What's the point of having a 1-6+ LPVO on a general purpose rifle when 99.9% of justified shootings occur within 100 yards? You're adding 20-30oz of extra weight in exchange for magnification that you'll never use outside of a one-way range.Using anything other than a red dot (with optional magnifier) on your go-to rifle shows you care more about LARPing than practicality.
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M1014 is for HD.Striker fired optic ready compact with strobe light for CCW self-defense.The rifle is for SHTF so you better have that 500 yard capability.
>general purpose rifle >home defense gun pick one you fucking retarded faggot
Why limit yourself to "justified" shootings?
Metafaggotry is boring, and I actually like guns. If a metafag dislikes my guns, I take it as a compliment. I also do not have an instagram.
>>62883294>general purpose rifledefine "general purpose" finding yourself in a close range firefight sounds like you are going to be rather dead rather quickly unless supported by a large organization. to me, general purpose means hunting, self defense, and range shooting.
>you'll never use it irl!t. owner of many frivolous things
>>62883506>500 yard capability.why?
>>62884291maybe because there is zero organization and in a SHTF you would probably need to be hitting some kind of organized force to get supplies and stuff and shooting from far away keeps you alive longer if you don't suck at it as opposed to assaulting a fortified position like a suicidal retard. you don't assault a fortified position unless you have artillery and the artillery has recently been dropped all over them.
>>62884291stop pretending to be a stoik voice of reason
>>62884280This.
>>62883294>adding 20-30oz of extra weightFor one, the AR is already an inherently light carbine. For two, balance is more important than overall weight with small arms. Your midwit ass probably has a government profile barrel too lol.One advantage of the lpvo is simplicity and consistency. Your cheek weld is always the same, your gun always feels the same, it's nice. Also some people prefer to use their gun for precision target shooting, hunting, pest control, putting down animals ect. And in adverse environments having two lenses instead of four to collect dust, dirt, snow, rain, and condensation can be an advantage. I don't know why I even bother. This argument is going to continue for the next 15 years. It's the new 9mm vs 45.>>62884280basedpicrel, new upper I built, I'm trying a dot again because my first one was actually a vortex 1x prism lol. I wonder how many people in this thread even own a carbine
>>62883294>99.9%It's more like 99.9999%. There has never been a single recorded justified DGU outside of 100 yards. That 0.0001% is margin for error in the case that some farmer sniped a crackhead going through his tool shed and never told anyone.
>>62883294>that you'll never use outside of a one-way range.To me, "general purpose" means hunting, target shooting, and shooting for fun: all things I do regularly.>justified shootingsI'm not really concerned about those, and they don't seem very "general" purpose to me. I dunno about most people, but I shoot a lot more paper than I do people.> on your go-to rifle shows you care more about LARPing than practicality.I'd argue that suggesting your """""go-to""""" rifle has anything to do with combat is the bigger larp.
>>62883294If you shot at anything other than white paper on a flat range you'd know why LPVO's are basically cheat codes.
>>62884745If you shot at distances you'd be realistically likely to use your rifle at (which is already an extremely unlikely possibility), you know a red dot is basically a cheat code compared to an LPVO
>>62884733Not that anon and not necessarily trying to argue against you. Seriously asking here. Isn't a general purpose rifle kinda useless? Wouldn't it be better to have a dedicated gun for whatever you're going to do?
>>62884705>Muh gun is for le shtf killing zombies in an apocalypse scenarioreeno!!>Heh... Weight doesn't matter Found the non-hiker. Forget about hiking, you've never had a duty rifle issued to you. And no, your basic training bullshit doesn't count.
>>62884753Objectively incorrect for anyone without perfect eyesight. I wear glasses and have astigmatism. LPVO gives me all of the benefits of a red dot, with the plus for much better vision capabilities and reticle clarity at a wide variety of ranges. Don't get me wrong, I run an Aimpoint on my 10.5" but on my 16" it's a LPVO and I'd never dream of using anything else. >>62884766>babe wake up, a tornado is headed towards our neighborhood and may wipe the house out, grab your stuff we have to leave! QUICK!>h-hold on wifey... let me grab my carry gun, my 10.5" AR15, my 18" 308 rifle, and my .338 Lapua before we leave. g-gotta be prepared XDLiterally what you sound like.
>>62884766>Wouldn't it be better to have a dedicated gun for whatever you're going to do?Absolutely, assuming you can afford multiple guns that is.My point was really semantics: that shooting people isn't very "general". A lot of gun owners love to fantasize about combat larps where they save their family from a home invasion against a horde of drugged-out zombie nigger nazis but the reality is that "general purpose" for 99% of gun owners is shooting paper for funzies, and therefore it makes more sense to focus gun builds around that.
