Space Force has an expanded range of weapon designations and a new approach to naming things. They will take ideas on how to nickname new stuff until November 30 and decide after that. https://airandspaceforces.com/space-force-satellites-weapons-names-and-it-wants-guardians-help
>>62845325Why would they have their own designation system instead of the Tri-Service one?
What's the difference between a prototype and an experimental craft?
>>62845344No use tying yourself to the bureaucratic classifications of 200 year old organizations. Each designator has budget implications.Pursuit sounds cool.
>>62845344I think the idea is to extend the tri-service patterns for things not already covered. Tri-service is an aircraft spec, after all. Not spacecraft.I have no idea how the classified preexisting designation systems might align or completely clash with this one though. NASA never really needed much of one for spacecraft, and their aircraft programs could all be crammed either under "x-series" or tri-service. So did NRO ever develop one of their own?
>>62845434>Tri-service is an aircraft spec, after all. Not spacecraft.The preexisting MDS designators for space seem like they aren't very useful for space force.
make a space warship already (crewed), at least something orbital
>>62845550Why?
>>62845554so it's a space force, and force projection in spacesatellites, stations and unmanned stuff is cool and all, but something self-sustaining that can operate across a wide spectrum of orbits and the ability to engage other craft in orbit.it'll and others will need a station for tending.
>>62845365Prototypes typically go into production, experimental are one off test beds.
>>62845325There's a UAP hearing on the 13th, in two days. When is the US going to admit to having alien crafts in their possession?
>>62845325>EL-1 Hitler Did Nothing Wrong>MG-13 Gushing Granny>KT-9 Moot>AL-5 Nigger Fucker>TS-2 Space Faggot
>>62845887Mfw you're on deployment so long on Planet Dirt that the government legally considers you an alien
>>62845887There are crafts but there ain’t no aliens my nigga.
>>62845966Ah yes, the biologics being vat-grown right here on Earth means they aren't aliens.
YAD-1 when?
>>62845911>KT-9 Mootspace marines are fucking toast
>>62845887Never, because it doesn't. The explanation for these things is pretty mundane. t. knower
>>62845550>57mm automatic on the dorsal bow for close range defense and offense>1x8 MK41 VLS for modified SM-3 (KKV variant); long range offense>ventral radiator fins>shaped like a cone of death of around 50 meters long>USS Independence being the first ship
>>62849825>preferred prey: ????
>>62849923Satellites and OPFOR spaceships, I guess. Military space stations will become mostly obsolete before they're even made in the future since they'll be too easy to hit, as by design, they're mostly static. Even if they have their own CIWS, which will be 100% effective against incoming missiles, but not a swarm of tens of thousands of tungsten projectiles moving far too fast to armor against.You'd want more VLS cells, along with high-powered lasers, but this is more of a tentative build and quickly thrown into space with OTS equipment.
>>62845325I wonder what the zapper would count as. XAL/M?
>>62848418Plasma countermeasures for radar spoofing would be my guess.
>>62851161No, it's way more boring than that.
DP when?
>>62852813>defend
>>62850277Surely it's not in LEO/MEO. It would be too easy to counter-zap.
>>62855663It's implied that it's a ground station and that the targeting uses satellite facilitated ionospheric ducting. Ironically that retard that claims he was some sort of firefighter at some secret facility in the South Pole and while there discovered that there is some sort of directed energy weapon might not be so schizo after all. If you were indeed using magnetic conjugate lines as targeting mechanism, it might be helpful to have your device in a place where all your lateral conjugate points meet. Or the guy is just a fucking nut (extraordinarily likely). Either way, we all doubt the Zapper is orbital because it's a laser system at it's core and something would have to power it, and it seems as if it is technically fragile and launching it up to space might be bad idea if you want it to function correctly.
>>62856734>ground stationso it's an ASAT?hrm
>>62859123I think ascent and midcourse phase ABM shield more likely. I think the ground targeting was an added bonus. My personal belief is the genesis of the targeting aspect started with Starfish Prime. The redacted LANL report is interesting. They were very interested in seeing how far the relativistic electron beams propagated caused by the detonation. The recorded X-ray and gamma ray strength at both the detonation site and conjugate points they traveled to are redacted, and we know that Excalibur was indeed a real project within SDI.
>>62856734>It's implied that it's a ground stationIs it? I thought the implication from erewhon was that you stick a bunch of positrons in supercooled BECs, put in in orbit, then use the Zeldovich trick to get them to the target in the same condition they left.Then again, I did wonder how you'd reload the thing and if it's a ground based system then it would be taken care of. You probably know more than me anyhow.
