When do weapons become too expencive? These are like 900k a pop and all you get is a big crater 300 km from launch.
>>62889781>t. Uralvagonzavod executive
>>62889787OP here. I have to admit it came to my mind that certain SCUDs could do the same job for a fraction of a price. (as long as you fix CEP)
A crater where used to be an ammo depot or propellant factory
>>62889805>SCUDs could do the same job for a fraction of a price.And yet Russian modern rockets cost 1-10 millions a pop despite higher failure rate
>>62889805>as long as you fix CEPPrecision is expensive.
>>62889805> as long as you fix CEPSo it can do it for a fraction of the price, as long as you spend a shitload of money on them?
>>62889820OP here. Really? I thought russian junk is 1/20th of this price.
>>62889805>as long as you fix CEPNot exactly a small detail
>>62889835>A Kh-101 missile costs US$13 million per piece, while the total cost of the missiles of this type launched by Russia is US$1 billion. According to Defence Express, the cost of one Kalibr missile is US$6.5 million, so a total amount spent on the missiles used in the attack is US$182 million.
>>62889787
>>62889781Never. The purpose of money is military spending and the purpose of military spending is to drive the economy.
>>62889781The big crater being the remains of an ammo dump.
The real answer is “when you can’t afford enough of them to accomplish the mission you need them for”
dead russians are worth every penny
>>62889894It's different when you own the currency that the world uses and the defense industry that the worls relies on. You just print more money and/or or take on more national debt that you'll never repay.
>>62889781well, if you can figure out a way to get a cheap drone to carry a ~200 kilo warhead several hundred kilometers, then you'd make a lot of money.
>>62889937>You just print more money and/or or take on more national debt that you'll never repay.Yes, the US can do this every time except for back in 2008-09 when the stock market took a shit and real estate loans folded. Do you just not understand how the modern economy works or are you a BRICS fucker who anyway doesn't live in a free market economy which coincidentally has nothing to do with being third world?
>>62889781Are you retarded.>>62889805yup you are, nevermind.
>>62889969>the US can do this every timeEvery time until we can't, yeah. That's how empires work.
>>62890024>saaar wect has fallen saaar
>>62889781When you, the taxpayer, realize you're getting fucking FLEECED and cease complying. When others do the same, causing the government to realize the jig is up and direct their fancy new lvl IV penetrating small arms against you.
>>62889942sup
>>62889781cheap at half the price>late 80's synth banger noises
>>62892778fuck, TWICE the price
>>62889787I can never pronounce that word.
>>62889781We need to optimize it by firing 80% of Lockheed Martin employees.
>>62889937The US repays all debt.>>62892731Only works on long established targets that can't move, like factories.
>>62889835Russian junk is expensive to manufacture, but cheap to steal
>>62889835Can't embezzle if it's cheap.
>>62890914I pay moderate taxes and I deserve moderate results.
>>62889781>expencivehow do you weight the cost of killing vatniggers?simplein mobik cubes
>>62892731too big, but that's the right path. something like an enlarged shahed. if you can get one for 50 thousand with mass production per pop, you'd be far ahead of the curve.
>>62889806>just 25 or 30 more ammo dumps in kursk to go and Russia will balkanize, and Puccia will be beheaded at the hague
>>62892935Except Shaheds cost way more than $50K.
>>62892895>I pay moderate taxes and I deserve moderate results.DEALNO REFUNDS!
>>62892972>0000>turn the key, sir
>>62889781>900k a popDamn, you sure? That's only twice the price of a javelinConsidering how much certain AtS missile systems cost, that sounds like a bargain.
>>62892972>no spooky AMD psp, Intel Management Engine, or whatever the fuck Qualcomm, Huawei, and Samsung call their spooky backdoorsI fail to see what the problem is here.
>>62889781>all you getAnd yet, monke is doing his chimpout OOK!! OOK! shit-flinging dance. Curious.I suppose, (You) could also be lying and spamming the board with kremlin propaganda. Which is part of the diseased little monke's OOK!! OOK!! dance. Keep dancing, little monke. Keep dancing.
