So they only had like 4 actually "elite" divisions (LSSAH, Das Reich, Totenkopf, Wiking), right? Seems like the rest was mostly foreign cannon fodder.
>>62870592>totenkopf>elitelollmao even
>>62870592The SS Division Hitlerjugend was quite elite too. Certified Aryan blood.>The division committed several war crimes while en route to and during the early battles of the Allied Normandy landings, including the Ascq and Normandy massacres, and several massacres, arsons and rapes in the cities of Plomion, Tavaux, Bouillon, Godinne, Hun, Rivere, Warnant and Namur.
>>62870592>no Großdeutschland>mentions Wiking for some reasonstick to pol
>>62870635Grossdeutschland is Wehrmacht.
>>62870635>Goes all tryhard adding an ß without actually knowing anything about what he's talking about
>>62870592Yeah the rest took part in anti partisan operations
>>62870605They are why the Canadians would just executue any surrendering Germans for a while.
>>62870597Unmatched kill streak
>>62870597The Totenkopf division was not the same as thw Totenkopf SS. After the first year of the war it was a veteran division.
>>62870635Kill yourself
>>62870592not exactly cannon fodder i think, rest were pretty good too despite being foreign.
>>62870592all the western SS foreign units did well in combat the slavic eastern ones where quite shit
>>62870592>foreign cannon fodder.Not really canon fodder just the problems of late war Axis troops not being adequately trained and varying degrees of willingness to fight due to Hitler’s retarded handling of Foreign collaboration, the Latvians, Estonians, Belgians and French for example fought roughy as well as the average Wehrmacht or SS divisions while others were really only suitable for policing
>>62870763>belgiansgeen zulks ding
>>62870761>the slavic eastern ones where quite shitkek no shit. They were literally being enrolled at gun-point; they did their best to sabotage the motherfuckers.
>>62870592yeah pretty much, take the battle of kursk for an example of it in action.
>>62870692Doubt that. Canadians have ALWAYS been infamous for war crimes.They had to add a bunch of rules clarifying the Geneva conventions specifically because the Canucks refused to stop murdering POWs and enemy wounded in WWI.It got so bad in WWI that Canadians were considered outright subhumans by the Krauts, even the French Colonial troops from Africa were considered more honorable and gentlemanly.To a this reputation for cruelty and war crimes applies to the Germans as well, but at least the krauts stopped doing this shit after WWII.The few times Canadian forces have seen serious combat since WWII have also featured lots of war crimes against prisoners, especially in Korea and Somalia where they frequently raped/tortured random civilians to death.
even SS1-3D got heavy damage every time they fought.even before 1944.could keep their strength?
>>62870777Sure Belgium isn’t a real country but it’s easier to say
>>62870874Sounds about right. My great grandpa fought in France in a unit that was tied to Canadian forces. One of his friends saw a group Canadians push a bunch of German troops into barn and lock them in, then go up into the rafters and just start tossing grenades down at them and watching them run around for fun. This was a group of White and Native Canadians. Someone in my grandpas unit reported it to a Canadian officer and he only got mad about them wasting grenades. Quebecois in France would also torture French collaborators and higher ranked Germans for fun. As far as he knows, zero Canadians ever got in trouble for this and their upper staff thought it was funny.
>>62872101>zero Canadians ever got in trouble for this and their upper staff thought it was funnybased
>>62870874Canada is the sad result of what happens when you mix Anglo and French blood. The internal conflict between their halves drives them to commit acts of outward violence to cope. Very sad.
>>62872101and now they let jeets rape their women for fun and do nothing.the eternal leaf.
>>62870592Love em or hate em this is the most aesthetic military insignia of all time .
>>62870692Based
>>62870592>Totenkopf>eliteThe Totenkopf were mostly administrative pencil pushers and unironic psychopaths who wanted to kill people but were too cowardly for direct combat. The bulk of their responsibilities were managing concentration camps hundreds of miles from the front lines.
>>62870592My grandpa had a pin with this symbol on it. I thought he was an electrician with two awards. Apparently the skull-and-crossbones didn't mean he was a pirate, either.
>>62872126Seems like meme material, like one of those "I have two sides, nice guy and fucked-up maniac" but it's a Canadian.
