The UNSC really spent billions per Spartan to equip them with augmentations, advanced power armor, energy shields, and then handed them the same 308 guns they give to every grunt. Why didn't they give them their own assault rifles?
>>62833708so they can pull mags off dead bodies and pick up ammo at supply drops everywhere just like everywhere else. And so they have something to give the Marine they just yoink'd a Splaser from
>>62833708>a couple billion for a civilisation spanning a near galactic scaleeven while at war getting the money for mjolnir absolutely wouldn't have been any issue, even if we don't consider ONI can just 'take' the resources needed.
>>62833714Spartans have the strength and mass to handle 12.7mm no problem, no shortage of that on the battlefield.
>>62833728but they do handle 12.7mm guns on the battlefield all the time, in fact they use pretty much anything they feel like at the time. Not really standardized "you have to use the 308 assault rifle or else" that's just what they spawn with
>>62833708They have whole weapon systems designed for them, like the laser and that railgun from the books. Considering the size of the grip, its possible the pistol is designed to accommodate Spartans. Beyond that, there's not really much benefit in in making some special assault rifle that only they can use and has its own logistical train, if they have their own weapons it should be something that capitalizes on spartan strength and their SOF role, hence the aforementioned laser and railgun.
They could have just built robots to do the same thing cheaper and betterthey tortured children just so someone could get a space yacht
>>62833782Counterpoint would be the prevalence of Elites and how many bullets from said 308 caliber ARs it takes to just break their shields. Wouldn't it make much more sense to hand Spartans weapons that have much higher kinetic energy but are also not purpose built to some niche like the examples you offered.
>>62833708>what is a Spartan laser
>>62833708i like killing elites and taking their swords
>>62833708The bulk of the cost isn't even in the SPARTAN themself, but the suit. They exist to be the most qualified pilot of the Mjolnir armor.
>>62833715The UNSC is only a few worlds in the Orion arm
>>62833943>800 permanent settlements across the galaxyagain, a couple billion wouldn't be hard to come by at all for the government
>>62833708Because the guns were actually designed for the player (AKA spartan) first. Every UNSC gun is, in fact, a spartan gun.
Can't believe DARPA lost the contract to those bozos when they had the superior suit
>>62833782There were like two dozen spartans in the books when i was a kid. They dont make ceremonial sniper pistols for spartans and navy fags. I was 12 and halo was friggin cool. Now its bot threads and nigger posts
The Spartan program was initiated to fight again insurgent human forces, not 8 foot tall shielded aliens.
Why dont they just use captured covenant plasma rifles?
>>62833708They literally stated that everything was designed around the weight and size of a full armored SPARTAN IIAlso SPARTAN II are bitches
>>62836789They do but unsc don't know how to recharge them so keeping a stock on hand isn't very viable. Also there's implications and some book stuff, if you count it, that the plasma weapons are literally bic lighter disposable. They'll last a long while at least long enough for a mission in lore then they'll just get a new one from a weapon crate whenever they need. That's why you always see those big purple boxes in any place they intend to sit for longer than a cool minute.
>>62833708I don't even get why they need that power armor or energy shields. Those ODST guys didn't need that, they didn't even get hurt by bullets, getting hit just tired them out a little.
>>62836789Those give you super cancer.The super cancer makes you unappetizing to the flood but still.
>>62836867the whole plasma cancer thing was just an in universe cover up for Johnson since they didn't want it to be known their was a proto spartan project just yet
>>62834378>They dont make ceremonial sniper pistols for spartans and navy fags.??? I meant the magnum, in CE its huge and makes the ship crew carrying them look like children. Theres no real reason to do that, but it incidentally makes it fit a spartans hands.
>>62833728Are you implying that if the sniper rifle had the same ROF as the assault rifle you wouldn't run out of ammo?
>>62833715And they didn't even keep the armor program up really, since 3's outside of very specific units didn't even have it. Considering there were only 75 Spartan II's I'd wonder if the total amount of mjolnir suits even made it into the 200's.
>>62833889I kind of wonder why the UNSC wasn't putting tons of money into more anti-shield weapons. Like sure covie weapons are a mess in terms of tech but you'd think there would be more of an effort.
>>62833708
>>62834383It does raise the question of why the bothered going through all that effort in the first place when regular run of the mill SOF types can do glownigger COIN stuff well enough without all the fancy augmentation and genetic engineering. Sure they aren't bullet proof but so fucking what?
>>62837220Essentially the issue they were finding were the insurrectionists were becoming too well equipped to deal with and it coincided with newer discoveries making the possibility of enhanced humans more viable(they had already tried this in the past). They wanted something that would be able to deal with the problem.
>>62837236Did the unsc consider maybe not being tyrannical assholes? Maybe try that before the whole kidnapping children and brainwashing them to kill their parents thing.
>>62833708Why mess with perfection? Also, .308/7.62 ain't an assault raifu.
>>62833708>why didn't the UNSC needlessly complicate their logistics chains in a existential defensive war?because they wanted to win, dumbass
>>62836957God I hate the SPI aesthetic. Fuck those helmets
If I remember correctly than the Spartan IV armor designation is far cheaper to produce which would be in line for how expedient they are able to create Spartan IVs. Spartan III's were rarely equipped with Mjolnir armor, and seemingly were just equipped with beta versions for testing. Also a shame that IIIs were scene as disposable since I find their origin much more interesting than the mellow drama of IIs, and the boyscout like IVs
>>62837252Did the Innies consider not nuking civilian space stations and capital cities?
>>62837642Seen* Also by beta testing Mjolnir armor, I meant when certain units would be equipped with it.
>>62837646You must love the taste of ONI slop if you believe that lie.
>>62837642Spartan-IIIs are also my favorite of the UNSCs elite units. ODSTs are a bit too vanilla, while IIs just seem absurd when it comes to cost-to-performance ratio (ignoring one being canonically jesus), and IVs reek of marvel capeshit.
>>62837685I definitely feel like it cheapens the experience due to just about anyone being able to get augmented into a Spartan IV. Also maybe I'm wrong but isn't Jun the only remaining Spartan III?
>>62833708The UNSC would have gotten more of its money’s worth by taking large numbers of Grunts alive as prisoners, introducing them to the teachings of Karl Marx, and having ONI covertly release them back into High Charity to start fomenting revolution against the Hierarchs. The Covenant are EXACTLY the kind of culturally stagnant and rigid society you could easily undermine with that brain poison.
>>62837642how were IIIs made again?
>>62837763Orphan children recovered from glassed worlds, who naturally have a strong disdain for xenos.
>>62837729Did he survive Reach? My memory of the ending is hazy, but I thought all of Nobel team + all other assorted spartans on planet died.
>>62837827The game Doesn't have anything relating to him after he fucks off. There is a book about him after reach but basically he gets promoted to a Spartan IV recruiter and tells people they'll be juuuust like Master Chief if they take the steroids without asking too many questions.