>>62892968the basic ones are around 25-50 thousand.but, if you can figure out a way to get a bigger one around 50 thousands (it could be done), you're good.
>>62892972Hey! We got rid of the floppies! It may have only been in 2019 but they're gone now and that's what matters!
>>62893560The engine for a Shahed alone costs around $35000, without a $5000 propeller included. The whole thing probably costs $100-120K. That's the cost to manufacture, btw, when Iran sells one to Russia then Russia has to pay a profit to Iran or something, Iran doesn't work at cost. When Russia makes one, they have to deal with the sudden huge inflation the country has encountered, much greater than most of the rest of the world. It just isn't that much cheaper than any other missile.
>>62893573If it'aint broke dun fix-it gyhuck hyuck guckguck hyuck!
>>62893560Russia was paying Iran close to $200k per Shahed in 2022 and RUSI estimates the Russian-made ones are in the $80k range.
>>62889781Being able to make a crater from 300km away for 900k is really fucking good. Especially if I can put that crater within 1 meter of wherever the fuck I want within that 300km radius
>>62893671iirc, that's the package deal, i.e., license to build and shipping. russia has added bloat to theirs that has increased the individual cost.
>>62893560Some incredibly based anon did an effortpost about the Shahed and showed that the $25-50k estimate that gets bandied about was bullshit. One of the gyros cost $3k on its own even before you factored in the added cost of smuggling.
>>62893130>I fail to see what the problem is here.maybe there isntunless ur magnetic tape runs out
>>62893671no they werent tard
>>62893732>a shahed costs as much as a $bmw
The missiles Iran fired at Israel are $10-20 million a pop, and they fired ~200 of them to try and get through defenses so they spent $1-2 billion for a symbolic attack.Given all the damage they caused was pic related, we probably have a winner.
>>62893799You can just make those disks she's holding yourself.
>>62893843For god's sake, they only held 1.2mb. You could conceivably transcribe that by hand.
>>62892965Shhhhhhhhhhh, don't leak shit cuh
>>62889781Alright boys, looks like the new narrative dropped.>Uh, we will not NOOK after all because ATACMS is actually useless, we also shot down all of them hehe (some airfields vaporized by fallen debris tho), no red line crossed, stupid West got off the hook this time
>>62889891Why would you put an ammo dump in the bottom of a crater? Would probably collect a lot of water
>>62889781Given countries of similar strength, if it costs more to the enemy than it does to you, that makes it worth it, right? But given the US compared to any other country, except maybe China, it turns into >>62889894. Sending in an airstrike to blow up cavemen on the other side of the planet is not economically feasible for most countries, but the US is different. >Fuck it, most of this cost makes its way back to the MIC (domestic job market) anyway
>>62892965>we don't NEED ammunition
>>62889891Those poor trees
>>62889835> I thoughtThat’s the problem
>>62892783Ural: UralVagon: wagon, a train carZavod: factorySo, an Ural factory that manufacturs train cars. In Sovietspeak it means a weapon factory that also sometimes manufactures train cars.
>>62892965>how dare you explode our ammo we're attacking with, we'll nuke you>the ammo that we also don't need and it isn't a threat to us that you're blowing up installations left and rightWhat is wrong with russia
>>62894275They were Russian trees, so they deserved it.
>>62893560>a shasneed costs as much as a Javelin missile
>>62889781>900k to create a small fireoh boy........
>>62894575oh sorry not 900k, 5,400,000..
>>62893799>UrFaggots that won't even put in the effort to spell things properly usually don't have opinions worth listening to.Honestly all you do is prove that right every single time you post on the board, because you (yes only you type like this) pretty much always post the dumbest takes on the board.>>62893943It's kinda pathetic when you consider the wages of the west are comparably higher. If we actually considered wage cost per hour worked, you'd find western weaponry is actually pretty cost efficient, which is why they're the leading arms manufacturing supplier to half of the world.RnD costs are also often included, which stop being relevant once (if) mass production starts.