>>62872126How do we explain the Australian’s bloodthirstiness? The French admixture in the average Aussie is negligible yet they still exhibit the same blood lust and cruelty of the Leaf
The SS wasn't "elite". That's a post-war myth. Before 1943 they mostly did anti-partisan and clean up. Only the Panzer regiments did shit.
>>62872669>all prisoners>have to work the fucked up Island of Australia across the world>the only other native people they meet are aboriginies and SEA
>>62872501He’s talking about the 3rd SS Panzer Division not the camp guards
>>62870592>4 actually "elite" divisions (LSSAH, Das Reich, Totenkopf, Wiking)You forget the 5th division LAPD
>>62870592>Seems like the rest was mostly foreign cannon fodder.The SS was the Nazi's own military organization that wasn't bound by the same rules of the German regular army at the time, like absorbing foreign fighters from conquered territories. It was a way of avoiding domestic political friction.
>>62870874>>62872101The leaf tendency for war crimes makes me wish the Turbot War had escalated. Imagine the kino we would've gotten from that.
>>62870692the point of war is to win, no such thing as "war crimes". only losers bitch about that stuff.
>>62870592Charlamene seemed good
>>62870592The Waffen SS being "elite" is a boomerism invented by pop culture and TV in the 90s-2000s. The Waffen SS was just an adjacent military force to keep in check the political loyalty of the Wehrmacht.
>>62873824The first few divisions were actually 'elite' in that they were all volunter, with high physical fitness standards.Sort of like certain paratroop or mountain divisions..What was ansolutely not elite was their equipment, they often had a hodgepodge of captured weapons.
>>62873996>actually 'elite' in that they were all volunter, with high physical fitness standardsThose high standards all dropped by 40-41 and mostly existed prewar.
>>62870592The Black Hunters got the all time high score for lulz
>>62870592>only had like 4 actually "elite" divisionsyou are forgetting someone...
>>62874095W-what's he going to do with Katyusha?
>>62874095It's funny because he managed to sustain magnitudes beyond 100% losses even when trying to fight barely armed Jews in Warsaw.
>>62874293Not surprising considering that this lunatic über-degenerate and former concentration camp inmate would frequently get shitfaced drunk and gun down his own troops for fun.His brigade was where the krauts sent all their worst scum, those men weren't supposed to survive the war, just inflict as much terror and suffering as possible upon the enemies of the reich before they died.They weren't even supplied with food and uniforms, they were expected to loot and scavenge to obtain such things. The Nazi government did however supply them with plenty of booze and meth to keep them angry and violent.
>>62872101>>62870692and now canada looks like india 2.0 "yutes senpai" and private gun ownership is constantly more and more raped, waiting for the inevitable mass shooting that will be its final nail in the coffin, what happened to all the based ballsy canadians who were willing to kill for fun?>pic because this is totally firearms related
>>62874470holy shit reading this took me back to highschool history class, did they also use the jewish babies as footballs? dont forget the lampshades and death roller coaster lol
>>62874566>There's no way a military with 18 million men could include a few hundred degenerates led by a turbo-degenerate!
>>62874566>reading this took me back to highschool history classyep, keep you guard up. Never believe in what your teachers are telling you. Hail!
>>62874684>>62874718I'm sorry guys I'm just trying to keep up here was all of the "gunning down their own troops" being done before or after they used jewish babies as clay pigeons while smoking meth, or maybe they were doing it all together along with turning them into soap bars? Tight schedule those evil nazis ran! their work ethic was truly unmatched in systematically eliminating innocent people who never did any wrong to others.
>>62870692Day of the Rake when?
>>62870692The perfidious Anglo strikes again.
>>62874566>>62874755Nigger, the Dirlewanger Brigade truly were the worst of the worst. That's not up for debate. Even SS agreed that they were absolute scum.The vast majority of sources for just how fucked up these degenerates were aren't post-war propaganda, the sources are from the German army and other SS units who frequently outright refused to work with the Dirlewanger Brigade because they had such a horrendous reputation.This was an SS penal unit mostly made up of convicts and literal lunatics pulled out of mental asylums, and it was commanded by drug addicted alcoholic child rapist who'd sent to a fucking concentration camp for his crimes, the only reason he didn't get executed for raping underage girls was that he had served with distinction in WWI and was old war buddies with some of the higher up men in the NSDAP.
