Irrelevant. You don't take cities anymore.

>>62877877
>to take these?
Cities don't produce shit but paperwork so carpet bomb the fuck out of them.

at least tell us what you found on the gay ass #creators blog you got the pic when you googled New York vs LA, you spamming dipshit. which one is better for my sex in the city lifestyle, fag?

https://creatorsnetwork.co/new-york-vs-l-a-which-is-a-better-city-for-creators/

>>62877899
Ny was an easier experience for quick fucks. I was there 2 weeks more than LA though

>>62877899
Wow someone used Google images to copy n paste a picture. That must mean it's le spam
Take your meds.

>>62877877
Can some knowledgeable anon weigh in on the state of mind of the people who make these moronic threads? I keep trying, but failing, to make sense of this womanish behavior again and again.

>>62877932
>>62877899
We get it you're triggered over a question that wants to compare urban combat in a high rise city vs urban sprawl.
Did OP bump off your discord sponsored thread off page 10?

>>62877937
no, you actually had a blue-on-blue. you slid this off the 'log: >>62865995

>>62877943
I don't see how a thread about Naval shit is related to this.
Meds. Now.

>>62877954
seething
frothing
champing and chittering and chirruping so

>>62877886
>t. SEETHING flyover faggot
Next time you need anything that isn't a plant or banging two rocks together, be grateful lol

>>62877974
Yes that's what you're doing.

>>62877877
Some sort of mass elimination method. A nuclear weapon would be effective but cataclysmic and would ruin the prize. Chemical weapons would be messy and leave behind a toxic mess. Plus, professional military forces defending it would have countermeasures. What if you released 50 million mass-produced, heat seeking, mosquito sized drones each containing a stinger with a lethal dose of poison to seek out and kill all living, human sized objects. That would perhaps be the cleanest method, relatively speaking. Capturing a modern major city through traditional bombardment and infantry fighting would be an enormous and highly wasteful endeavor.

>>62877877
>Which urban city would be the hardest for an army to fight
The one with the best access to fresh water and food.

>How exactly would you fight to take these?
By cutting off the fresh water and food.

>>62878521
its urban sprawl vs high rise city like>>62877937
said.

>>62878530
Then it comes down to time scale, ROE and forces, high rises with time to prepare defences could easily turn themselves into the grain elevator of Stalingrad making for months of fighting for a single building.
The catch is if you have air superiority and are allowed to flatten the city a dozen JDAMs turn each tower into a pile of rubble filled with corpses.

If you mean trying to capture them without destroying them the best option is open lanes for civilians and POWs while you cut all supplies and wait a couple of months.
You'll still need to clear building to building but the vast majority will be empty.

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>>62877993
>baseddev in tears as he retaliates to no effect
Kinda embarrassing.

>>62877993
ah, yes, the famous times square concrete factories
a world renowned modern wonder
love seeing them as a kid, very inspiring

fucking dumbass

>>62878577
>pic
Sudden abpea nostalgia
Now those were good times

Weird thread, wonder why it was made.

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>>62877877
>10 million casualties

>>62877993
LOL post gun with timestamp.

>>62877886
A post-industrial economy is one of the major indicators that a country has reached developed status.

>>62878516
A city is worthless without its population. Sure you can "extract" some of the wealth by robbing some jewellery stores or banks, but that's a finite resource. At least compared to a city with a few mil in population, which will work and grow in reasonable environment.

>>62877877
bomb the water treatment plant and local power substations and the warehouses for supervalu
let the locals figure out the rest

>>62877877
kowloon

>>62878516
At this point there is very little point capturing the city.

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Occupation is stupid, just use area denial with chemical weapons after a sustained bombing campaign.

>>62877877
Any texan city other than houston

>>62878677
yes, but offices can be easily relocated and don't need special infrastructure
the value of a location is largely based on the population and property prices, not their raw product output
it's much more difficult to replace an industrial city with a lot of high tech factories and massive supply chains

>>62877877
>urban city
> "urban"
> "city"
Are these "urban cities" located anywhere near the "rural countryside?" Asking for a friend.

Surround the city then let everyone in it starve to death

>>62879051
this, it's not sexy but it works

>>62879051
History has proven this to not be very effective, somehow. I hope you like waiting years.

>>62877993
Chicago has more military value than Manhattan

>>62879179
It’s very effective. Germans couldn’t get it done at Leningrad because they never actually fully encircled the city

>>62877877
Shell it until it's rubble, then surround it and wait for everyone to starve/give up.

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>>62879179
History didn't have cities as retarded and vulnerable as modern ones.