>>62889856is that export prices or actual manufacturing cost that the gov pays
>>62889781>When do weapons become too expencive? These are like 900k a pop and all you get is a big crater 300 km from launch.Yes, obviously. You know you're fucked when your basic bitch rocket artillery costs 900,000k per shot and you only make 200/yr. The [current thing] has shown that industrial power is still king. Guccishit worked in a 2 month war with incompetent ragheads back in the 90s, when the West was still the only bloc with access to advanced microelectronics. It will not work against modern states with significant primary and secondary industries. We unironically need to go back to Cold War-style economics and bring back heavy industry by blocking all trade with the East.
>>62895012>It will not work against modern states with significant primary and secondary industries.If if it not cuckold war all those factories making ammo and rickets would be hit by cruise missiles.
>>62895012>modern states with significant primary and secondary industriessuch as?
>>62895032True, but a direct war between superpowers is rare and hasn't happened in 80 years. We're going to just be fighting proxy wars in foreseeable future. Shitting out expendable systems for export is more important in those scenarios. If the West had the capacity to produce 20x more shit like GMLRS rockets and 155mm shells the ukies would unironically be in Moscow by now.>>62895059Russia and China. The gap in the volume of production between us and them cannot be understated. Fucking Russia itself absolutely smokes the entire West in terms of primary metals production.
>>62895156>Russia and China.lollmfao
>>62895156Russia lacks any industry outside of raw resources, their economy mirrors developing African nations. China's volume of production is based on western demand and money.
>>62895164However, in reality, Russia is a military industrial powerhouse, that the pooled potential of nato can only match a fraction ofthis is natos stated reality btw
>>62895418How many F35s has NATO committed to the fight? How many carrier groups?
>>62895418>this is what vatnigger shills actually believeOh noooooes west fallen, surely chudly here will get laid now
>>62895508>How many F35s has NATO committed to the fight? How many carrier groups?yes, how many?and why not?israel got 2 or 3 carrier groups on rotationand as many f18 sorties as they could possibly ask for mulitple thaad batteriesbut the US seems downright scared to send anything like that even remotely NEAR Russia...why?>>62895518>every accusation, a projectiongood luck with that "getting laid" party buddy lmfao
>>62889781>When do weapons become too expencive?When you let private companies dominate your defense industry.
>>62889825*was nowadays you can put a sensor package in it with AI powered by a 3090 TI for like $10k
>>62895542>aaaaand back to da joooooos
>>62895562>just put an AI in it bro itll be fine bropeak thirdie retardation
>>62895542No Rajesh, name the number of F35s and carrier groups engaging Russian forces directly.
>>62889781>expenciveJust stop.
>>62895418Meanwhile, in reality, "powerhouse" poccia is begging a fucking North Korea and Iran for shells and troops.
>>62895586no seriously, why doesnt ukraine get even a fraction of what israel gets?>>62895602its zero... WHY?israel gets both...but ukraine none...why?
>>62895684>Russia makes millions of rounds of ammo>Russia recieves millions of rounds of ammo from allieshow is this an "own"
>>62895734Maybe, just maybe, NATO hasn't even shown up yet? Russia is threatening nukes and NATO hasnt even gotten off the couch.
>>62895744Russia lacks the industry to support itself in a war, thats the issue.
>>62895734>bit why da JOOOOOOS da JOoooOOOOoooos!Two seperate things, treated to seperate ways. Jews bought f35s back when, allignment with ukraine is much younger than the alliance with israel. But it doesnt matter to your schizo mind, youre already on the da jooooos train.
