>The US will un-ironically begin special military operations in Mexico within the next year.Honestly, how is this going to work without the support of the Mexican government? Are we fighting the Mexican army as well?At least the go-pro footage will be good, hopefully.
>>62889110>Are we fighting the Mexican army as well?nigger, we're training them & helping assassinate cartel headswould be funny though
>>62889110>Honestly, how is this going to work without the support of the Mexican government?Why are you assuming this?it would work best if the Mexican government consents and they spin it as a joint operation of US and Mexican forces. Trump will dangle a trade deal as motivation.Done well, they can severely damage the cartels and increase the perceived legitimacy of the Mexican government's power.
>>62889110Here's what's going to happen >USA recognizes the State of Baja California, later annexes it >USA invades on multiple fronts>Naval landings in Yucatan are repelled>Ciudad de Mexico offensive stalls, USA claims it was a feint for the real goals being to take Baja California. >82nd Airborne attempts to take one (1) airport and gets decimated>Mexicans are seen as liberators in the settlements they recapture, evidence of massive US war crimes found in Ciudad de Juarez>USS Kearsarge is sunk by locally manufactured RPGs>International community condemns the United States. Germany and the UK refuse to join NATO summits. Canada takes a neutral stance, Greece invades North Macedonia realizing NATO isn't doing anything.>US armed forces take staggering equipment losses. Hundreds of Abrams tanks are captured by Mexican forces and hundreds more humvees, mraps, paladins, LAV's, Bradleys are destroyed or captured after being abandoned>Mormon Army assaults various small border towns and takes control of an undefended border crossing>They post a manifesto on Whatsapp, calling the region to secede from USA>F-16's, F-35's repeatedly downed and dare not stray to Mexican airspace, V-22's and Black hawks repeatedly hit within US territory >"Flavortown" PMC marches to Washington, gets repelled and Guy Fieri's plane gets blown up>Mexico occupies Sierra Vista, Arizona, Mitt Romney repeatedly lies about them being repelled
>we will totally solve cartels and drug dealing this time, while the media glorifies drug users domestically
>>62889286Word is, our Ranger vets are finally coming up from Baja.
>>62889110Is this an actual thing that Trump wants to do?I thought it was /k/ just spitballing.lmao I don't see Mexico playing along with this.
>>62889110We gon'na annex Mexico! Sweet!
>>62889110trump will threaten sheinbaum with crippling tariffs unless she agrees to collaborate in wiping all the cartels (kill the heads, destroy/take the finances and major manufacturing sites)his second demand will be a trump wall on mexico's southern border (very fucking hard border to cross, piss easy to defend) blocking all the illegals there instead of blocking them on the us border
>>62889110>without the support of the Mexican government?why would you assume this?
>>62889373yea its retardedif like 80% of their economy depends on trade with the US the US has ultimate leverage over them
>>62889110Fuck the Mexican government, they tried to sue like 12 major American gun companies for bullshit reasons
>>62889117Cool, los zetas cartel 2.0 about to be whipped up
>>62889148True
How fast would the US public turn against the war if a single service member is featured in a new cartel snuff film that gets distributed to everyone?
>>62889286Don't forget: the Air Force dropps 10 JDAMs a month on San Antonio by mistake
>>62889110Death penalty to anyone who does drugs.There. I just fixed the war on drugs.
>>62889110>begin
>>62889655Retarded boomer hands typed this. Just go to bed gramps
>>62889811>t. meth head
>>62889286>Barrier troops from the semi-autonomous Navajo Nation are forcing american soldiers to make suicide attacks, they shoot those who refuse and kill exchanged POWs with sledge hammers.>America is paying their only international allies of Pakistan and the Phillipines with gold bullions for rotten 155mm shells.>American mercenaries are exploiting child slave gold mines in africa for this. Mexican SOF are hunting them like rats.>After much internal and external preassure, Russia finally sends T14 Armatas to Mexico. Americans cower in fear before these sci-fi weapons.>The USA is selling nuclear weapons technology to Iraq, to get iraqi soldiers in return. They have no other way to reconquer California. Especially since millions if young american men have permanently moved to China.
>>62889368Trump won't do anything but grovel in front of someone named Sheinbaum.
>>62890174>machine translations of famous american idoms like "Take a bucket of piss and call it Granny's peach tea" get mocked the world over.>The US army forcibly conscrips hundreds of thousands of american convicts into prisoner battalions. The world learns about america's extreme gay rape culture. Chuds online try to explain why it's not gay to put your dick on another man's lips.>After parts of the us army collapse in flight, the president invites so called /k/omandos from the internet to the white house to give him an hones assessment of what's actually happened. "I didn't know that!" he is quoted as saying, when they told him about how fucked they are.