>>62837746Anon, grunts have zero social standing in Covenant society. None. It's like trying to teach dogs Marxism thinking they'll brainwash their owners. Although we care about dogs so perhaps chickens instead?
>>62836867>>62836895TLDR: in the halo universe, cancer is literally a nothing burger. Pretty sure halo evolutions revealed this fact.
>>62833708Basically every time we saw a spartan they were armed with specialized equipment, or were making to with what they had in an emergency. >>62836834Everything bad about Halo 4,5,6 is visible and festering in Reach, reachfags just want to pretend otherwise.
>>62837646>>62837236Reminder that Master Chief is an Innie.
>>62833708The UNSC and ONI are retarded. If you ever think about the lore for more than five seconds you realize they're shit eating, fuckass retards. They are so goddamn retarded an acephalic child missing anything more complex than a brain stem will take one look at them and say, " Christ, what a pack of retards."
>>62838204>massive centralized governments and three letter agencies are retardedSo it's realistic then.
>>62837586kill yourself
>>62833708bump
>>62833708One thing most people here also fail to mention is that Spartan it's were also made for colony suppression. They did some cloak and dagger shit crushing rebellions in secret, and it's easier for some quiet plausible deniability if you don't have some giant fuckhuge gun leaving evidence of foul play.
>>62833728Comes down to how much ammo you can carry. Also some Spartans did deploy with 12.7, Spartan Jorge for example
>>62833728yet they can do, however a .50cal turret doesnt have the same ease of movement or ease to carry in a warthog passenger seat
>>62837965Try curing cancer in the middle of a battlefield when the city with the facilities to do so is a whole system away and you need to hold the position for a week. You have soldiers in modern wars dying from diseases we've already solved due to logistical issues all the time.
>>62837642although ruined by terrible 343 writing and worldbuilding, every spartan program is iteratively better than the last, although IIIs focused on disposability the augmentations were way more refined and had very low fatalities compared to II's, Spartan IVs post war had THE best new gen Mjolnir suits and a fancy supercarrier to base out of with lots of (dubiously powercreeped) forerunner and magik tech- they were veterans of the Marines or other specops branches so while they werent trained from birth and maybe had less extreme augmentations as they were adults, they still were the apex of human might numbering in the 1000+ rather than the few hundred of all prior generations combined...then 343 made them terrible characters, ruined them for everyone and then killed 90% of them off, maybe halo 7 will be good guys keep up the belief!
>>62833708their primary role was nuclear sabotage of covenant ships, factories, and refueling stations
>>62833708So in the end, were the super soldiers cheaper than building new supply bases and infrastructure to make better guns for everyone?
>>62833708So they'd get stomped by the covenant. Elites had something like 3:1 k/d ratio against Spartans.
>>62833708they were planning on just using them to crush an insurrection. better that the Spartans don't leave a bunch of hyper-unique weapon cases laying around afterwards. they got fucking lucky that the project finished up right when the covenant showed up.
>>62840677A marginal improvement in guns for everyone wouldn’t have bridged the tech gap. The SPARTAN super soldier wunderwaffe actually canonically ended the war.
>>62837236Don't forget that Halo 4 makes it so all of human development was ACTUALLY genetically encoded by the Librarian who somehow made it so that over thousands of years, the Master Chief would be born with genetics that could be made to resist the Composer. I think basically even the Mjolnir armor was imprinted as part of the plan.
>>62840729That's absolute bullshit. Spartans fuck ok everything in the Covenant.
>>62840677>>62837236>>62841085>>62840199The military purpose of Spartans was to be a slave army of robotic psychopaths who would murder the parents they were stolen from. They just wanted an army of little boys and girls that they tortured for ten years then forced to kill their own people. That is the canonical sum total of it.Halsey, on the other hand, saw them as a kind of master race and wanted to eventually kill the rest of humanity, not just the enemies of the state, and replace them all with her beautiful magical statue-people. In her fantasy presumably she's left alive and allowed to sit on a bench and watch them have sex or whatever, like a disturbing version of the alternate ending of Terminator 2.ONI ACCIDENTALLY despite their best efforts created a race of superheroes who are kind and compassionate, if somewhat retarded. They have spent the rest of Halo history trying to reverse this mistake, the Spartan IIIs were selected for aggression, and the spartan fours were selected for stupidity- I mean loyalty, but so far their dreams of a race of Adam Smashers have fallen flat.The closest they got to what they originally wanted is Spartan Locke, who was happy to kill good people and betray anyone for zero justification, and actually prided himself on not requiring a justification to kill the heroes of the galaxy. But he was in every sense of the word a glownigger.
>>62840729That is mathematically impossible. There are less than a thousand Spartans, there are billions of Sangheili.
>>62842016Turbo gay if true. I miss when the Forerunner's had an element of mystic about them, and humans were just another race amongst countless others vying for their place in the galaxy.
>>62842316>Halsey, on the other hand, saw them as a kind of master race and wanted to eventually kill the rest of humanity, not just the enemies of the state, and replace them all with her beautiful magical statue-people. In her fantasy presumably she's left alive and allowed to sit on a bench and watch them have sex or whatever, like a disturbing version of the alternate ending of Terminator 2.Halsey would flash clone herself repeatedly so she could have sex with her greek god children herself. The choice to give a sexy naked model of her younger self to her favorite spartan reveals this desire.
>>62833708Original Spartan IIs probably cost hundreds of billions, or even up to a trillion each. Why give them their own line of weaponry that would just be a logistical nightmare
>>62833715The UNSC empire barely spanned a fraction of one arm of the galaxy. Covenant controlled space wasn't a whole lot bigger, they just happened to be nearby when they discovered humanity>>62833889Canonically, the 7.62 NATO used by the MA5 series of rifles can punch through an elite Minor's shield with only 3 rounds. A Spartan II's shield likewise can barely absorb a hand full of impacts from a plasma rifle before being depleted, and a near miss with an overcharged plasma pistol can nearly completely drain it, whereas a direct hit will completely drain the shield and do significant damage to the underlying armor.
>>62842403>Canonically, the 7.62 NATO used by the MA5 series of rifles can punch through an elite Minor's shield with only 3 roundsWe had Halo threads on this board before you were old enough to convince your mommy to buy you an M rated game faggot, this isn't some youtube comment section where you can pass off your lies.
>>62842403>The UNSC empire barely spanned a fraction of one arm of the galaxy. Covenant controlled space wasn't a whole lot bigger, they just happened to be nearby when they discovered humanityThe covenant outclassed humanity in every single way, including size.>Canonically, the 7.62 NATO used by the MA5 series of rifles can punch through an elite Minor's shield with only 3 roundsBlatant lies.
