How many of you guys actually own a gun safe? It kinda seems like an unnecessary expense unless you have kids, and even then you can just get trigger locks.
i prefer display cabinets to flex personally, but i also don't live in a bad neighborhoodmight invest in a safe when i temporarily move out to an apartment in downtown memphis
>>62890439Of course I do, I have to in accordance to the law. At the end of the day guns are very lethal things and should be kept safe from both kids, retards and thieves.
I like to display my guns, but I also have a safe for when I have to go to town
>>62890527I know this is a bait but it still isn't wrong. You keep your self-defense gun close but why in the ass would you just spread your other pieces around the house?
>>62890439They are mandatory in my country, so yes.
>>62890664>noooooooooo I interpret shall not be infriged as "be irresponsible"
>>62890439It is easier for a criminal to crack open a safe than to run around your house trying to grab every gun they find
Lot's of school shootings would never have happened if dumbass dad locked his guns up.
>>62890439my house is my gun safe
>>62890439My safe is a nice storage place with extra shelves, why not put non defense gun at there?
>>62890664If someone enters my house without permission they're getting shotI don't let anyone I don't trust around weapons in my house
>>62890717Your always at home?
>>62890439An added benefit is that you can control the humidity in a safe, minimizing rust issues.
>>62890722кoнeчнopeople don't like me and I don't like people
>>62890439The ability to control the storage climate is essential if you own any older guns with less rust-resistant finishes.
>>62890729And in a housefire your ammunition doesn't turn the firemen in swiss cheese.
>>62890737cartridges aren't that dangerous unless the explosion is contained
>>62890737Ammo isn't very dangerous in a fire. Without a chamber to contain the pressure the brass pops but the bullet doesn't go flying.Picrel discusses many experiments of placing cartridges on ballistic soap, covering them with a cardboard box, and then setting them off electrically. In no case was any damage done to the ballistic soap, and no bullets or brass fragments ever penetrated the cardboard box, though one piece of brass was stuck in the cardboard.Taufledermaus has a few vids up on YT setting off things like shotshells and even .50 BMG cartridges off outside a chamber. Even at point-blank range neither a shotshell nor the BMG was powerful enough to penetrate styrofoam.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ9jOGde4wshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SSdLQcGEio
>>62890751Maybe, but the stories are stil there of fireman getting hurt from ammo cooking off.
>>62890771forgot pic like a tard
>>62890439I just have a small lockbox for my important stuff. The rest goes under the bed for the monsters and gnomes to finger fuck.
>>62890772The only way a fireman is getting hurt from ammo in a fire is if someone left a gun loaded and the round cooked off in the chamber. Educate yourself.
>>62890786ammo cooks off, turning shit around it in shrapnel
>>62890737>turning the firemen into Swiss cheese Kek
>>62890797See >>62890771The "shrapnel" you describe is a nothingburger.
>>62890703Nobody is cracking a safe.A criminal is not retarded, they’re going to just snatch what they can and run. Maybe check a few of the most common hiding places for valuables, but for the most part they’re not going to take the time to break into a safe.
>>62890797No.
>>62890772fudd lore
>>62890904>A criminal is not retardedEither you don't live around niggers or you yourself are a coping nigger.
>>62890940Sorry, I misspoke.They’re retarded, but they’re not retarded in that specific way, I.e “I’m going to spend thirty minutes or more with power tools to break into a safe that probably just has a couple of pistols or durr rifles instead of grabbing the jewelry and electronics that are just left out”Note that this is referring to actual safes not shitty gun cabinets. Those they absolutely will pop the lock on, or carry out the whole thing if it isn’t bolted down.
>>62890708Again, trigger locks seem like a cheaper alternative that basically achieve the same thing in terms of preventing other people from using your gun. Maybe Jamal or your incel son can still leave the house with it but that’s why you 1) lock your doors when you leave the house, 2) hide your guns, and 3) don’t let your kid become a friendless virgin who plays video games and jerks all day until he snaps.
>>62890940Petty criminals (i.e. niggers and meth heads) are generally lazy. They’ll steal shit when it’s easy and convenient, otherwise they don’t usually bother.
