The FN FAL is a piece of shit and here is why.
It is pretty clear that the FAL is a shit design when the subsequent rifle design of FN, the FNC was a complete departure.
It's a hot piece of iron so I'll allow it.
Fake & gay, AFU guys swear by FALs and choose it over AKs any day of the week, as pointed out by the shitty translation here >>62870994
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FAL's are shit, the two DSA FALs I've shot both were 4-5 MOA guns and have constant hiccupsPTRs and C91s meanwhile never have issues and have a respectable 2-3 MOA with the worst fucking .308 ammo
>>628711464-5 moa is unironically all you need
>>62871157it just feels bad spending $1500 on a .308 and it only being 4-5 MOA and not even as effective at range as a much cheaper AR-15
>>62870891Just as the AR15 has proven to be the supreme intermediate caliber rifle design, the AR10 was always the supreme battle rifle design.
>>62871157For an iron site gun, sure. But my God, literally missing the entire torso past 300y through no fault of the shooter is maddening given the prevalence of robust magnified optics.
Back when I was in the army, the Australian SLR was well regarded and the military reports used to state that during testing at 100m it'd deliver 3" groups and at 300m it'd have 6" groupsOtherwise they were reliable and didn't have any real reliability issues. They are really heavy fuckers though.In terms of use + accuracy when given to average soldiers they performed just fine, its not a marksman's rifle and nor was it ever intended to be that but its also hardly rubbish either.
>>62871359>at 100m it'd deliver 3" groups and at 300m it'd have 6" groupsTypo, or did the ADF reverse isekai rifles from a video game where rifles get more accurate the further away the target is?
These are things that have been known forever and people are acting like it's some revelation. They are cool and if you never intend on making it a precision rifle, it doesn't matter.
>>62870891>I'm a retard that thinks every self-loading rifle chambered in .308 *needs* to be a tack driver.>I am wholly unfamiliar with firearms history and don't understand what Early-Cold War Era firearms design emphasized, nor whyYou're gonna lose your shit when you find out how accurate the average rack-grade M-14 was.
>>62870891Great post since it's wrong from the get goNow, sand and cold weather it doesn't like, that much is true. The rails the bolt carrier rides on are so tightly machined you'll really feel every single piece of grit that ends up in there
>>62871388Typo probably, I have an Aussie myself and it can probably deliver 3 MOA-ish consistently, at 100m and 300m both
>>62870891>proof: facebook postDid you post that yourself and you want people to give you pats on the back here? And why post all that bullshit when you can just say the truth: the FAL has no forward assist so it makes common jams hard to solve, which is the real reason the IDF didn't like it and why they made a forward assist for it.And the false supposed lack of DMR FALs is because the dust cover can't hold zero not because of inaccuracy. DMR FALs circunvent this.
>>62870891>1 updoot >1.1 views No one agrees with you, Thouglas. Go post your shit PSA AR elsewhere nigger.
>>62871510The difference is that at this point nobody's pretending that the M-14 wasn't shit.
>>62870891This is why I sold mine.if I'm paying $1/shot i want it to go where I point the piece of shit.My FAL was a 3-4 MOA gun. This I will tolerate for a $300 romanian AK I bought back in 2002, but most certainly not from a 308 platform. I had the heavy barrel, and JARD trigger at 4-pounds, no the 12-15 pound retardo-trigger.The final straw for the FAL was its inability to run 80 rounds suppressed without gumming up. It became an unreliable shitbox after a few mags.Sold it, hope its new owner is happy with it.
>>62871157yeah if you like missing a lot and enjoy turning rounds of FGMM 168s into noise.
>>62871311this is why I gave up and replaced the FAL with a gun that legit prints 1/2" groups with FGMM 185 grainers and 3/4" groups with AAC 175 grain ammo.
>>62870994fpbp
>>62871911>the dust cover can't hold zeroFalsehoods, there's practically no play in the cover and it seats the same every timeSimilarly I'm sure there are AK covers that can hold zero just fine
>>62871997>My FAL was a 3-4 MOA gunWhat ammo? If you're using shit to mediocre ammo you'll get that sort of accuracy but you shouldn't expect sub 2 MOA even with tailored loads
>>62870994N-no that fat mexican on youtube told be that AKs are the best rifles...
>>62870994Warms the heart to see the FN FAL in action in the 2020s
>>62870891>4moa gunSo like everything else invented back then? The milspec accuracy for the M-6 is also 4moa. Assault rifles didn’t become tack drivers until magnified optics and free float rails became commonplace.
>>62872106I tried everything. FGMM 168s were running 3 MOA, and I gave up after that.
>>62872145Possible that you got a shit rifle but I find they don't like heavy bullets like 168s at all. Around 150 grs, even 123 is better
>>62870891>Designed in 1940s>Used by almost no one todayWho gives a shit. People buy them because they're cool and fun. If you bought an FAL as a primary weapon any time in the last three decades you're dumb, but if you're emotionally invested in G3 vs FAL vs M14 shit in 2024, you're genuinely retarded. Granted I'm only a mid-tier surp fag, but do you think I actually care if my SVT is as good as my Garand? My SMLE is as good as my G98? They're all fucking relics, move on.
