>invent kamikaze drones back in 1944>they work>Navy boomers kill the project because new thing bad>pilots keep dying to AA fire when they could have used drones insteadThe boomer problem is eternal
How many Japanese ships would have even been left by the time these reached the navy?
>>62880197Not many, but enough, especially since a lot of them were stuck in port. You could also attack structures as well. Instead of sending Avengers directly into AA fire you could gave just swarmed them with these things, but no, grandpa just cant stand all this sci fi nonsense. Its a miracle these retards even adopted radar.
>>62880163Museum of Naval Aviation is so kino
>>62880163Is this pigeon guided like project Orcon?
Boomers didn't even exist in 1944
>>62880237...what?
>>62880238People born in the 19th century were the boomers of the time, mentally
An RC bomber killed one of the Kennedys.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_AphroditeDrones are not a new idea.
>>62880257>An RC bomber killed one of the Kennedys.too bad it was just one. The entire rotten family needed to be wiped out back then
>>62880163>Navy boomers kill the project because new thing badIt's not really that straightforward. They still had to have an Avenger up to guide it in, which was typically off a CVE and the TDRs had to launch from land, so that join up was not always ideal and sort of invalidated the concept until after you had secured an airfield, so after when it would really be useful. And if you're having to dedicate a CVE for the strike anyway, why use a drone and those materials in a one way trip when you could just regular CAWs with meat pilots and actually be able to use the aircraft again. Especially by time it was fielded it was a solution looking for a problem that didn't exist. The Bat was a lot more revolutionary and indicative of things to come, an active radar guided PGM for anti-shipping work that allowed patrol craft to engage IJN ships with AAA that they would normally avoid.
>>62880317Well sure, if you think the plane is more valuable than the pilot. But using the drone allows you to lose the plane without anyone dying, since the control aircraft is far in the back away from the flak.
Would it have been possible to make a precursor to GPS using WWII tech? Let's say early-mid WWII tech since by the end of the war it wasn't even needed really.By that I mean>Park a few blimps at the highest altitude physically possible with tech of the time, as far from each other as possible too, so let's say one in Washington, one in middle California, and one in southern Cali>Tether them to the ground via absurdly long cable, said cable can also transfer power*, with the goal being able to broadcast over the horizon>Mount the strongest radio broadcast system possible to them, the only message they send is a "ping" every minute or whatever so you can get away with just going for raw power and not signal fidelity>Ships at sea receive signals from all 3, measures time between signal and local time in cali, can use this to triangulate position with at least a somewhat decent level of accuracy, (as the blimps will be drifting a small amount and the three stations are all to the east of the ships it would probably not be as accurate as a modern GPS)*The power cable would probably be the biggest limiting factor for the blimps altitude, it might just be impossible to get a long enough cable able to transfer a significant enough amount of power up to a blimp with tech of the time to get a worthwhile broadcast range.I know they used a method of measuring radios like that to help pilots navigate back, but I'm not sure if it would even be possible to make a radio antenna able to broadcast all the way to the middle of the Pacific (and have it be light enough to be lifted via blimp) with tech of the time.
>>62880163That's not a kamikaze, you mongoloid.
>>62880414It literally flies into the target and explodes
>>62880423Kamikaze has the pilot sit in the plane all the way to the bang.Pigeon Guided bombs would qualify as Kamikaze.
>>62880433People don't use the term kamikaze that literally, you're just autistic
>>62880163A Loon with a BAT's seeker would have been a far superior solution.
>>62880370Go look up LORAN and its wartime predecessors. They were inventing long-range radio navigation and how to use it over the course of the war. The USN already had a system like what you're describing for ships; it was only good to within a fair number of miles, and it was very... fiddly... to use, just like the radio navigation sets used by bombers. Adding a blimp relay wouldn't have measurably improved what they already had.