>>62859665Not as I understand it. Your plasmonic medium, whether a BEC or metamaterial with the same properties, serves as your pulse compression mechanism. Probe beam has now been converted into an excitation within the medium (BEC) as an exciton polariton. Now your probe beam of whatever wavelength (it seems maybe infrared, hence "anomalous dispersion") is now well into the gamma regime, hence the "spatial compression" referenced. You release the electromagnetically induced transparency trap that "stops " your probe beam, releasing the photon energy"imprinted " on your medium as a gamma ray laser. This hits a block of whatever material (gold, tungsten, etc.) stipping off electrons in the process. Because you're above the Schwinger Critical Field Limit for positron production, you get positrons to accompany your electrons. This is where things breakdown for me (because literal regular dude). How do you get bound state positronium out the business end? Are you altering the spin in process so that it naturally forms? There is obviously the guy referenced in the NIAC PDF that is doing it in reverse, Alan P Mills. But this does not seem to be that. I would have never put two and two together had I not followed this in the news when I was in high school and college.
>>62859665I guess the real question is whether an exciton polariton is analogous in real life to an election positron pair. I am far to retarded to know, but just smart enough to understand. Pretty sure you answer lies there.
>>62845325show me what you've got in the XYVD department
>>62859665>erewhonThe farktard? Why not just abandon that obvious larper idiot already
>>62861943If there wasn't actual defense research associated with this, I would have abandoned it a decade ago.
>>62861943The posts he and others were making 2004-5 are 100% guaranteed to be real. After that I'm not sure, he'd be stupid to do it again, but the information has more to back it up than your average larp. And then the planet dirt stuff is... outright weird, especially in its consistency.
>>62845344it's the 4th service so it's not covered. Duuuh!
>>62863360>The posts he and others were making 2004-5 are 100% guaranteed to be real.because... they just are, ok?!!
>>62865660He was talking about plasma based control surfaces and RAM 20 years before Chinkoids even caught onto the fact that it might be possible
>>62865660He and others were directly conversing about certain subjects while displaying a level of familiarity and awareness of the subject matter that you simply would not be able to get in 2004 with some quick googling. Not to mention the jobs he and others had at the time which they lost once the authorities got wind of what was going on.
>>62865660What about it is bullshit? I will wait.
>>62859813they were interested in "advanced maneuvering vehicles" (top right of pic), which were basically experimental satellites designed to inspect spacecraft in different lunar orbits. they got canceled four years ago, but my guess is that we'll see something similar crop up again eventually. the moon is becoming an increasingly busy place.https://www.c4isrnet.com/battlefield-tech/space/2019/08/27/the-pentagon-wants-to-solve-a-deep-space-problem-with-three-vehicles/https://breakingdefense.com/2020/04/sda-scales-back-ambitions-for-cislunar-deterrent-in-first-rfp/
>>62845488>MMMM
>>62845325When are we getting the sub-terranean force? Underground battles are as much the future as space battlez
>>62866214oh i just read that project 2025 calls for space force to have a lunar sensor network to be built in trump's second term:>For instance, the document suggests deploying early-warning systems in “cislunar” space — regions between the Earth and the moon — to better detect any attempts by foreign nations to establish a military lunar foothold given increasing international interest in the moon’s resources and exploration. https://spacenews.com/trumps-second-term-could-push-space-force-to-take-bolder-stance/so i guess we could see it crop up again within the next few years rather than 10-20 years like i was thinking.
>>62866471Mole Force is much more highly classified than Space Force
>>62867636>Space Force Academy Kino
>>62845344The Air Force it spawned from barely follows the Tri-Service system itself>t. B-21, Eagle II
>>62866254malibrated with mott mitter
>>62869011>The Air Force it spawned from barely follows the Tri-Service system itselfThose scum better get the fuck back to it. Non-compliance with the Tri-Service Aircraft and Missile systems and other standardized designation/nomenclature systems has directly correlated with the institutional rot of the Army, Air Force, and Navy in recent history and also has made referencing newer equipment very much annoying for autists.
speaking of space related warfare, it seems like russia may have armed satellites (not the nuclear bomb one). they shoot a cloud of projectiles into the path of whatever, which leads to its obvious destruction.i guess space force will have a designation for these things. too bad we don't get much in the way of info like we do with terrestrial weapons.