>>62889110>The US will un-ironically begin special military operations in Mexico within the next year.Yeah, we'll be training and installing the new cartel heads lmao
>>62889148Good look with Sheinbaum, she was let to ascend only for politic protection like her boss before
>>62889110If we really wanted to, we could offer the Mexican Army superior benefits and pay and I'd bet we could get them to mass-defect while remedying our own recruitment problems.
>>62890410Do we really need more US Marines?
>>62890085America will never give up it's guns or it's drugs.
>>62889286The most unbelievable thing about this is the “Greece invaded North Macedonia,” because if they really thought NATO was ruthless than they’d be preparing for a roach invasion, not over extending in the mountains
>>62890308>"I didn't know that!" he is quoted as saying, when they told him about how fucked they arelmao
Mexico is the largest concentration of russian glowies outside of pidorstan itself.Chinese are probably a close second.
>>62890308>>62890174>>62889286What this little thought experiment is missing is that the real parallel is that we're 2013 Ukraine/Russia right now, except Mexico is Russia and we're Ukrainei.e. 20% of the country is majority colonized by expats with centuries of inferiority complex and jingoism for their shithole homeland
>>62889110Most likely that Mexico will "agree" to joint operations. Trump will threaten to kill all the trade that comes from Mexico. Mexico for the first time in it's history has more middle class people than poor people and they don't want to jeprodize that by killing their growing manufacturing sector.
>>62891420Mexico is so dwarfed by the US that it really hides how big it is by any "country on earth" standards>128 million people>$1.8 trillion GDPIronically they're about to surpass Russia on both counts lel
The 2-hour SMO to de-cartelize Mexico by the 1st army of the multiverse would be funny but for a different reason. Could you IMAGINE the number of Mexicans BEGGING the US to let them collaborate? Every single gang would be desperate to switch sides. It would be the welcome with open arms meme except real lol. How many educated Mexicans wouldn’t sell their grandmother to get in with the US?
>>62889110>>62889148>>62889286>>62889353>>62889368It will never happen you fucking retards. Trump doesn’t have the power to do that.>b-but muh congress and senateThanks to his retarded ass choosing representatives to his cabinet, the house is now republican majority by a extremely thin margin. The senate are also not pro trump either. So any plans to invade Mexico will not go anywhere even if the majority leaders in congress opt in for it.>b-but muh war powers60 days until he presents a reasoning and plan on why he did the action. Congress still has the power to deny those reasonings and force the president to pull out within 30 days
>>62891395It's not a direct anology. Mexican Americans voted for Trump ironically because they're sick of crime and illegals. It would be an equal scenario if Russo-Ukrainians voted for an anti-Russia candidate to stop Russian mobsters from coming and further Russian influence.
>>62891436They likely will likely surpass Russia by the end of the year
>>62889148>they can severely damage the cartelsno they can't plus why would them someone else will just take their place
>>62889447>t. cia
>>62889110Mexico would consider the threat of military force or designating cartels as foreign terrorist organizations as an egregious violation of their sovereignty and would stop assisting with immigration and threaten to pull out of NAFTA/USMCA (giving them an advantage in trade negotiations with the U.S.) as well as probably hedging risk by moving closer to China's economic orbit.
>>62891573If Trump is dumb enough to actually go through with it, the way they'll do it is by designating cartels as foreign terrorist organizations and getting a lawyer to write a memo about how it's actually covered by the 2001 AUMF. No one can really stop them because the supreme court ruled that presidents can't be charged criminally for official acts without being impeached and convicted.
>>62891573Again, you're framing this in terms of invading Mexico. Everyone with a brain agrees that is retarded.A military operation to capture the leaders of the cartels to help begin a coordinated crackdown with the consent of the Mexican government isn't out of the question but the ball would be in their court.
>>62889295It's not about solving the drug problem, it's about the control problem.
>>62892708Do you understand what a cartel is? It's not a bunch of guys in a truck with AKs like in the videos. There are senior military officers and governors and senators and mayors and police and banks and shipping companies and mining firms and legitimate businesses involved.
