now that the us has authorized the ukie armed forces to strike deeper into russia, what sorts of targets can they hit and how far are those targets? what big of a difference will this make. can it be simiilar to the HIMARS strikes when it arrived in around june 2022J
did i miss something?
>>62880171Yes
>>62880171yeshttps://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-11-17/biden-lifts-ban-on-ukraine-using-us-arms-to-strike-inside-russia
>>62880171no>To help the Ukrainians defend Kharkiv, Mr. Biden allowed them to use the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, or HIMARS, which have a range of about 50 miles, against Russian forces directly across the border. But Mr. Biden did not allow the Ukrainians to use longer-range ATACMS, which have a range of about 190 miles, in defense of Kharkiv./thread
Cool, they can now fire their 6 attackems they have left at targets inside puccy that puccians have now moved out out range
>>62880185they'll allow the use of atacms by the end of the year
>>62880185 is reading comprehension that hard?
>>62880193>>62880185>The first deep strikes are likely to be carried out using ATACMS rockets, which have a range of up to 190 miles (306 km), according to the sources.
>>62880185>>62880198to be clear the part of the article you're quoting refers to May of this year.
I'm afraid that russians will now respond to this reckless escalation by invading ukraine
cool: https://x.com/i/status/1828615565889454512
>>62880193not clear that the "new" authorization is going to be anything more than the same short-range self defense, but inside kursk. the eric schmitt crew at NYT have been famously weaselly about circumlocutions this entire war.>>62880212yes, the NYT version. seems to be the upstream of this story.
God I hope they strike something kino.
>>62880226>not clear that the "new" authorization is going to be anything more than the same short-range self defense, but inside kursk. the eric schmitt crew at NYT have been famously weaselly about circumlocutions this entire war.nope. there are plenty of targets inside russia in range of ATACAMS. that's what they'll be targeting see >>62880221
>>62880168Why don't they target putins sochi palace? Oh because it's a fake ass banker war
>>62880234anon... it doesnt exist
>>62880231kursk is inside russia, goofy. i am not a zig. i just know better than to base my expectations on hopeful readings of politicians who have been consistently pussyfooted retards for years now. we'll have the question settled shortly by whether shit starts blowing up in spectacular fashion.
>2 fucking years too late>3/4 of the entire zigger airtforce could've died last yearand of course it leaked to press before ukies could strike anything left worth killing.
>>62880239>kursk is inside russiatemporarily occupied russia, i meant
>>62880239>kursk is inside russia, goofywhy would they limit their targets to kursk?
>>62880246because the new authorization ~ "comes following escalation from imminent threat of nork horde". there's direct parallelism in how the "Sources Familiar With His Thinking" press are discussing this new authorization and that given for kharkiv, which was of a very delimited and "defensive" nature. At the time, ZSU still wasn't authorized to use longer-range munitions to take out launch sites a hop, skip and jump across the border.
WHAT WILL THE UKIES BLOW UP FIRST AND WHEN
https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-lifts-ban-ukraine-using-us-arms-strike-inside-russia-2024-11-17/
>>62880256>because the new authorization ~ "comes following escalation from imminent threat of nork horde". yes but that means they're gonna hit targets in the rear: gathering, c&c, ammo dump befor they can be moved to kursk and elsewhere.just like they did when HIMARS first arrived. basically they're about to fuck up russia's logistics again
It's over for Russia!
>>628802681 > 0. it's an objective improvement over nothing, of course. i guess if i had to sum up my current zrada, it would be something likea) forgot to eat earlierb) i don't trust the NYT not to lie thru their teeth about undisclosed sources, they've just been so impossibly shit for this whole administrationc) vaguely goncerned nao that my slavbros are heading into an imminent chosin reservoir winter shitfest, if the IC and srurrivan finally said yes to the GMLRS dressd) hoping i don't miss out on all the fun before i'm back, end of nov / dec
>>62880219I'm sure the russian will respond using huge wave if missiles and kamikaze drones better not...oh wait.
>>62880171TZD is back on the menue
Russian logistics just got a lot more complicatedcaptcha WJAS0N
>>62880259Yes
>Putin to purchase an additional 75,000 Nork slave-soldiersGranted, I'm assuming of the original 30,000 tranche a few thousand have already died. Very pricey I imagine though, either way. That is enough meat to push Ukrainians out of Kursk for certain, which is the obvious goal, plus restart the Kharkiv offensive that failed last year too. >>62880168>what sorts of targets can they hitNork-supporting logistical infrastructure, equipment concentrations, ammo dumps, etc. The usual in that sense. Biden/Sullivan are still 100% categorically against airfield, power plant, and hydrocarbon pipeline strikes I imagine. Escalation and all that jazz. You won't see Ukraine allowed to strike those kinds of targets until after the botched Trump-Putin peace talks next year.
>>62880325has ukraine not been effectively hitting airfields with some decent effect
>>62880336>effectively hitting airfieldsyes>with some decent effect"decent" is doing some heavy lifting in that statement.Ukrainians can effectively hit things at the airfields that don't move (ammunition, fuel storage) but the actual targets of first-order value fly away long before any drone can get there.Russia has moved their active airfields far enough back that nothing short of a fast TBM or stealthy cruise missile is going meaningfully harm them.
Puccia pays the price for being limb dick faggots.
2 years too late
>>62880325>Granted, I'm assuming of the original 30,000 tranche a few thousand have already died.they don't seem to have been committed in any number yet. we have pretty good information from the kursk front. so far, nothin. there have been scattered stories of nork-looking troops and a couple deaths in rear areas.>Very pricey I imagine though, either way.hard to tell. they're green recruits. round 1 might be a #solidarity move meant to elevate the norks at the recent BRICS conference and secure the RU/KP mutual defense pact, signed a couple weeks back. norktard might know better the degree to which it's completely worthless or not.>You won't see Ukraine allowed to strike those kinds of targets until after the botched Trump-Putin peace talks next year.i forgot to add reason e) for zrada: the other day zelensky cucked to "hoping for a diplomatic resolution in 2025." this obviously empty gesture of appeasement pissed off literally everyone i know who is actually fighting the war.
Well... This explains the extreme shilling by the browns.