>>62880370https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_BeamsIt was (sort of) already tried, but with ground stations. I'm no engineer, but I feel like you'd run into diminishing returns pretty quick with a blimp even outside weather concerns, and I sincerely doubt that you could get a blimp large enough to haul a transmitter powerful enough to be worth trying it vs. building ground stations in the Pacific.
>>62880414Not designed as such, and had the capacity to return and land amd be reused but from what I've read the few dozen times they prosecuted a target they were used in a suicide drone style including ramming the ship after dropping torpedoes etc.>>62880423That's how it tended to work out, as far as I can see but wasn't the original concept and it wasn't designed or operationally limited to being a one-way attack drone. >>62880345>But using the drone allows you to lose the plane without anyone dying, since the control aircraft is far in the back away from the flak.In concept, yes. But look at the 1944 battles-- Truk (probably where the TDR would have been most useful due to AAA density) was well beyond TDR range from the airfields available. Same with the Marianas.Same with Kwajelein.In Leyte, you have Tacloban and in TDR range of where most of the big showdowns are going to be but Tacloban was getting blasted pretty regularly and was also under IFR almost the entire time, which would have ruled out any TDR contributions. It would also tank the sortie rate for Avengers and limit the freedom of maneuver for any carrier tied to run TDR ops. From the overall big theater perspective, the TDR just didn't have the range to be useful and it's CONOPS tied a carrier to a land based location, defeating the entire point of a carrier. That's why the Bat and Fritz-X were a lot more successful. And yeah, it adds risks to the pilot to fly in personally instead of steering a drone. But that's why you get those nice gold wings and flight pay and the snazzy leather jacket.
>>62880519>bruh just risk your life cuz we can't be assed with these dronesLiteral Russia-tier psychology
>>62880526More like "these drones don't have the range to hit any of the targets we need serviced" "use of the drones fixes the carrier in a known position for minimal effect, risking thousands of lives instead of dozens" and "rewriting conops to incorporate a short ranged drone with terrible pK and glacial sortie rate completely invalidates the strategic mobility and force concentrating abilities of TF77 and places the entire campaign in jeopardy"Turns out the aviators, captains, and admirals who crushed the Kido Butai and Kai Gun in the most intense air-sea campaign ever fought had better tactical and operational sense than a random 13 year old on /k/ who would have guessed.
>>62880526Drones are gay.
>>62880163>Navy boomers kill the projectMaybe don't take procurement advice from what at the time would've been toddlers and babies
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>>62880605>Turns out the aviators, captains, and admirals who crushed the Kido Butai and Kai Gun in the most intense air-sea campaign ever fought had better tactical and operational sense than a random 13 year old on /k/
>>62880163>Invent TV-guided cruise missile in 1944>Refine the concepts over the course of decades>TV-guidance forms the basis of the most widely fielded and successful precision guided munition of the Cold War era>Adopt dozens of patterns of cruise missiles, both nuclear and conventional, subsonic and supersonic, including air- surface- subsurface- and ground-launched types, and use them in wars for generations>They aren't "muh drones" though.
>>62880664>A PB2Y aircraft commander conducts routine preflight de-thotting. Thirsty hoes swarmed Navy seaplanes at any opportunity, which could degrade flight characteristics if they were not inseminated and thrown overboard before takeoff.
>>62880733Admirals were the last thing Taffy 3 had in good supply. Balls were all they had.
>>62880785"Don't worry boys, I've almost lured them into pistol range">t. RADM Cliffy Sprague, addressing the flight deck crew on the fantail of the USS FANSHAW BAY, while firing his 1911 at the IJN YAMATO. The most powerful battleship ever put to sea was no match for Sprague's irl shitposting and .45 ACP
>>62880916"Damn it, boys, they're getting away!"
>>62880937It's unbelievable how incompetent Kurita was at any time he wasn't fighting the br*t*sh. Takes a special kind of retard to lose to a gaggle of jeep carriers with no AP ordnance when your flagship alone has more displacement than literally the entire American task force
>>62881012USS Johnstone is still busy these days keeping an eye on that Cthulu bloke.I hear Gambier Bay is doing CAP.