>>62890797the only way a fireman gets hurt is if they are like literally right by the ammoas long as you dont like the walls of your house with ammunition, they are fine
>>62891037Which, to be clear, is 80% of what you would have to concern yourself with. 95% if you make sure you don’t have any crackheads or other form of addicts in your family.You are not Bill Gates. You do not have a team of professional thieves trying to break into your safe to steal your Glock.
>>62891099Even then, it’ll almost certainly be cuts and scrapes rather than serious injuries.
>>62890940The problem is that even most "safes" are not true safes and most people that own one don't even know the difference. In 90% of cases, I'd wager that one guy could break into these "safes" in no more than 5 minutes with nothing more than a crowbar. Unless you want to shell out the money for a true safe, which most people won't especially if all they're sticking in there are a few guns and jewelery, the average person might be better off stashing their shit in one of more hidden places rather than confining them into what niggers see as basically a giant loot box
>>62890510>downtown memphisbring an exorcist, a witch doctor, and a premium ccw insurance policy
>>62890439reminder to bolt your safe down and weld additional plates on top.
>>62891654It's the sides that are paper thin and cant be cut through with $20 saws.
>>62890664Because I look at cases like the Golden State killer, the Night Stalker, etc. Lots of instances where intruders can sneakily ambush you even in places like your living room, kitchen, anywhere. Not just the bedroom while you're asleep.I don't have any kids and I like knowing that there's one hidden in arms reach no matter where in the house I am.
>>62890527>>62890664Agreed. In addition, the biggest thing for me is it helps protect me in the cuck state I live in. I don't trust to get my stolen items back even though they're grandfathered in before the bans. If these bans get reversed I'll start storing mags outside the safe again, but I'll keep the guns inside to keep the melanin away. Who knows it might ruin the surface finish of my guns.>>62890783>The rest goes under the bed for the monsters and gnomes to finger fuck.Hearty kek
>>62890439I have a gun wall in a cubby. when I have kids I'm just gonna make a door/gate for the spot so they can't get into it.
>>62890439Can we repurpose this bait thread into an actual safe thread.Anyone used Snapsafe? Seems like it would be a lot easier to get it into my basement than a Browning Hunter 49T.
>>62892116You don't want it to be easy to get it wherever. Usually that means it's lighter, which means you can cut or pry it far easier, along with having less fire resistance if that's something you care about. Don't buy composite safes, they're a waste of money. Buy it from some competent safe retailer that has a delivery service so you don't need to worry about getting the safe where it needs to be. Lots also offer bolt down services which are great if you own the place.
>>62892155No shit I'm gonna bolt it down.>safe retailerOh I'll just go down to the Safe District, just past the hammock district, and compare all of the options.
>>62890664>but why in the ass would you just spread your other pieces around the house?How much time do you spend in your other rooms vs the bedroom? If you hear something weird at 2AM and you wake up, you can assume it's someone breaking in. If you hear it at 2PM on a Wednesday, do you immediately think break in? Or 6PM while cooking dinner? Your first thought is probably not an intruder. It gives you options.Personally, I think I'd die of shame if I got attacked and my plethora of guns were in my bedroom and a safe and I couldn't defend myself.
>>62890708Name 7
>>62890797>ammo cooks offYes>turning shit around it in shrapnelNo. There is lots of testing to prove this.
>>62890998What trigger lock can't be easily removed with a drill at their convenience?
>>62892211I wasn't asking if you were going to bolt it down but good to hear. Not like from the sounds of it anyone will take it out of your basement.Safe retailers do exist anon. I'm fortunate that there is a fairly large retailer based in my state that's really good that was ~1.5 hours away from me. Others might need to drive farther or just call into the nearest place and talk to someone. You can at least look at online retailers to compare options and see generally what you want.Tbh, it doesn't really matter that much apart from how thick you want the steel. There's US made (expensive) and Mexico made (less expensive), different interiors, stuff like that but honestly that's just modifying the price you're spending on the steel. You can always customize the interior so I would mostly pay attention to the steel and where you want it built. Some people are really paranoid about electronic locks after the feds got into that liberty safe but personally I'd say go with whatever mechanism you like best. Electronic is way more convenient.
>>62892262>anon explains how to shop for a safeCool but not what I asked. I asked about a particular brand, and even mentioned the other one I was considering in the post.
>>62890998>trigger locksisn't this just a piece of plastic?
>>62890940Criminals are not retarded, otherwise they wouldn't be able to survive as criminals.