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>It's another thread in which economically illiterate, high school dropout flyover shitskins who have never made more than $80K in a year seethe and vent about their city & coastal superiors

Why do flyover chimps have to do this every week? I get that you all have a chip on you shoulder but is this kind of impotent seething ever productive?

>>62877877
Out of the two, NY has more logistical problems for the attacker.

>>62877877
Assuming
>the enemy you're fighting is reasonably competent and determined
and
>you can't just flatten the city with bombs
then the hardest would probably be urban monstrosities like tokyo or the eldtrich megacities of east china. Stuff like that would be fucking impossible to fight through without resorting to just glassing the place
>how would you do it
Probably just what we did in iraq desu

If there’s one thing the internet has taught me, the same people who cry when they don’t get gibsmedats from the city folk after a natural disaster somehow think that modern rural communities of 2000 or less can survive in a vacuum.

>>62879179
>History has proven this to not be very effective
Literally the opposite

>>62879179
retard.

food would be gone in 3 weeks.
they would eat each other after.

old cities had large grain stockpiles.

now cities rely on just-in-time economics.

I'd say it'll depend more on terrain than sprawl personally. Los Angeles is mostly Sprawl but the mountains are going to be a bitch to attack

>>62877993
Tell us about what you do for work then.
I don't care how much you make, what kind of house or car you have, or anything else like that. I only want to know what you actually DO when you're at work.

>>62881412
I work in marketing. Youre proba ly some factory faggot loser

>>62882254
>marketing
Yeah I did this in college. Totally cool knocking doors and selling people shit they don’t need. Now what do you actually do?

>>62877877
I don’t think taking a large, dense city would be soldiers slowly going through each building and clearing each room of each floor. It’s cool to imagine that and it reminds me of Half Life, but an army would more likely just move through the streets and if they take fire from a building, shoot back and possibly level the building. Do that until you take the whole city.

Unless you’re fighting China in one of their 20 million person cities, there probably isn’t going to be a squad of soldiers in every building. Maybe you want to take a few key buildings just to put some of your own guys in there with ATGM, MANPADS, and snipers, but not every building. Maybe the enemy has snipers in most buildings, but I don’t know what to say to that.

>>62882269
prostitution

>>62882291
it would be suicidal for them to assault a city like that head on we've seen the results of battles over small tiny cities in ukraine. just encircle, blockade, and bomb it into submission.

>>62882387
bakhmut had a pop of 70,000 pre war which is 20,000 short of trenton nj a city with noting it in but urban sprawl and poor black people

>>62882269
I did bumps for adult swim, now i put niggers in your commercials and fags on your bilboards.

>>62882482
the main plan for khrakiv was to encircle , the fighting int he city was done to better the russian position for an encirclement.they didnt have the strength to accomplish anything in the region.if ti had been a more "traditional russian assault" like w've seen in this war it would take them 4-5 years and cost 2-3x the casualties as bakhmut. they would never risk it.

>>62882254
Like I thought, some useless judaic thing.
I work in a hospital btw. Not quite as "glamorous" as you and certainly doesn't pay as well but I enjoy it alot.
So tell me, what is it about marketing that you view as being important? What separates you from a factory worker? Again, this is not concerning pay. I want to know why you're more important for society than a factory worker or farmer or something like that. And try to avoid the name calling next time. It makes you look insecure.

>>62877877
chicago

>>62877877
If we talk about navigation, then some place in India, like Bombay, those cities are like fucking zoos.

If we are talking about on terms of armament, probably Miami, between the gangs and military bases all around the city.

>>62882393
how do you plan on sieging Trenton when it's smackdab between NYC and Philladelphia?
Thinking on it something like Dallas-Ft Worth would probably be the 'easiest' to siege out, it's on a flat plain surrounded mostly by mostly flat plains. For now at least, it's starting to hit the hills to the West, the northern extent of growth will hit the Red River and start moving along the river soonish, and the eastern extent of the city will hit the swamp/forests on the rivers that feed into the Mississippi river once those start driving growth elsewhere.

>>62877877
the worst urban cities would have to be the one with the narrowest roads. lots of differences in elevation, irregular infradtructure, narrow alleys for plenty of ambush, and a very highly armed populace, and an experienced police force. So somehow, if you can convince city slickers to actually hold a gun, theyd be decently hard to siege. Id say that the toughest in the world right now is hypothetically Rio, but for an actually difficult urban setting that has recently seen fighting itd have to be gaza.

