Some photos taken at Livrustkammaren and Historiska Muséet in Stockholm as I was getting to know my new camera.First out is a is a gilded brass harness (so purely ceremonial) worn by then-chamberlain Johan Gyllenstierna in Karl X Gustav's funeral procession (1660).
Swedish cavalry sword and uniform, early 18th century.
Outfit worn by Karl XI during part of his coronation festivities.
Honorary colonel's uniform of queen Viktoria, for Das Stettiner Füsilier-Regiment N:o 34. She does appear to have had a genuine interest in military affairs, whereas king Gustav V preferred tennis and embroidery.
Things Gustav II Adolf brought home.
The rapier Gustav II Adolf carried at Lützen. Attempts to photograph the entire length of it got buggered something fierce by the depth of field, or rather lack thereof.
>>62845351funny
Crowned helmet of Gustav I Vasa. German manufacture, dated to 1540.
Armour made for Sigismund II of Poland by Kunz Lochner (and employees, these attributions are always just to the master who ran the show, they are not to be taken as things being made all by one person) in 1550. Given as a gift to Johan III (Sigismund's borther in law) in 1574.
Some of Gustav I Vasa's stuff. The harness and shield being of Augsburg manufacture, ca 1540.
So yes, I'm going to have to learn to keep the aperture down a bit I think. Though this'll get even more obvious with some of the pictures form the historical museum where I could get a good deal closer with the camera.
IIRC this would be an Arboga-made harness originally intended for duke Magnus, but later re-fitted for a shorter person, likely then-duke Joan.So the great country father, Gustav Vasa, had four legitimate sons.First there's Erik XIV, who suffered various mental health issues, and was deposed after collapsing into full paranoid psychosis. He was imprisoned and died a few years later, according to tradition murdered with arsenic in his pea soup. Modern forensic analysis of his corpse found enough arsenic for this to be plausible.Leading the revolt against Erik XIV had been his oldest brother, who now became king Johan III. He is to have been of a dark mood, prone to religious angst (he appears to have been less than proud of his father turning the place protestant). He married a polish princess, and appears to have been close to his son while perhaps not paying all that much attention to the home front. He did commission a lot of churches to be built though, but getting him to pay for the work was another matter...
Johan III did manage to stay reasonably sane and on the throne for the rest of his life, possibly because the third brother Magnus went proper nuts well before that and so never came to play an important role in things. So after him Sigismund also became Sigismund I of Sweden, a role he doesn't appear to have cared all that much about. And so finally he in turn was deposed by his uncle, Karl IX. This lead to various wars between Sweden and Poland over the following century or so, but nothing ever really came of those.As for Karl IX, he is to have shared his father's rather volcanic temperament. He is to have had a special hammer that he had a go at the walls with when things got a bit too irritating. As far as I can tell his son Gustav Adolf was a bit calmer, but still very much on the fiery side of things.I wonder if repeated heavy blows to the head, due to everyone's love of tournaments, may have played a role in people's character here. Compare with Henry VIII westwards.
Armour made for Erik XIV, 1560s. Likely made in Arboga, and then decorated in Antwerp.
And another of Erik's Arboga harnesses.
Close helmet, German, 1530s.
And dito, a decade later.
Off to the Historical Museum, starting with a broadaxe found on Gotland. As stereotypical as these are for the Vikings they didn't really show up until the late Viking age, and then remained in use for quite some time after it. It's also likely the main ancestor of the halberd.
Most of the Viking age exhibition is very light on dating things, and I think I can count on the audience here to know a spear form a sword, so most of these will be left without comments.
Bowstave.
Slavic style, but found in Birka.
Intentionally destroyed sword form a grave. Might have been to deter grave robbers, might have been to "kill" the sword so it would follow its owner into the afterlife, might have been a bit of both.
Roman iron age.
Viking age again, but from down in the "Gold Room". It's always been a bother to get good photos in there, something about the glass maybe.
The lower guard and the scabbard mouth have been rusted together here, something a few modern replica makers have missed as they instead made the entire thing the guard.
Sallet looted from Trondheim's cathedral by Swedish forces. Supposedly once owned by St Olaf, but unless he was a bit over four centuries ahead of his time there...
The Reliquary of St Elizabeth. Assembled in the 13th century from various old bits and pieces (a byzantine bowl, a pair of old crowns, etc), as well as every gemstone they could get their hand son.