>>62895746>Maybe, just maybe, NATO hasn't even shown up yet?HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAyah, no>>62895760>lacks the industry to support itself in a war, thats the issue.but enough about literally every single euro/nato nation>>62895771lmfao why do you spell like a filthy shill?youre on 4chansay the fucking word are you scared?not allowed?lol neither ukraine or israel is in natoboth countries are analogous in their ally statusbut one gets carrier strike groups, and the other gets waffling about 'garage sale junk'explain why, and explain it like im 12 yo
>>62895799Where are the NATO brigades engaged in Ukraine? Wheres the F35s flying over Ukraine? NATO isn't there anon.
>>62895799>mind literally cannot grasp 2 different relations with 2 different nationsIts funny watching someone be so proud of being so fucking stupid
>>62895805yes where are the f35s? why doesnt ukraine get them?
>>62896221they're not nato, that's why.
>>62895771Um Jews DO waste money and aren't quite honest at every opportunity. Are you a not so honest one trying to waste others time/money defending(opinions) of those that don't need defending? (their budgets are fine, unless you are already being paid, which would make you less honest and more stereotypical)
>>62896255Not NATO and not close allies of the US
>>62895805>tfw you will never lock your longbow radar onto 256 russian vehicles simultaneously, pick 16 of them, and radio Winchester after watching hellfires destroy them all because Russia won't have 16 hellfire-worthy targets by the time there are Apaches in KurskIt hurts bros
>>62889835The non-meme answer is this: SCUDs were soviet not Russian.
>>62896265>Um Jews DO waste money and aren't quite honest at every opportunity.I dont recall claiming this or otherwise, helmettard. I said the nature of the relationship is different, largely attesting it to length of time. But you did prove me correct that you cant fathom 2 different international relationships being different
>>62892793have you heard of inflation?you take 1000 usd loan, and buy 10 pieces of equipment with it - few years pass and you pay 1010 usd back as total cost - but at that time you can buy only 9 items of equipment with it.welcome to wonderful world of FIAT currencies where you can get rise of 1000% each month and still be able to buy less than in the past due to inflation....
>>62896255neither is israel>>62896394another failed noooooooticingkinda weird ukraine gets all the support it does, but it all stops short of what israel gets, and its not even being invaded by a nuclear superpowerhard to square that circle
>>62896435Yes we understand the special relationship Israel benefits from, it doesn't mean NATO is fighting Russia in Ukraine.
>>62896435Sure, please continue the schizo melty, da joooos are in your walls
>>62896457>a country invaded by a nuclear super power gets everything BUT f35s and carrier strike groups (the thing it needs)>the country on its 7th offensive invasion since 10/23 gets f35s and carrier strike groups, when it already has bothlol lmfao evenwhat sector of clown-world is this news from?
>>62896464>da joooosthe absolute state of your vocabulary
>>62896465>>62896472>seething this transparentlyIs it russia cucking out or stalker 2 coming out? Which has you melting down today?
>>62896465Are you being retarded on purpose? Ukraine is a literal who ex-soviet country, Israel has been allies with the US since its creation.
>>62896416have you heard of deflation?that's where the economy grows more than the amount of the physical commodity you're using as a token of value, making every token more valuable, while everyone that has to spend most or all that they have on food and basic survival doesn't benefit from that unearned increase in value and gets poorer and poorer compared to those who have enough to hoard and see their hoard grow and grow on the backs of value creators.just goldbug things...
>>62896477ok great, but why isnt the victim country invaded by a nuclear super power receiving the f35s and carriers? (who doesnt have these things at all)why is the offensive country waging a 7 front war getting them instead? (who already has these things anyway)why is it so hard for you to answer this question?
>>62896491> why isnt the victim country invaded by a nuclear super power receiving the f35s and carriers?Because they aren’t members of NATO nor close allies of the US
>>62896491still whatabouting, reddit-spacing anon?different strokes, different folks. Might as well ask why there's been a copy of NTC in the Negev for decades, since when the Soviet Union was still stronk.
>>62889781When they stop working so dammed well.You may not like it, but the US MIC is actually providing a way better return on investment than most gov spending by a large margin.