>>62883294My T2 is like looking through my eyes but with a dot on the target.My Elcan is like looking through my eyes when I was 20 but with a dot on the target.Everything through the Elcan is just crisp, clear, and perfect resolution in a way my eyes just fucking aren't anymore.
>>62884686tl;dr fag
>>62884888you won't do shit etc. all you need is a regular m4 looking rifle with an aimpoint
>>62883294>99.9% of justified shootings occur within 100 yardsMy man, I have needed 8x binos for making shit out inside 100y, especially in cover or shitty lighting conditions. PID remains a complete bitch and it's not something I get to work on very often either.If that sounds useless to your use case, then yeah, I wouldn't bother with that extra weight either. A good dot is fine too, and I'm all for saving money on solutions to problems you don't have.
>>62884949NTA. I would consider a barebones functioning rifle with irons to be good enough though dots/holosights do help with quicker target acquisition.
>>62884309why would I try to do that with an AR? what advantage is that going to get me against an organized force? >>62884315it's>stoic you blibbering retard.
>>62883294The DC sniper is proof of how effective long-distance attacks can be at creating panic by even a small group.
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>>62883294Magnifiers suck ass. You’re just making your 2MOA dot into a 20MOA smear
>>62885070I'm not encouraging or condoning their actions, but when two guys managed to make an entire region of the US afraid to STEP OUTSIDE for weeks, it's silly to discount the value long range capabilities offer to a small unofficial force.
>>62885086were you actually alive for that?the world kept turning.
>>62885093>were you actually alive for thatI was. I still pace at the pump.
>>62884705what handguard is that? i like the lack of pic rail on top
>>62884789Then why aren't USPSA shooters using LPVOs on their PCCs? >Inb4 we're talking about rifles and rifle distancesI said realistic distances. Which is anywhere from 5 to 25 yards like your average USPSA match. If LPVOs were faster, everyone would be using them. The reason they're used three gun is because sometimes the distance extends unrealistically far out.
>>62884789>>babe wake up, a tornado is headed towards our neighborhood and may wipe the house out, grab your stuff we have to leave! QUICK!>h-hold on wifey... let me grab my carry gun, my 10.5" AR15, my 18" 308 rifle, and my .338 Lapua before we leave. g-gotta be prepared XDSo it is for combat then, right? Then not a general purpose gun? >>62884792As you can see from the other reply I got, it seems that general purpose rifles are considered the go to combat rifles by the majority of normies. Dedicated guns are better at punching paper, hunting, sports, etc.
I love that you can still filter out what posts are worth reading by their spacing after all these years.
>>62883294imagine the ar fags thinking that a rifle is for use within 100 yards, this fucking cancer has to stop
Honest answer? 99% of the who buy gucci gear like LPVO's, go all in on kitting out their rifles and getting plate carriers and nods, are larping as operators. It's literally just military cosplay, and they have layers and layers of justifications and reasoning that is all a facade for their delusion that they will ever need it. It would be way better served if they just admit to themselves and others, that it's just a hobby and its okay as long as they have the money to blow on it.
>>62883506>SHTFnever gonna happen, delusional cope to justify financially irresponsible decisions.
>>62884291That seems like a silly question to ask. Do you not see a scenario where you could have to shoot at 500 metres and out? In a proper SHTF situation?
>>62885016>why would I try to do that with an AR?I never specified that an AR should be used for that. an AR, unless specialized, is really only useful out to about 300 yards. a bolt action is probably more useful than an AR for long distance occupying force resistance in a SHTF scenario.
>>62885219Tell that to every police department in the US that's been issuing AR-15s as patrol rifles with qualification courses <100 yards. AR-15s excel inside those distances and outclass handguns, PCCs, and shotguns.>>62885247this
>>62885277at 500m why the fuck would I not disengage and survive?
>What is target ID
>>62885832I don't even need sights. I just point in the general direction and utter "Jesus take the wheel".
>>62883294Why do you need a magnifier if "99.9% of justified shootings" happen within 100 yards? It's unnecessary weight.You obviously care more about LARPing than practicality.Good bait, you got me to respond
>>62883294Why do you need a red dot just use a laser that's zeroed for 50 yards
>>62886202Let's carry this to it's logical conclusion. > The overwhelming majority of self defense shootings occur within 7y> 7y is roughly the length of the longest hallway in most family homes> Handgun experts commonly refer to point shooting as the single most important skill for self defense shooting, because "you will never even see your sights in a gunfight"> Rifles inherently point more easily than handguns by nature of being shouldered> Ergo, any and all sights on a self defense rifle are superfluous
>>62883294>magnification that you'll never use outside of a one way rangeOdds are I will never have to use my rifle outside of a one way range either
>>62883294Yea, they're dumb unless you use the rifle for hunting too or like shooting out to moderate distances and just wanna use one rifle for both. Red dot and a magnifier to throw on it is the correct choice for a defensive rifle or a general purpose rifle where those things aren't a concern. MPVO and a backup red dot is the correct choice for a rifle you expect to use at longer ranges but might need to use defensively at close range. LPVOs are largely a meme
>>62885045Most of his attacks were close range shots out of the trunk of a chevy with a firing port cut into it. Pic rel was his rifle. Notice the optic lel
>>62886377I never realized it was a pre-512 model sight.
