Aside: Boy am I so fucking tired of hearing about this thing. It's 21 years old and still marketed like it, and we, were born yesterday.Can somebody please pay the Austrians a big enough lump sum that they'll fuck off from hogging every single tradeshow for at least, idk, 3-5 years? Appeasement will work this time, I swear.>>62855955no i need itno steppy on sea snekky
▶UnseenLabs"Exhaustive Maritime Situational Awareness" satellite constellation for france.https://unseenlabs.space
▶TechVar XLUUV and Embedded WorkshopShipping container workshop and XLUUV for the Marine Nationale.Switch website to french to avoid lipsum.https://techvar.fr
▶SeaOwl Tracus USVsSwarming for the Marine Nationale.https://seaowlgroup.com
▶Airbus SurveyCopter Aliaca/SMDM UAVsMaritime UAVs for the Marine Nationale.https://survey-copter.fr
>>62855968>Schiebel CamCopter It remains the highest-performance light helidrone on offer, beating out electric ones in terms of speed and payload. And they've re-engined it with an aerodiesel which uses kerosene (and derivatives), so ships no longer need to carry avgas (which wasn't used for anything else onboard).
>>62847377Interesting. Didn’t Germany work on this too but went with the P-8 because the German greens want the European aircraft industry to die because planes produce a huge amount of CO2 and it’s easier to blame Americans that way if you ain’t got nothing?
>>62856155Whenever Germans buy US equipment it's for lobby support reasons. Several US admins have criticized them for not spending the amount they initially claim on military equipment. Buying American allows them plausible deniability via pointing at the stuff they purchased from the US MIC. If they were to buy European, they'd have to actually spend enough to cover their commitments (which they don't want to).
>>62856077I don't dislike the product. I dislike that, as an rotary-things enjoyer, I see it constantly and have to guess about whether there's an update. It's a mature platform marketed like a new kid on the scene. General Atomics handles this well with their RPAs, to give one example. You don't see them in trade rags unless there's novelty to read about or a major sale is imminent. Granted, it could be that Schiebel thinks the economics of the small drone market require them to get their name out nonstop. It just seems gratuitous.Found out why nobody ever saw the Euronaval media site, btw. Flagged as possibly malicious. Also, these euronaval.fr links worked for me at the time but now they need www at the front or they redirect to the homepage: >>62820714
>>62849584>IINM the P-8 dropped it for some reason.AFAIK MAD were dropped because the aircraft needs to fly a lot lower making it vulnerable for future submarine born anti air missiles.
>>62856262Yes, I saw some Sea Power clips where they send planes to do a MAD sweep, and they have to fly pretty close to the surface. I guess the US military considered the maneuver too risky for such an expensive plane, regardless of potential benefit. Speaking of MAD, how well can it detect subs built out of non-magnetic steel? Would the rest of the machinery produce a strong enough magnetic field to detect? Does deperming/degaussing make MAD sensors unreliable?
>>62855898>Naval Group is heavily marketing the FDI. It's a decent bote for smol navies, especially in Greek config. Now, if only MDBA would unfuck themselves and officially offer/support multipacking options for the CAMM/ER and VL MICA NG...
▶SEFT Engineeringhttps://seft.com.tr
▶TechnicAtomeShort interview in french with supplier of nuke tech for french navy vessels.https://youtu.be/Lohb8n7bMn0Also▶TechnicAtome selects Framatome for the supply of the primary pumps for the nuclear boilers of France's new generation aircraft carrier (PA-NG)https://archive.is/RkFg4
▶France 5 segment on frogmen training dockside in Lorienthttps://youtu.be/TCmsH2qHIWshttps://france.tv/france-5/thalassa-aventures-extremes/6632123-avec-les-commandos-marine.html
>>62856224>If they were to buy European, they'd have to actually spend enough to cover their commitments (which they don't want to).But in this case it would actually be beneficial since the 321XLR is made in Germany iirc and despite their ideological fanaticism for the environment, those planes bring in money.
Based thread. Thank you.
>>62858548Thread is sorta bottlenecked by Xavier drip-feeding roughly 2 stories per day on naval news. They're the official partner media so they have more info / access than others.