>>62896507neither is israel, yet israel gets MORE than any nato ally could literally ever dream>>62896510>different strokes, different folkslmfao so sacrificing an entire nation to Russia is a simply a 'policy' thing? dont ya think the US coulda maybe spared just ONE carrier for the ukraine?just one f35 weasel sortie?not even one?explain it to me like im 12, why there are >"different strokes for different folks"when neither folk is natoand neither has any documented, iron clad defense pacts between them outside of 'promises' and lip service
>>62896525>You may not like it, but the US MIC is actually providing a way better return on investment than most gov spending by a large margin.https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/lockheed-martin-just-lost-multibillion-110600780.html
>>62896488well? and how deflation that is short term anomaly in reality contradicts thesis that inflation decreases value of fiiat money over time?if you pocketed 10 dollar bill in 1980 it would be worth around 40 todays dollars... but you still have the same dollar bill thats is worth much less in real world value than 44 years ago...in that time additional 30 dollars have been printed and spent by issuer devaluing bill you have in your pocket...
>>62896529> neither is israelYes?Israel absolutely is a close ally of the US?Are you brain damaged?
>>62896529>yet da jooooosYou should probably just go back to pol lmao
>>62896555and what legal framework binds that agreement?>>62896557>hes still using that repulsive vocabulary and spellinglmfao, is there some kind of reason you cant say "the word"?
>>62896529Israel is a strategic military ally of the USA and has been for decades dumbfuck, Ukraine is a new friend we just met. Of course you're seething about Israel as thats how we got Stingers killing ziggers.
>>62896568>Israel is designated as a major non-NATO ally by the U.S. government.Because the US says so
>>62896553it's working as designed to make storing money under the mattress less appealing than investing it and making the economy grow - if the economy grows without your participation, you get poorer.with commodity money, when the economy grows without your participation, you get richer.Sorry, one is far more fair than the other.
>>62896568Im sure its da jooooos and da airmen holding me back, just keep not taking your meds and itll all go away
>>62896597forgot>you get richerby the amount of money you already have - if you don't have any, you don't get any benefit.
>>62896574>ukraine is a new friend we just met.$hundreds of billions of dollars, and a 52+ nation coalition sending military gear, but SORRY no f35's no, no carrier strike group for you!"SORRY israel needs 2 of those , you wouldnt understand">>62896598>Im sure its da jooooosyou brought that up you dirtballlmfao your pathetic vocabulary goes before you thoughlmfao imagine spelling jew like thatwhy?whats the reason?can you explain?is that some kind of "own" on them?
>>62895562lol, no.
>>62896635Youve had it explained to you, but again, im sure its a conspiracy only you can see. The jews are in your walls and preventing you from not being a pants shitting retard
>>62896597this started as comment to>The US repays all debt.while technically true as "amount" is returned, "value" is much more complicated matter - as it prints dollars at alarming rate what you get back might have less value despite all the ones and zeroes are there...that's why things like gold while depreciating long term in value their price in fiat currencies increases
>>62896534Yeah I'm not talking about stock price, I'm talking about the actual level of capability we're getting for the tax money you pay. Lockmart losing a contract is things working correctly.
>>62896657i never said a single fucking word about "jews" you dirtbagI asked you why a NON-nato nation like israel, who has no legally binding defense pacts with the US, who is a waging an offensive war on 7 fronts they chose, would receive the f35s and carrier strike groups, when a nation being invaded by a nuclear super-power, who is backed by a 52 nation coalition pledging support for 'as long as it takes' DOES NOT recieve f35's and air-craft carrierswouldnt that speed up the whole>"for as long as it takes" part?explain to me why this is reality>>62896713>I'm talking about the actual level of capability we're getting for the tax money you pay.lmfao zero%0%FUCKING ZERO PERCENT, is what youre getting for the tax money, specifically
>>62896568> what legal framework binds that agreement?None?Why do you think the US has to be legally bound to support Israel?
>>62896738> would receive the f35s and carrier strike groups, Because the US considers them a major ally?And because the US wants to sell the F-35 to them?