>>62842420>>62842412He's just pushing that old "tiny halo" interpretation, I've seen it a thousand times over the years, the proponents of it crop up every now and then to see if they can gaslight people who don't know any better into believing it then spreading the misinformation that halo was "always this way". The fact is that the size of the playing field and the statistics of the equipment in halo vary by like a factor of 100, not exaggerating, depending on portrayals.That shouldn't surprise anyone because that's basically how all sci fi works.
>>62840032Halo evolutions literally did just that lol. One story has a dude getting treated to remove the cancer and was knocking heads after treatment. https://youtu.be/DGKHI7YaESY?feature=shared
>>62842452The lore is all over the place. In the books there are examples of an elite with full shields being taken down by a 3 round burst and in other examples they can tank 4 rounds of 14.5mm.
>>62842485In a comic an Elite had his head shot straight through by a 45 long colt antique, and in a book an elite took ten rounds of .308 AP to his naked back and they didn't even punch through the other side of him.In one of the comics it confirms that Halo Frag grenades really can launch trucks a hundred feet in the air. It's a crucial plot point. Sci fi "power levels" are always just made up lol.
>>62842915Pistols in Halo are just better.
>>62833708What bothers me more is that 7.62x51 is still in military use period in a setting ~500 years from today. At least lore it so the guns have magnetic accelerators in them or something so the gun is the big advancement instead of basically a run of the mill rifle with better recoil and an ammo counter.Imagine a rifle designed to boost anything it shoots to 4k-5k feet per second. The cartridge isn't really the important bit anymore if the gun itself helps crank the velocity. At that point using a proper cartridge would just be a redundancy just in case the accelerators fail and you still need to shoot a motherfucker.Standardization is good because as others have said ammo is all over the place. If spartans are using some fancy 30mm cannon nobody else carries and they run out of ammo that'd fucking suck. You could pick up a rifle off a dead guy but shouldn't the goal be no dead guys to scavenge from?
>>62843063Aren't those magnetic accelerator guns only for vehicle or ship mounted applications?
>>62833934And yet the suit isn't even all that special until the Mark V introduced shielding and AI support. It makes them stronger and lets them take a beating, but frankly the fact that it'd kill regular folk to wear is a sign of just plain bad design.
>>62843063I don't really see the issue. Everything in Halo has some huge caliber for its role, so it makes sense that one of the only surviving contemporary rounds is a full rifle round being used in assault rifles. Plus there's nothing to indicate that its regular M80, there could be all sorts of futuristic shit under the hood.
>>62833728Jorge literally did?
>>62836929No, he's implying you could hand an M2 Browning to a Spartan and they could use that just fine as an assault rifle.
>>62843063There is the M99 Stanchion which shoots a 5.4mm round at 15,000 metres per second. Never appeared in the games though.
>>62842364Halo 4 Cortana is simultaneously the hottest and most annoying iteration
>>62843343IIRC from my lorefag days it's considerably faster than the current day round and the round itself is made from some future alloy or whatever.
>>62833708Y'all heathens need Great Journey
>>62843812Transcend yourself.
>>62833708>Gaylo
>>62843063Tyrannical hyper centralist regimes always under arm their policing forces so those very weapons aren't turned against them to any great effect.The "Marines" aren't like the American Military, they're like the police in China armed with .38 specials.During the war they tried to upgrade to the BR, which canonically fired a much bigger round much faster, hole-in-hole burst fire accuracy out to 900 paces, magic sci fi recoil dampening, hitting like an anti material rifle with every shot. But it's kind of completely impossible to quickly rearm an interstellar military while you're getting your asshole completely reamed by an alien armada 1000 times your size.
>>62844504I thought they were more like UN peacekeepers and their main justification for their militarization pre-Covie was that they were fighting political instability and insurrection.
>>62844745Insurrectionists had their own space fleets so it's a bit of a leap to call it simple 'political instability', but yeah that's what they did they existed to keep the poors in line.
An actual good Halo thread on the site.
>>62833708Everything is a weapon to the spartan. Their fists, their forehead, their feet, dead enemies, solid objects lying around, turrets off vehicles, and all the weapons of their enemies.
>>62844745>UN peacekeepers>not tyrannical antichrist golemsDo you know where you are right now?
>>62833708>killed 1 billion people>forgivenWhat does this say about you, HFY Bros and especially UNSC fan boys?
>>62842316good post
>>62848388>ALLOWED the last 200 million humans in existence to survive in a protected reservation in the 100% Sangheili dominated Galaxy and asked nothing in returnHow about a little fucking gratitude, monkey?
>>62842316>The closest they got to what they originally wanted is Spartan Locke, who was happy to kill good people and betray anyone for zero justification, and actually prided himself on not requiring a justification to kill the heroes of the galaxy. But he was in every sense of the word a glownigger.Noble 6 was basically this for a time as well, literally just the guy that one ONI director would use to make insurrectionist groups go away.
>>62848388Let's not pretend humanity was in any bargaining position, especially while Rtas "Always shoot down glowies" 'Vadum was hovering above Earth.
>>62848977>Vaporizes Africa for youHow about a little fucking gratitude?
>>62842316I don’t care about any lore that wasn’t directly and explicitly mentioned in the Halo 1-3 games. Blood Gulch as a major conflict is more canonical than anything you posted.
>>62848977This guy goes so fucking hardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrEVLTT16Ek
>>62849066>the Space alphabet agency controlling planets with slave armies CANT BE BAD!!!!!Lol illiterate bootlicker fag.
>>62848388>>62848977Isn't ONI running constant Psyops on the Sangheili home world to perpetuate the ongoing civil war, and destabilize them? >>62849174With how shafted the Sangheili became in the Covenant hierarchy that they would turn and ally with humanity. >>62849521Learn sarcasm
>>62850235>Isn't ONI running constant Psyops on the Sangheili home world to perpetuate the ongoing civil war, and destabilize them?Yes ONI is awkwardly attempting to start a war between humans and the one and only significant naval force in the galaxy, who could vaporize all life on the earth within ten hours of war breaking out, because they cant cope with the fact that they lost the war and pissed away their own political power with the surviving humans.
>>62833708>Has high health>High armor>High shields>High damage >Equipped with end game powerful upper tier weapons as standard load out>One pic relateds weapons has stunlock effect that high damages you and stunlocks your allies*Worts smugly*
if you want to make a 343 nigger mad tell them that spartans are cyborgs. they will go ballistic lol
>>62850517don’t forget>throws blue fastballs without warning>cheats and fires the weapon way faster than you can
>>62850600Why would they get mad? Aren't IVs even more borged than the previous generations with entire artificial organs and shit implanted?
>>62850235>Isn't ONI running constant Psyops on the Sangheili home world to perpetuate the ongoing civil war, and destabilize them?They are trying to prop up various elite factions but it frankly isn't fucking working.The swords are pretty powerful on their own and the UNSC as a whole does not know what tf ONI is doing so they often end up helping them or destroying their enemies.