>>62858286>But in this case it would actually be beneficial since the 321XLR is made in Germany Many of the boomers and xoomers holding the reins (incl and esp behind the curtains) consider any sort of military spending illegitimate. As such, it doesn't matter that buying European would strengthen the national industry. The lobbying influence acquired by buying American, in order to allow them to weasel out of legitimate criticism regarding military budgeting, is seen more useful.
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▶Helicopter visual aid landing system used as furnitureAirbus and Optonaval Announce Partnership at Euronaval 2024https://optonaval.com/news/airbus-and-optonaval-announce-partnership-at-euronaval-2024
▶Atlas SeaCatSomewhat obscure MCM auv family designed with swappable heads. British and German navy use.https://atlas-elektronik.com/solutions/mine-warfare-systems/seacat
>>62861204Speaking of naval helicopter aids, why did beartrap style systems fall out of favor?
>>62863540Have they? From a lay POV it seems like bear trap and ASSIST style are still the most popular.▶SPY-7 radar and River-class DestroyerBrief Naval News interview about spanish and canadian fleet upgrades.https://youtu.be/xOQ9quIGxzo
>>62856256>Granted, it could be that Schiebel thinks the economics of the small drone market require them to get their name out nonstop. Yep, their name needs to show up in order for people to know they're still in the game. Out of sight, out of mind.
Anything new about the RapidFire Naval?
>>62857307>TechnicAtome selects Framatome for the supply of the primary pumps for the nuclear boilers of France's new generation aircraft carrier (PA-NG) French nuclear tech company selects French producer of nuclear components for its French nuclear military project. In unrelated news, bears do apparently use forests as public toilets.
>>62866231I saw that there were announcements but it's one of several things I haven't looked closer at yet. Tomorrow (fri) I guess.
>>62825424are the italian still making ships?
>>62870412Uhh... Ever heard of the FREMM?
>>62871560no
Slide thread on something at the show:>>62870371
>>62820683Elephant in the room is combined seapower of NATO/EU is unable to make shipping safe through Red Sea, and its all for Israel with exactly zero legit Euro or American issues at stake.OK, I guess that's a pair of elephants, pretty much a "mated pair" if you will.
>>62822208▶ISL railgun (cont.)https://edrmagazine.eu/euronaval-2024-electromagnetic-railgun-technology-from-isl
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▶Israel ShipyardsOne of the handful of Israeli companies allowed to exhibit following french court's last-minute overruling of macron's ban. Similar to Eurosatory.New vessel in the Shaldag family, the Mini Shaldag. Plus OPVs and stuff.https://edrmagazine.eu/israel-shipyards-unveils-the-latest-member-of-its-shaldag-family-the-mini-shaldaghttps://files.catbox.moe/0gz677.mp4
>>62857278Is that the 500-ton minisub being built for the Turkish Navy? It seems different from the initial design sketches. This one has 6 tubes, instead of 4, and no reloads.
▶Naval Group Big Chungus XLUUVAt Euronaval 2024, the french defense procurement agency DGA was showcasing for the first time its Unmanned Combat Underwater Vehicle (UCUV) demonstrator. Designed and produced by Naval Group, this UCUV demonstrator is the first French extra large unmanned underwater vehicle (XLUUV): A submarine drone.https://youtu.be/xbZr1jHKqgI
>>62874360Haven't found out yet. They didn't label anything, at least in english-language press. These pics are all they posted. The bottom right quadrant was a post about how their stuff was on display in others' stands.
Honestly impressed by your effort, OP. You are, as they say, not a faggot
>>62847200Ahem, Elon said he got rid of all the bots
▶EuroAtlas GreysharkNew AUV from EvoLogics and EuroAtlas."Almost 100% german-built."Fuel cell is french.Rest is from "western democracies."https://files.catbox.moe/q9mlvf.mp4
>>62875730>DO NOT STEP ON
>>62875736also feat. dmytro kuleba trying to pass as a pole
>>62875730It's pointy so you know it's dangerous.