Best way to avoid getting robbed is to quit being a retard, unfortunately nu/k/ is full of the most retarded faggots imaginable. Not like they need a safe, everyone is a noguns
>>62892357Yep sorry if you knew that stuff already anon. Just looked like a composite from the picture anon and that's not what you want regardless of brand. I don't think the brands matter a ton apart from if you want to avoid a Liberty or Liberty adjacent, or if you care where it was built.
>>62890439>unnecessary expense unless you have kids, and even then you can just get trigger locksMother fucker, am I just supposed to stack my 30+ guns against the corner in the closet?
>Get a Cannon>The default code is literally 123456>The first lock shits the bed and keeps killing batteries>Get a free replacement at least>Open the panel on the inside of the door to find thisI sent a picture of this, and a complaint about the lock dying to Cannon and they mailed me a big box of swag. So not great, but not terrible
>>62890904>Nobody is cracking a safeGun safes aren't real safes. They're pathetically easy to break in to.
>>62893617Yeah I hope he means no one is spending the time or making the noise to get into a gunsafe. Yeah you can get into one with a claw hammer in 20 minutes but you're going to alert somebodyAfter looking at the way that POS Cannon safe is set up on the inside, I have a sneaking suspicion that a sharp blow to the handle would open it but I don't want to destroy it.
>>62893632Best way to hide something is to just hide it. Last time I decorated I took a door out and now you can only get into the study/reloading/purge room through a door behind the wife's sliding shoe rack. Good luck stealing my shit from fucking Narnia, niggers.
>>62890439I have a small "safe" that is overflowing. I was considering getting a larger one, but then I really started doing a deep dive on "gun safes" and learned that most under a few grand are dogshit that won't protect your guns from a burglar or fire, so now I don't really care to. I'm hoping that some day I can build a nice house and use a walk-in closet as a gun room.
I got one. I have kids. Kids do stupid things.. at least this way I don’t have to worry about the washed out cop at the school shooting my kid if he decided to take an unloaded gun with a trigger lock to school because he found it in the top of a closet and thought it looked cool. If you feel extra paranoid and want to really feel secure you can buy a WiFi connected door sensor for like 30$… put it inside your safe and just don’t tell anyone… then your phone pings if anyone opens your safe.
Gun safes are dogshit. See: https://gunsafereviewsguy.com/>>62893632If the safe isn't bolted down in the corner of the room or in a closet, thats more like 2 minutes: https://youtu.be/-RlwGkO0hxE
>>62893672It's the way to go. Dedicate a windowless room, put a good sturdy door on it, then hang a fucking bookcase or something in front and put all your expensive gear in there. I honestly wish I'd gone bigger, but basements aren't a thing around here.
>>62893664I always thought about making some kind of removable dry wall at the back of a closet with removable shelves to help hide it. I'm a rentfag though so I never tried it
>>62890708lots of shootings would have never happened if federal agents didnt brainwash kids
>>62893789You could shelve out the back full width and hang some of this crap as cover with velcro or something stuck along the front of the shelf.https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hardboard-Tempered-Panel-Common-3-16-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Actual-0-175-in-x-48-in-x-96-in-832780/202404545The white finished stuff, of course. Can't be bothered fighting homo negro's website to find it.Wouldn't stand up to close scrutiny but a few coats hung in the way should make eyes glaze over. You'd be making 4 holes per shelf in the side wall of the cupboard, easy fill & hide job.
>>62890439I have multiple firearms worth over 10k. Insurance requirements says I have to have it in a safe delivered to my house (with receipts) and then they cover those beyond the 5k cap per gun registered with them. Can they turn over my paperwork to the ATF? Yep. But a house fire would destroy the guns. Even just the heat from the fire will warp the receivers.Plus it was only 100 bucks a year more to cover them both. And because there's now additional rider on my home owner insurance, I can add my nods and thermals to it for no additional costs.
>>62892670Hush now, take that bait out of your mouth
I just structurally enforced one of my closets with steel frame plating and a steel door and a thumbprint lock. Holds more than everything I need
>>62890439it's required by law in many europoor countries
>>62894073It's the same deal as NFA items, you are responsible for keeping them out of unauthorised hands to the best of your ability.