>>62880242>and of course it leaked to press before ukies could strike anything left worth killing.I don't think it "leaked", it was probably spread on purpose so the russians have time to pull back and there is no "escalation".Meanwhile Putin told Scholz that russian minorities are getting supressed in NATO nations and Russia will not watch that happen any longer, whatever he meant by that.
>>62880408>Russia will not watch that happen any longerThinly veiled threat they they can supposedly attack the Baltics.I personally hope they nuke themselves in order to prove they mean business.
>>62880168I thought I had a screenshot of me saying this before the election but the limitations were gonna be removed after the election despite who won. If Kamela won then they could have done the decision because it no longer would impact the election and if Trump won they could do the decision and let it be Trump's problem. He can't go to Zelenzky now and say no you can't do that anymore. The genie is out of the bottle.
>>62880404Are people inherently evil, or are they just stupid?
>>62880431Judging by the Russians, I'd say the two are not mutually exclusive.I wish they didn't have nukes in order for your pic related to actually happen, and end this farce two years ago.
>>62880379>i forgot to add reason e) for zrada: the other day zelensky cucked to "hoping for a diplomatic resolution in 2025."He has to say that.When it comes to negotiation with Trump the first party that says 'no' gets fucked. Always. Zelensky is gambling that Putin (or whatever proxy he has for negotiations) will be insensible, broadly uncompromising, and delusional. He's not wrong to assume this.Past tenancies reflect future functions, and Russia has be fatalistically so for quite a while.
>>62880408Scholz is such a weak empty suit it’s incredible
>>62880168Does Ukraine even have such missiles? How many? And what's stopping the orange man from reinstating the ban?
>>62880408>Putin told Scholz that russian minorities are getting supressed in NATO nations and Russia will not watch that happen any longerSOurce.Who cares what putin says anyway, he's a lying cuck.
>>62880471he can't do shit until January
>>62880471Plenty apparently, just were sitting idle due to the restrictions. Trump won't do shit, his advisors are not retarded. Until he can grab the Russian dwarf and sit him on the baby stool at the negotiations table, things will go on.
>>62880168Oh no, lil Put Put won't be happy about this!
>>62880484I meant as soon as he's in office. He may even use it to his advantage, claiming he is de-escalating
>>62880499Trump doesn't care about de-escalation, only about himself looking good. Removing permissions from Ukraine would look bad.Biden greenlighting the strikes is convenient, because this way Trump doesn't have to take flak from anyone
>>62880471>Does Ukraine even have such missiles? How many?Sitting on them like a dragon sits on their treasure. Probably a few dozen at most.It should also be noted that Zelensky stated Ukraine had just "completed its first 100 missile samples". This could imply production of Neptune, Hirm-2, Palyanytsia, all of the above, or some something completely different.Regardless we know Biden/Sullivan have pressured Ukraine to not use EU provided missiles against Russia-proper targets. It isn't too much to assume the may even extend to domestic productions.This lifting would do more than allow USA-provided arms then, as it would allot for all subordinate restrictions to also be removed. >And what's stopping the orange man from reinstating the ban?A few months and Putin being a retarded cunt. Given his response to "don't escalate" was calling Trump's wife a whore, purchasing Nork slaves, and starting a persistent winter bombing campaign of Ukrainian civilian infrastructure and power plants (again) he's clearly taken a stance on that topic.
>>62880168Oh, another gamechanger for urine? Whats up with f-16 by the way?
>>62880221>randos on twitter creating interactive maps of priority targets to be hit the moment restrictions are liftedthis is cyberbullying lmao
Scholz is getting humiliated on all fronts now...
>>62880551>Scholz is getting humiliated on all fronts now...Good.t. German.
>>62880535>Whats up with f-16 by the way?At the moment? Cruise missile interception duties.Which is inline with >2 years of OSINT assumptions about their potential usage.
>>62880492
>>62880533>calling Trump's wife a whoreWhen did he say that? And isn't it pretty well known that she is at best a trophy wife? >purchasing Nork slavesStill no proofs besides " SK says" or "Ukraine claims". 10k soldiers shouldn't go unnoticed when there are drones and satellites everywhere
>>62880562They're so good at it that one of them even intercepted a patriot lol
>>62880471Yes, they've been using them against russian forces inside ukraine.We don't know.He hates to look weak or timid and would rather get shot at again than ever be seen as having made concessions (rather than forced concessions from ukraine) for the sake of peace.
>>62880575Plus knocking out two Su-34's.
>>628801932 more weeks
russian sources are saying that its only permission to hit Kursk and not other oblasts, is that just cope or true?
>>62880614It's cope. They're now allowed to strike all military targets inside Russia
>>62880572>When did he say that? I shall provide you a source you're familiar with>https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/russian-tv-airs-melania-trumps-nude-photos-on-prime-time-after-donald-wins-election-101731162626205.htmlAlso>well that's Russian state media not Putin ;))))yeah>Still no proofs besides " SK says" or "Ukraine claims"And the Pentagon, and the NATO Secretary-General.I mean maybe they're all just homo liars.
>>62880614Afraid so. All the mainstream media midwits are saying they come with conditions
A lot of woketards are going to get court martialed for this.
>>62880168Kremlin strikes when?
>>62880639Well, what do they have to lose?
>>62880478>SOurce.>Who cares what putin says anyway, he's a lying cuck.The kreml published their phone call. He also said again that it's NATOs fault that russia attacked Ukraine, because clearly NATO wanted to build a bridhead there so they could invade southern Russia.
UK nd FR join the party
>>62880639Why do you think that lol?Protip: Trump will do nothing to upset the military.
>>62880659>Invade Southern RussiaWhen will ziggers learn that nobody in the west wants anything to do with them. Everything Russia touches turns to shit.
Taurus status?
>>62880672They know that. It's all posturing for retards in Russia and the west.
>>62880668That is such a "FUCK YOU!" message to Scholz.