Vendel period stuff. This is the time period immediately preceding the Viking age here in Sweden, corresponding with the Sutton Hoo finds over on the islands (in time, and in many ways in style). Culturally it appears to have been much the same as the Viking age up here, though with more empty space to take up resulting in less stir-crazy rich kids seeking profit abroad (the shift over into the Viking age corresponding roughly to when things had filled up again here after the not so fun times back in the 6th century). The fondness for gold does show us that there was a decent amount of foreign trade going on though, as the good stuff was molten down Roman coins.
To illustrate the cultural consistency with the Viking age, here's a decorative raven figure from a shield.
Moles to burrow deep, or some such.
Gold and garnet pommel.
Stone age
Disc mace and battle axes, the latter copying continental copper axe shapes.
Some amber to fight over.
Bronze age
my favorite history poster on /k/ is back
Casting moulds
>>62846081what are those made of? they're meant for copper/bronze casting, i assume.
A slightly more modern use for copper alloys: a mid 14th century gun barrel.
Somewhat flattened great helm found at Aranäs castle, possibly once owned by a Torgils Knutsson.>>62846085Stone (not sure which, but something that's relatively easy to work and not prone to exploding if rapidly heated seems sensible), and correct.
>>62845337That hat on the lower left: is that padding for wearing under a helmet?
>>62846116I think it's just a hat, helmets had fallen out of use by then.
High medieval battle axe, a good replica of it can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyLpRLgD77A
Greatsword, 14th century or so?
Battle axe (likely intended for a full poleaxe sized shaft), probably well on its way to evolving into the guisarme and then bardiche.
>>62846122Do you perhaps have any pictures (or know any) of historical examples of the Karpus cap which was apparently worn by swedish soldiers of the early 18th centruy? https://warsoflouisxiv.blogspot.com/2008/11/karpus.htmlLink rel: the type of cap I mean.
Shield, 14th century. Probably once owned by either Lyder or Henrik Svinakula.
Finds from the Battle of Visby (1361) mass graves.>>62846171I'm afraid not, wouldn't surprise me if the Army museum has a few lying around, but I've never seen one on display there or elsewhere that I can remember. If you have time to kill you could try searching for hatt or mössa in https://digitaltmuseum.org/Thing/ and browse through the results.
>>62846206Thx for the link :)
Coat-of-plates, once the coat has rotted away. Given the nature of the battle all these items are likely to have been used by the peasant militia.
>>62845333I don't care for the armor, but damn, that horse is stylin'.
>>62846249Is he going to be ok?
>>62846206Kek, Mössa is the magical term that imediately gives the results I wanted.
>>62846256Well, just sleeping it off doesn't seem to be working.
>>62845362This is pretty funny considering it was the equivalent of cosplaying as a roman soldier.
Modern replica of the previous.
>>62846280everyone liked cosplaying as romans, it's basically a tradition
Modern made bascinet, of the kind I guess the mercenary knights fighting on behalf of the Danish king might have worn in the battle.And that's the lot for this time. Next one... will probably not be this year. I'll be off taking pictures somewhere on my vacation in the summer, but well see if anything pops up before then.
Is there anything similar to this and the Dresden Armoury in Japan between Tokyo and Osaka?
Good thread.>>62845393Interesting that nobody nabbed it, considering how long it took before his corpse was found on the battlefield, and that it had been partially stripped. I guess it didn't look "kingly" enough so nobody bothered to loot it?
>>62846337For Tokyo there's the national museum that has a fair amount of stuff, both the typical "samurai" stuff as well as older thigns and some not-Japanese bits. There's also a pair of smaller museums, there's the NBTHK sword museum which focuses on Japanese swords (blades mostly) and then there's the Samurai Museum over in Kabukicho of all places that's perhaps more of a "broad appeal" kind of place, but surprisingly quite decent. I'd also recommend dropping by the Fukugawa Fudo-do temple for one of their fire rituals (IIRC they have one every other hours or so in the daytime). No weapons to be seen really, but quite the spectacle, and Fudo was popular with warriors...Osaka I have no idea. If you have the time you can fall off the shikansen in Nagoya though, their main museum had a few bits of arms and armour when I passed by. Also up in Kyoto there's another branch of the national museum which might have something on display, and the Ii family museum. It's basically just an old Japanese house crammed full of red-lacquered armour. Just be aware that the place doesn't perhaps come across as terribly welcoming at first glance, this is how the entrance looks when they're open. Another day trip from Osaka is Hikone castle, one of few remaining Japanese castles that haven't burnt down and been rebuilt in modern times.
