Su-75 for export?I'll take 12.
get off the gaylienware little nigga
>>62886977The photos are from the airshow that was recently in China.
>>62886980>>62886989This shit is so unimpressive it's sad
>>62886975OK, delivery time 20-40 years. Also, we reserve the right to steal them for our own use. Most importantly...>No refunds
>>62887256>delivery time 20-40 years.Lol wut? Russian industry is pumping out military hardware in record speeds. I’m guessing they will restart the Amata program later too and perfect the design using knowlegde gained from the SMO.We could unironically see France or Germany buying Russian planes and tanks in a decade or two.
>>62887326try harder anon, this is pathetic
>>62887326+200 rubles Contract delayed 0.2 minutes
>>62887326>Amata programalmost 3 years of war and SAARmata is still being coped about
>>62886975>>62887026>The most advanced complex of aircraft equipment*in Arma only
>>62886975Reminder that they offered this thing and the Su57 to Peru and Brazil wnd were literally mocked by BOTH for not being able to feasibly mass produce them. Peru just announced they're buying the KF21 over this fucking joke. Yes 3rd world Indios and Favela monkies even think they are above buying Russian.
>>62887550I don't see one mustang in that lot. Checkmate, Russia.
>>62887590Senior Lieutenant John Hamburger of Altus Air Force Base here, I drive the premium high tech "Cybertruck" and "Lambourghini" complex at the envy of the whole base population, but my F-22 Raptor is a rusted scrap heap that even the C-141 pilots point and laugh at me in the skies.
>>62887654I agreed. I am Joey Montorres-Smithford in Los Andzhelez oblast. Let us admonish premier Baidan and alert him to stop wasing Burgeruble on byndogles like stealthyet because it is not viable for compete against Russian sky bear and powerful eastern rival of Kitai. our mony best be spend elsewhere we are of shortage of heating oil feom russiam sanctions and am besieged by wild homo, no explainingtion for why should spend on xoxolxomo regiem.
>>62887026go ahead and justify that statement
>>62887326What the fuck are you talking about? Why would anything change?
>>62886975could i use one as a daily driver maybe like to get mcdonalds or something that would be pretty cool
>>62887326
>>62887991There's no McDonald's in Alaska?
>>62888021i live in flordia
>>62887326No, anon. We Malaysians were left high and dry for our Fulcrums. If it wasn't for India, our Flankers would soon be museum pieces too. Russia is a flaky arms supplier with shitty after sales service.
>>62887326Three years into a three day special military operation, Russia economy in fall war mode, production lines at maximum capacity.AlsoIran, send me drones, artillery, short-range ballistic missiles...China, send me washing machine components that total will not be used in weapons...Oh god I need more, HELP ME KIMMY, send artillery, MRBM, troops, T-34’s, canned dog meat, send EVERY THING…
>>62886975>light weighttacitcalif they cannot be bothered to read the paragraph of promo text they wrote, how likely is they can produce an aircraft that won't fall out of the sky?
>another armatard cope thread
>>62886989>Max range of of air target detection with RCS of 5 m2 - 160kmRoughly translates to80km -> 1.25m240km -> 0,3125m220km -> 0,078125m210km -> 0.01953125m25km -> 0.004882813m22.5km -> Oops, there is a F35 right in front of me, didn't notice it up to now
>>62890227The lowest RCS of the F-35 is 0.005 m2.160*(0.005/5)^0.25 = 28.45 km as the detection range at the best angle for the F-35.
>>62887326That's some nice shit postin' you got there son.
>>62890283>The lowest RCS of the F-35 is 0.005 m2.wrong
You know why it's called the Checkmate?Because once the check clears, uhh...because once the check clears... They'll say "see you later, mate." no doesn't work. Somebody help me workshop this one.
>>62886989>6 targets trackedAPG-68 tier, lmao
>>62890403How many of these did iran have when the jews bombed them with impunity
>>62886975Eh, I'll buy the cobi model.>>62887326>artillery shellsActual good production volume.>shasneedsDecent.>Vehicles90% refurbishments and running out of stored shit fast.>anytthing modernEither single digit production numbers per year or downright vaporware.