>>62880628Do you have a source that clearly and unequivocally says so?>>62880629>nude photos That's different from calling someone a whore. And besides, her body her choice, chud>And the Pentagon, and the NATO Secretary-General.They also said that Iraq had WMDs
>>62880689Scholz gives me second hand embarrassment
Too little too late. I was against this limp dick strategy from the west day 1. Either give Ukraine the means to properly end the war or just let Russia take it. To prolong the conflict with these half assed measures is just pure malice. It reminds of all the other foreign policy disasters of US where their half assed measures just ended up prolonging the conflicts and causing more suffering in the long term.
>>62880454>He has to say that.I know that's the idea, but confidence in zelensky's administration is not that high. Look at it from the eastoid doomer lumpenprole point of view: latest internal polling comes back saying that a strong majority of ukrainians oppose land consessions for peace, and like 2 or 3 weeks later the president is glibly playing along with a narrative that everyone knows involves land concessions for peace. Meanwhile, most western audiences don't even hear him do this, because the spin machine (abetted by musk) pushes a false edit of a suspilne radio interview made to read like zelensky said america can go fuck itself if they think they can force ukraine to the negotiating table.All in all, he could afford to shut the fuck up right now. People aren't fighting for the war to end of russia's terms, either intentionally or accidentally.
Dis shit can't be launched, without direct involvement by american personal and satellit guidance.
Couldn't they have announced this when I dunno, the missiles were already mid-flight of not less from their targets? And without any dumb Kursk area restriction, for that matters. I'm getting fucking sick at how this dumb war is operated from the western allies. What a bunch of retards.Please tell me they AT LEAST made it so the SCALPShadow are allowed to be used the way they should be used, and are not cucked out like HIMARS are.
>>62880185Fuck, it's more likely that Trump allows it after Putin pisses him off. Musk is bound to get him exhausted of vatnigger agenda by inauguration.
>>62880727can you at least put some effort into a coherent bait?
you can choose so what do you hit first?I'll go to the patato palace in Minsk, just for the lulz
Next up: Houthis "somehow" get their hands on Islanders and start sinking ships
TEE. ZED. DEE.
>>62880185lamo retardtry reading the whole article instead of skimming next time
>>62880757Why would Russians piss off their Chinese friends who rely on the Suez canal for shipping?tl;dr LMAOing at brown pypo fantasies
>>62880757And get glassed afterwards. Trump likes Putin but really doesn't like Iran lol.
>>62880757>Maybe if we declare war on the US, things would be better for us?genius plan
>>62880757oh man I can't wait for more dogshit photoshops and half a century old photos of carriers on fire as proof that the Houthis totally hit the Eisenhower this time
>>62880696Me too, and I'm not even German
>we may have to NOOOOK!
>>62880781I wish a zigger would.
You DO realize that Putin will retaliate tomorrow, and his response will be assymetrical, right? Are you not afraid of consequences you are going to face? They will be disastrous. This was the red line, now it's been crossed. Expect vengeance.
>>62880781>"oh nooooo they're going to attack our power plants and production facilities"wow it's a good thing that Russians are trying to take the high ground and would never engage in such things
>>62880787>Are you not afraidNo, now use the nukes faggot.
>>62880767If only there was a way to identify the country of origin of a ship, something like, I dunno, a flag?>>62880769Wrong sandniggers>>62880771>>62880775It would be hilarious, yeah
>>62880787>boy who cried nooknobody gives a fuck anymore, kick rocks kid.
>>62880787>his response will be assymetricalYes, yes, we'll see more muslim terror attacks in Europe and weird assassinations and schitzo mass shooters in the US. As usual with Putin, he can always go only after civilians.
>>62880706Doomers don't have to face the facts that the conscription efforts are not enough to plug the holes in the front.
>>62880234it was demolished
>>62880781
>>62880805Meanwhile the only significant muslim terror lately happened in Moscow.
>>62880787if he wanted to use nukes he would have done so by nowinstead he scheduled a fucking announcement for tomorrow, thats not how you usually prepare for nuclear warand russia has no actual ways to retaliate against the west other then le nukes so like what are they gonna do?bomb ukraine like they are already are doing?
>>62880817Doesn't mean FSB doesn't try. Just look at attacks France and Germany stopped this year. Fuck, Taylor Swift attack? That was Russians too.
>>62880800you sound like you have a future in the insurance industry, wanna work for my competitors?
>>62880800>something like, I dunno, a flag?it's a bit more complicated than that... most ships use bullshit flags so they can pay less taxes
>>62880831I'm still baffled at how Russia tried to load up a DHL plane with a bomb in Germany to blow it up in flight. What the fuck.
>>62880839>baffled terrorist state does terrorist thingsNothing should surprise you. There's no level low enough that the Russians cant or wont stoop to it.
>>62880221Nice. Too many juicy targets in there. I'd hit railways first.
>>62880839And I'm baffled how they got no repercussions for that.
>>62880787cucktin won't do shit
>>62880805>>62880831>>62880839>>62880840>IT'S DA ROOOOOSKI
>>62880689>>62880696Who is Scholz and what did he do?
>>62880668Everytime I read Storm Shadow, I'm half expecting Destro and Cobra Commander to pop up
>>62880757Pointless, I have it on good authority from only the brownest of sources that poothis have already sunk the whole US navy.
>>62880864reset the clock!
>>62880864Oh, look, it's a deboonker
>>62880787Monke make announce? Ook ook, nook nook?? Prepare to suck American balls, Russian faggot.
>>62880787I see redlineposting is back, nice!
>>62880839Remember this and how they tried to deny it was them? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
>>62880899Proud terrorists
>>62880864You do realize we caught the scumbags the ziggers hired, right?
>>62880781>The response from our side must be proportionate They’ve been doing deep strikes this entire war what more proportionate action is there?
>>62880781>inflicting damage deep into the rear>>62880831There have been sabotage attempts in Poland too.
>>62880288
>>62880781I love how Russian's still think that they aren't at war.
>>62880800>Wrong sandniggersThe Houthis are Iranian proxies.
>>62880867Ask TikTok midwit retard.
>>62880168It's time for Russia to give P-800 Oniks to the Yemenis.
>>62880757>implying iskanders could hit a moving ship
>>62880757>and start sinking ships>implying even he knew the houthis werent sinking shit beforekek
>>62880932Oh no, what happened to bear-kun??????????????????