>>62846362Well, the hilt's fully gilded... Might just have ended up half buried in the mud or some such I guess. Had it been taken and later returned for some reason I think I would have heard about it. They did nab his pistols, they're in Dresden nowadays, pic related.
>>62846436Weird to see that haphazard barbed wire. Isn't this a high trust society?
>>62846436Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. I'll have to choose 1 or 2 of these places, because I'm with the girlfriend.
>>62846556In that case I'd say Tokyo National Museum as #1, and the Samurai museum as #2 unless she takes a shine to the bare blades and such they have on display at the national museum, in which case it's off to the NBTHK with you.>>62846512Well, when you have antique armour worth a decent fortune sitting behind an easily-climbed-to window... That said, I have a feeling the owner leans a bit towards the eccentric as well.
hat's off to you KM for posting every museum you visit, these threads are fantastic
>>62845697too valuable for wars at first
>>62846229>>62846237>>62846233any dates on these?
>>62846627Well, all the /k/ related ones. Though admittedly that is the overwhelming majority of my museum visits.>>62846761They happily used swords, so that one sounds a bit odd.>>62846768Last used on the 27th of July, 1361. Considering when the CoP showed up I doubt those shown there predate the 14th century, though there is one that was apparently a converted set of lamellar armour, that one could be a good bit older.
>>62846831Thanks>though there is one that was apparently a converted set of lamellar armour, that one could be a good bit older.That's super cool
>>62846512Japan can get janky as fuck when you get off the beaten path
tack for the pictures desu
>>62845333What camera did you use?
Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued museum progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakn' huge, solid, thick and tight the artifacts can get. Thanks for the motivation to go to museums.
>>62846927Nikon Zf with a Tamron 28-75/2.8 G2
>>62845451
>>62846761Swords were not EDC/utility like that. The value isn't in the materials, it's in having a boning blade and a detail wood tool. My belt knife gets used 100 times a day but if I have to pacify a brownoid I am using something other than my favorite tool.
>>62847003the fuck do you even think you're talking about
>>62847026The reason axes were late to the battlefield was they were awesome every day tools and purpose made weapons did the job for it. Unlike when peasants used their tools because weapons were scarce, they had weapons with one job. If they got lost or broken, you aren't out something you use every single day.
>>62847053...Dane axes are not at all tools and are very much purpose made weapons. Exactly the same as a sword. They serve zero function except as a weapon.Conversely there are plenty of axe finds even before the viking period, just not dane axes. Basically both things you said don't line up with reality.
>>62845697>>62845703TOOL PATTERN AXES>>62845785FIGHTING AXEYou are making a parallel comparison on the wrong axe, but you're also right about the other one.
>>62847139Neither of those axes is suitable for use as a tool.
>>62847160That is the exact blade I've de-branched trunks with for something like 30 years. It's perfect for quartering deer after gutting, and it can scrape the back of a hide nicely.
>>62847202No, it's not, and it's way thinner than any tool axe produced ever.
>>62846939>Show us what you got man.Well, so far... https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4v4c0uwexuyo7/My+Photographs>>62847139>TOOL PATTERN AXESNo, that's very much an axe made specifically for fighting. "These were indeed battle-axes; we cannot confuse them, like the earlier ones, with domestic axes." [Oakeshott, The Archaeology of Weapons]. See also Waldmann, "Hafted Weapons in Medieval and Renaissance Europe".And as far as the basic idea that a tool axe is somehow too valuable for fighting... They'd be much cheaper than a sword, so if you really fear that the tool you keep slamming into tree trunks all day will be harmed by someone's face then you could just buy a second axe for social purposes much more easily than you can buy a sword. So the idea doesn't really hold water even if we stick to the earlier, more multi-purpose axe designs. I'm not really seeing how the "late tot he battlefield" thing is supposed to work here given that we have plenty of battle axes back in the bronze age (possibly even stone age, but I'm not so sure how to tell fighting and tool axes apart back then), and it gets even worse when we remember how precious bronze was.
>>62845333very cool stuff, thanks op
>>62847239A little 16" long axe is never going to be a weapon. It's barely more than a pocket knife. Now that profile is a little thin, but I'm not talking about tree choppers either. I would say I'm wrong in regards to width as flat thin blades are fighting axes.Kabar = murder Buck 110 = toolGiven that humans are involved, your mileage may vary.
>>62847598stfu
>>62847598>A little 16" long axe is never going to be a weapon.Perhaps, but that's hardly what we're looking at with these Viking age broadaxes. Sixty is more like it.
>>62847691I guess I saw the scale differently, at 60" I wouldn't have said any of that.>>62847622needs therapy
>>62848410if you know what you were talking about or googled it this could have all been avoided.