>>62887654>>62887676I Ivan Opohmel. I engineer at OKB Dry. I invite you comrades to work in our OKB.Salary good, last month I received 50000 roubles.Work interesting. I design plug that ensures pilot is securely attached to ejection seat. analogovnet!Our employer offer high level protection from conscription. In autumn 2022 only 10% of my comrades were summoned.Of course your work will contribute to inevitable defeat of nazism and capitalism. We welcome our wester comrades to join us. FSB security checks very fast, just few months.
>>62890428the US is 100% refurbishmentsthe last abrams hull was produced in 1995
>>62890850I know this only replaces like a quarter of the yearly losses but Russia made like 260 T-90 hulls in 2023.
>>62890861>Russia made like 260 T-90 hulls in 2023.thats a shitton of tanksthe totality of the "west" pooled together would make a fraction of that
>>62891130Truely the west has fallen and russia is stronk and not fucking up an invasion 1000 days in at the cost of almost .75 million kia
>>62886975I'd buy a femboy
>>62890332Kek
>>62891156>If I use randomly generated reports from Ukraine's general staff I can increase 400k casualties to 750k kia.
>>62891428I thought the official cope was 73,000 ded russians, which follows the normal zigger tactic of just dropping a zero. Seems like youre questioning the MoD cumrag
>>62886975>I'll take 12.The first one will be delivered to you in 2091
>>62887326armchair... is that you?
>>62886975>I'll take 12.Wow, buying the entire production run in one go?You must be feeling spicy.
>>62886975it has a weird X-32 vibe
>>62892299
A whole decade's production? You're insane!
>>62887326>Russian industry is pumping out military hardware in record speeds.May we see it? And no, buying from North Korea and Iran don't count.>muh ArmataLMAO, quick reminder that the only company producing engines for that vapourware parade float has gone bankrupt shortly after the start of the Ukraine War and been left to rot ever since. That engine is now genuinely lost technology.
>>62891130The totality of the west also wouldn't lose thousands of tanks and AFVs in a year.
>>62886975An F-5 / F-16 style cheap stealth fighter is something the US or the Chinas should have made years ago, atlleast for export. Why haven't they, is there simply no point to a budget stealth platform?
>>62892351> Why haven't theyThey did.It’s called the F-16.And lately, the F-35.
>>62892404I think American society could be a lot more advanced if they didn't spend 2 trillion dollars on the F-35.
>>62892460That’s nice.You’re wrong. And nobody asked.
>>62892336>The totality of the west also wouldn't lose thousands of tanks and AFVs in a year......except...it did...in ukraine....
>>62892460The vast majority of countries that did not spend vast sums of money on the F-35 are worse off than all of those who did.
>>62892673>The vast majority of countries that did not spend vast sums of money on the F-35 are worse off than all of those who did.except its literally the opposite and every country that spent vast amounts of money on the f35 was so dissapointed with its delivered capabilities that they are all embarking on programs to create clean-sheet designs to rectify the littany of issues and outright failure of the f35 programbut how europe will pay for, design and serially produce of theoretical jet of such immense complication remains completely unexplainedThe US +$1 trillion multi decade efforts fruit was the spoiled f35how much will these "GCAP" or "euro-NGAD" costnone of these countries have ever built anything remotely close, so they will start with 6th gen clean-sheets?its fucking preposterous and the money would be better spent trying to figure out how to make a larger f35 bay and put more fuel into itliterally what capabilities are the upcoming euro-fighters supposed to have that the f35 didnt market ?
>>62887326this is a nafo board gtfo
>>62892961>this is a nafo board gtfobbc puccians cant compete
>>62892504Proofs
>>62890422probably, like, six
>>62887326Wow this is some grade A cope.