>>62874755ok, they were certain very strange "leather" objects found in one concentration camp - Buchenwald - like: leather umbrella (umbrellas are just not being made from leather as cloth suits this purpose perfectly fine), a knife sheet without knife in it or, well, small pieces of tanned, tattooed leather. This, combined with rumors that the Germans are using human skin for their "experiments" and the fact that Buchenwald was not a leatherworking facility at least justifies some strong suspicions. It seems that they were only few scientific analyses being done about origin of these materials; some say that the objects were being made of plastic - or animal tissue - but the recent one concludes that it was in fact human skin.In any case, your attempt to brush it off as "absurd" or whatever is WAY off.https://www.buchenwald.de/en/geschichte/themen/dossiers/menschliche-ueberreste/tisch-mit-pr%C3%A4paraten
>>62870592when you grow up from learning history through video games, youll realise there were no elite SS divisions
>>62874950No, it's when you notice that every author of every "le Waffen-SS were le noble warrior supersoldiers" book was an ex Waffen-SS commander, and/or HIAG member.
>>62874919lol, lmfao even
Hitlerjugend which was composed of 16, 17, and 18 year olds held up the best allied forces for a month after dday
>>62875580Well; we did it, and it was a good thing, and we will do it again if necessary.Beat the Krauts that is.
>>62874919If there were ever anyone turning Jews into leather, it would not have been on any appreciable scale. IIRC the people who ran Buchenwald were accused in the post-war trials of having used human skin to make leather for upholstery and lampshades and stuff.Doing actual testing on the lampshade and other items, it was found to be made out of regular cow leather, so that charge was dropped (for what little good that did them).This ties into the soap thing, though that one was more complicated. During the Nazi regime, there were rumors going around Germany that the gov't was turning Jews into soap, probably told as a joke, but it ended up being believed by some. This was caught on to by German officials, who at times played into it by threatening detained Jews with soap bars, claiming they would turn them into soap if they didn't talk, and so on.This didn't have any basis in reality, but at some point, someone had recovered an experiment from a university where some professor had rendered the fat from a study cadaver and turned that into large blocks of soap, and then stored it and forgotten about it.That didn't have anything to do with the Holocaust (it happened many years earlier), but it has been exploited, either for sensationalism or as some sort of argument to try to discredit the idea of it.>>62874755Dirlewanger and his boys were objectively the bottom rung of all the German armed forces, and avowed Nazis from the day were not shy about their distaste for them, both for being shit soldiers and for being composed of various criminal scum who genuinely did sick shit.
>>62874966It was mostly Heer soldiers that name the Waffen-SS as top notch soldiers whose bravery and effectiveness was unquestioned and most felt a sort of relief if they knew Waffen-SS were on their flanks or in their AO. Never heard anything about their awards being "lesser" as the standards for say an Infantry Assault Badge were the same in both the Heer and Waffen-SS. Read some Knight's cross citations and you'll be astounded at what some of those guys did.The SS had some shit units, but those were mostly near the end of the war and foreign units like the Handschar and onwards, but the 1-12 SS divisions were pretty top notch.https://youtu.be/Li_2NscTmVw
>>62876136>It was mostly Heer soldiers that name the Waffen-SS as top notch soldiers*citation neededThe SS were generally fanatically brave, but that often just lead them to making suicidal charges against the strongest parts of the enemy line (anything else would be dishonorable). That's not good soldiering, and not an effective way to fight.Regular German army units were usually more effective than the SS. A fact that made the SS and the Nazi party seethe with nuclear rage at multiple occasions.
>>62876158>The SS were generally fanatically brave, but that often just lead them to making suicidal charges against the strongest parts of the enemy line (anything else would be dishonorable). That's not good soldiering, and not an effective way to fight.According to who? Since when were the SS literally suicidal?
>>62876206It's not that they were literally suicidal, it's that they believed in their own superiority to such a degree that they engaged in assaults that no sane people would, confident that they were going to win.This phenomenon was most clearly evident with the 2nd and 12th SS Panzer divisions at Normandy.Against all conventional wisdom of war, they'd attack the strongest parts of the enemy lines repeatedly and get absolutely butchered every time.
>>62874095At least post a better pic of the Dripwrangler
>>62870597Why are you confusing the 3rd Panzer Division with the Totenkopfverbände? because they both had the skull insignia on the collar tabs? motherfucker did you forget about the Waffenfarbe and cuff title differences?