>>62890998>>62890439I'm not poor, and my guns are worth a lot. Not only are they insured, but my safe is bolted to the floor and I also have a security system.Again stop being poor
>>62892019>grandfathered before the bansI'm so glad I left Washington every single day, but I never belonged there in the first place. Best of luck anon.
>>62894147I leave my suppressor guns out
>>62895291same. it just stands against the wall next to my bed.
>>62890439>How many of you guys actually own a gun safe? I do. From a certain number of guns, you're legally required to have one here in Belgium:For 5 or less guns, you need to use a trigger lock, or to remove a working part of the gun, or to chain it to something immovable. From 6 to 10, you need to lock them in a solid closet which cannot be easily pried open and that can show no signs of containing weapons.From 11 to 30, you need to have a weapon safe.For more than 30 guns, you are required to have a safe room (Class G weapons storage, meaning rebar reinforced walls/floor/ceiling, no external windows that are not barred, alarm, etc IIRC). I have no illusions that my "safe" would stop any thief though. I can't imagine it's hard to lockpick, and I suspect a long prybar & sledgehammer will do the job too. This kind of sheet metal safe is just a deterrence to someone who came unprepared or was time constrained. >It kinda seems like an unnecessary expense unless you have kids, and even then you can just get trigger locks.99.999% of trigger locks are garbage and can easily be defeated by a motivated kid.
>>62897299>This kind of sheet metal safe is just a deterrence to someone who came unprepared or was time constrained.which is everyonethat's exactly the point, someone can't just walk in and pick up the guns.
>>62890439Depends on what you have and where you live. I got a gun cabinet after my son was born but I plan on getting a better one eventually
>>62890439I have kids so I'm required to own one pretty much
>>62890439My dad does and its a really expensive fireproof one, it stores all the firearms my grandfather left to my dad sure, but its mostly for liquid funds (cadh/precious metals/valuable jewelry/family heirlooms) and paperwork (deed to the house/car titles/social security cards/tax paperwork) having a safe, especially a hermeticly sealed fireproof one, is actually a big peace of mind thing. I have a small safe for the 1911 my grandfather left me and my own paperwork/valuables, but i keep my rifles locked to a display stand by my desk
>>62893386lol my gun safe is a subsidiary of cannon and their pot metal key snapped off in the lock. Luckily it was open so I was able to get another lock mailed to me and I installed it
>>62893687That’s a good idea anon.
>>62892155>safe safetyThings to consider (these are all based off studies):>criminals go for soft targets>criminals don't like resistance>criminals don't like raising suspicion>criminals often spend 5 to 10 min in a houseThese obviously don't apply to ALL cases, but it's the knowledge we have. Be weary about who you divulge information to as well; lots of victims know their perpetrators.There's a video trying to prove a point how consumer safes are vulnerable. In the video two guys go up to an empty safe in the middle of a warehouse, knock it over, take two 4ft pry-bars and start prying at the right points and in less than two minutes they're in.Scary, if you assume a few things:>your safe is light enough to be easily tipped over by two guys>your safe is in the middle of the room>your safe is not lag bolted into a solid part in the floor and/or wall>the criminals know where to pry>the criminals have big-ass pry bars>the criminals have the room and leverage to even be able to pry at allAll of this is to say:>lag bolt your safe>put it where leverage is difficult (e.g. if it's a left open safe have it in the left corner if you can)>don't be too concerned about a guy with cut-off saw taking his sweet timeBasically make it too difficult to break into your safe.But above all else, don't let your house be a target. Secure your home: reinforced doors, windows, cameras, lights, motion activated lights, sensors (opening, glass break), a threatening dog, etc. all make your house look like it's not worth it. Won't matter if your guns are secured or not if they never even get inside.
>>62890439I have one because I've had it since ever and am paranoid enough as is>I travel a lotHave kids now too, so don't want them getting their hands on it.But they're young, I still keep a couple guns outside the safe but well hidden and out of reach so I can fiddle with it while I work and/or use it as a nightstand gun.
>>62895291>>62897085Yeah but you live and sleep alone.
>>62892670>he doesn't have a gun pileNGMI. Let me guess, you don't keep your ammo in a scrooge mcduck vault pile either?
>>62890439I do, requirement of my country.At least i dont have to think if something dumb shoot into head of my kid because i've left my rifle somewhere at the home when im out