>>62892734The one-size fits all approach to military development has never worked out. Look at Armata, LCS, UCP camo, FCS MGV etc. I bet it would be cheaper to develop 3 individual stealth fighters for the three branches that desire them, instead of trying to shoehorn a VTOL concept into airforce service. There is also the question of stealth even is worth it in 2024, if low RCS can be neglected in favour of superior jamming and EW.
>>62892978It's pretty funny to me that they went nuts over the video of that dude losing a leg to a landmine because it was such a stark contrast to similar videos we've seen of Russians. More often than not the Russian shoots themselves or bites a grenade as soon as he realizes he's suffered a life threatening wound. That dude immediately triaged himself then crawled into a transport to be medevac'd, and survived. Not the own they thought it was
>>62891450That's the mediazone figure you ape, that's basically only confirmed deaths via public obituaries and people talking about their dead SMO loved ones on telegram using their name.It's the absolute minimum Russian deathtoll.
>>62886975Seeing the rate of production of the SU-57, it's easy to estimate that at full war-time capacity, Russia would be able to produce one SU-75 every three years, by redirecting all non-essential ressources to this program.An order of 12 would take them around 36 years to complete, and that's assuming the quality isn't total trash, like with the current state of the SU-57.
>>62887326>Lol wut? Russian industry is pumping out military hardware in record speeds.Bait, FSB Glowie or Genuine Mental Retardation?CALL IT!
>>62894717IIRC there has been a russian sucide on camera every day of November so far
>>62887326>We could unironically see France or Germany buying Russian planes and tanks in a decade or two.*LAUGHS IN RAFALE-EASILY-BEATS-THE-SU57*HON HON HONHON HON HON HONHON HON HON
>>62892961>this is a nafo board gtfo
>>62894743Holy shit /k/ has become way more retarded since 2022. The only real advantage the Rafale has is the Meteor missile, thanks to the R-77 and R-37 """hypersonic"""" missile being absolute shit. The plane's AESA sucks, it's a 4th gen design introduced 20 years too late with ugly canards. The stupid nationalistic drive to develop local airplanes is gonna kill europe, same goes with Sweden's Gripen retardness and the dogshit eurofighter, we could have a continent of F-35s if we weren't idiots. The french know how to look sexy and make baked treats, not how to build planes.
>>62886975>>62887001>X-32 but lameLMAO common, is this war thunder? I guess the leak will be incomming
>>62894764Too much Retard Cope Text so didn't read.I already know what my answer is anyway.What are the Electronic warfare Capabilites on the Rafale's Radar System?Read this you uncultured Zigger swine :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_SpectraThe Rafale can absolutely destroy the SU57 simply because the SU57 can't target the Rafale using it's Radar.The EW suite of the Rafale is simply too advance for 3-Decades-in-the-past Russhit Tech.The SU57 cannot lock on the Rafale, while the Rafale can lock on the SU57.The only chance the SU57 can take down a Rafale is with a direct hit from it's canon, which is going to be hard, since the Rafale is just as good as the Russian piece of garbage in Aerobatics.Do you even know what Radar the SU57 uses?The N036 Byelka is ABSOLUTE GARBAGE compared to the French made Thales Spectra.(You) clearly don't know what you're talking about.Russians are using Garmin GPS for their frontline jet fighters.You really think they're capable of locking onto a Rafale, that is made specifically to fuck with Russian Radars, denying them target acquisition while simultaneously acquiring them and shoooting them down with what is currently the longest range and most feared missile system in the fucking world?BOMBOCLAT! Ya DunKnow SHIT Ya ZiggZigging Zigger, BattyMan PussyOh!Ya bettah put sum clothes Pon' ya argument or Fence Up an argument!Getdafuckouttahere withdatgayshit!