>>62848444Pedantic pederast. Exactly what I was talking about toured out of Roskilde to like 25 museums internationally in a longboat history package.
>>62848488Are you an AI chatbot that's lost or do you just talk like you're drunk and have no idea what's going on all the time?
>>62846270>missing most of their teethWas this a British Volunteer?
>>62845373Do you think she would've pegged him if they had strapons back then?>>62845813>>62845888Love the decorative work on all this stuff.
>>62845333>Checked Fucking awesome thread dude
Tollense battle arrowheads were made in multiple locations in Europe
>>62845373Refined.Elegant.Sexy.Needth you more?
>>62845351post gun
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>>62846005>>62846010love these guys who weren't well connected enough to acquire copper but had enough wealth or skill to get these well-crafted knockoffs.
>>62846512could be for birds to stop them from shitting everywhere considering this looks ghetto as fuck and wouldn't stop fuck all
>>62848804Is it true that not being able to physically bite paper cartridges open was a serious problem for a number of British soldiers?
>>62845451Who wore this armor?
>>62856976It's the same harness as in >>62845428
>>62857052Thanks, based thread.
>>62857052>le chud face
>>62845739>BowstaveWhat?
>>62856733Same with soldiers in the American Civil War. Army regulations stated that a soldier had to have at least one upper and one lower tooth.
>>62857052Link to your last image set?
>>62845460>>62845635>>62845644>>62845687I love armets so much bros..
>>62845428might be the single prettiest full plate armour ever created
>>62846512Japan isn't a high trust society for crimes like that. It's "high trust" because it's highly unlikely anyone will kill you or your kid in the street and if you're in distress someone will help you. Thieves, pickpockets and gropers are abundant however. It's kinda like Europe before the immigrants, people let their kids make multi-hour journeys alone but tourists regularly get their pockets emptied.
>>62845519What's up with the matchlock mechanism on this one?
>>62859254Add a bowstring and you have a bow.>>62860813You'll find the lot at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4v4c0uwexuyo7/My+Photographs with "Sverige - F21" being the most recent one.>>62860851To pick some nits, those are all close helmets. The difference between it and the armet is that here the chin&throat-piece is hinged together with the visor, and raise up together with it to make room for you to get your head in or out. On an armet we instead have a separate "cheek piece" on each side, hinged to the main helmet bowl around each ear, and meeting in the middle in front of your chin. These then open outwards to each side. Pic related.>>62861457It's a combined warhammer and wheellock gun. I suspect that the top knob on it is a plug-in affair currently covering the muzzle.
>>62861620>To pick some nits, those are all close helmets. The difference between it and the armet is that here the chin&throat-piece is hinged together with the visor, and raise up together with it to make room for you to get your head in or out. On an armet we instead have a separate "cheek piece" on each side, hinged to the main helmet bowl around each ear, and meeting in the middle in front of your chin. These then open outwards to each side. Pic related.That's a modern distinction I don't really care much for since I like to read primary sources. In-period the close helmet was considered a natural, technical evolution of an armet and in all contemporary sources you'll find them referred to as armets. Same deal with polehammers and poleaxes; modern distinction that will in my opinion put too much emphasis on the differences. 15th century literature will just refer to them both under the same name and didn't consider the difference very significant; the most important aspect of the weapon was the spike and the weight behind it, with a weighted, blunt striking ability. Honestly it's the equivalent of people in the 25th century deciding to call MBT's with IR optics "Night Battle Tanks" while MBTs without IR optics are just called "Main Battle Tanks". If you then decide to read 20th-21st century documents that distinction will only become confusing.
>>62861766You'll be confused anyway, as the "period nomenclature" isn't a single and well-defined thing, but often varies with the exact time, place, and may be a complete mess even if we define those two parameters quite narrowly. Just look at modern day (so last century or so) naval ship classification, that'll make for a fair few confused readers in the 26th century. Abandoning modern nomenclature outright won't save you from having to keep up with words meaning different things at times, it'll simply mean you'll have to spend a lot more time defining things when you then talk about your findings with your fellow current day people.Now this isn't to say that every aspect of modern day nomenclature is flawless, but in this specific case we do have a distinction based in a reasonably clear and well-defined difference in physical form. If we want to weed things out a bit there are better candidates.
>>62861620>You'll find the lot at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4v4c0uwexuyo7/My+Photographs with "Sverige - F21" being the most recent one.Thanks
>>62845333That armor looks cozy