>>62886377Eokek chads, rise up
>>62885277checked. SHTF wont ever happen. since 08 people have been prepping. When an acutal global event occured where everything was locked down nothing happened. people got rich and everything bounced back
>>62885077>being this retarded
If i can see the target I can hit it faster with a dot.If i can't see it, I can hit it faster with a lpvo
>>62883294Most of my rifles have a red dot for a reason, if I was gonna magnify at all it would be acog and rmr, good out to 500 yards
>>62885016>blibberingit's blithering, you imbecil
>>62887105I have exps3 and g45 and that shit is just too heavy I usually leave the magnifier off It’s just annoyingly heavy and bulky G45 legit feels like it’s made of lead
>>62883294red dot & magnifier has the issue of wetting updoesn't sound bad until you're in anywhere cold & rainy, then you can't see shit & have to wipe it every 5 secondssomething like an acog or lpvo, with a piggybacked reflex, has less of an issue with that, as instead of having 3-4 lenses covered in water, it will only be 2 individually separate lensesif you're in a desert or a range, its not really an issue, but if you're trying to have a legit all weather fighting rifle, just get a ta110 acog & put an rcr on it
>>62883294I personally see the application of the red dot+ magnifier combo if you're a NODchuck and want to maximize your ability to passive aim. That or aesthetics, certain guns just look good with the magnifier combo just like how some look good with an ACOG. LPVOs just look gay imo, there's never been a rifle that's been improved visually by including one>but muh performanceI shoot paper, trash, and occasionally varmints, I doubt you're much different. Even if you were a comp shooter I thought the meta there was still red dots>>62884280Based, I hate watching people be bullied and railroaded into guns they don't like or find cool
>>62885708It may not even be a human you're aiming at, but perhaps something you'd like to eat.
>>62883294>terrain>(range) overmatch>every man a DMRCan't hit what you can't see, even within 200m. This >>62887186
>>62887423why am I using a LVPO for hunting instead of a real scope with far better light gathering, weight and magnification?
>>62887693Because it's unlikely you want to be lugging around two rifles everywhere. If you do decide to go that route, that's also valid, but it's not practical for most people.
>>62883294Idiot. It's fun to shoot long range when you can. True test of skill.
>>62884280most sane post.
>>62884309>There is zero organization >You'll be fighting an organized force>With a baseThis is the level of larp we see with the delusional. >A mosin would actually get you killed in shtf>My Ruger American in 7mmRUM will get me out of this situation
>>62883294>What's the point of having a 1-6+ LPVO on a general purpose rifle when 99.9% of justified shootings occur within 100 yards? You're adding 20-30oz of extra weight in exchange for magnification that you'll never use outside of a one-way range.Better target identification/observation.
>>62885247>99% of the who buy gucci gear like LPVO's, go all in on kitting out their rifles and getting plate carriers and nods, are larping as operators. It's literally just military cosplay, and they have layers and layers of justifications and reasoning that is all a facade for their delusion that they will ever need it.Yeah, you raise a good point. Non the less... BILL OF RIGHTS NOT BILL OF NEEDS, I have the RIGHT to be financially irresponsible by buying gear I'll probably never use outside of a range or hike.
>>62883294>justified shootingsWho said anything about justification?
>Unironically being a boogtard in 2020+4>Unironically playing dress up as a grown man>Unironically trying to justify your shitty purchases>Unironically thinking you're a heckin trad revolutionary on a guyanan spearfishing forumI thought autists were immune to advertising, looks like rabbi shekelberg got you guys too
>>62884280Lad.
>>62884280I'd do a range day with you.
>>62883294>What's the point of having a 1-6+ LPVO on a general purpose rifleFun. More versatile because 1x to 6/8x so you can do one range trip and enjoy plinking at 20yds or sending it out to 400 yds. Can use it for ethical hunting as well. Still viable as a defensive weapon, an extra 20-30oz isnt going to exhaust you as you carry it from your bedroom to your hallway. In other words: you're gay.
>>62888062A better question is why nobody makes an LPVO with a decent size objective lens. I grabbed one of those 3x Nikons before they got out of the scope business and now I wish I'd grabbed a dozen.
>>62885165KE Arms makes one like that but it's way overpriced.