>>62880899Considering the commitment they're constantly providing towards Ukraine due to the number of national victims in that crash, I know Netherlandsbros sure didn't forget about this shitshow of ziggers lies over lies.
>>62880864>IT'S DA ROOSKI>IT'S DA JOOS>IT'S DA POOSEveryone who posts" IT'S DA..." is pajeet shill
>>62880742Certain bridge comes to mind. Whatever possible drone or missile factories might be in range. Concentrations of troops. Lots of the manufacturing is beyond this though.
>>62880864Fuck me, that image>words words wordsThe left really can't meme, can it?
>>62880639Why?
>>62880742Tula
>>62881014he's making fun of that kind of posters, you dumb ESL nigger
>>62880954To hit tankers carrying Russian oil?
>>62880757>Using INS/GPS/GLONASS/TERCOM missiles against moving ships.
>>62880757>Islanders
>>62881064To hit ships of the US navy.
>>62880957>>62881067just wait for them to stop, no?
We could be days away from the first use of you know what since 1945.
>>62881098>AMBATANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
>>62880787
happy TZD everybody!
>>62881083Theyve tried but only hit russian oil assets, strange that
>>62881098>the first use of you know what since 1945Come on, now! Ziggers might be scraping the bottom, but putting their pilots in Ohkas?
>>62880775Here's an early release photo of the USS Theodore Roosevelt being sunk by a Houthi missile six weeks from now.
>>62881128
>>62880787The eggs are being measured, and the ass is in the ass.
>>62880787>is that what you want? Asymmetry?
>>62881128These idiots sure cry a lot.Do they ever say what those problems are, and even bring up a bill to get funding to fix them? They almost always veto any kind of spending bill.
>>62881128>we want to fix out own problems>ok vote yes on this that will fix our problems then>NOOO
>>62881144>>62881128
>>62881098You think Overlord Xi will let his little new colony do something like that?
>>62881136Only a few ships were related to Russia.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sea_crisis#ListP-800 is far better than what the Houthis have and would let them sink US naval assets.
>>62881161>literally using Zigger talking pointsGrim, how the 'Republicans' sold out to Moscow.
Getting tired of this half-measures.Mirage tanks in Moscow when?
>>62880867
>>62880171Yeah, Jr is seething
>>62880454>When it comes to negotiation with Trump the first party that says 'no' gets fucked. Always.True. Trump's entire policy since the start of the year has also been that whichever side either won't negotiate something reasonable or doesn't show up is the one he's going to punish, either cutting Ukraine off entirely (lol yeah right), or sending Ukraine "what they need to win" to force the matter. Considering that Putin already officially annexed half the country, he either has to lose face and nullify it (unlikely) or let the mobiks suffer and beg for more help from Iran and North Korea..
what's the ATACMS production rate, these days?
>>62881215>we must ensure manufacturing jobs stay in america and that american money is spent in america>w-wait not like that!!!
>>62881215Imagine thinking that daddy Trump didn't already know about this since his meeting with Bidet.
>put Russia in a position to quicker accept whatever the fuck Trump is cooking up for a peace plan>torpedo Trump's peace plan before he even enters office and keep the war going in the hopes of bleeding Russiawhat's the goal here?
>>62881237To put Russia in a position where it has no choice but to accept an even worse deal while further wasting its future in the process.
>>62880982You can see him run off through the gap beneath the bus
Would this be considered going too far lmao Forcing a reactor shutdown and leaving them in the dark?
>>62881257Just disable the one in Kursk
>>62880168nothing ever happens
>>62881215Someone ask him how much stock he owns in the MIC
>>62881257(Don't do it btw it's probably bad advice)
>>62881215>this guy spent his childhood in czechoslovakiaGramps never told him about 1968?
>>62881225>Considering that Putin already officially annexed half the countryHe declared about 20% of the country to be Russian.I think he would be willing to end the war witha. Borders of Donetsk oblastb. Oskil river as the border for Kharkiv oblastc. Orikhiv and Hulyaipole in Zaporizhzhia oblastd. Kursk incursion repelledb, c, and d are a few months away but a. would take most of 2025 so Trump's plan to end the war in 24 hours would not be possible.
>>62881227>ATACMSThe US has 3,700 and they're being phased out of the arsenal.
>>62881283They also have (allegedly) thousands of Abrams in stock, and yet only sent 31 to Ukraine
>>62881161>>62881128I love how most of their own party doesn't even believe this.
>>62881128oh look, she started screeching again
Hey guys what do you think would happen if the Ukrainians got some funny trucks that they could drive around and shoot a bunch of ATACMS from? Seems like they'd be able to do a lot of damage.
>>62881128>>62881306What kind of person goes to the ballot box and says "yes I want the most unhinged zigger possible to represent me?"
>>62881282Lmao what????
>>62881282in couple of months?
>>62881314the kind of people who ought to be euthanized.
>>62881282nigga, putin claimed 4 full oblasts not just 20% of russia
>>628813153 steps come before attacking Pokrovsk.1. Capturing Kurkakhove.
>>62880219Perhaps they will expand the scope of the war by bringing in another belligerent
2. Widening front to Pokrovsk.
>>62880168>now that the us has authorized the ukie armed forces to strike deeper into russiawtf when?
>>62881332Kurakhove*3. Also widening the front to Pokrovsk.
>>62881332zigger, there is speed of RF advance bottom left. Do you know what is the speed of the snail?
>>62880259Its airfields, they're going to hit the planes this timeEveryone thinks that SURELY russia has moved its jets out of range by now but you and I know better don't we
>>62880325>That is enough meat to push Ukrainians out of Kursk for certainNo it most certainly is notThere is no amount of meat that Russia can send into kursk force a withdrawal because kursk is not the DonbassIn kursk, the russians don't have kilometre-deep minefields guarding every possible angle of attack except directly into the teeth of their assault forces, nor do they have ten years of military infrastructure build up to keep the meat flowing at optimal consistencyKursk is open ground, famous tank country - and the ukies have the better tanks
>>62880787He will complains about poor little Russia being harassed by the evil west
>>62881215But I do own a lot of MIC stonks and it's making me filthy rich, though?
>>62881128>starting ww3Russia already started it though
>>62880692>They also said that Iraq had WMDsBut Iraq did have WMDs.They did not have an active WMD program. But there were hidden caches of Iran-Iraq war era chemical shells.