>>62880423>>62880433>>62880486>>62880519It's an unmanned torpedo bomber. It has a bomb bay.>>62881054Cthulu is dead. Paul H Carr found a use for that last 5" round.
>>62880317Gay as fuck that the fritzX is called the first AshM when its really an RC glide bomb. The Bat is the real first AshM.
>>62880163>kamikaze dronesIs that boomer slang for cruise missile?
TV guidance system seems good.2000lb payload too.but necessity of runway and unmanned takeoff is not good.
>>62880306>t. terrified Big Pharma exec
>>62880229I need to go, but it is something like eight hours away for me. I have been to most of the Aviation Museums in Central Florida, though (plus the SEALs Museum in Ft. Pierce).
>>62882434What the fuck even is this attention begging mass reply. It didn't have a bomb bay and it's already been called out as an unmanned torpedo bomber in this thread you cringe piece of shit
>>62880433Holy autism Batman!
>>62883059>4 posts>mass replyWhy are you so mad, newfag?
>>62880664damn who's this sexy lady?
>>62880163My great uncle worked with unmanned aircraft in the pacific in WW2. He was in the Marine 3rd aviation but I can't find any info on these things at all. What are they called?
>>62880238The boomers of the time were those who were born in the reconstruction era after the US civil war. People bitched about them back in the 40s the same way that we bitch about boomers. That generation benefited from westward expansion and US mass indsutrial growth and spending and were literally given free land and money to start farms and homesteads. They also caused the great depression kek.
>>62886870>They also caused the great depression kek.Can I get a quick explanation of this?
>>62886974>Be born during the reconstruction era>Benefit from free money and free land policies of westward expansion>Live better than any other generation due to mass industrialization >Import Irish and Italian migrants to do all the dirty work at a fraction of the cost of the local born Anglo/German majority of the time>Use wealth to create a corrupt influence system of trusts and halls creating mass monopolization and disenfranchisement of many>Invest poorly and stupidly in the stock market through the roaring 20s ultimately to create the great stock market crashThey were arguably even worse boomer than our boomers.
>>62880317>CVE>TDR>CAW>PGMsorry, I don't read posts from cocksucker alphabet LGBBQTWM+- people
>>62887027interesting, do you think the establishment of the Federal reserve in 1913 had any effect?
>>62886833This one?
>>62880163It's not a kamikaze drone though? Appears it's meant to drop the bombs. But the landing gear drops off... so you can't actually land it. Sea recovery? Seems like it'd be easier and more accurate to crash it into the target. I get the sense reading about it that the Navy hadn't 100pct thought out the concept and how it would work. > Pensocola FLWill need to visit that one sometime. >>62880237It's guided by some guy sitting in an aircraft that's nearby. >>62886853lol read the filenamehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_TDR
>>62887630>tfw no AI slop propellerfu
>>62887373>do you think the establishment of the Federal reserve in 1913 had any effect?Not him, just people will always be shitty, every generation has their own retardationFederal Reserve (((fractional banking))) leverages the existing human nature into obscene levels
>>62889693>But the landing gear drops off... so you can't actually land it.The gear doesn't have to be jettisoned if the plan was to reuse the drone, although it didn't have brakes so you would need a pretty long runway or a carrier style barrier net to recover it. All the missions I've read about it it was used as a one way attack drone. The short range really hampered it, along with the complicated guidance procedures. Pretty interesting example of all the random stuff the Avenger got up to later in the war though. Notionally a torpedo bomber but with enough crew and internal volume it got pressed into a lot of edge cases
>>62881012Why do you hate the British?
>>62890590I don't care about the British one way or another. Was pointing out for some reason Kurita was a 700 IQ galaxy brain when fighting the Royal Navy and a slightly more retarded armchair copelord when fighting the USN.
>>62890604What did Kurita do against the brits that different versus the USN? I'm not a bot, just dumb.