>>62871193I spent less than $1500 on an Aero Precision LR-308 and it's sub-1 MOA with SMKs
>>62872170That's my point, all FALs are shit accuracy.I've yet to see one shoot well. 3 MOA was best I could do with good ammo, a 10x IOR scope and 4 pound trigger.
>>62872441Mine does 2-ish with good ammo but consistently with irons I could probably do 3. It's a military rifle from the 1950s, they weren't exactly designed for laser accuracy. If you don't like them for what they are then they're obviously not for you
>>62870891Ireland has a DMR FAL
>>62872539So did Canada in small numbers. I have the dust cover from one but no mount or scope
>>62872279Hey now, as a card carrying member of the M14 Internet Defense Force I take great exception to that.The G3 can still hang with modern rifles.
>>62872099Yes there are FAL and AK covers that can hold zero. None of them are the standard ones straight from the factory. Why you think the FN-designed scope mount is basically a different cover?
Any OP that's just a screencap of something on a social media website should result in an instant ban.
I thought my PTR was a lemon because it wouldn’t cycle anything even with the bolt gap being well within spec. Turns out I just wasn’t shooting it enough to move past the ~500 rd break in. Once I hit that, what do you know, it feeds anything just fine and the iron sights work so well that I end up taking off the optics I try on it. Came very close to selling it, quite glad I gave it some time and a few trips out to the family cottage in rural country. Shooting indoors under time constraints is no way to put a rifle through its paces and set up for long distance shooting.
>>62871146DSA has been garbage for longer than most people posting here have been alive. The only good guns they ever made were the ones with basically brand new Austrian parts kits assembled on LMT made receivers about 25 years ago. They haven't even been able to make a functional FAL magazine in all this time for fuck's sake.
>>62872137Mil-spec for acceptable accuracy for the M-14 was like 8MOA and many of those rifles couldn't even achieve that.
>>62871146>DSAThere's your problem.That's like saying all AKs are shit because US-built century arms AKs with cast bolts and trunions suck ass.
>>62870891dumb nigger has no idea what he's talking about
>>62870891Based. G3 mogs it in every single way. AR10 mogs both.
>>62871193>1500>a lotstop being poor
>>62871930>Using redditors as a measure of truthEat 7.62, faggot retard nigger.
>>62875897what's that gas system?
>>62875922stg58
>>62872962>None of them are the standard ones straight from the factory. Why you think the FN-designed scope mount is basically a different cover?But... they work literally the same. All of them are slid onto the dust cover rails like any other.
>>62875930Some have tightening screws to lock them in place but yeah, pretty much.
>>62875898>AR10 mogs both.Unless it gets cold or wet.In which case the G3 is king.
>>62875939>a spec of dust gets into the receiver
>>62872170>123 grWhy even use a .30 then?
>>62876003I'm not saying that's what you should use, just that that's what I have found works too
>>62875864I've resigned myself to the fact that FALs are essentially cursed a long time ago. Unless you get an actual factory built pre-ban you're just rolling the dice no matter who builds it.
>>62870891>muh right arm of the free worldyea, no, the fal was just the only rifle they could get imported with all the embargoes, and that's the truth, it's a piece of shitif you want real rhodie hours, just get a fucking ak, or a g3 if you're not a bitch weaklingleave the fals in the trash
>>62878246There are plenty of century imports around still. My FAL is an Argentine import.
>>62870891Better than the M-14, especially in the intended .280 British.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mby4hOq-DpI
Can confirm that FAL doesn't work in the cold.This is not specific to FAL nor anecdotal, so it should be more impartial than passionate opinions from haters/lovers.
>>62878348I don't think I have ever seen a non-Para model in these tests but neither do I think it would make much of a difference.
>>62878246Damn, I guess being a Eurofag is actually pretty cool on occasion.
>>62878448Ew that's worse pricing than AmericaMine cost me €400
>>62878471Yeah, unfortunately guns are quite expensive here. It's mostly because the licensing system is retarded and the cops who are supposed to process licensing paperwork usually just sit around drinking coffee and jerking off all day instead of doing their jobs. That means gun retailers need to put pretty hefty mark-ups on their goods just to break even.
>>62878476But I'm from Österlandet and our cops do the same
>>62878448>being a Eurofag is actually pretty cool on occasionon occasion, yes
>>62870994fippity bippityif anyone by the way has content showing the FN FAL in use in ukraine, or content of ukrainians discussing its' use, please share as I am extremely curious.
>>62880820bump because I want this still
>>62880820>>62883804TAB did it https://youtu.be/93eCS5v1cRs?si=DkJ3pv33dgxON9Qm
>>62884413I love you anon