Poland should start shooting down missiles over Ukraine or pussy
>>62881339Today. It’s in response to the North Korean thing.
>>62881345Within the past 3 months the rate of capture in terms of area is about 15 km2 per day. The 3 images I posted are doable in 2 to 3 months at that rate. Then the battle for Pokrovsk would take a few months more, it won't be as hard as Bakhmut because of the widened front. The hard part is capturing Kramatorsk, Slovyansk, Druzhkivka before the end of 2025.
>>62880692https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-18/biden-allows-ukraine-to-use-atacms-missiles-on-targets-in-russia/104612578You can trust the ABC, especially when it comes to reporting official US government positions and foreign policy because these are considered to be in the public interest of Australians
>>62881128I thought it's impossible for Republicans to find somebody dumber than Sarah Palin, but alas.
>>62880672>When will ziggers learn that nobody in the west wants anything to do with them. Everything Russia touches turns to shit.Apparently Ukies found the remain people in Kursk very well-behaved.
>>62881377Congratulations, you understand capitalism. UNlike Donald Trump Jr who does not because he gets his money from Russia (probably)
>>62881282At the current rate of advance Putin will die of old age before Russia tales the donbass
>>62881456Speaking of which, do we have nice testimonies of people living in the area? I mean, at the end of the day, it wasn't just a stunt for a weekend. The region has been Ukrainian for a few months already. Do they still go to work as if nothing happened, are the Ukranians the ones filling up supermarkets and other basic needs (I assume so), how does it werk, really?
>>62881472The ukies are providing food and medical aid to civillians trapped the occupation zone but no one is going to work
>>62880171Yeah. The Democrats know that Trump was going to let Ukraine use US weapons to hit targets deep in Russia to end the war quickly so they are now allowing Ukraine to do it so that they can claim that they helped end the war faster.
>>62881215I mean, isn't your dad a rich businessman? I don't think your dad would be happy about you being some commie going>nooo we can't make money nooooDon't worry, he said by November 17th... Or was it December 17th, the aid would stop. For reals.
>>62881466Here's a map.Yellow is stuff that's a few months away or is easy to capture.Orange is the medium term stuff for first half of 2025.Red is the hard stuff.Purple is easier than red and it would be very damaging for Ukraine if Russia goes for it.
>>62880787Even CNN isn't that terrible with their English, surely?
>>62880668The UK greenlit it first, months ago and were then beaten back down by Biden who said 'no'. Clearly this was agreed months ago and the UK thought it was ready to go now.
>>62881511>walking distance from the 2022 borderlol. lmao even.
>>62880668I can't actually find any source about this, but the UK did agree to do it awhile ago so I don't reject it as 'fake'... But every source I go to cites some French site that doesn't have any mention of it. The Kyiv Independent link reroutes to the US greenlight and doesn't mention either of those nations.
>>62880259Barely anything, the US always drags its feet on what Ukraine needs for the war to give time for Russia to move its assets away and avoid a major blow to Putin.
>>62881511You are fucking delusional mateRussia is literally advancing at less than a snails pace
>>62881511Russia capturing that entire yellow portion south of Pokrovsk within a year is unbelievably optimistic.
>>62880219Oh no!
katsaps malding and farding ITT you hate to see it
>>62880185Nigga, u gay
>>62880168Time to kiss a whole lot of airfields and supply areas goodbye
>>62880234Putin destroyed it out of fear it would be droned. Why? I dunno. Apparently he views this war like a video game where you get +10% war score if you destroy his villa.
>>62880867he's German(!)
>>62880408Vova isn't going to do or say shit. He's going to take it like the mini bitch he is.
>>62880325>That is enough meat to push Ukrainians out of Kursk for certain
>>62880413That's about all they can nuke anymore.
>>62880787>response will be assymetricalWell you got that right.Impotent bitching is quite asymmetrical response to getting your shit himars'd.
>>62880659Always a weird one because has he not seen how scared NATO has been of actually helping Ukraine because of Russian nukes? It seems really fucking weird that Putin could see three years of the West being pathetic and weak and still think the West had the stomach for a multinational invasion of Russia... For.... What exactly? What is gained from doing that?
>>62880742Can they reach Belgrade? Just asking questions.
>>62880692>They also said that Iraq had WMDsThey did have WMDs. They just did not have a production (or at least, large production) going on. How are you this retarded? The cover-up over Iraq's WMDs got exposed over a decade ago. How are you THIS fucking clueless about something you seem to claim authority of knowledge over?
>>62881511you are assuming that the russians have those few monthsthe rains are starting to come to Ukraine, it's gonna be liquid shit for the next couple of months.Then Trump gets in and starts his bid for peace by the time he ground freezes enough to allow for the advance to resume He's probably going to at least ask for a cease fire while he works on hid bigly deal. So if russia wants to negotiate for a win or at least not piss of Trump personally they are going to give up part of the time window for a winter offensive.Then it'll be the thaw.The first solid "a few months the russians would get is summer 2025. Making predictions about (if there will be) summer fighting might as well be based on going trough nostadamus and picking pages at random
>>62881595He doesn't actually believe that, it's just an excuse to landgrab in the 21st century
>>62880692>Do you have a source that clearly and unequivocally says so?Wow. That was hard.
>>62880787>Are you not afraid of consequencesno
>>62881608>BBCDiscarded.
>>62880168And they run when the sun comes upWith their lives on the line(Alive)For a while(No choice)Gotta follow the laws of the wild(Alive)With their lives on the line(No choice)
>>62881614take your pick then.
>>62881595>scared NATO has been of actually helping Ukraine because of Russian nukes?only russians believe that the US is more concerned about what would happen to russia and their nukes if they'd losewestern europe still hasn't full come around to this whore rearming thing as a thing the have to actually do when it came to importing lmg they threw all the planing permits zoning ect out the window and got it done in a rush. But they aren't doing the same for the industry they need to rearm or to arm ukraineclaiming that russia uuuooooking about nuking is whats holding back western aid frankly just proves you aren't Western or that you're a retard
>>62881625Well there is no other reason NOT to send aid and the reason it hasn't been sent is 'muh escalation'. The only escalation that Russia can do is nukes. There is no additional system or weapon they can use to escalate. Yes they could attack a NATO member and maybe that's why they're scared (wow, we'd have to actually honor it? oh no!). Then again Russia brought North Korea directly into this war and everybody is just twiddling their thumbs looking out the window pretending another nation isn't now at war with Ukraine.