>>62894829>BOMBOCLAT! Ya DunKnow SHIT Ya ZiggZigging Zigger, BattyMan PussyOh!>Ya bettah put sum clothes Pon' ya argument or Fence Up an argument!>Getdafuckouttahere withdatgayshit!This is what I meant about retarded. >The SU57 cannot lock on the Rafale, while the Rafale can lock on the SU57. Since we're citing wikipedia, read this you uncultured french swine:https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_RBE2#RBE2-AESAThey are PROUD about being able to lock a passenger plane at 200k, that is almost embarrassing. Compare that to the atleast 20 year old AN/APG-77, which can lock 1 m2 at 200 km. The smallest estimate for the RCS of a passenger plane (737-400) is around 1000 m2, the biggest estimate of the frontal RCS of an Su-57 is 5 m2 (russians claim 0.1 m2 which is retarded propaganda). Radar scales to the fourth root of the RCS, which gives an estimated lock-range of 63.2 km. I agree from the bottom of my heart that the Byelka is shit, but I would be stunned if it somehow is worse than the tiny french radar, especially given its higher amount of T/Rs. You are also forgetting the EO system of the Felon, while a retarded RCS increasing addition to the plane it essentially lets it bypass the EWAR measures of the Rafale, especially given its reported range of 185 km (even assuming that the russians doubled it for propaganda effect it is still outside of the Rafales lock range). The Meteor is a great missile, probably the best BVR one in the world, but putting it on a platform like the Rafale is fucking retarded. I'm not making a point that the 57 is good, I'm making a point that the Rafale is even more shit. A single F-35 pilot could down an SU57 after 10 beers with a sidewinder.
>>62894932>the biggest estimate of the frontal RCS of an Su-57 is 5 m2 (russians claim 0.1 m2 which is retarded propaganda)There are plenty of simulations that give the Su-57 a similar RCS to the Russian claim of 0.1 m2.https://xcancel.com/Flankerchan/status/1726523324942196999#m
Even the Su-35 would have an RCS of less than 2 m2.https://xcancel.com/Flankerchan/status/1750329154514669776#m
>>62886975>>62887326This has to be a troll. Is this guy really this much a retard?
>>62894932>This is what I meant about retarded.Ziggers can't understand humour it seems.Poor bloke, sarcasm and humour are appaently foreign to the russoid mind.You're probably too low IQ to recognize banter when you see it.>>62894932>They are PROUD about being able to lock a passenger plane at 200kCherrypicking an experiement the French did in 2011?HAHAHA, again you look like a fool. The Rafale's Radar is indeed much superior to the SU57, as per EVERY RADAR EXPERT EVER.Quoting from the same paragraph you quoted :>Jamming and decoy resistance capabilities have been improvedBack in 2011.>The RBE2-AESA also enables automatic terrain-following flight and presents the pilot with high-resolution mapping for identification, recalibration or designation of land and naval targets. In addition, its increased performance ensures better resistance to enemy jamming systems.But we're not finished. We're still in the same paragrah you quoted to try and "own" me.>This new type of antenna can also act as a radar warning system (RWR) and can even serve as a radio relay and transmit information to other devices in flight, thanks to a very high link speed.Your shitty mostly-non-existant SU57 is trash compared to the Rafale.Need more proof?How many Rafales were bought by India alone?India, you know the COUNTRY THAT EXITED THE SU57 PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY KNEW JUST HOW BAD IT WAS! AND THEN SHORTY AFTER ORDERED RAFALES FROM FRANCE?LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!cont.