>>62842316343 canon is so fucking retarded Anything not in or directly related to the first 6 games and 7 novels is stupid fan fiction
>>62850600The cybernetics are so they wouldn't get crushed by their own suits.
>>62842316>Halsey, on the other hand, saw them as a kind of master race and wanted to eventually kill the rest of humanity, not just the enemies of the state, and replace them all with her beautiful magical statue-people.Based Halsey fulfilling the National Socialist dream 600 years after the collapse of Nazi Germany
Inflation, those billions mean little.
>>62842403>EmpireCalling it that is a stretch. At best, they're a confederacy of states which the Covies more or less forced to cooperate at pain of humanity's extinction.
>>628483881 billion? add an extra 0
>>62833708This is what I'd give them, a 12.7mm caseless ETC machine gun, think the sniper rifle but with AR ROF.
>>62837646>believes that the insurrection would use nuclear weapons (that they somehow got) on their own soilONI plz.
>>628520051 billi0on?1.0 billion?0 added to 1 billion equals 1 billion?Instructions unclear, please restate the command.
>>62840729>3:1>not 30,000:1Multi-player ISNT canon.
>>62848937>200 million humansWhen did this happen? Only 200 million?
>>62842412>hasn't read the booksOooooooof
>>62843063>>62844504>using 7.62x51mm in da future Jerry Pournelle's Codominium series explains this perfectly, the evil spess empire wants complete hegemony over lethal force and in the books the CoDo Marines/Army use a rifle that wouldn't even turn heads in the 50's. But their material science and starship weapons were absolutely fucking terrifying.
>>62848977>shipmaster you glassed half the human continent of "Africa" to stop the flood!>I said "parasite" not flood
>>62852500Their imagination, the only references are either the beastiraium which places the total at 750m but that source blatantly contradicts things written by Joseph Staten or a few billion between Sol and whatever extra Solar colonies still existed combined for Eric Nylund’s works
>>62850235>Isn't ONI running constant Psyops on the Sangheili home world to perpetuate the ongoing civil war, and destabilize them?Yes, this is why Rtas has a policy to shoot down any ONI ships his fleet sees, since it breaks no treaties since ONI will deny the ship was there.
>>62852805Humans are a mad max race on a reservation and it'll never not be cannon.
Bump
bumptards stay losing. it's fucking 7am for real people the thread will be slow
>>62852505In the books Elites do shit like stop AR rounds with their fucking back muscles and stomp on people so hard they split in half.
>>62852805Yeah there were always colonies left untouched by the war. Earth was barely touched, just losing africa (nothing of value was lost). I'd imagine like 20 ish billion left practically, assuming earth has a realistic populations. Sadly you have that weird stuff where Reach has the population of America and a few other countries combined which makes no sense.
>>62843063I thought about doing a youtube channel about sci fi guns and I wrote a big thing on justifying the UNSC's choice of .308 500 years in the future. I basically came to the conclusion that it was insanely cheap damage to weight ratio, assuming it's a spicier 308. Some kind of min-maxed 308 bullet coming out of the 24 inch barrel of the MA5 is probably pretty substantial, while using basic regularly available minerals. I'd also imagine barrel tech has advanced a bunch in 500 years, so maybe every barrel has like a 50k lifespan firing plane jane .308. So this means far fewer replacement parts taking up space on your ships that take months to travel across slip space. The idea being that you ship the rifle out, you ship mags, ammo, and replacement springs and the gun is good to run on its own for months or years, reducing the UNSC's starship logistical system. So with recoil compensation and maybe mankind evolving back into the Forerunners, the average human is stronger than they are now so .308's recoil isn't so bad. So my head cannon is that it's a logistical choice that is acceptable in combat but not ideal. It has to be super cheap to make as well, super basic ammo counter screen a retard could comprehend, integrated combat light already on the gun, and a computer that automatically sends the targeting info to off-site equipment, meaning no optic is necessary. Then rifles like the BR or DMR are better but more costly. Of course, the DMR being chambered in .308 as well is a huge oversight in the lore that throws this off but it is what it is.
>>62859340I always assumed that targeting data was automated and all of the important information life target identification, windage, and elevation were displayed in the visor that each marine / soldier seemed to be equipped with. So it basically acts as a "smart" gun in a way, not necessarily aiming for you but telling you exactly where you should be firing. This probably also helps in controlling the population as any innie that captures an MA5 will be shit out of luck without a targeting visor, making them far less effective in combat unless they were to weld crude iron sights onto the gun. Also would generally make sense as when the UNSC was initially formed and armed forces started integrating there was probably a massive surplus of .308 in dry storage across western nation making a choice out of convenience that stuck. Beyond wunderwaffle projects the UNSC armed forces actually seemed relativity under gunned for the amount of space they were meant to be projecting force in. Makes me believe that the UNSC stuck with .308 due to prudence by the acting government, and by the time of the war they already had all the necessary manufacturing capabilities in place for 7.62x51 and didn't want to divert resources into R&D and retooling.
>>62850235why the fuck does that odst have nods, that makes no sense i hate tacticool fags so much
>>62859652Eh, could be some sort of magnifier / range finder for a marksman
>>62859652probably just better nods with super special stuff the default visor doesn't have
>>62859652>spartans have state of the art helmets filled with all sorts of cutting edge shit >"lol stick a flashlight, camera or other crap to their helmet because tacticool" Fucking Reach. My autism still flares up about Reach adding picatinny rails too.
>>62859340>>62859480Remember the .308 was supposed to be the piss weak ineffective rifle that has to be mag dumped into the enemy to kill them, that humanity is only using becasue they're a week away from losing a 30 year war they've been losing since day one.
>>62859153>EARTH IS ALL WE HAVE LEFT
>>62833708>this fantasy space ship alien super soldier video game doesn't seem very realistic xD adultz r STOOPID!!! you need to be 18 or older to post here
>>62860869True. Logistically though it has to be insanely cheap with 500 years of advanced machinery combined with 1000x the resources of Earth available. I imagine each round costs like fractions of a penny.
>>62861489We've had regular halo threads since the first month of the board.
>>62859652Doesn't look like they could fold down in front of the visor. It's probably just not well thought out but they could be target designators or IR illuminators or something I guess, or maybe a telescopic camera that sends the image to the inside of the visor?
>>62833906A meme weapon that was sparsely used
The handgun was a desert eagle chambered in 20mm.
>>62860873For the UNSC that's true
>>62862902Grow up
>>62863285Humanity. Earth is all we have left.End of story. If any colonies are left they're tiny little mining towns no one's ever heard of. 99% of the earth's population was killed in the war, that's that. There is no UNSC, there's no real earth government. Earth is a wasteland with three ships left.