>>62881656Cake status?
>>62881656>the cake is made...
>>62881656That's an edit, surely. It mentions fucking bananas.
>>62881656The cake is a lie, eks dee xddddd
>>62881664Reference to "banana republic", probably.
>>62881656>This time we are serious
>>62881656>the gloves are coming off>1000 days of 3 day special military operation later>the cake is madeTook their time baking the damn thing.
>>62881511>>62881511wasnt the kramatorsk-sloviansk line the shit russian bots were saying was next after bakhmut fell? KEK.
>>62881678I can't find it on his twitter so I assume it is fake. He last posted on 10th.
>>62881656>Allowing the country we are at war with to retaliate?>This will not stand
>>62881689That's not much better. Guy talks like a 4channer. Not quite as retarded as Trump, but embarassing for a statesman regardless.
>>62881656>this time we are seriousI mean it sounds like the first twenty or so times he promised to nook.
>>62881656bananan?
>>62881698honestly tempted to copy and paste some of his posts into various threads and pretend I mean it for a lol but would prob cop a ban and that's effort to deal with.
>>62881656I love special surprise cake.
>>62881711he has to be stopped
>>62881149What a blast from the past, holy shit
>>62881656The eggs are measured and the cake will be baked.
>>62881664I mean...
>>62881149>>62881735>Uploaded: Oct 6, 2004I feel old and sad now
>>62880787people who're for this don't get to cry when they're hit.
>>62880676this is what is needed. ATACMS and Storm Shadows can’t take down a couple of spans of everyone’s favorite bridge, which is what would really give Ukraine negotiating power. But not happening until Scholz is replaced
>>62881656>special surprise cake
>>62881783I have a feeling Germany did not have as many Taurus missiles in storage as they should have and are covering for it.
>>62880668I'm French and I can't find that information in Le Figaro, just saying.But Le Figaro would be a credible source, yes. It's probably second newspaper after Le Monde. Le Monde is center-left, Le Figaro is center right (owned by Dassault, who makes the Rafale jets among other things).
>>62880668remember, when us, frog and bong ships start getting sent to the bottom, they don't get to cry about ti
>>62881656banan?
>>62881656Not so fast NAFO...>blocks your path
>>62881951LMAO fucking Scott ritter
Cool but too late, western leaders have been trying to soothe a wild animal instead of just putting him down1. After Russias first retreat 2 years ago NATO should have taken the entire left bank of the Dniper2. USA+France+UK should have conducted a joint above ground nuclear test in the middle of nowhere in Antarctica or some shit
>>62881951>Scott "If there's grass on the field then there's no deal" Ritter
>>62881951What's his name again?
>>62881975>USA+France+UK should have conducted a joint above ground nuclear test in the middle of nowhere in Antarctica or some shit1000 miles directly above Moscow
>>62881975>should have conducted a joint above ground nuclear test in the middle of nowhere in Antarctica or some shitIt's banned. How can you go 'don't break treaties' if you then go and break them yourself.
>>62881951i hate this guy so much
>>62881951
>now there's shit floating about North Korea that could send up to 100K troopsDid we even hear a single statement from China over this shitshow from their puppet? Like, I dunno at least a "War is le bad, people suffer, borders shouldn't be destabilized, plz stop fighting right this instant" even if they do nothing and don't take any actions or sanctions against DPRK? Was there even a single word from them in the past 3 weeks?
>>62880787>This was the red lineANOTHER ONE!
>>62881991At this point you are just waiting for Russia to do it first
Literally nothing will change. 1. There’s not enough long-range weapons to make a major impact2. There’s just not enough strategic targets of high enough value to be worth these missiles to begin with. The Ukies bitched about the ROE because it was an excuse to cover ass politically. Ie we’re struggling not because we’re doing a bad job or because we’re fundamentally too weak, it’s because we’re allowed to unteach our true power. Now that Biden has taken the limiters off I’m curious what the new excuse will be.
>>62880171Joe before going in a retirement home decided to go all McBasedArthur and cross every single red line he didn't dare to cross before
>>62882037Don't you have a loaf of bread to finance, Vlad?
>>62882009No. Just like the West has not acknowledged that North Korea is now directly involved in the war with Ukraine. Just like the West has not acknowledged that Russia is technically at war with parts of the West due to signing a defence treaty with North Korea meaning they are now involved in the Korean War which did not end but is in a cease fire. Just like South Korea is considering forming a group to discuss creating a think tank to prepare a possible referendum to create a cabinet to discuss the possibility of maybe forming a governmental petition to perhaps maybe send something more than a comic sans written angry letter out.The West is frightened to death about 'escalation' meanwhile Putin just laughs and grabs North Korea into the war and nobody does or says anything.
>>62881656I pray that they drop a unitary warhead directly onto this fuckhead.
>>62881282>we will demilitarize, denazify ukraine and rejoin it with russiaone year late>we will annex the Donbas, Luhanks, Kherson and Zaporozhia oblaststwo yeary later>we will fully controll the Donbas in a few monthsthree years laterlmao
>>62882068See >>62881689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZckXxpGNa8Bring 'em out, bring 'em out, bring 'em out [spoiler]and turn the Kremlin into rubble[/spoiler]
>>62881332>>62881338>>62881341The Ukrainian army was already completely destroyed and encircled in 2022. Remember? Those maps you were posting back then were far more ambitious though! Its sad that you now have to zoom into some random villages and draw these little arrows unlike the good old days of kotel posting amirite?lmao
>>62882037>major impactThat isn't really how the current admin does things, they just want to avoid anything dramatic happening. That's why they very consistently gave Ukraine just enough to prevent Russia doing anything with major impact, but also too little for Ukraine do do anything with major impact.