>>62894932>>62895358Let's see what other retarded shit you said.>I agree from the bottom of my heart that the Byelka is shitAh something not retarded. What a surprise.I wasn't expecting that, considering the previous statements. Good, we agree then.>but I would be stunned if it somehow is worse than the tiny french radarI hope you like Stun Grenades then, because a dozen are about to blow up in your face after reading my post.>it essentially lets it bypass the EWAR measures of the RafaleCitation desperately needed, Zigger.EVERY single source says the Rafale's EW suite absolutely destroys anything Russia has, or even PRETEND they have.>"We have a 5th Gen Fighter! We swear guys! We are Modern! Cyka!Save your breath. Your low level zigger propaganda does not work on me. I am informed, and not dinsinformed, like you.>The Meteor is a great missile, probably the best BVR one in the world, but putting it on a platform like the Rafale is fucking retarded. I'm not making a point that the 57 is good, I'm making a point that the Rafale is even more shit.You say shit, you affirm it like it's truth, the Gospel even, but when asked to prove your point using credible sources you piss and shit yourself with your impotent russoid rage.Provide Source.Provide Proof.Provide Citation.Provide Link.Provide ANYTHING you white nigger.>A single F-35 pilot could down an SU57 after 10 beers with a sidewinder.First time you said something positive about the West and not Russia. Wow, I'm impressed.Also >>62895065>>the biggest estimate of the frontal RCS of an Su-57 is 5 m2 (russians claim 0.1 m2 which is retarded propaganda)>There are plenty of simulations that give the Su-57 a similar RCS to the Russian claim of 0.1 m2.>https://xcancel.com/Flankerchan/status/1726523324942196999#mSo once again, stop lying.If you're gonna throw your fake stats and fake facts around, at least provide a fake source to go with.
>>62895069>>62895065>flankerchanIm sure this is an unbiased source
>>62895392>>62895377>>62895069Oops, read that wrong.SU-57 RCS is measured to be anywhere from 0.1 to 1 square meter.The F22 is 0.0001 m2The F35 is 0.0015 m2The Rafale is 1 m2.Compared to the SU-57 being between 0.1 and 1m2, you're really not better than the Rafale, qs even the Radar Cross-section difference is not even big enough to really matter, when the Rafale Radar and EW suite are 10 000 years ahead of Russoid trash tech.>>62895392Yeah, a huge Sukhoi Fan from a third world country is totally a reliable source... according to ziggers.
>>62895443>The F35 is 0.0015 m2And he accurately calculated that in his F-35 simulations. The 0.02 m2 figure with no ram becomes 0.002 m2 with -10 dB.Thus we can trust him on the Su-57 being 0.1 to 0.2 m2 and having achieved the stated goal of the Russian patents.
>>62895443HAHA now do the s70's radar sig
>>62887951Majority of these specs are literally worse than an F-16. A 70s design.
>>62890227Its proportional to range ^4 not range ^2 so 80km = 0.3125 m^2 etc
>>62895443Rafale is a 3 m2 plane there's nothing special about its visibility.Egypt and Serbia can't even get Meteor missiles with their Rafales. Its sales will drop off fast in the next few years because of the Su-75 and J-35 likely being 100x stealthier.
>>62890403Hey guys we're the second highest for 1m2 detection but somehow we're the best for detecting stealth plane, while the country that invented them is the worst>gets owned by ATACkeMS
>>62895502Kinda irrelevant since its not made to specs as we've recently learned
>>62895594So 160/(2^3) = 20 km corresponds to 5/(16^3) = 0.00122 m2 which is the F-35.
>>62895645hurry quick ready the sack of potatoes and carrotssomeone call the drones mom and give them the bad news!
>>62890403>>62895631With the Nebo-M1/(10^3) = 0.001 m2 for the F-35 corresponds to a detection range of 480/(10^(3/4)) = 85.36 km.
>>62895674The wisdom or lack thereof in the use of the s70 is irrelevant to it being hot trash that doesnt even have the materials it was claimed to be built with, much less performing as the brochure claimed
>>62895738must be why ukrainian AD shot it down...right?