>>62842364Holy shit I had no idea Halsey was so based
>>62849065>>62848977thank you for vaporizing Africa, Rtas 'Vadum
>>62848977oh shit look out it's a fucking dinosaur
>>62868482Sangheili are not saurian btw they've got cow hooves, no scales, and hides like a walrus.Fuck retconfags.
>>62848977Thank you for getting rid of the parasites.
>>62833889The gun you're looking for is the BR-55.
>>62840032I'm sure the UNSC marines and what not have the anti-microbe equivalent of biofoam next to the biofoam in their first aid kit.
>>62842364>Cortana chose her appearance>she also chose which Spartan would "house" herGranted, smart AI's are created from a cloned brain. So you're kind of right.
>>62843419H2 was the cutest by a wide margin. H3 had giant tits and ass. H4 had buck teeth and they ruined the entire cool cyberpunk girl aesthetic she had with her messy hair and less alien texture but autists cant even perceive any of that so they don't understand what they lost.
>>62873184Better then halo infinite where she wearing fucking clothes
>>62873184Halo 2 Cortana's head on Halo 4 Cortana's body
>>62873184how does she smell
>>62873184>be me at 13 years old>horny as fuck>stand in front of Cortana while she's visible on a holopedestal>gather a bunch of covie weapons around so I can grap them when they run out>fire the guns so the controller vibrates and rub it on my dick while making eye contact with Cortana
>>62848937>200 millionyou're so wrong it isn't even funny, not even pre-343 was this true
>>62833708Jorge exclusively uses a 12.7mm.Master Chief used 12.7mms several times, was started the Battle of the Citadel equipped with a SPARTAN Laser.In Halo Wars, upgraded Spartans exclusively use either 12.7mm HMGs or Spartan Lasers.
>>62874290It was 16 billion survivors down from 39 billion, 23 billion dead, wasn't it?
>>62875195According to 343 canon, Bungie (at least the terminal team anyways) wanted 750 million and while Eric Nylund implied several billion (probably roughly present day Earth’s population more or less) with colonies outside of Sol still existing as of the events of Halo 3
>>62842364holy shit I've just realised my girlfriend has this exact body and hair length/shapeI need to paint her blue
>>62875306So, is that just Earth or humanity in total?
>>62875713In total
>>62873198Why do assholes think that releasing something bad retroactively makes the previous bad things good?We're not grading on a curve here dweebus.
>>62876014It’s a sign of being retarded, coping and/or an earlier 343 fan trying to exonerate whatever shit game(s) they like, if you really want to see how retarded modern Halo fans are just look up that awful adaptation of TFoR they made in 2015 on YouTube and read the commercials
>>62849065Thanks, splitlip. I guess your lips are little bit more split than most, huh?
>>62833708They gave spartans heavy weapons every single time they had the ability to.
>>62875691Tell her to get a real haircut.
>>62873116The Halo 3 battle rifle will always be my favorite bits sound wise and aesthetic I love the little ball on the charging handle
>You will never have a psychotic, hyper lethal Spartan GFhttps://youtu.be/cb3M6Z5TYRU?si=PDFBF_OHMoeSY7sAFemale noble 6 is CUTE, I don't care if she's an ONI space glowie.. If buck gets to have a spook wife why can't I?
>>62833715>even if we don't consider ONI can just 'take' the resources neededwhat reason do people have to work if they're not being paid?
>>62837729The entirety of Gamma company was alive when Reach happened and possibly never even saw combat in the last weeks of the war. An unknown number (likely low dozens) of Alphas and Betas were around too but many likely perished on Reach. So there were 300-350 S3's alive by the end of the war.
>>62880794the threat of being genocided by space ayyliums
>>62880822But according to UNSC propaganda they were winning right until they lost Reach. Surely you don't want then asking questions about why they aren't building sleeper colonization ships to escape to the other side of the galaxy?
>>62880838>Surely you don't want then asking questions about why they aren't building sleeper colonization ships to escape to the other side of the galaxy?they're also doing that
>>62880713Because they keep wasting money on cringe things that aren’t worth anything while not even trying to do good things like making women all 6’ or taller >>62880813And if they did they probably would’ve linked up with the Elites so they would’ve taken negligible if any losses
7.62x51 full metal jacket armor piercing is more than enough to kill covenant scum.
>>62837685I like the idea of Spartan iii's but having them wear mjolnir like Noble team did in the game 100% defeats the purpose and destroys the loreSpartan iii's were supposed to be cheap disposable Spartans as opposed to the ii's. Mjolnir armor and augmentation was insanely expensive and augmentation had high death/cripple rate. Spartan iii's while not nearly as powerful as ii's instead relied on numbers and stealthIf we were going to be playing as Spartans wearing mjolnir armor in Reach it made ZERO sense to be playing as a iii's. Reach would have had a greater emotional impact if noble team was part of John's class of Spartan ii's. >hurdur, really successful Spartan iii's get equipped with mjolnir armorRetarded retcon that again defeats the entire purpose of Spartan iii's. If we were going to be playing as iii's we should have gotten a stealth based game
>>62881700>Spartan iii's while not nearly as powerful as ii'sI don't know what book you read but it wasn't Ghosts of Onyx. This was never the case.
>>62881700Jorge lives
>>62881715Spartan iii's used semi powered armor that had stealth technology. Spartan ii's had fully powered mjolnir armor in addition to their augmentation which made freakishly strong. A Spartan ii would snap a iii in half
>>62881732In the opening chapter there’s examples of them killing elites in hand to hand to hand to the point where the elites realize that CQC with them is suicide so they charge them instead
>>62881852Funny cause there's books were individual elites shit all over Spartan IVs.
>>62881877I don’t care about 343 canon
>>62881732That's equipment, not augmentations. Obviously in a fight of equals where one is armed and one is not the armed one is going to win.
>>62881700>If we were going to be playing as iii's we should have gotten a stealth based gameThey didn't even do stealth in ODST...
>>62880893>Pillar of Autumn>In Amber Clad>Shadow of Intent>Truth and Reconciliationuuuuh uuhh how abuot "Buzz Lightyear" or "Marvel Endgame Ship"- Halo StudiosI cant wait for Halo 7 the ship is just gonna be called "UNSC Spartan"
>>62881700IIs were glorified pilots to their suits; subtract the mjolnir, and the difference in price between the IIs and IIIs is practically a rounding error. The IIIs that were using mjolnir were probably appropriating resources intended for those IIs that washed out mid-training, and grabbing the most qualified IIIs to use them was better than letting them collect dust when Reach was being invaded.
>>62883106>IIs were glorified pilots to their suits; subtract the mjolnir, and the difference in price between the IIs and IIIs is practically a rounding error.IIIrd worlder cope. Master Chief would peel Noble team out of their armor even if he was naked.Holy shit I hate IIIfags so much it's unreal.
