B&T is like the firearms equivalent of tesla and elon musk. They are literally lighting the way to a new era of firearms engineering. But is the apc 556 better than the very best ar15?
>>62859709>B&T is like the firearms equivalent of tesla and elon musk.Ahem
Both are shitty designs with short bolt travels, no camming extraction/chambering, no pre-engagement stop shoulder etc.
>>62859841Pls explain these terms. Also, what would you consider to be the best semi rifles out there? Galil ace in 7.62x39?
>>62859709Faggot it’s just an ar-18 derived piston gun it’s nothing fucking newIf a gun is covered in those stupid little retainer screws everywhere it is not to be taken seriously as a weapon
>>62859709Lmfao
>>62859982A long bolt travel widens the weapon's operating window on a given bolt initial velocity thereby mitigating both harsh recoil and short stroking at the same time.Camming extraction and chambering reduces force required for chambering and extracting by providing leverage and also provides a slower extraction velocity.A pre-engagement stop shelf reduces total BCG sliding friction when picking up a round from the magazine.All of these features significantly increase firearm reliability and do not have any downsides other than the fact that many weapons designers don't really even know about them.
>>62859982Never ask noguns for feedback
>>62862041>>62862089?He seems pretty knowledgeable.
The only BT SPC556 I've handled had a broken charging handle right out of the box.
>>62859709Why you insult Musk like that?
>>62859982You again. Shoo shoo, j*w.
>>62863893>Overpriced Swiss HK accessories company whose only decent guns are copied from the Czech and Austrians.>Israeli rifle copied from the Finns copied from the SovietsAR or AK. Do not pass Go and do not collect $200.
>>62859709Stop spamming these threads kike
>>62862041You cannot seriously claim that "many weapon designers" have never seen an AK bolt. Just because primary extraction is not cammed in AR-bolt-style designs doesn't mean the designers don't know about it.
>>62859709>B&T is like the firearms equivalent of tesla and elon musk. They are literally lighting the way to a new era of firearms engineeringB&T designs are low-effort, simplistic, and ugly. Except their bolt action, which was straight up stolen from PGM.
>>62859709Is not bullpup, do not care.
>>62859709The B&T is heavier than most AR-15s, so it's better than the average AR at weighing down a garbage can.
>>62864002Meh. Your hyperbole didnt land. B&t is elon musks type of company.
>>62864262You anti b&t clowns are pretty fucking stupid
>>62859709Why are B&T fanboys even more delusional and uppity than HK ones when the company is nowhere near as good?
>>62864297>B&t is elon muskWhy do you keep trying to tie B&T and Musk together? They're not innovative, nothing they do is groundbreaking (except maybe using the barrel as a rotating delay on the MP9/TP9), and the sleek curves that you see on Tesla and SpaceX designs are nowhere to be found on B&T's blocky unharmonious guns.I'm honestly confused. B&T's guns look like shit.
>>62859709>They are literally lighting the way to a new era of firearms engineering....By making the same AR18 clone everyone else does? No.>But is the apc 556 better than the very best ar15?It might be better than some of the worst ARs. It's nowhere near as good as mediocre ARs.
>>62864310Because B&Tards have the power of contrarianism and faux exclusivity. They think>not a lot of people own these so that means they're super good!Rather than the obvious>nobody uses this rifle because it's no good
>>62863893He is a midwit that is vocal about his mdwit opinions. Like the other anon said, he's directly implying that the AK bolt is some sort of lost technology.
>>62864310Because they spent a shit ton of money to seem cool and instead of sucking their dick for it like reddit would /k/ shits on them for being retarded.
>>62864229If they knew about these obviously beneficial features maybe they would goddamn include them in their designs instead of just overgassing their guns to hell and back and/or adding adjustable gas ports.
>>62862041Damn anon so you're either the smartest gun engineer since Saint Browning or maybe all these things aren't as important as you think they are.Post guns.
>>62859709is the PSA JAKL hands down a better gun than the b&t apc556?
>>62859709Tesla is more like Kel Tec with $1 billion of gov't subsidies
>>62864369>since Saint BrowningActually that would be John Garand and his #1 student Mikhail Kalashnikov
why is every thread nothing but bad faith arguing with google stock images?
>>62864591The industrial revolution
>>62864359>I read about something in a gunsmithing book that pertains to bolt action rifles and/or cases that stick in the chamber, particularly when loaded too hot, and now everything is a nail to the hammer that I found.It's not necessary. Failures to extract aren't that common compared to failures to eject/feed/lockback/go into battery. Even in non-overgassed AR-bolt-like systems, you'll have enough inertia in the BCG to either break the extractor or have case head separation rather than just stopping the BCG in its rearwards stroke because the case won't come out. AKs have it because they knew the steel 7.62x39 would want to stick, especially the lacquered variants. Hence the taper and the camming primary extraction. By extension, all the rifles with AK-like bolts have the same feature.You can look at all the developments of rifles that are AR-bolt based and see that the problem with primary extraction is never a lack of oomph with sticky cases, it's the extractor being too weak either structurally or too weak-powered (hence the O-rings, the center posts, the different extractor springs...)
>>62864301Not stupid enough to buy a Swiss Kel-Tec
>>62859841>>62862041
>>62864709>Failures to extract aren't that common compared to failures to eject/feed/lockback/go into batteryThat's because>failures to ejectFixed by a fixed ejector>feed>lockbackFixed by a longer bolt throw giving the magazine more time to present a round and a wider operating window for BHO>go into batteryFixed by camming chambering>it's the extractor being too weak either structurally or too weak-powered (hence the O-rings, the center posts, the different extractor springs...)It's ridiculous that such clutch fixes are required. The AR extractor design is flawed from the very beginning. Too weak.
>>62859709>B&T is like the firearms equivalent of tesla and elon musk. They are literally lighting the way to a new era of firearms engineering. But is the apc 556 better than the very best ar15?holy fucking shit shut the fuck up. Useless fucking thread made by a useless fucking OP
>>62868274Post your guns, oh wise one.