>>62870345continuing, it seems like it's something other than a simple automatic cannon (like the 23mm cannon they had on their station). rather a bursting munition of some sort.
>>62870345name?
Speaking of spooky space weapons, this slide that came out recently is quite interesting; note the not x-37 in the bottom left, I wonder if it's ours or somebody else's?
>>62873179>korean flagWhy is so much space force stuff happening in korea?
>>62873179>satellite labelled UFO>clearly an identified flying object
>>62873872good location in asia
>>62861943
>>62873885it's a le funi backronymhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_Follow-On_satellite
>>62877981And Skynet?
>>62878184Bongsats with timeshare leasing for NATO and five eyes
>>62865728>>62866014Many engineers working in the aerospace industry would have such knowledge.I highly doubt he actually spoiled the beans on anything. It’s most likely an elaborate larp - running with some of the rumors he probably heard at work, some straight up bullshit, maybe with an occasional tease of lesser a real thing. I don’t think anyone would risk breaking an actual NDA, you’d be instantly unemployable if someone found out.
>>62880565>I don’t think anyone would risk breaking an actual NDA, you’d be instantly unemployable if someone found out.Thing is though, he did. Several people got fired, and you can even dig up the conversations where he's apologising to people over it. He obviously wasn't blabbing about everything, just veiled references so the other guys could get it, but it matches too closely with the science that zapperanon has dug up. There's bits that are probably a larp or tall tales, but I don't know man. If you read the posts, see how he dances around the point so much, there just has to be gold. There's too few holes in them.
>>62845966you cant handle the truth
>>62881902The internet is a very large canvas and there are countless people who don't value their time in ways that are likely ever to make sense to non-disordered minds. Transitional web 1.5 to 2.0 scenes like fark were always particularly notorious for their maladaptive antipatterns and strange ego investment problems. The resultant reactionary turn away from nyms is why we're all here on a western IBB after all.>Most of what you read on the internet is written by insane peopleand so on and so forthI'm not dismissing it out of hand, without having wasted time diving into the thick context to know how things were among the fark cohort who discussed /x/ tech. But it doesn't _have_ to have added up to anything in the end, by any means.
>>62881902Where could we find information on prosecutions for National Security violations? The primary guy he converses with was allegedly AFOSI attached to the State Department. He also mentions that this made down defense rags back in the day. Any idea what those could be? Jane's maybe?
>>62884728No clue. You'd have to dig up an archive of Jane's or the relevant mags from late 2005 I think is when it happened, maybe 2006. There was also another guy he talked to who worked at the Spook HQ on Bolling, plus a few others who were apparently in the know about things. Then again, said news might not have been public, but in private defence mags, there's just so little information to go on.
>>62881902>but it matches too closely with the science that zapperanon has dug upMy whole point was that those things are impressive to a layman, not necessarily to an engineer or a physicist that knows their way around what they do. An imaginative mind of this kind could pull of a far more convincing operation like that than an experienced sci-fi writer. Most just have better shit to do.
>>62845554prestige
>>62845325>Pursuit is backFuck yeah, P-2061 Black Widow II when
>>62845325it seems like a good system that can be built out from
>>62887267>last kill before VJ day>first kill before D3 day
>>62886789Pretty retarded take, anon.
>>62856734>something would have to power itUpper ionosphere has potential differences in hundreds of kV. Once you go from its measly ionization rate to a more decent one and shape such region in a particular way…And it’s not like the zapper itself could do this quite efficiently…Just a little something to think about.
>>62886789It's fine that a few internet oddballs are using oblique obscurant forumlarp from other internet oddballs as an excuse to research secret projects. Just helps to be upfront that this is what is actually happening. The problem is that only one of our resident zapper anons – the one who writes plainly and communicates what he thinks we know and don't know so far, like an adult – seems to have actually reflected on why he's interested in the topic and the fark guy. The other one is - yeah. A work in progress, let's say.>>62890548A good example of when honesty can clarify a situation. We're inundated with spam. Just say bump. No need to pretend to be in conflict.
>>62872396>>62870345they had that shit back in the late 60's https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/i2p.htm
>>62892178People like to believe such information can just be found on the internet. That someone will leak it or otherwise make it public. Wishful, naive thinking. I can tell you that you won’t find shit that gets close enough to any of those topics. Whatever you find is either a red herring or straight up disinformation. Even the research papers that you think are relevant, are not. Those that are, aren’t made public.Whole aerospace industry operates on layers upon layers of gatekept knowledge that sometimes makes it feel almost like a stereotypical secret society - particularly in regards to those “layers”.If this tread stays up I might elaborate later.