>>62881945LOL in Bungie-Canon elites do things like split people in half by stomping on them and smash in the harder-than steel skulls of brutes with one hand.
>Human-Covenant war lasted 20+ years>UNSC made zero effort in reverse engineering Covvie tech from downed dropships and derelict cruisers they defeated in battle that had obviously superior tech>First reverse engineered UNSC ship only came out years after the war endedThe answer here is that the UNSC was genuinely retarded. ONI in particular as they were sitting on Forerunner tech for seemingly decades before the war even started. Literally equal in retardation as Area 51 in Independence day where they were just sitting on a UFO since Roswell and just didn't really do anything with it or inform anyone about it. The UNSC is the NCR of space.
>>62883330Sci Fi fags say things like "reverse engineer" but reality is that just because you have a copy of magical alien technology and you wish really really hard doesn't actually mean you get to upgrade your tech meter with more magical tech points.
>>62883338The technology was similar to UNSC tech with the slipspace drives, just way better. It's not like asking some engineer from the middle ages to reverse engineer a nuclear reactor. They could've also have used captured Covvie ships. But they didn't.
>>62883365And how many Covenant interstellar vessels did they capture, exactly?
>>62883330>>62883365The most intact covenant ship they had was an extremely damaged assault carrier in 2531 and they only captured a mortally wounded elite from it Aside from that it was about reverse engineering the most advanced tech in the galaxy from the covenant’s cargo cult infantry equipment
>>62883330>>62883365The Covenant didn't even fully understand their tech, most of it was the equivalent of cheap chinese knockoff forerunner technology but without any of the AI's used to operate it, mixed with a heavy dose of 40k Mechanicus style cargo cult fuckery. Their shit was crazy advanced and considering the power disparities between their fleets the UNSC would need a small miracle to capture a covvie ship intact enough for them to start the process. Outside of that the only source of Covenant technology they had was the stuff they captured from ground battles, and they probably didn't have the infrastructure necessary to make plasma weapons or antigrav tech in large enough numbers to be feasible.
>>62883365>The technology was similar to UNSC tech with the slipspace drives, just way better.And what makes it way better might take you 200 years to reproduce, retard. Your brain has been poisoned by shitty writing where the plucky scientist looks at alien stuff for a week and says "reverse engineer" and makes everything magically more powerful.
>>62883338>>62887551Covenant tech isn't so far advanced that it's like trying to teach a medieval peasant how to build, maintain, and operate an F-22 or humanity wouldn't win even against a lone Phantom crewed by drunken grunts pulling the equivalent of teenagers breaking random mailboxes. The UNSC had the basic concepts for the lion's share of it and already used less advanced versions of other portions. This isn't a matter of it being so advanced it's indistinguishable from magic or whatever. They also had been reverse engineering some forerunner tech if I'm remembering right. Could swear the shields in Ol' Chiefy's armor were explicitly designed from research on forerunner tech.Reverse engineering doesn't mean magically figuring out every detail in one go. Maybe you find a new alloy one month. Maybe you figure out the basic idea behind the power source a few months after that. Could have some fancy trigger mechanism that you figure out the first day. You'll eventually figure out the important bits given enough time and examples to work with and each one of those bits on their own could yield game changing advancements the original designers/users might not have thought about. The question is how many examples do you have to examine and dissect and how much money, time, and manpower do you dedicate to those programs? Considering the Covenant is an undeniable existential threat I'd bet the UNSC, under proper management rather than hamstrung by lore, would be dedicating massive amounts of resources towards at bare minimum understanding every last bit of covenant tech they could. Especially after the Sangheili defected research and production of man-made equivalents should have massively improved. The idea that the Sangheili wouldn't understand how their weapons work is pants on head retarded.
>>62887839cont.At least for infantry weapons they undoubtedly had quite the stock of captures to experiment with which allows much more aggressive research to take place. If you only have one plasma pistol breaking it while trying to figure it out would be a huge loss and it'd take an eternity to figure it out, assuming you even could. If you have hundreds or even thousands with good chances of more being obtained mid research then who fucking cares, rip a few apart and get some balls deep rapid analysis going. If you have experts on those weapons willing to aid your research to defeat a common enemy those programs are going to be blisteringly fast skipping a whole lot of steps. There really is no good in-universe reason the UNSC didn't at least come up with basic infantry plasma weapons of their own during Halo 3's story.As a design choice I remember the original developers talking about how they wanted a clear and obvious divide between the aesthetics and function of human stuff versus covenant stuff. To me the lines only really seemed to start blurring some once Bungie was fully replaced with 343.
>>62883330UNSC needed to secure the help of engineers because neither they nor the rest of the Covenant actually knew how any of that shit worked.
>>62887842>There really is no good in-universe reason the UNSC didn't at least come up with basic infantry plasma weapons of their own during Halo 3's story.They were getting their ass kicked while already on full war footing and didn't have the time and resources it would have taken them to construct the required infrastructure to mass produce them?You're assuming that just because you understand how something works you know how to re-create it on your own. Maybe they do discover a new alloy but they have no idea how to make it outside of a lab, or they can produce it but can't make it in large enough amounts to matter, or it's prohibitively expensive, or requires too many rare materials, because the Covenant has a much more efficient manufacturing process that you know nothing about, or you can do all of that but building the factory and refining the process would take 10-15 years and by that time you'll all be dead and turned to glass. All for one part of a single branch of Covenant technology that wouldn't even help you that much since small arms are not the reason you're losing the war. Not to mention the huge costs associated with building up an entirely new production chain and all of its associated infrastructure and logistics. All for something that will again, at best, make you lose slightly slower than you already are.Of course the UNSC was trying to reverse Covenant tech, but its a long way from "We understand how this plasma pistol works" to creating something that's both practical and useful to war effort.
>>62887943That's a bad excuse. Research on plenty of major projects (pic related for example) was ongoing. Researching new technologies and weaponry was very obviously a huge part of the war effort or the MA-5B would be the peak of UNSC small arms. Developing plasma weapons that don't rely on physical ammunition would be a godsend to logistics. Figuring out infantry shields, even just shittier versions of those used by the jackals, would be an absolute game changer. If humanity in the Halo universe was not actively and furiously trying to figure out, reproduce, and use covenant tech at every opportunity it deserved to be wiped out for being utterly pathetic. Failure to advance under pressure is not a human trait. If anything that crucible makes us dedicate a fuckton of effort to develop faster. The covenant stagnating actually makes sense as a rigid theocracy. Humanity on the other hand should have absolutely rapidly advanced because "Oh fuck, if we don't we're all gonna die".You generally can though. Even if you can't make direct copies understanding the basic principles of how a thing functions and why can allow you to make a similar device. Even if the new M-420/69 Plasma Rifle isn't as good as the original Sangheili weapon it was developed from it's still a big damn deal. It can also lead to parallel developments. As an example maybe some lunatic figures out plasma sheathing bullets after studying how the plasma is accumulated and charged by a grunt's plasma pistol. Pretty good shot once the Sangheili defect they'd also help you improve your designs and share info on how to make things as a welcome bonus. Retooling or even building entirely new factories shouldn't take that long 500 fucking years from now.The idea that stagnation is the right course because oh noes it'd be hard, take time, or be expensive is disgusting. You should be embarrassed in yourself as a human being. Advance or die.