ITT: retardsStop pretending this is an 80s action flick. Or Clear and Present Danger.No one is invading shit, we already have force agreements in place with Mexico. No one is fucking droning a sovereign nation or doing raids without the Mexican government's 100% approval. We import HALF A TRILLION dollars a year from Mexico. We need each other.I swear this board is 90% children with the same dull fantasies.>>62889110>The US will un-ironically begin special military operations in Mexico within the next year.They already do this, DEA already uses Mexico like its own personal training ground. Tier 1 operators would be wasted in mafia-controlled small towns; if the DEA needs anything heavy they can call on trustworthy Mexican military units (like the Marines).>>62889117>assassinate cartel heads1. That wouldn't do shit except cause a brief bloodbath and power struggle2. Mexico is a sovereign nation and would get fucking pissed; this would destroy decades of cooperation and maybe even trade3. If you did want to kill one (pointless and stupid, but ok) you could just get another cartel to do by giving his location. Or the Mexican military.Why are you killing cartel leaders that solves nothing lol>in b4 Trudeau quote>>62889367>Is this an actual thing that Trump wants to do?>I thought it was /k/ just spitballing.A majority of the fatherless disappoints on this site want Papa Trump to somehow solve an incredibly complex problem with less subtlety and finesse than the VDV.>lmao I don't see Mexico playing along with this.Really? A sovereign state having an issue with a foreign military ally killing its citizens? Why would you think that?
>>62892785whoops, meant to link >>62889353instead of >>62889367
>>62892785>We import HALF A TRILLION dollars a year from Mexico. We need each other.Mexico is a failed narco state that is 70% controlled by drug cartels, with broad swathes of the government and military in the cartel's hip pocket. It's worse than Columbia in the 80's, and a far greater threat. The border needs to be sealed off. Full stop.
>>62892785This anon gets it
>>62892801>Columbiathey make good jackets
>>62892703Won’t work because the 2001 initiative just isn’t there anymore. It still requires congress because it still cost resources. The war powers that is granted by the president is merely a credit to where they can take military action without congressional approval within 60 days. Within those 60 days, the president or whoever he sends has to find justification towards the military action and the potential consequences that is the result of those actions.
>>62892846not going to work because the Dems and Repubs like it the way it is..
>>62892708It’s not that simple. It’s still is a military invasion regardless. We also have the DEA, whose job is to find and disrupt narco networks. Utilizing the military for anti cartel operations is stupid.
>>62892785Mexico isn’t really a sovereign nation. Most nations aren’t, the handful of actually sovereign nations just pretend they are.
>>62892862>we can't bomb mexico just because we can't
>>62892791Maybe I wasn't clear enough by typing lmao but I am in agreement with you anon. I think this idea is balls-to-the-wall insane. It's a great way to drive Latin American countries (not just Mexico) into the arms of China. Drugs are a law enforcement issue. I could see Trump pressuring Mexico behind the scenes to agree to more extensive DEA cooperation and narco busting operations, but military units operating against Mexico's will? Drone striking shit as if Mexico was Afghanistan? Insane. If you want the Chinese stationing troops or making defense agreements with Latin American nations to prevent unauthorized US military incursions this is a good way to get there.
>>62889148>it would work best if the Mexican government consentsIt will ONLY work with 100% prior approval.>Trump will dangle a trade deal as motivation.They already have a pretty sweet trade deal with the richest country and sole global hegemon called NAFTA.>>62889368>>62889379Mexico could fuck us just as hard as we fuck them, if not moreso, since we import almost 500 billion a year from them. None of Trump's backers are going to let him implode the US economy by shitting up the Mexican trade agreements (our second biggest trade ally).>>62889384>Fuck the Mexican government, they tried to sue like 12 major American gun companies for bullshit reasonsI love guns and know I'll get shit for going against the party line:but it wasn't bullshit. Almost every single gun in Mexico that isn't military/LEO comes from straw buyers in the US.The final boss of gun politics is knowing the NRA exists first and foremost to act as a distraction for anti-gunners so that no one ever looks at the guns going south of the border. It's actually billions of dollars annually in just guns, and that's before we get into ammo and gear, and the cottage industry of converting semis into autos and what have you. It is only worth of 10-20% of US annual gun sales, but the 2A is never going away, whereas the guns going to Mexico could be stopped fairly easily with some dedication.Eric Holder tried to poke his nose into it and the industry came down on him like the fist of an angry God in no time at all.>t. DCfag who grew up with a lot of gun lobbyist families' kidsIt's a fairly open secret. My mom even got a high-paid job at the NRA museum but she declined it because it would have made this family happy for a change.Only smart posters ITT who can into (very) basic geopolitics:>>62889295>>62891573>>62892554>>62892678
>>62892801>grinds the US economy to a halt by making tens of thousands of items scarce>have to either make nothing or get it from China (our enemy)Yeah not gonna happen Cletus, sorry>failed narco stateOnly a small fraction of the economy (<~10%) is le drugs. I do not think you have any idea about Mexico other that what you see on TV. It is a quite high HDI country that makes a shit ton of stuff we need for our manufacturing base and services sector. They can hurt us as hard as we hurt them, ours is a symbiotic relationship.You want to stop the cartels, make Americans stop doing drugs.