>>62895608>Rafale is a 3 m2 plane there's nothing special about its visibility.My bad, when I searched up the Rafale's RCS using search engines and AI search, the answer they gave me is a 1m RCS.I mean, it's all very dependant on a lot of factors, but my point stands, that the Radar difference between Rafale and SU57 matters much more than the relatively small difference in RCS.Furthermore, if the Rafale's EW Suite can simply 100% Cockblock (Lockblock? Kek), the SU57's Radar from locking onto the Rafale, while the Rafale doesn't have thjis problem, and can both Jam and Track the SU57 and shoot it down, al;l while making it impossible for the SU57 to shoot back.>>62895608>Its sales will drop off fast in the next few years because of the Su-75 and J-35 likely being 100x stealthier.It doesn't really matter if you're stealthy or not, if the Rafale can detect the SU-57 and J35 first, before it is itself detected, and furthermore Block their Radar from working while still targeting and shootin,g them down, you're delusional if you think >Rafale sales that are currently High are going to fall lowand>SU57/J35 sales are non-existant but will soon skyrocket, Because glory to the CCP and the USS-Russia!Be real, thirdie.You've already lost.The Western 4.5 Gen Rafale beats your "Totally-5th-Gen-Bro" pieces of shit.The J35 isn't even out yet and you're already "predicting huge succes"!!!+1200 rubles and +600000 yuan and +15 credit score for this post, comrade!
>>62895754Again, seethe as you will, but it doesnt change that the s70 isnt up to stated specs
>>62895874>stated specsmay we see those?
>>62896184Sure, go ahead and post your sukhoi fanboi twitter again
>>62896203lmfo so post the 'stated specs' you claim the s70 fails to meet
>>62896246Again, feel free. I dont particularly care about your sukhoi obsession and im not posting shit for you, because im just scrolling by and seeing your retardation every now and again. Im not the rafale guy that was btfoing you.
>>62896288>to stated specswhat stated specs did the s70 fail to meet?i never said anything ever about s70 specs, so please be specific
>>62896421Probably the lack of stealth coating but again, you still havent posted so you can screech about the ukies not shooting one down, is that about right schizo?
>>62896499>you still havent postedthe burden of truth is on you faggotYOU said the s70 "didnt meet stated specs"here >>62895874i want you to tell me the specific "stated specs" the s70 failed to meet
>>62896512Again, seethe. I don't care but you seem pretty invested in this.
>>62896522lol imagine a Chinese j20 shooting down a Chinese stealth drone over hawaiian soil, and the US doesnt even know about it untill the tik-tok vidya's start rolling in kek
APG-77 AESA (F-22A)For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 112 km+For RCS 1.0 m2 classtarget: 200 km+ For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 300 km+For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 355 km+CAESAR AESA (EF-2000 Tranch3, post-2015 with 1,500 T/Rs)For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 104~122 km+For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 185~216 km+For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 278~324 km+For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 330~385 km+PG-63 V2/V3/V4 AESA (F-15C/E/SG)For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 81~104 km+For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 144~185 km+For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 215~278 km+For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 255~330 km+APG-81 AESA (F-35A/B/C)For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 90 km+For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 160 km+For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 240 km+For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 285 km+PG-79 AESA (F/A-18E/F and EA-18G, Block 2 and 3)For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 72 km+For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 128 km+For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 192 km+For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 228 km+CAPTOR (EF-2000 Tranch 1 and 2)For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 70 km+For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 124 km+For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 185 km+For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 220 km+RBE-2 AESA (Rafale F4, post-2012)For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 62~73 km+For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 110~130 km+For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 165~195 km+For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 195~230 km+APG-80 AESA (F-16E)For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 62 km+ ForRCS 1.0 m2 class target: 110 km+For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 165 km+For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 195 km+
>>62895851>if>ifyeah
>>62896551>HawaiiTry a country bordering China which is poor and wishes they were anywhere else, like .... any of them I guess
>>62887326>armataLMAAOOOOalso>>62894737Indian
>>62886989>Service life: 30 years>Airframe life: 6000 hours>Powerplant life: 4000 hoursAre you just supposed to hangar queen it if you want those 30 years?
>>62887001Russians are now trying to sell planes using War Thunder hangars?
>>62898205>Russians are now trying to sell planes using War Thunder hangars?yes the primary customers of the checkmate™ purchase through kiosks at Chinese airshows, much like the one that displayed this excellent demonstration of the next-generation in combat capability™! the su75 (((checkmate)))
>>62898205Unironically always have been
>>62890850They are literally manufacturing new Abrams for Australia and Romania right now.
>>62895706Sure it does fag. Keep telling yourself that.