▶KNDS Narwhal and RapidFireNarwhal is 20mm. RapidFire is CT40. Rep mentions they've increased the number of targets they can engage simultaneously and they've done more operational testing, in the middle east and in portugal (REPMUS). Top row of pic is narwhal, others are rapidfire.KNDS, Army Rec, Naval Newshttps://archive.is/BY98Hhttps://files.catbox.moe/m7740a.mp4https://youtu.be/EzR4jUKoIxA
▶Exail A18-M AUVExail AUV selected for france's SLAMF MCM program (DGA). Will be modified (extended) to accommodate Thales SAMDIS 600 sonar. Order size is 8 units with option for 8 additional units.>Thales and Exail partner to deliver next-generation mine detection autonomous underwater vehicle for French Navy's SLAMF Mine Countermeasures programme https://archive.is/XEY58
I like Gen 4/4.5 displays because they have lil guy in dem
▶Imenco LOKI External Marine PTZ Cameraqthttps://imenco.no/product/loki
>>62820683>Euronaval opening ceremony
▶MBDA SIMBAD-RC 2 and 4Stashed this meager #Innovation in Deck Dudes With Arms as one of the first posts. Somehow forgot to send it. More in the morning.EDR, Naval Newshttps://archive.is/Eo5EPhttps://archive.is/osrp4
>>62878353These Mistral pedestals (Simbad, Tetral, Sadral etc.) seem obsolete now that multipurpose decoy/weapon launchers exist.
>>62877435>Neger/Marder/Hai, but without the unreliable meatbag.
So…why can’t they take these UUVs and make them into very long-range torpedoes instead of just these toys which are "flexible"? Consider how strong and dense air denial is protecting modern surface combat groups. Going back to torpedos seems like a no-brainer. If these things can go over 1,000 miles that makes them great as a primary weapon in surface warfare.
>>62855968Honestly, can anyone give me a valid use case for camcopter or skeldar other than that it needs less space than a regular naval rotary wing platform? Shorter range, slower, tiny ass radar, less flexible in weather conditions, incapable of carrying ordnance, incapable of dipping or throwing passive buoys, incapable of transporting personnel, I just don't see it. It's an expensive flying camera for a battlefield domain where visual range doesn't happen.
>>62878485They're not intended to replace regular helis. They're to supplement, instead of supplant. <=4000-ton ships can't usually carry more than one medium helicopter, due to size and weight constraints. But they generally have enough hangar space to squeeze one of these alongside it. Unlike fixed-wing drones in the same weight class, helidrones don't need ye ole seaplane catapult to launch, or ye equally ole biplane catcher net to land. And, compared to quadcopters, they have longer range (especially the diesel-powered S-100). And the Schiebel can carry weapons (2x Martlet), though obviously not the radar picket version.
>>62878445>If these things can go over 1,000 miles that makes them great as a primary weapon in surface warfare. You can't get that sort of distance underwater without either going very slowly, or using a nuclear powerplant. And either of those has its own drawbacks.
>>62875604It's a big boy
▶Aselsan GÖKDENIZ CIWS35mm airbust (ATOM). Has a FCS upgrade, I guess.
▶Aselsan GÖKSUR 100-N PDMSNew PDMS turret, VLS, and missiles from the turks. As the CEO describes it, there are three versions: standalone, inclined launcher, and VLS.Aselsan, EDR, ESDhttps://archive.is/zFWg7https://archive.is/cgpGMhttps://archive.is/O08na
>>62879975VLSr8 mai ottoman waif btw
VLS setup looks huge for what it is+additional waif
>userscript keeps crashing my goddamn browserreeeee>>62857278>>62874360>>62875621STM of the STM 500 minisub project was present with a model that looked unchanged. This thing turned out to be at aselsan's stand. It was unlabeled on the display. Exceptionally lazy google suggests the answer can be found ITT:https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/turkeys-naval-projects-discussion.38379/post-516079
▶Aselsan Mir / Marlin USVsWeird lil Sefine Shipyard botes that I never ended up posting from DIMDEX 24. Look up videos from that show for info.