>>62892874>Mexico isn’t really a sovereign nation. Most nations aren’t, the handful of actually sovereign nations just pretend they are.Mexico could kick all of our War on Drugs and other government people the fuck out if we did something stupid, and then screw up trade just enough for the President to get screaming phone calls from his top backers. So that he rescinds his orders and maybe even apologizes.That's 90% of de facto sovereignty.No, we have some leverage but not as much as most people think.
>>62892881>bombing and enraging your second biggest trading ally that a significant section of your entire economy and GDP depends onyeah
>>62892923>I do not think you have any idea about Mexico other that what you see on TV.NTA, but this is why I think Trump will invade. Or at least get Special Forces more involved and embarass the Mexican government about it.
How much do you think a cartel scalp will for?
>>62892801The problem in 1980s and 1990s Colombia wasn't just the cartels, it was the FARC communist guerrillas. Both were interlinked, the guerrillas worked with the cartels and produced and dealt huge amounts of coke themselves. In addition to terrorist activies, assassinations, car bombings, kidnapping and other shit they did.In 1990s Colombia, the FARC was in control almost half of the country, and there was real risk of the government falling. The situation in Mexico is grim but Colombia was on another level.It's amazing they managed to turn around the situation in Colombia but the Plan Colombia worked because the Colombians themselves were very much in favor of it and the government invited the US in. Anything that's not voluntary but through coercion is not gonna end well.
This thread is full of paid shillsTrump isn't going to invade anything. He's going to go balls to the wall with deportations and tell Mexico to fuck off if their Jewish president says anything.
>>62892955>Trump says he'll do something stupid that will cost his backs tens of billions and make his base despise him after he said all that good shit about not starting wars and Democrats being the real warmongerersNot gonna happen.Closest thing is a big spectacle and show of force with lots of tough talk... and the mark my words, not so much as a single US bootprint without the Mexican state's permission.Not even Trump can bear to fuck up 1 trillion in imports and exports with our biggest trading partner.
>>62892956Nothing? Because he's been replaced by someone just as ruthless and bloodthirsty, if not moreso, before the blood on that scalp has even reached room temperature?Caveman thinking like this is exactly what keeps this situation so intractable.
>>62892985>that will cost his [backers]*** billionsHA! HA! Time for bed!
Sicario and it's consequences have been a disaster for Mexican geopolitics
>>62892993That why you make fake agreements with cartels and betray them once they've served their purpose and use effectively neutralized, neutered groups forced to go legit motivated by desperation and revenge to do a lot of the dirty work. C'mon it's like you don't know how to fight savages.
>>62893012The sequel wasn't great but Sicario was pretty /k/ino
>>62892923You're brown.
>>62892906Mexico is actually now our largest trade partner. They passed China over a year ago.
>>62889110Invade Mexico and conquer it, enough said.
>>62892785>Why are you killing cartel leaders that solves nothing lolRemoves competence from the potential pool of leaders over time and makes it harder for them to keep running shit efficiently.One or two guys won't make everything vanish over night, but the more command staff types you bump off the harder it gets to keep the operation running.Say there's 5 guys at the head of the hypothetical organization:>1 guy in charge of organizing deals with other criminal organizations for the materials needed>1 guy in charge of managing and allocating financial resources>1 guy in charge of PR and keeping the public somewhat in line through soft solutions like community support efforts, social media shilling, and bribes>1 guy in charge of the security of the operation and enforcing their will on anyone not compliant>1 guy above them all that keeps everyone in check and makes the highest level decisions such as when and where to expand, also functioning as a singular figure head for the operationBumping off one of these wont kill the operation, but it will make things harder, as you either need to replace them with someone new or assume that their part of the organization can function autonomously.Bumping off all of them creates a power vacuum and will almost always result in splintering and infighting.
>>62889286day 1022: Chihuahan special forces have bombed San Marcos TX with Chancla drones
>>62892801>Columbiaidiot