>>62881904Meanwhile the only ships at the bottom are russian ones
>>62881904>500,000+ Russians dead>0 NATO dead
>>62880668humiliation ritual for scholz
>>62882131>don't cross any more red lines or the mighty bear will inconvenience a teenage girlyour fursona is so powerful, much wow very fear
>>62882131I don't understand why this image was posted outside of it being some sort of fetish thing.
>>62880781AAAAAAAAAH, I'M GONNA NOOOOOOOK
>>62882148
>>62882152>I don't understand why this image was posted outside of it being some sort of fetish thing.
>>62881572read the reply chain to see what i was on about, or better yet, participate in any of the threads that get 30 replies instead of 300like this one, that i made, about an upgrade to future HIMARS capacity >>62866782we both know you won't
How will this effect the theoretical negotiations? I remember mike waltz saying their only leverage against Russia was to allow long range strikes. Now that’s off of the table, what other negotiation leverage that they have? They were betting on Biden Pusey footing Ukraine l.
>>62882166You were wrong, though.
>>62880168>>62880185>>62880206Stop saying ATACAMS. There are plenty of other weapons you idiots.>>62880259Engels air base, all the Tupolevs, with Tomahawk Block V. And then every significant rail bridge possible within 300 miles of the front line.Norks left NK and fired a gun. That violated about two more UN resolutions than Iraq did in 1990-1. Like 11. North Koreans attacking eastern Europe is an unacceptable change to the game. Eight NATO countries already invoked Article 4. And that includes all the Baltics and Poland in particular. They have activate and rotated out their reserves and now have a standing army in excess of 500,000. They are on the verge of moving without NATO.>>62880628>military targetsmm.. Don’t think anyone said military specifically.
>>62882152one of the local schizophrenics has a fixation
>>62880781IMMMM GONNA NOOUUUKE
>>62882152Ziggers can't do much else than throw bombs onto cities so the fact they bomb cities is considered a major win. Its a coping mechanism for their incompetence.
>>62882166>future HIMARS
>>62882130Okay then what is the end goal? At some point one side will break first and seeing as how Russia has dragged North Korea into this war directly, I suspect it will be Ukraine to break first (unless Ukraine gets given actual support that matters). What is the ultimate plan here? It has been very clear that the West hasn't wanted Ukraine to win decisievly. We can go back to the start when Scholz and Macron were calling for Ukraine to surrender (Macron even said Ukraine should cede territory so 'Putin could save face') and Israel called for Ukraine to surrender (weird!). UK was the only nation that stated their intended goals in supporting Ukraine; the return to pre-2014 borders. That isn't going to happen without massive support. I don't see that happening, especially when everybody bar USA being out of equipment to send (and the nations that COULD send stuff don't want to, see Turkey). So one way or another, Russia is going to get what it wants, even if it takes another half a decade. I don't understand this mindset. I don't understand what the West is hoping for here. The longer it goes on, the more sunk cost fallacy Putin runs into and the more determined he is to get out a 'win'. Is the goal here to make the war last so long that Putin just gives up and goes 'xaxaxa I took on all of NATO and won deazification complete!' because I am sure that won't be enough for him. So the goal for the West must be 'we'll help enough but in the end you're losing land Ukraine, sorry lol :)' and they can claim victory because not ALL of Ukraine was annexed and they totally did everything they could and how brilliant they were managing Putin.Pathetic.
>>62882152It's from the "openly brag about" phase of the sovieticus "vehemently deny/openly brag about targeting civilians" cycle.
>>62882173>one of the local schizophrenics has a fixationa noooooooticing...if you will?
>>62880857>baffled how they got no repercussions for thatScholz is afraid of antagonizing the diseased little monke. He might ook-ook nook-nook and then it will have been the wect'c fault for escalating.
>>62882181>5th columnist posting runnin wild'
>>62882186Does it demoralize you that you have to repurpose pictures from last year?
>>62882181Oh yeah, they brought in world power North Korea. Once Cuba joins in, Ukraine has no chance, you absolute ass clown.
>>62882181The end goal is to delay things in the hopes someone else will have to deal with it. Russia isn't ever going to get what they want, though. Just enough to prevent that can easily be delivered for centuries.
>>62882175Says SARMAT and “To Washington”.
>>62882192>Does it demoralize you that you have to repurpose pictures from last year?no they r indistinguishable
>>62882192>demoralizeit gives him another opportunity to shit in his hand and start wanking, he's ecstatic
>>62882196>Russia isn't ever going to get what they want, though. Just enough to prevent that can easily be delivered for centuries.
>>62882197>To WashingtonFunny that russians are like this. What has Washington ever done to them? (Aside from saving their lives several times)
>>62882206Your fursona will be blue balled forever
>>62882190How is me going>Ukraine needs more stuffMe being a fifth columnist? I mean I've seen this so regularly on /k/. I will make a post like>The West isn't helping Ukraine enough. They need more.And immediately, within seconds, I get>NO UKRAINE IS GETTING LOADS THEY'RE TOTALLY WINNING THEY DON'T NEED MORE THEY'RE FINE DON'T SEND MORE IT COST TOO MUCH DON'T YOU'RE A VATNIK SHILL!It's weird. I'm just noticing things here, I should stop that.>>62882194Fuck off retard. You don't ignore strategic changes, it doesn't matter who or want, bringing in tens of thousands of troops changes the situation. Did you know during the Revolutionary War the French and Spanish contributed around 100,000 soldiers to the Americans? But I am sure they would have been fine without them! Fuck off you retarded mong. But as I said, another case of 'NO UKRAINE IS GETTING ENOUGH SUPPORT' post. I guess that's the new IRA shill script from daddy Putin.
>>62882213They're getting enough to survive, but not enough to win. It's a really cowardly policy, hopefully it will change next year.
>>62882213>>62882210>>62882223>They're getting enough to survive, but not enough to win. It's a really cowardly policy, hopefully it will change next ye
>>62882223That's what I am saying, but every single time I go 'We need to send more' there is almost immediate posting of>NO YOU'RE A VATNIK SHILL WANTING UKRAINE TO HAVE MORE CAPABILITIES, MUNITIONS, VEHICLES AND STRATEGIC OPTIONS
>>62882213>Did you know during the Revolutionary War the French and Spanish contributed around 100,000 soldiers to the Americans? But I am sure they would have been fine without them! Fuck off you retarded mong.Now explain the difference between France in the 18th century and Korea in the 21st.I'll wait.