>>62896738>who is backed by a 52 nation coalition pledging support for 'as long as it takes' DOES NOT recieve f35'sone might wonder...maybe most of those nations are not interested in Ukraine winning, just hurting Russia as much as possible while printing some money to increase their own MICs capabilities...
>>62896738The US considers Israel a major non NATO ally. Thats why, we told you multiple times over.
>>62896752>Why do you think the US has to be legally bound to support israel?it doesnt, and i never said it didthe US has neither binding security agreements or any legal framework with either israel or ukraine so what is the reason behind the disparate and outrageously damaging difference in support that israel recieves that ukraine doesnt?nothing is preventing the US from supporting ukraine in an identical matter as israel, yet it chooses not to, despite the far more precarious state of ukraines situation (invaded by nuclear super power) vs israel (optionally invading all of its geopolitical neighbors)>>62896763israel already has f35's has already ordered more and the US and the totality of europe have pledged support for>"AS LONG AS IT TAKES"some have even signed legal agreements to the effect^so how long does "IT" take?what is "IT" anyway?and why, (given there are no legal documents preventing it) has ukraine recieved a carrier strike group to assist in suppressing Russian air attacks?fabbing has been devastating, and even a token few f35 sorties could have deleted the capability....right?
>>62896738>boyko nikolov>bulgarianmilitary
>>62896799> what is the reason behind the disparate and outrageously damaging difference in support that israel recieves that ukraine doesnt?Because Israel is a major close ally to the US and Ukraine isn’t.
>>62896799How long does it take for you to stop seething about stalker 2 helmettard?
>>62896789>just hurting Russia as much as possible while printing some money to increase their own MICs capabilities...ok but literally none of those things happened, and in both cases, it was the oppositeRussia is now a larger, FAR more advanced adversary than it ever was, with a booming economy recognized by every financial crediting system in the worldmeanwhile, western MIC's are floundering, with the majority of them in the red, or even down Year-over-Yearwhat you say is anathema to actual reality>>62896790and the US and europe have pledged support to ukraine for 'as long as it takes', and pooled together, the world has given ukraine more money and equipment than any nation or 'defense project' in the history of mankind, and faster than any other aid-agreement post ww2its paradox after paradox
>>62896819Israel is a major non nato ally, Ukraine isn't. Are you stupid?
>>62896819>Russia is now a larger, FAR more advanced adversary than it ever was, with a booming economy recognized by every financial crediting system in the worldHOLY COPE NIGGER THEY GOT CUT OFF FROM THE FUCKING YUAN
>>62896822judging by the amount of money, equipment, attention, media and time spent on ukraine, i dont but that one single bitit..its almost as if nato is scared to send f35s and carriers anywhere even remotely near Russia>>62896823ohhh geee nooooooo ouchiechanges nothing about Russias
>>62896865Yeah i imagine coming back from 0 is gonna be a golden investment opportunity lmao
Ahh, I see.I thought it was some /pol/nigger bitching about muh jooozBut it’s actually a zigger. Carry on then.
>>62896865pic related, spotted above my housei live 10 miles from the russian bordernow, su-57 anywhere near NATO airspace when?
>>62896865NATO had hundreds of F35s in nations bordering Russia
>>62896738Idk anon I feel pretty good about the absurdly capable portfolio of PGMs, the multiple nuclear powered CSGs, the most competent air force in the world, and the most capable nuclear deterrent force in the world. I pay more in income tax each year than you probably make, and there's definitely a lot of waste in government but on the mil side there is at least something to show for it.
>>62896922Also, unless the US decides to send carriers up north, it can’t actually send carriers anywhere close to Russia because carriers aren’t allowed in the Black Sea
>>62896942But why when theres finland, poland, sweden, alaska, turkey, greece and japan?
>>62889805>as long as you fix CEP)kinda sounds like they can't do the same job.