Right, let's finish Aselsan.▶Aselsan BARBAROS frigate MLUI think
▶Aselsan MINI-DÜFAS towed arrayOnly the turks are goofy enough to name their defense products GOKKUN and MINI-DOOFUS. New, highlighted by Aselsan at the show. DÜFAS launched at DIMDEX 24.Xavier:>DÜFAS is equipped with the most up-to-date technology and is a depth-variable towed active/passive sonar system used primarily for the detection of silent underwater threats, including submarines, from very long distances for surface platforms. The system enables the detection and tracking of targets at long ranges. By also utilizing the continuous active sonar feature, it provides the capability for high-accuracy detection over wide areas.>In passive sonar mode, the system listens to environmental noises for the detection of threats such as torpedoes. Unlike its counterparts, DÜFAS suggests the most appropriate countermeasure tactics and ship evasion maneuvers to neutralize torpedoes launched by enemy platforms to the user. Thus, in addition to its active sonar capability, the system becomes a torpedo countermeasure system, offering a comprehensive solution.
STAMP 2, found on ukraine's new turkey-built ships. Qatar and philippines too.
Last of aselsan
Seems like king roach is going all in into being the cheapshit 1970s-azn-tier product to Europe's high-tech approach. A not-insignificant amount of equipment presented by Turkish firms appears to be industrial espionage from Euro companies (or, even worse, stuff given to the Turks under the mid-2010s "agreements").
>>62881372What are you even talking about? Most of what was shown here seems like up to date equipment, wouldnt say groundbreaking, but not obsolete either
I forgot to leave something from a less polarizing country at the bottom of the thread. Let's try this:>>62873528▶Israel Shipyards (cont.)Naval News did an interestingly frank interview with the rep about how the war has affected business. I haven't heard anything like this from Israeli MIC before. Their primes don't talk shop with outsiders like this.• 70% of Israel Shipyard's products are for export.• Foreign government response to the war and supplier relations:CAVAS>Have you had to change engines or something like that?BREIER>Uh no, til now we are happy with this situation. But we had some other systems, funny cases, that uh- I mean, simple systems: air conditioning, so on, that are restricted, all of a sudden. Why? I don't understand. But maybe I should not understand. It's better. We are trying our best not to deal with politics. We have orders to fulfill.• Day-to-day:BREIER>We are in Haifa, which is in the north part of Israel, so we are suffering from some, uh, challenges coming from the north part - rockets and so on, which we are quite protected [from] by the Iron Dome and so on. So we have decided the office ladies will work from home, where they have shelters. The others cannot take the ships home, to work from home, so they come to the shipyard as usual. And yes, once, twice a day, we have the siren on and we go to the shelter and then a few minutes later we can go back to work. It's not changing much except for the atmosphere. We are waiting for the end of all this.https://youtu.be/Dk3qWZFSb_k
▶ADSB and SIATT to Equip RABDAN FA-400 with MANSUP SSM LauncherIt's the Emirates and their "we bought your company, now give us endless attention" routine, but hey. MANSUP looks neat.>EDGE Group's naval arm, Abu Dhabi Ship Building (ADSB), signed the agreement with SIATT on the sidelines of Euronaval 2024 in Paris. EDGE Group entity ADSB […] has entered into a strategic agreement with SIATT, a Brazilian specialist in smart weapons and advanced defence systems, in which EDGE holds a 50% stake. The agreement formalises the integration of the advanced MANSUP Surface-to-Surface Missile (SSM) launcher onto ADSB's RABDAN FA-400 Fast Attack vessel, equipping it with a highly precise, long-range missile system tailored for modern naval combat.ADSBhttps://archive.is/JwERH
Best thread right now in months
>>62882219I war referring to the concept. Asian countries started out by offering 80% of the capability at 70% of the cost of Western high-tech goods, back in the 1970s. The Turks are seemingly doing the same in terms of military equipment.
>>62827720▶Naval Group MPLS (cont.)First live-first test, with Thales 70mm.Webm is source resolution.>aka lanceur modulaire polyvalent (LMP)
>>62883053Makes sense, thx anon
Several ships n things to post when I get the chance in a few hours. 4chang site maintenance hit this morning right when I was about to post. Work.