>>62888038cont.The key problem you have is you're assuming humanity must be retarded, utterly incompetent, and still bound to what for us is modern research, construction, and production methods but for the UNSC is all OVER 500 YEARS OLD. If we've stagnated that disgustingly hard we deserve to be wiped out as we have forsaken a key part of what makes us human. In effect that humanity is already dead, merely a husk with a few bright flames (like Halsey) desperately trying and failing to keep the light from dying entirely.Humanity's MIC during the war with the covenant should make the modern US MIC's response to Russian and Chinese wunderwaffen look calm and measured if not outright impotent. That should include both indigenous tech and tech/insights gained from thorough research of captured covenant equipment. Imagine how much of an impact plasma rifles and shields (jackal style) would make even if they were only 50-75% as effective as the real McCoy covenant troops use. There's so many potential advancements both direct and parallel that could be gained from actually seriously doing the work to understand your enemy's advanced tech it's obscene. If some random sperg on 4chan can think of it you can bet your fat ass actual scientists and engineers in military RnD would think of true horrors.Losing "slightly slower" means you have more time to make more important advancements than you did before. If you don't make those advancements you don't slow down the oncoming loss and have zero chance of turning it around without a massive amount of luck... like a sudden schism in the massive theocracy that you're fighting leading a major part of it to join your side. Even without that luck if you are able to continue to make the meaningful advancements the technology disparity can eventually be done away with putting you on even or better footing than the enemy, who is still bound up by being a stagnant rigid theocracy.
>>62888038>As a design choice I remember the original developers talking about how they wanted a clear and obvious divide between the aesthetics and function of human stuff versus covenant stuff. To me the lines only really seemed to start blurring some once Bungie was fully replaced with 343.^You answered it here earlier. Having super advanced human equipment (or brute equipment for that matter) fucks up the artstyle, as well as the at-a-glance understanding of things. In the real Halo games you can tell the humans are losing the war just due to their recognizable, low tech equipment and environments. If you want to pick up a UNSC weapon youll instinctively know what you're getting. VS 343 opening a pandoras box of fucked up neon sprite gibberish with Spartans shooting lasers out of their feet to fly, or having covenant scopes on an MA5B just bc "R&D would be happening." It wouldn't service the broad narrative or visual storytelling even if tech advancements would actually be happening in that setting. Obviously Bungo made the right call on this bc their games are all classics Vs the D minus-at-best games that followed
>>62888214Well of course. I'm not discussing it from a game design perspective in that post, but as if it were a real scenario. In a real scenario it is extremely important to understand and try to reproduce your enemy's notably advanced weapons. From a video game aesthetics standpoint it was important to keep the blatant "human" nature of UNSC weapons and equipment. Even with that requirement though it'd still be plenty possible to make a very obviously human plasma weapon. Honestly Star Wars made that quite easy with things like E-11s made out of Sterlings and whatnot. Firearms and !their form! are incredibly familiar compared to nearly all covenant weapons.To me a homegrown plasma weapon made through dedicated hard work to understand and reverse engineer the enemy's examples is explicitly human. For aesthetics I'd try to make it resemble some sort of bastard lovechild of a G-36, Kiss Vector, and Mk18 with a few artistic additions like relevant looking greebles set along the barrel inside the handguard. The spartan laser looks FAR more out of place that what I'm thinking of even if the weapon in my head makes pew pew noises and shoots blue glowy things instead of bullets. That said I understand the creative choices of the original devs, even if I'm not in full agreement with them.
>>62887839>Covenant tech isn't so far advanced that it's like trying to teach a medieval peasant how to build, maintain, and operate an F-22Arbitrary decision you made about how it "must" be without any actual canonical backup or logical reason.
>>62887839>>62887842I believe the official story (as I heard it over a decade ago) was that the shields were reverse engineered from jackal shields, but I would believe that story as a lie told by ONI to hide the existence of the forerunners
You really need to play as a Spartan in a milsim style game to understand just how game-changing a person forcefield on top of full body level V armor is. When you're fighting from cover at realistic ranges, getting shot multiple times means very little. You can hide for 5 seconds to recharge your shield. Then you pop out again and eat 10 more 7.62x51mm rounds before killing the poor sods that picked a fight with you. It's only CQB, heavy weapons, or mines that present a true threat to a Spartan.
>>62888414Except for, you know, the AIs so advanced they're basically people without flesh, the 7 foot tall murder machines wearing super heavy armor with built in energy shields, just looking at the difference between now and 100 years ago, then thinking about how much will change in !500! years. We already have some degree of understanding of plasma NOW as a simple example. The UNSC already uses things like slipspace drives meaning the concept is well enough understood to be put into practice to a basic degree. The concepts are there, just not well enough understood to be implemented or to the same level as the Covenant's examples. You know how you fix that? You take the many MANY examples of captured covie tech, open them up, examine them, and figure out what makes them tick.For us today? Yeah, we'd be out of our depth even trying to figure out where to start on a plasma pistol even with crates of them available, but unlike a peasant trying to brain out an F-22 we'd understand it's not just straight up magic. The UNSC would be in a MUCH better position to understand and figure out covenant technology and even implement it, especially a few years into a war against them. You guys also keep ascribing the research and production capabilities of countries like Lithuania or Estonia to the entirety of a multi-planetary FTL capable humanity as if the capacity just flat can't possibly be there. Knock that shit off, it's impressively fucking dumb.If anything the "arbitrary decision" (pants on head retarded excuse) is you folks just declaring it's not possible b-b-because you just c-can't, ok?>>62889320The Arma 3 Halo mods really did well for that last I saw, and it's been a while.
>>62850923HA HA HA HA
>>62889932>Except for, you know, the AIs so advanced they're basically people without flesh, the 7 foot tall murder machines wearing super heavy armor with built in energy shields, just looking at the difference between now and 100 years ago, then thinking about how much will change in !500! years.>Faggot raised on science fiction literally has a seizure when confronted with the reality that technological advancement is not only not linear, but can flatline and never increase in a field.
>>62890607Anon, pretending to be retarded is the lowest form of trolling. You can do better than that. Don't believe in yourself. Believe in the me that believes in you!
>>62887839>Covenant tech isn't so far advanced that it's like trying to teach a medieval peasant how to build, maintain, and operate an F-22It literally is though. Not even Dr. Halsey could figure it out.