>>62896949Exactly.Which is why “But da joooooz get aircraft carriers!1! What about the hohols?” Is stupid
>>62896922>NATO had hundreds of F35s in nations bordering Russialmfao, and not a single one of them is doing jack shit....why?>>62896936>at least something to show for it.lmfao a closed suez, and a massively up-valued artic route?>>62896942imagine thinking Turkey could block the US in that manner if the US decided otherwise
>>62896819You cannot actually believe any of this. I wonder what repeating obvious falsehoods over and over again does to someone's mind over time.I guess all I need to do is look at the average Russian for an answer to that.Which stage are you at?>The Russian strategy which istalk shit>Constantly, just keep talking shit>Talk shit, make they're busy trying to counterpoint your obvious bs>Talk more shit in the meantime>Good they're now distracted by the onslaught of bs>Talk more shit>They start to question what's real now because nothing you've said for the past millenia has been not-shitThe talk shit stage or the talk more shit stage?
>>62896962>da jooooozabsotutely pathetic coward vocabularyso where are the f35 strikes?why isnt the US airforce escorting the ukroid airforce on missions?israel gets all this and moreand they already have f35s etc. of their own
>>62896965>closed suez>still averaging 33 transits per dayOh no, my chinkslopKeep making my shoes child laborer
>>62896965>and not a single one of them is doing jack shit....why? you can sheer a sheep many times but you can only butcher it once.
>>62896965> imagine thinking Turkey could block the US in that manner if the US decided otherwiseSure. The USN could certainly force the Dardanelles if they wanted to. But why would they?
>>62896966what an absolutely say-nothing, meaningless pathetic post
>>62896973because the Jews run America, we both know thiswhy bother asking such supid questions? post-sharthuffing sesh brain fog?
>>62896973Probably because of da jooooooooos helmettard da jooooooos keeping your meds up stairs where you cant get them
>>62896965Because NATO is not at war with Russia.
>>62896973Because Israel is a major non-NATO US ally. Ukraine isn’t.Can you read? Do your eyes work?
>>62896990>nooook you can't just call out my obvious retardation>you just can't ok?Look, Russia peaked in the 60s and promptly collapsed into being big north Korea by 1990. They never recovered. They never will with people like you on their side. It's sad more than anything desu.
>>62896990>is called out>nuhuh not realPeak helmettard
>>62896709>goldbug is shown the absolute dystopia his paradise actually is and bails outeverytime>The US repays all debt.a country that has the global reserve currency doesn't have to care about debt. The issue isn't debt, it's taking on debt to pay for tax cuts instead of using it for investment.
>>62896996is nato at war with Iran, Lebanon, syria, iraq or any of the 7 nations israel is on offensive in?
>>62897442Seethe more habibi, maybe jewish gaza wont be my next vacation destination
>>62897457I just hope they can fit Cyprus into their busy schedule one of these days
>>62897465Jewish cyprus might be a fun time too
>>62893560I like to imagine that the russians pay for them at a place that looks like the world's shadiest used car lot>hello my good friend we offer you special price on new Shaheed LE model only $1 billions in gold bullion>and new release Shaheed Sport feature inventive anti air missile features>or my good sir for premium customer we offer Shaheed Touring with optional manned pilot cabin and heated leather seat, we make special deal of only 34% APR
>>62897613instead Russia cheapifies the shahed even more, and the air-lawn mower spam continues unabated
>>62889781If this kind of shit is what the glavnet is down to, they're fucking breaking right now.
>>62894275My fellow Ecofascist neger.
>>62897667>instead (vatnigger cope)
>>62895586Post nose.
>>62895771>bought
>>62896464My TV is mounted to my wall, so in a way, Yes.
>>62897667Other superpowers brag about their military budget, you brag about all the corners you manage to cut
>>62893732There’s no smuggling involved, just buying normally from suppliers in countries which don’t participate in the sanctions. There IS smuggling operations for unique / highly specialized parts but for bulk commodities and common parts, ie stuff you can buy from Mouser / DigiKey like those gyros is all normal above-board exports. I’m sure those suppliers charge a markup compared to Mouser but it’s probably not crazy because Russia can always go to a different supplier.