The bongs gave me food poisoning for not talking about BAE's unmanned D-Day meme soon enough. There is high-level geopolitical intrigue afoot.(vamping bump)
>>62882833>MANSUP-ER Lame pun is lame.
>>62883073Is that supposed to be an APKWS equivalent for anti-drone defense? I can't see regular dumbfire FFARs having any effective naval use.
▶BAE Herne XLAUVThe XLUUV / XLAUV with a thousand faces continues to shapeshift.>Bae Systems HERNE uncrewed submarine demonstrator starts its UK waters trials in the new week. Provides some competition for CETUS, the demonstrator being built by MSubs for the Royal Navy. The sub, by Canada's CELLULA, did basic trials in Canadian watersGabriele Molinelli, Janeshttps://archive.is/ohQZlhttps://archive.is/yhgei
Molinelli cont.>More photos that were posted earlier this year from CELLULA-BAE work in Canada. The propulsion arrangement visible in this and what BAE shows at Euronaval is remarkably different but i believe (i might be wrong, though) that this same boat is the one that came to the UK.
Display model stilll looks like DSEI 2023
>>62890084I think it was just babby's first static fire test with a third party's ammo. Thales is trying to eat the european guided 70mm market.
>>62890251Thales own both Forges de Zeebrugge (which make 70 mm rockets) and the old Thomson-Matra works (which, in turn, acquired Societe Edgar Brandt, maker of 68 mm rockets). So they cover both sides, though 68 mm rockets are pretty rare nowadays.
>the unreal spam tempoI'm posting about naval warfare for as long as I like, my dudes.
>>62890298I'm a bit curious as to why they're supporting 68mm on new platforms, apart from the obvious things like belgian hell politics and jerbs.
>>62892501I guess for existing operators? Going for 68 mm instead of 70 doesn't make much sense for anybody looking to buy new (wider selection of 70 mm warheads/fuzes/seeker heads), but people who already use them might not want to switch (yet).
Jetlag and the scourge of bri'ish cooking are mostly behind me. Let's get back to it.▶ISL railgun (cont.)>>62822208The japanese have a program update (technical) that will become available online around the first or second week of December. I'll post it if I have time, as part of their R&D conference set.>>62873423Not entirely obvious from this tight crop is that the gun is mounted on the most abstract kind of bote feel you'll see in a while. It's basically a brick.
▶FDI (cont.)>>62855898>Naval Group is heavily marketing the FDI.>They will launch a long-form series about it on Nov 18.First part is out. French with english subs.https://youtu.be/j5IE16s5sek
More of the FDI model
I watched the Finicantieri CEO interview on the pitifully-small viewed YouTube channel for this expo: https://youtu.be/Pk62pjybMa0He had an interesting view about Asian vs Western shipbuilding…when the cost of the ship is 80% the hull (steel, power, labor etc) then Asian shipbuilders lead. When 80% of the cost is what’s being carried inside rage ship’s hull, or “payload” of the ship (technology, systems / equipment etc) then Western shipbuilders lead. Mass-produced cookie-cutter ships are made in Asia, but special-purpose / advanced ship construction tends to stay in the West.
>>62894763>the pitifully-small viewed YouTube channelI haven't gotten to them yet because they did something really screwy with the show's multimedia. 'Euronaval TV' was supposed to be on the main website but it wasn't, meanwhile certain things were only on linkedin. Some is still trickling onto youtube.Likewise, one of the show dailies (4 days, 4 dailies) was only in french and they didn't correctly link it anywhere. I had to guess the URL to find it.