It took finding a significantly out of date jackal shield for humanity to even have a inkling of understanding on how covenant technology worked.
>>62891707that's just what ONI claims, those diaries are fake
>>62891775you glow.
>>62848388>>62848977Humanity requires an alliance with the sangheili to gain advanced technology and hot alien bitches, it's that simple.
>>62891775No she totally wrote on paper with quippy asides. It’s totally in her character!
>>62891699>their weapons technology seems uniformly purposed>Its almost as if the technology was developed for other purposeslol most consistent 343 writing fluffer
>>62891856typical glownigger deflection>>62893574it's another hint that it was written by glowniggers
>>62833782>that railgun from the books.That wasn't a Spartan Weapon, that's an M99 Stanchion.
>>62842016>>62842349That's not what happened, The Librarian fast forwarded his genetic evolution.
>>62851397Nigger, 4/5 of that is indeed in the first 7 novels.Retard?
>why isn't my sci-fi video game series logical and realisticTruly a daunting thought
>>62893574That’s Bungie lore that was released with the preorder of halo reach thoughbeit.
>>62893574This was written by Eric Nylund back in 2010 for world building and to attempt to reconcile the extreme retcons Reach’s campaign made
>>62893621No it isn’t, I reread all 7 just a few months ago
>>62894939Oh? And which of "that" isn't in the novels then?
>>62873184>H3 had giant tits and ass. so blind. H4 was proper thick compared to H3
>>62895052The first one only kinda in there but to prevent a war that would kill billions because most of the insurrectionists were Marxist Jihadists that had entire fleets of warships and nukesThe rest is 343 era retcons
>>62895875The second isn't explicitly, but it's clear that's how Halsey taught the Spartan IIs. And ONI funding Spartan IIIs for "aggression" isn't wrong per se.
>>62895891She knew that they were the cream of the crop of humanity but anything of that scale was only pushed in Halo 4/kilo 5, the 3s were designed to be Spartan 2s on a budget with aggression being used to motivate them to join up and fight fanatically
>>62895913>She knew that they were the cream of the crop of humanityHalsey taught them a lot about world history to make them "effective" soldiers.
>>62837080>Mjolnir Recon 54.
Real talk, how do you reload the Blamite into a Needler?
>>62896027Lift up the top cover and insert one of those pink crystals you see in Halo CE
What is the military application for a wheeled land battleship that is 70 meters long and 30 meters wide?
>>62896808don't forget it can't fire forwards
>>62896808The bridge looking like a giant helmet makes this look so fucking stupid. The Juggernaut is so much better
>>62873184And YOU don't understand what was gained because you like to hyper-fixate on perceived flaws.Halo 4 is a dogshit game to play and a dogshit story to experience, but Cortana's design in that game is by FAR the best part about it. You want an actual downgrade, go look at Halo 5.
>>62897195>Halo 4 is a dogshit game to play and a dogshit story to experience, but Cortana's design in that game is by FAR the best part about it. You want an actual downgrade, go look at Halo 5.>H4's shitty design was good because H5 badThe post trilogy fags CANNOT fathom having standards.
>>62896808Literally, to cope and seethe about the existence of Scarabs.So during the war, the UNSC learned the painful lesson that they just could not, ever, compete like-for-like against the covenant, because everything the UNSC had was pound for pound worse, and they had less of it by a factor of a hundred.They had the Grizzly and the Gun-Elephant, but these were expensive rolling targets that still couldn't do 90% of what a Scarab could do and so they stopped making them. The UNSC had battleships and carriers and those were getting split in half by single shots from covenant ships a third their size. It was the same across the board:They'd shoot their big guns, look really cool, then get blown up. You never beat the Covenant at their own game, your only chance to inflict damage is to make them play a different game.Every UNSC strategy and weapons design past the early stages of the war was done in relation to the fact that they were just plain and simply weaker than their enemy in every way and having to work around that. Well, after the war, the ONI propaganda was literally "We Da Giants Nao", just endless, bitter seething about having to survive as scavengers and vermin under the hoof of the Sangheili for two generations. They hated not having an answer to so many normal parts of Covenant warfare. They HATED being the little tunnel rats biting at the covenant's heels. They HATED that they were little and the covenant was big. NO NO NO NO WE'RE BIG WE'RE THE GIANTS WE HAVE OUR OWN (whatever the Sangheili are using) AND IT'S BETTER!!!The Mammoth was cope over the existence of the Scarab just like the Infinity was cope over the existence of the Assault Carrier class. In both cases the UNSC "Just as good" copy is a poorly thought out piece of shit that's constantly breaking down and can't even fulfill the role of the covenant weapon it's meant to be the counterpart of.
>492m long, 2m thick titanium A armour >only 4 months to build What kind of facilities would be required for this
>>62899504A very mature orbital shipbuilding industry. All the parts have been fabricated ahead of time, it's mostly just welding the thing together and pulling wires.
>>62899504I think it's funny that humans are usually the "reasonable" engineers and aliens are usually the "exuberant" ones, but in the case of ship building, humans are seen as silly by the covvies for putting their bridge out in the open for bluewater vibes instead of putting the bridge in the heart of the vessel, and they're 100% correct
>>62838003>Everything bad about Halo 4,5,6 is visible and festering in Reach, reachfags just want to pretend otherwise.Based
>>62899570Didn't the Elites admire the Humans for that, calling it essentially ballsy?
>>62897195I like Cortana's design in Halo 5. Like an angry, hot dictator in Blue Leather.
How popular do you think covie weapons were with collectors and hobbyists after the war?
>>62899861Very popular.I can also imagine someone Bubba'ing them.>This here one of them Type-25 Directed Energy Rifles them split lips used on us back fiftee' twen'ee 'ears agao.>As y'all can see, I gave it a stock for GOD MADE HUMAN HANDS
>>62893609Abysmal writing either way. Let alone that its crammed in the same 15 minute exposition dump where the entire human and forerunner mysteries are told, not shown, the big evil guy and his plan is explained, and that chief is a super Harry Potter chosen one whos sole purpose boils down to being that shitty game.
>>62900148But he isn't a chosen one either?
>>62900165yeah a guy created zillions of years in the past through alien DNA tampering isnt a chosen one at all
>>62899876Gonna consider that the origin of halo 4's storm rifle.
>>62887943>Of course the UNSC was trying to reverse Covenant tech, but its a long way from "We understand how this plasma pistol works" to creating something that's both practical and useful to war effort.And all things considered they never really hit the "we understand how this works" part. And it's not really hard to understand why, the plasma rifle for example is basically three different cultural design fused together since it's built off of elites reverse engineering forerunner tech and then prophets adding on their own additions to the design once the covenant was formed.
>>62900237We already know they were tampering with people way back in Halo 3's side material.