>>62870635>Großdeutschland>SS
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>>62872168It's super gay that the USA has the 2nd amendment and allowed a fraudulent election without firing a single shot
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>>62874919The holohoax never happened kid
>>62870605>being elite means raping random French peasants
>>62870605What do you do when the gang of 16/17 y/o rapists rolls into your town?
>>62870640Real niggas remember when it was Wachregiment Berlin
>>62877701>>62877801you never disappoint
>>62877681see:>>62875731
>>62874095>>62876704This post approved by Dwirl Gang Real Niggas Do Real Thangs
>>62874834>>62874919>>62875911>>62875731wah wah wah less crying please, this is why you guys lost the election people are tired of muh evil yahtzees nobody fucking cares about muh holocaust
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>>62872669prisoners and abbo dna
>>62878357You dimwits are getting lost in your own narrative. Firstly, Trump is no "fascist" and secondly, your /pol/ HQ threads were quite supportive of Kamala kek
>>62870592Unironically the point of the Waffen SS was for the Nazis to establish a warrior caste with the Waffen SS being elite divisions made up of men who incorporated spiritualistic warrior based ontology into their belief. They were highly trained, motivated, and willing to go all the way. As the war progressed it became more about just survival but the OG Waffen SS units were effectively the Crusaders/Jihadists/Samurai of the Nazi regime. You can also see this with guys like Himmler attempting to create a new Priest class with all the Black Sun shit to give them a base to go off of. Obviously this post will be memed because /k/ is gay and nuance can never exist but that's effectively what they were. To make it even more cringe but true, I'll even link a video by a certified Youtube essayist who has a track record for being both very right and very wrong a lot, so I guess I'll let you be the judge:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_5rRVkfHz0&t=2479s
>>62878601>OG Waffen SS units were effectively the Crusaders/Jihadists/Samurai of the Nazi regime.They were brainwashed fanatics. duh
>>62878357Oh, don't mistake, I don't like the Democrats, and I certainly do NOT like Israel, my position is that One Holocaust Does Not Justify Another. I say this as someone who doesn't like Palestinians either.>>62878401>your /pol/ HQ threads were quite supportive of Kamala That's embarrassing and pitiful.
>>62878358heh
>>62878708Yeah. They weren't elites but essentially political fanatical berserker attack dogs that can be useful once in a while if you don't care about casualties and loss of equipment. They get their "elite" image due to getting the best new weapons and spiffy uniforms.
>>62873514I hope you get disembowled
>>62881541Can't forget the PR team hyping them up.
>>62878601>were effectively the Crusaders/Jihadists/Samurai of the Nazi regimeI can even admit that they were very, very dedicated larpers, but larpers nonetheless. All that esoteric stuff is just there to attract guys with more testosterone than braincells and nothing more, and never could become something more, but maybe in the end it never really needed to be anything more and Himmler was just another crachead retard amongst nazi leadership.
>>62881541>best new weaponryWaffen-SS notably used outdated hand downs, foreign equipment and other random bullshit.
>>62881672Correct. For instance the Waffen SS didn't ever get the MP38 or MP40 (at least not in any appreciable numbers), because the Wehrmacht was busy getting all the ones produced, so fuck off and get your own. Thus why the SS would largely end up procuring various of the less advanced and more expensive wood stocked SMGs which saw smaller production in Germany at the time, as well what could be sourced abroad from occupied territories, or friendly territories where they could buy them.Generally speaking, not even bad guns, full-auto 9mm is full-auto 9mm and they all did what you needed SMGs to do (some had better magazines even), but they weren't these fancy modern ones with folding stocks and available in the same less expensive abundance. That's something that really matters for warfare, naturally.
the thing that made the SS "elite" is that they could be relied on to get the job done no matter the cost.they would take and hold ground no regular Heer unit would because it would cost them too much. A unit you can trust to cover your ass or plug a gap and keep it up until they where dead or out of ammo. And they managed to do this while still taking at least as heavy a toll on their enemies.it isn't a quality valued when you are used to just blowing up everyone with overwhelming firepower. But when you are going up against a peer that always manages to concentrate forces where you least expect or desire them.They are a priceless asset for any commander that has them under them.That being said more often than no their supreme commander was a retard and waisted the advantage they gave their lives to claw out.Like the Cherkassy–Korsun pocket where the SS broke in and then later out again. The chance for a safe and orderly evacuation having been wasted.