>how to take these

without carpet bombing it or evacuating civilmians?
take over key infrastructure. police HQ, hospitals, airports, power generators, etc. block by block take every stronghold that would be required to organize a proper resistance. Beat the organized resistance. Set up a government and police force enaft martial law and spend at least thousands of soldiers to help police and occupy the city.

>>62877877
Destroy the roads leading in and out of the city. Then set up a perimeter making sure nothing gets in or out whether by land, sea, or air. Starve them all.
>but that's just a modern day castle seige
Yea, and?

>>62877877
LA
its too damn big, no one is letting you fuck up long beach harbor, its within like 20 minutes of flight time of 2 of the largest airbases and even if you were to magically "surround" LA, everyone there already hates each other and is used to being fucked in the ass daily by the govt of california, not having food or power is a small inconvenience, worthless eastcoasters like "guys we fucked" podcast girls and NYC dave portnoy faggots like >>62880799 will shit and piss themselves by the 4th day at the mere contemplation of not being able to stuff their fat sack of shit faces with pizza

Quito would be pretty horrific

>>62878966
cities still contain the factory workforce. A lot of the post-industrial service industry is basically just the supportive industry that evolved around the actual factory (i.e. restaurants, cinemas, barbershops, etc.)
Additionally, cities are still transport hubs. They tend to crop up around logistical keypoints. So losing a city still means losing an important transport node that can't easily be replaced.

Them being logistically important is why every city is a city. It's why the economy focused on that specific point for people to congregate there. A point that is resource rich but has bad logistic potential will remain relatively small and instead bring their goods to a place with good logistic potential which will then receive most of the good's value (big reason why the US South barely made any money from cotton... but the North did. Because the North had the logistics to process and export it, the South didn't. New York City made about 93% of all the export money of cotton)

>>62883131
>cities still contain the factory workforce.
aat one point this was the case in the u.s but not anymore. our manufacturing is dead which is why our cities become crime filled hellholes filled with minorities. tretnon got brought up in thsi thred, look at trenton int he 1950s versus today its insane. one of the biggest manufacturing hubs in the country and a legitimate city to nothing.not even a single hotel within the entire city of trenton

>>62877877
Medieval siege tactics. Cut the rails, cut the roads, chop off water and electricity and fuel and food, make the survivors strike terms, let them leave.

>>62877877
>How exactly would you fight to take these?
It's greatly depends on force that is defending city and how much advantage you have.

>>62882811
Maybe the Brazilians have the most expertise in this regard since they have those favelas to deal with

>>62880799
>>62880902
Much like turd worlders, browns, and vatniks cope with poverty by wishing for the collapse of the west, flyover vermin nurse their bitterness and frustrations with life by fantasizing about the collapse of cities, because the mere existence of big cities is a knife-twisting reminder that there is more to life than being some poor, incest-child retard living in a town where there is little to look forward to other than meth lab explosions and collecting gibs. Kek, we have our own internal 3rd world in this country, and It's flyover land.

It's a bleak existence, but such is life when you're a flyover.

>>62884559
>>62880799
>>62880902
>flyover
post gun with timestamp

>>62882254
>I work in marketing
You are a ditch digger the moment the power goes out.

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>>62877883
>>62877886
>The actual state of /k/
A single infantry division has hundreds of trucks running constantly through lines of communication just to sustain itself on a daily basis during combat operations, if not in the low thousands. An entire field army would have tens of thousands. Roads matter, big roads matter. Roads go to cities. Cities become central nodes of lines of communication. Therefore one must take cities in order to maintain the lines of communication to sustain the fight. It is straight up pants on head retarded to think that you can just "drive past" a city.

>>62877883
Cities still need water, which modern developments have made easier to otherwise render inoperable.

>>62886137
This is how Russia thought if they moved light infantry vehicles and tanks into Kiev that they would get the capture or raze city option pop up

>>62883139
Anon, as someone who's lived on both sides of the country - trust me when I say that the city dynamic of New Jersey and the mid-Atlantic is not representative of the whole country.

>>62880772
I thought traditional Catholicism was more popular than Protestantism nowadays

>>62886042
You're a ditch digger because you can't get any other job.

>>62886137
we litterally have divisions of soldiers for sole purpose is to build anything the headquarters demand and you are telling me building a road is too much of a challenge for them ?
bitch please, are you aware that all major cities have shit tons of roads on the outside that could easily be connected ?
you can bypass a city, you can erase it from the map, you can even oblirate it so hard it turn into a hole filled with water, it litterally won't change shit

can Flyoverfags and Cityfags kiss and make up already?

>>62886563
I'm an engineer, I didn't waste daddy's money on a useless degree. Should have studied harder and become a financebro you retard.