>>62882169They can also inflict pain by opening up US oil production and LNG exports, which hurts Russia's primary source of cash.
>>62882234I dislike that strategy because it's leading to an enormous amount of pointless death, but the fact that Russia is sprinting to keep up with America's casual stroll means that they're utterly fucked in the long run.
>>62882235What does that have to do with anything? In the Revolutionary War, the British, at their height, had a global force of around 55,000 soldiers. Globally. The Revolutionaries had, in North American alone, around 65,000. Then they had 10,000 French added in and 60,000 odd attacking Gibraltar and other locations. Are you honestly telling me the introduction of 70,000-100,000 extra troops was not a vital part of why the Americans won? You're fucking retarded if you think so.>b-b-but differenceIf you give Russia 100,000 troops they will run those 100,000 troops in meat waves and take 5km. In the process, Ukraine loses troops, munitions and equipment. Then Russia does their meat waves. If you do not understand why giving one side 100,000 more men (and equipment) is an advantage then I don't know what to say and I am not going to waste my time on you.Again, you're clearly sticking to your script of>UKRAINE DOESN'T NEED MORE HELP THEY'RE FINE THY CAN TAKE ON RUSSIA AND NORTH KOREA AT THE SAME TIME E-Z WE SHOULD BACK OUT AND BUILD ROADS AND HOSPITALS IN USA OF THE YOU ESS EH RIGHT OHIO OBLAST BROS?
>>62882245That’s a part of the sanctions/soft power part of the negotiations. There’s already talks of trump already considering to do it. What they need is the hard power aspect, which they relied on Ukraine ability to strike deep into Russia. Which is now out of the table and there isn’t much to offer that the Biden administration hasn’t offered already.
>>62882250My point being, you fucking retard, is that France was a major power in the 18th century with a navy capable of contesting the British and enough national wealth to fund the US. The US revolutionary war was a fucking SIDESHOW to the actual war.
>>62881466>At the current rate of advance Putin will die of old age beforeNah. He's going to rot out from ass cancer first.
>>62882251>there isn’t much to offer that the Biden administration hasn’t offered already.qualitatively yes, but quantitatively there's a whole lot of room for threats/escalation. 50 ATACMs is very different to 1000 ATACMs.
>>62882303
>>62881656The eggs are measured and the cauldron is bubbling. Soon the cake will be baked and the west will understand everything.
>>62882371pfffftahahaUkies should be dropping leaflets of that all over Moscow during their drone attacks. Nothing hits russia harder than hurting putin's fragile ego.
>>62880787Inb4 "The West and its allies bully poor Rossia, while it has been Rossia who 90000 years ago created all that mankind holds dear, but Rossia will no longer play nice! No! We will continue to blablabla Ukraine blablabla Biden administration blablabla maybe your next President will be smarter and not ATTACK poor Rossia in its own land blablabla we are in the fullest right to DEFEND our land with all means at our disposal! REMEMBER these choices you have made lands of the Western lands!Everybody: ZZZzzZzZZzzZZzzzzz
>>62882303Memories of being a kid and having to poop while in class.
>>62882316Not necessarily, biden basically authorized a speed run of the current aid until January 20th. So essentially they are going to give aid every week, which might have more ATACMs depending on what ukraine wants.
Never knew /k/ were so warmonger, hope you all enjoy WW3!
>>62882660/k/ has been salivating for WW3 since at least 2014 tourist
>>62882660>Never knew /k/ were so warmongervegeta, what does the scouter say about his newfaggotry level?
>>62882669It’s been longer than that.
>>62882660WW2 was one of the best things to happen to the American economy. I welcome it
>>62882660>Never knew /k/ were so warmongeryeah we know, we just don't know why you are still fucking /here/
>>62881128>we want to fix our own problemsLol, no you dont
Would actually be pretty funny if Monke actually declared war on NATO tomorow.
>>62882660>hope you all enjoy WW3!you too
>>62882660Go back to /pol/ you whiny crybabby tourist faggot.
>>62881511Zigger, why do you pay money for these retard maps?
>>62882133Plenty of russians are getting bottomed tho
>>62881347They moved them months ago, are you retarded?
>>62882660First visit to /k/ ..?Simply adorable. Now, go dip your toe in /pol/ and see what those faggots are after.
>>62882133You mean the ones that launched kalibrs yesterday?
>>62880168Call me in two weeks when nothing happened and Russians keep advancing
>>62882591The US has the power to supply thousands more ATACMS than they currently have, plus they haven't even sent any cruise missiles afaik
>>62880864>/pol/ can't meme
>>62881656Banana
>>62880864lots of seething trannies replying to this post. did you take it personally?
>>62881553>>62881559Russia captured 500 square kilometers per month through August, September, and October. The territory marked yellow being captured in a few months fits that pace.
>>62884146Proof.
>>62884160
>>62884164
>>62884146500km^2 across the entire front is very different from 500km^2 in one specific location, to the point that I would say it's disingenuous to imply that they're comparable.
>>62884307Kupyansk direction is the only direction I didn't depict and that's 260 square kilometers.
>>62884392
>>62880787Red line status: crossed
>>62880912Which scumbags?
>>62881026>the leftThe poster randomly spergs out about trannies. Most of the right wingers on /pol/ are pro-Russia as fuck.
>>62881727BRING IT DOWN BITCH
>>62885585>> UK and France green-light Scalps/Stormshadows.That french article was edited hours later to remove any reference to them. Make of that what you will
>>62881656So far they've managed to cut some undersea cables. Wow, big whoop. Good way to get any russian ship sunk on sight.
>>62882169>Now that’s off of the tableI mean, maybe he could ACTUALLY lift off that stupid ban instead of lifting it off only for the Kursk area. So no, it's not off the table.
>>62880757>Next up: Houthis "somehow" get their hands on Islanders and start sinking shipsNot if the rangers have anything to say about it.
>>62881314Georgians. Not that surprising when the most famous person to have come out of that state is Joseph Stalin.
>>62880230Like a children's hospital