>>62891888I would it's a two part deal, with the ducting being facilitated via satellite or (((other))) orbital means. I think the genesis of the targeting aspect was discovered during Operation Fishbowl, specifically Starfish Prime. I don't think the Zapper is a space-bourne weapons system because it seems like it would be technically fragile, and would need to be maintained by actual people. Also, something would have to power it, and there are very few "set it and forget it" options outside of a nuclear reactor, and there are obviously orbital radiological detection systems and shielding would be weight prohibitive.>>62892178>>62892446Normally, I would agree. This however, definitely seems different. Outside of the Zel'dovich reference, he is very, very vague. The only reason I was able to put 2 and 2 together (or at least I think) was because I already knew some of the names and other associated research because I followed it in the news in real time because I was very interested in it. I don't focus so much the UFO talk (altogether I love that shit) as the Zapper, at least in /k/.Things we know are absolutely true>Exciton-Polariton lasing systems are real>Intense lasers can indeed produce positrons>Terrestrial gamma ray bursts, aka electrical events that exceed the Schwinger limit for pair production and annihilation, are present in intense lightning strikes>There indeed was not only a UFO tard, but lots of other people off I-80 in Toole, that witnessed SOMETHING at UTTR in 2004>It's a very strong possibility that references to a BEC or a metamaterial with the same optical properties providing a pulse compression mechanism by a factor or millions for a lasing system because there is research that support this
>>62892843Please don’t the cat ass post lol
>>62845550this is like making your aircraft carrier out of tinfoil and hoping it never runs into any weather/nobody takes a shot at it. literally just a high profile, high value target that any asshole with kerbal space program and a backyard rocket fuel factory could take out
>>62892946I have no idea what that means. I'm drinking Maker's Mark making brussel sprouts. Also trying to prevent the male dog from raping my female dog in heat.
>>62892843I think the UFO stuff is actually quite compelling given recent news. It's either aliens or someone has figured out some really nifty ways to bend and break the laws of physics, and if aliens can do it then so can we. The real question is whether it's one player or two (let's be real the Russians are never figuring that shit out)
>>62893075It's a functional analog to an artificial Kerr Singularity. I'm pretty convinced of it. The lab keeps trying to rape the golden retriever. She wants it until she doesn't lmao
>>62893075I doubt the Russians had the money to figure it out. If Planet Dirt is real, your looking at the late 80's at a minimum (I think). The Belgian Wave of UFO sightings was a flex against the Soviet Union. There is a reason why there were seen in Brussels, and the timeline fits with with collapse of the Soviet Union and the reunification of Germany. I'm sure they know. I honestly think it's odd Putin has dropped a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine by now. Whether they are losing or winning, they have spent a tremendous amount of human and monetary resources to get where they are. I would imagine a nuke at this point would be a function of economics. Maybe he doesn't want to get Zapped like the Best Koreans.
>>62893122>If Planet Dirt is real, your looking at the late 80's at a minimum (I think).Would it? The early drives were (apparently) 50c, according to Bedlam, and newer ones were 200. That's only 1 month of travel time, then a week. That's comparable to your average sailing trip these days. You could transport a lot of material with those travel times, enough that PD could have been established within the last 20 years.
>>62850223I wonder if we'll ever see a mission to stop/intercept the launch of a rocket. Outside of AC4 that is.
>>62893251There are materials science limitations, or so you would think.
>>62893251What would be the point though?Historically space exploration beyond earth’s vicinity was just a demonstration of power with no practical value. This doesn’t even exist if you make it secret.
>>62896880Because if you can feasibly explore other star systems and establish bases on them the entire galaxy is now your oyster. You have an entire galaxy's worth of resources at your disposal, if interstellar travel is really possible. >Why keep it secret?Because you want to monopolise the tech and get a head start on it if or when somebody else discovers it. And besides,>We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.
>>62897963>Because if you can feasibly explore other star systems and establish bases on them the entire galaxy is now your oyster. You have an entire galaxy's worth of resources at your disposal, if interstellar travel is really possible.A market requires a buyer and a seller. Without one, you can have the easiest resource extraction opportunity ever seen by the species lying at your feet, but it hardly matters. You lack profit motive in a fundamental way.