>>62894763>Mass-produced cookie-cutter ships are made in Asia, but special-purpose / advanced ship construction tends to stay in the West.That's probably a good segue into what I was about to post next, namely the class that seems to be failing because it is all about being built locally by asian MICs, who seem perpetually either to lack core competencies that they didn't anticipate or who are at loggerheads with the french over contract details.The emirates got 2x in 2 years because they don't ever presume to indigenize miltech, only acqui-hire it and source the grunt work locally where they can get away with it.▶Gowind CorvetteFor reasons unknown to me, Naval Group brought the Gowind corvette along and chose it as one of the highlights in their main media materials. I say "for reasons unknown to me" because there has been a lot of stink attached to delivery issues with this class, and I didn't come across anything new being showcased. Maybe some more orders are on the horizon.Naval Group - Euronaval PRhttps://archive.is/fcvkbNaval Group - UAE shiphttps://youtu.be/xI3bGoD594U
>>62894786>Maybe some more orders are on the horizon.Here's my answer, I think:>The French Navy favors the Naval Group corvette Gowind to replace the 6 Floréal frigateshttps://meta-defense.fr/en/2024/05/17/corvette-gowind-floreal-marine-national/And here's context for the Malaysia mess:https://flight.com.gr/gowind-shipbuilding-neverending-problemshttps://usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2023/november/gowind-class-surface-ships-french-innovation-tackles-export
>>62895568Refreshing /k/ to more and more threads like these lately gives me the impression that exposing anons to decent-quality milblogs is not actually making threads any smarter.I don't wanna crunch the numbers on the % of webms that originally came from me, either.
▶Tekever AR3 and AR5Tekever have begun to mention hoholian exploits in their marketing. Nobody works with all the UAV suppliers at any level of the war, of course, but I've had a better time with them and their gear than several direct counterparts. No major complaints, especially for the $ (not high). Only thing that's a little bit lol is the rep trying to claim that the AR3 is responsible for a "large percentage" of the long-range ISR missions in ukraine.Related: Tekever at REPMUS>>62820592vid 1https://files.catbox.moe/ya8rs9.mp4
vid 2https://files.catbox.moe/p2o270.mp4
Zis... ceci n'est pas une guerre...
>>62896731Hey thats our defense minister, from portugal
All the bongs around me can't shut up about it, so let's cram this into one post and never speak of it again.▶UK makes sweeping defense cuts, doing away with several warships, scores of helicopters and drones >The surprising move [sic], announced in parliament today by UK defense chief John Healey, will generate savings of £500 million over the next five years, he said, and get rid of "outdated capabilities." But it also drew immediate criticism from opposition party lawmakers.● OverviewBreaking Defense, UK Defence Journalhttps://archive.is/ayX9Nhttps://archive.is/uGgrk● Death Toll- 05 × ships- 31 × helicopters- 46 × ISTAR drones● holy fACK m8, what is all this bollox? tldr?- Regrettable cuts to rotary aviation- Regrettable cuts to maintenance and aux fleet- Make-work cuts to landing ships with no net ± utility- Good cuts to a dead-on-arrival meme drone
● Victims at Sea— Amphibious Assault Ships. HMS Albion (L14) and HMS Bulwark (L15). To be retired almost a decade earlier than planned. Describing the vessels as "effectively mothballed," Healey revealed that they have not been operational since 2017 and 2023, respectively. [ed: End of the Albion-class LPD. Class of two.]— Frigate. HMS Northumberland (F238), Type 26. To be scrapped in March 2025 due to structural damage.— Oilers. RFA Wave Knight (A389) and RFA Wave Ruler (A390), Wave-class. To be retired by March 2025. The vessels have not been operational since 2017 and 2022, respectively. Govt claims their roles will be filled by Tide-class.● Victims by Air— Drones. Watchkeeper Mk 1 drones, introduced in 2010, are to be retired by March 2025. Healey cited rapid advancements in drone technology and operational lessons from Ukraine's war as key reasons for the decision. [ed: The actual reason for this situation can be found here: https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62714622/#q62715725. In brief, they didn't upgrade their obviously useless JCGUAV '09 class II UAV despite ample opportunity.]— Helicopters. Chinook HC6A. The 14 oldest Chinooks in the fleet are to be retired by March 2025. They will be replaced 1:1 by H-47(ER) variants starting 2027.— Helicopters. Puma HC2. The fleet of 17 is to be retired by March 2025. A "small number" of Airbus H145 helicopters will begin to offset the losses starting 2026. [ed: I don't know how many H145 are earmarked to backfill these losses without looking closer than I can be fucked right now. No more than 6, seems like.]