>>62874012Timeframe is more 42-43, and it really dropped throughout 4 when they simply took whoever showed up.
>>62876722>>62870744>>62870597You are all retards, the division is indeed originally drawn from camp guards, which initially has a really HIGH standard of discipline since you don't want your guards to do shit like raping prisoners. The of the division's excellent combat performance reflect on that high quality manpower. Of course the guys that replace them in camp guarding duties weren't so high quality. >>62870592Not really, even the Dirlewanger Brigade is actually pretty good by objective standard, they still punched above their weight. I think the fascinating about the German and western europe formation of the SS is that they regularly punch above their weight, not necessarily elite, but simply outperformed the same units with similar manpower and equipment.
>>62877076Did nothing wrong
>>62884517If they're going to kill 6,000,000 of them in giant wooden pizza ovens, why bother training them not to rape the prisoners?
>>62884517>since you don't want your guards to do shit like raping prisonersYeah, that's what the Dirlewanger Brigade was for!>Not really, even the Dirlewanger Brigade is actually pretty good by objective standard, they still punched above their weight.Elaborate on this.
>>62884576The concentration camps were ORIGINALLY the nazi's equivalent of commies reeducation camps, only unlike the commies whose reeducation camps were basically death camps, they actually did the reeducating part (basically turning commies into good national socialists) , and most of the concentration camps inmates were released back to society (this is before the entire jew thing of course which happens close to the war outbreak). After concentration becomes a jew holding cell + freaks + foreign peoples, I supposed they care less about the quality of the guards. >>62884577Well if you consider the western armies to be competent/veteran from fighting insurgencies, then the same applied to Dirlewanger's. That being said they are basically the ww2 equivalent of Prigozhin's Storm Z convict batallions. They have a cadre of relatively well disciplined NCOs and officers drawn from the OG poachers and various transfers from other units, with the bulk of grunts being well meat. Their combat performance is somewhat on par to Wagner led Storm Z units. Notably on Warsaw, they achieve all their objectives compared to other german units, albeit with very heavy casualties (sounds familiar?). When facing soviet maneuver units of course they were crushed (what do you expect of even the most competently led storm z units when facing a ukrainian armored brigade), though even then not immediately.
>>62884576the OG concentration camps where for political prisoners after the Reichstag fire.You'd need fanatics to guard people that made thier living convincing people of their ideals. But you don't want your fanatics to fanatics to do standard fanatic things like beating, torturing ect your prisoners. Because people know them, people care about them and they get frequent visits.Pretty much all of pre-war german non nazi politicians survived the war being kept in camps. One of the reasons that Germany was able to rebound was that most of the opposition members of the elite survived the war. Most of Hitler et all's political killing was within their own party.
>>62878708Just like SEAL Team 6, Spec-Ops, or any other elite unit the U.S uses.
>>62884834Special units don't even need to be kept on some short leash as they are generally extremely disciplined; they fulfill specific orders to the letter and that's it. Ideologically motivated forces will go extra ten miles to please their leaders - or satisfy their instincts under the guise of it - and without being constrained by higher command. That's why I would insist that Hitler still bears full responsibility for all actions of his subordinates btw; it was his job to know and a moral obligation to stop it.
>>62874549cry harder faggot
>>62887213Why shouldn't he be upset with the state of Canada?
>>62884677The concentration camps are internment camps intended for deportationThe Jewish Question wasn't a German peculiarity but it was literally widespread on Europe
>>62889017>The concentration camps are internment camps intended for deportationThis was always an adhoc cope in post.
>>62881672>>62883252The "better" units (Das Reich, LSSAH, etc.) only used them very early on in the war (roughly 1939-40), mainly being equipped with Czech weapons. By 1941-42 they were being armed with German weapons. The "lesser" units, especially ones meant for anti-partisan warfare, did use foreign weapons until the very end. Some foreign units were more valued than others, for example Wiking division recieved German weapons right from the start. Pic related, Finnish volunteers of the Waffen-SS, who served in the Wiking Division, returning home in 1942. You can see that their standard rifle was the Kar 98K.
>>62889108Another picture of Finnish Waffen-SS volunteers, their armament consists of two MG-34's, and at least two of the men in the back row have MP-40's.
>>62889108>>62889121For comparison, here's some SS security troops in either Italy or possibly Northern Balkans, armed primarily with Beretta M38 SMGs and at least one MP-28.