Have any of you dimwits consider that a part of supporting Israel is to make they don’t fall into the orbit of a major competitor like China?
>>62890031By all metrics people would typically use, yes. The West is experiencing an increasingly exponential decline. You might be insulated from this if you're say a government/DoD employee with a housing stipend, but for everyone else their disposable income is mostly gone and any aspirations beyond surviving paycheck to paycheck are long dead. You can try to handwave and dismiss the reality of every working person's life away by dusting off some Cold War era propaganda but it's long lost its effect on all but the most braindead of the population.
>>62898552Try getting a real job, then you won't have to spend as much time seething about your income, ranjeet
>>62894083>Why would you put an ammo dump in the bottom of a crater?On a long enough timeline, most ammo dumps are craters. It's the life cycle of ammo, it's dug from craters, formed into a temporary state, stored in a concrete lined crater and then taken out and transported to a landscape of craters and then fired off to give birth to a new crater of its own. It's beautiful really.
>>62898552>You can try to handwave and dismiss the reality of every working person's life away by dusting off some Cold War era propaganda but it's long lost its effect on all but the most braindead of the population.the absolute bottom barrel braindead retards at that^
>>62895562>a sensor package in it>with AI powered by a 3090 TI for like $10kYou'd have to be a pretty ancient hacker to know this story but one of the very first forms of malware actually caused physical destruction of servers.It used low-level control code to manually rotate a hard drive 180° and then stop, and then it reversed direction and did the same thing. It did this a few dozen times a second until the vibrations tore the hard drive or the motherboard or the case apart.This is nothing compared to the g-force and level of vibrations that would be experienced by the electronics inside an ATACMS.
>>62898570>(You)
>>62898868Oh hey, get back from your weekly meltdown already?
>>62893573If it works, it works. Last I checked, the heating and cooling for the Grand Rapids, MI school district is still controlled by one Commodore 64. It wasn't replaced for decades because it didn't need to be.
>>62898871>impotent nooooticetard sqealing at shadows againkek youre absolutely abysmal at correctly 'noooticing' anymoref35 tier mission capabilitylmfao ur like 12% or worse,
>>62899028Yeah, thats not what a schizophrenic meltdown sounds like, sure showed me
>>62899045They're ESL browns what do you expect desu
>>62899052>They're ESL browns what do you expect desuare they here with us now?
>>62899269Yep
>>62899293holeeeeeeeeee fuck its reallol is that dutch?
>>62899303Pretty sure its just anglisized hindi script
>>62898119I'd rather they were ruining China instead of us
>>62899313>Pretty sure its just anglisized hindi scriptlol it looks like dutch or nord or something lol i can hear his accent already^>'mr dutchman, would you like another beer" >"ill take anne-udder one maam"its that "dder" sound they do, at least thats how I identify vague 'dutch/nord-speak' if you willbut im from Indiana any you get NONE of the euro-linguistics out here, outside of rare-cases in the 'big cities'
>>62899320The chinese are pretty good at doing that themselves
>>62899335Nope, sure as fuck isn't a germanic language.
>>62896491>super powerCome on now, let's not get too crazy. There is lionly one super power on earth: the US.
>>62899303>>62899335>Image says it's Hindi>Is this Dutch?
>>62889781These are made to hit priority targets not saturate an area. If you get the coordinates to a commander or strategic target its worth the cost.
>>62889805I have to admit it came to my mind a smoothbore does the same thing as a rifle (as long as you fix the accuracy) for a fraction of the price
>>62900358I have to admit it came to my mind a sling does the same thing as a smoothbore for a fraction of the price.
>>62895418Russia is almost entirely dependent upon Western and Asian CNC equipment for aircraft and missile production. If companies like Siemens ever get forced to turn off their server support, the RuAF loses most of its production.
>Israel is our strategic allyIs this what AIPAC-funded politician told you?