>>62897217I hate to break it to mister defense minister, but Henrique is the one whose face I'll remember. He just has those hunter eyes, you know? The kind that say, I'm gonna sink your Yasen, boris~~That INTJ stare. That look of pure depth charging
>>62895179>The French Navy favors the Naval Group corvette Gowind to replace the 6 Floréal frigates Yea, that would work. They need something bigger than the small avisos they've been putting out as Tahitian patrol vessels.
>>62894720>Railgun programme update in decIt's going in my calendar anon, fucking bang up job with the thread nice cock
>>62897764Last year the slides and recordings came out on December 5, but the conference was also a week earlier in November. We'll see. I made the mistake of forgetting that the japanese will never be rushed in posting and translating their work product once already this year, so I'll wait it out. (I made a thread on the Japan Defense Whitepaper that died looooong before they published the english version.)>bang up job with the threadThank. Not sure tho - I'm trying to understand things before I post them but between work and the sheer unprecedented amount of new stuff this year, there's far too much to look into. Might be best to just poast.
>>62897857I get waiting on the proper translation yeah. for this thread i think just put that shit in the tube and fire it yeah, ive just been skimming for stuff im interested in and then drilling down more or saving it
>>62896718Tekever just got a load of VC cash: https://tech.eu/2024/11/20/tekever-raises-eur70m-for-unmanned-aerial-systems-development/They are getting funds from the NATO VC fund and from the guys who backed SpaceX, among others. Got a bunch from the EU too.
>>62897474He's a kike btw
spaniards displeased with expo aesthetics; threatening to workhttps://twitter.com/manu_golla/status/1854849199788921132
>>62856025▶SeaOwl (cont.)Naval News blurbed 'emhttps://archive.is/pL8XmArticle says the top two are named SEAORCA and SEAHORNET. Bottom is TRACUS. NN is the only hit right now for "seaowl seaorca"I rummaged around their linkedin for some context. Their main website, youtube, twitter, etc. are all less actively updated. Posting everything useful.
Teaser clip 1/2 showing the new USVshttps://files.catbox.moe/vkag68.mp4
Teaser clip 2/2 showing the new USVshttps://files.catbox.moe/8yvnpj.mp4
Main promo video about the use of TRACUS for the french navy's counter-USV training. https://files.catbox.moe/qhqhbj.mp4
Linkedin shitpics of circumstantially relevant info
▶SeaOwl × Sirehna InSPEARInSPEAR = Innovative Nautical Safety & Protection by Enhanced Autonomous ReconInSPEAR is a 10-meter-long and 3-meter-wide vessel that can reach 40 knots. It looks like SeaOwl is the fleet operator for french naval training (i.e. they buy the hull from Sirehna, modify with one-off mission profile, handle the navy-facing shit during exercises).
Lastly: an unhighlighted program with the emirates to build autonomous landing craft.https://youtu.be/ysdRQDvkH3M
>>62900983What's that six-engined flying bote peeking in the bottom left?
▶MBDA × Fly-R to build R2-120 RAIJIN Loitering Munition>A successful bet for Fly-R. Presented at the last SOFINS show, the remote-controlled munition (MTO), with its unique look, is now taking shape through a partnership with MBDA made official last week at the Euronaval show.>This is the story of the successful merger between a giant with an annual turnover of €4.5 billion and an innovative SME from Reunion Island whose rhomboid wing technology won an award at the SOFINS trade fair. An unsuccessful candidate for the LARINAE and COLIBRI calls for projects from the Defense Innovation Agency, Fly-R was sufficiently noticed to catch the eye of MBDA, which was keen to position itself in a fast-growing MTO segment. From this alliance was born the R2-120 RAIJIN.Forces Operations Blog [fr]https://archive.is/89wtM
Video from the product page. I didn't notice that it starts on a black frame (I always prevent this). I will not be fixing this.https://files.catbox.moe/10qxnv.mp4https://flyr-uas.com/en/r2-120-raijin
Animation of launch from an unprepared tube "without pyrotechnics," I suppose.https://files.catbox.moe/19dx50.mp4
Brochure.