>>62886580
Cleaning outhouses in flyover states isn't engineering you subhuman.

>>62882254
My Sister has a BS in Psychology, she works in marketing.

>>62886597
You wish you could even come close to a sanitation engineer's salary, you make like 45k a year scamming boomers.

>>62886598
I'm glad that you and your sister(also doubling as your wife and biological aunt) have such a loving relationship.

>>62886613
Of course you work in marketing, you have no creativity.

>>62886605
I understand that $45K a year is record-setting income over in your flyover hell, but I made even more than that as a intern while in undergrad.

>>62886615
Yes, because wind chimes made out of old meth pipes is what you consider creativity.

>>62886616
Should have studied harder because you seem to have misunderstood my post, make sure you report to Mr. Vishnu at 7am sharp buddy those phones don't ring themselves.

>>62886629
You envy Indians for shitting on scenic roads instead of rundown outhouses like you.

>>62886645
And like that the brown skin reveals itself

>Call center pajeet bragging about living in a city
lmao

>>62886647
Of course it does. It collects gibs to survive and gets angry at the sight of skyscrapers and the thought of cities.

>>62886577
>men kissing
You'd like that, wouldn't you, city boy?

>>62886770
Yeah. That recreational unclefucking stuff that you flyovers do you can keep to yourselves.

>>62886777
That's Canadians, dummy
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sJ3p8luJmrA

>>62886574
>he thinks he can drive thousands of heavy trucks on a daily basis on a single lane dirt road
lol, lmao, top zoz

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New York is almost all island and it has a water source. It's also a deep water port that never freezes. Manhattan especially would be a hell of a nut to crack; the smallest water crossing would be from the Bronx and the island is hillier up there.

I'm not a local so correct me if I'm mistaken, but the whole thing screams fortress. Maybe if you snuck in via glider at night...

>>62877993
If you can work from home your job is completely useless bullshit.
Restaurant workers, custodians and garbage truck drivers are more crucial to the economy than 99% of office drones.

>>62882254
So you make money for jews by lying and manipulating people to spend their money on garbage.

>>62887940
literally just blockade it

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>>62886770
>men kissing
>You'd like that, wouldn't you, city boy?
I'll take that over you niggers bickering like women

>>62880799
>I make more
>Cost of living and renting mean you never actually own anything to pass on while being surrounded by nogs, junkies and garbage

>>62884559
>Painful projection is painful

>>62887959
How is that any different than any other city ever?

>>62887979
how does that matter in the slightest?

invade long island, either take Brooklyn and queens or encircle it. send the fleet to blockade new york harbor. I would assume you have troops in avaible positions in northern new york to cut off manhattan and the bronx from the north and control the hudson otherwise why would you be invading. also destroy all bridges and tunnels leading out of the city. set up artillery on long island and in westchester to bombard the city

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>blocks your path in your way

>>62877877
>surround NYC enough to close the eight major tunnels/bridges/highways.
>maybe stop the flow of the water coming from the north. It’s one pipe.
>and/or turn off the power.

That’s it. That’s all. NYC is not only now useless, it’s like wounding six million people and leaving them to scream for resources.


Who the fuck would want NYC? Do you want it? If you could fucking have it right now, would you want to be king of NYC? That’s like fighting to death to win a 5’1 310 pound Puerto Rican transsexual with AIDS (who hates you and wants to stab you).


There is no “winning” as long as Jews control global currency.

>>62886574
You know how ignoring castles historically was a really bad idea as it left your flanks exposed to attack from their contents?
The same applies to cities; ignore them, and you'll end up like the VDV.

>>62877877
Salt Lake City or Seattle because of the extensive tunnel systems and crazy white cultists, both have both.

>>62888165
Wall Street is there and that's a lifeline to many

>>62887967
kek, a rusted out Plymouth Voyager full of used meth equipment and stolen copper wiring is considered a legacy by your kind.

>yfw the poorest and noggiest/white trashiest of crime ridden shitholes are all in flyover states

>>62887386
As long as it doesn't rain

>>62888143
Yea i was thinking any East Asian metropolis thats super dense
Hong Kong would be interesting - its very hilly, enough to provide lots of 'wild' area between the economic heart of the city (the island/Kowloon which is coastal) and overland access, and near the top of the density scale (very deep harbour opens the door for very big ships to engage on either end)

then, theres the cities of South Asia...also densely-built, much less organized, and teeming with disease

>>62886137
>>62888190
Castles and ancient cities were full of men and resources.

Modern cities are full of HIV and subhumans.