>"Cut off from the rear, they abandon all their heavy weapons.>Their infantrymen are weak, afraid to die, and have no courage to attack or defend.>They depend always on their planes, tanks, artillery.>They specialize in day fighting.>They are not familiar with night fighting or hand to hand combat.>If defeated, they have no orderly formation.>Without the use of their mortars, they become completely lost.>They become dazed and completely demoralized.>They are afraid when the rear is cut off.>When transportation comes to a standstill, the infantry loses the will to fight."Is this assesment correct about the state of the US military back then or even today?: https://youtu.be/Hz7kRZF0G3s?t=208
>>62891344>Is this assesment correct about the state of the US military back then or even today?No.
>>62891344>Is this assesment correct about the state of the US military back then or even today?Yes.
>>62891344Kinda seems like chink cope from a hapa
>>62891379>Yes.Literally debunked within weeks of being written.
>>62891344>is this literal propaganda piece truei don't know chang, is taiwan china?
>>62891393>Kinda seems like chink cope from a hapaDual cope. The hapa today copes. But also, it was written as a massive cope back then>guys dont worry that they outclass us in almost every single arena! We can beat them if you just BELEIVE enough!
>>62891394>>62891393>>62891396The US literally launched the "Home-by-Christmas Offensive" after the defeat at Unsan, got BTFO'd and pushed back to the 38th.
>>62891344I can't wait until the chinks chimp out and all the chinkensoid shills are sent as meat waves blown apart in 4K
>>62891414>this tired old cope They got ambushed by forces they did not know were in the AO. They fought their way out and in doing so destroyed half a dozen Chinese divisions and inflicted severe casualties on half a dozen more. Leaving the Chinese so exhausted and shot-out that they were unable to pursue UN forces. The entire Chinese thesis got blown out the water. Pun intended.
2 more weaks
>>62891414and china lost more area than they took, a million men, hopes of taking taiwan, and maos spawn
>>62891414even today the chinese literally praise the americans for what they did in the very shit you're mentioningthe OP is a shit propaganda piece, plain & simple, and not even one the chinks want to accept
Imagine losing a war right next to your borders against an army that has to be supplied from the other side of the World.
>>62891429>>62891439>>62891444COPE: https://youtu.be/yCUPZ49VwPM?t=78
>>62891429>They got ambushed by forces they did not know were in the AO.Only because McArthur was a cocky fuck head who ignored intelligence reports as overblown, then when proven wrong decided that the best course of action was nuking China. Failure on the top level through and through.
>>62891451>Cope>posts something I watched last week What did he mean by this? >>62891454You're operating with the benefit of hindsight. Reality is they didn't know how many Chinese were in N.K and they had no idea what the fuck their purpose was. That being said, advancing in the dead of winter was remarkably smooth brained.
>>62891451>no U are copinglol, lmao even. ok chang
>>62891344Anything the CCP says should be reversed and considered true.
>They specialize in day fighting.>They are not familiar with night fighting or hand to hand combat.damn, chinese had night vision back then?
>>62891344>They depend always on their planes, tanks, artillery.Asiaman cannot into combined arms.
>>62891492Well, they didnt really have small unit tactics other than "Zerg in direction X" so you dont need to be able to see or communicate to swarm a position.
>>62891344A good demonstration of how dangerous it is to drink your own Kool Aid. The guy who wrote this wrote what he felt his commanders wanted to hear, that despite being outclassed in every other metric the Chinese morale would win the war for them. This collective delusion killed millions and has not stopped killing even today.
>>62891502they used a tactic similar to Russians today, they send a meatwave to mask attacks by more well trained units
>>62891492They launched attacks at night similar to the japs from WW2 and the vietcong in Vietnam
>>62891518shoot flares at night? americans do that too.
>>62891504They literally proceeded to kick the US out of North Korea back to the 38th parellel after this, while MacArthur launched his "Home-by-Christmas Offensive". So who was drinking their own Kool Aid?
>>62891531>They literally proceeded to kick the US out of North Korea back to the 38th parellel after thisYes, but at what cost?
>>62891531>Home-by-Christmas OffensiveThat's what it looked like before the Chinese got involved.
>>62891547I bet you also cared about the Soviet losses after defeating the germans back in WW2
>>62891439>maos spawnImagine the damage that could of been done to china if this fucker got hereditary rule instead of crispy napalm BBQ.
>>62891531how many chinese where killed in the defense
>>62891547>>62891559Doesn't matter. Communists don't care about causalities.
>>62891552The chinese were already involved retard, they wiped out an entire South Korean corps and defeated the US 1st Cavalry division at the Battle of Unsan. Yet MacArthur still ordered his men to push forward, thinking that this was just a small chinese recon force.
>>62891563>doesnt matter our strategic ambitions were fucked for 30 years afterror, rmao
>>62891559>Muh casualtiesThat's how the germans won WW2, and the US won Vietnam and Afghanistan
>>62891569North Korea still exists.
>>62891571you're not answering the question
>>62891571America barely took any causalities in those wars. Like a few hundred deaths per year, some years less than a hundred.
>>62891575if north korea is your "gotcha", thats pretty fucking bad
>>62891502>>62891492>>62891530>"By about 3 in the morning, they know their lines of retreat are blocked, so they plan a cross country retreat to join up with where they think the rest of the regiment will be.>This is when a unit of lost ROK troops emerges from the night to their south and joins up with them.>As the ROK troops arrive at the battalion command post, a bugle is blown and seconds later US troops are being mowed down left and right.>These are not ROK men, but a unit of Chinese commandos.>They quickly disable or destroy the battalion's tanks with satchel charges and set the rest of the vehicles ablaze. Before the Americans even know what's happening, a wider assault starts on the battalion from all directions. With Chinese troops charging their positions in front of them and commandos wreaking havoc behind them, the scene descends into bloody close quarters fighting, which last for several days. Less than 200 men of 3rd battalion make it out, and more than 1,000 men of the regiment are missing in action.>The first big battle between US and Chinese forces is over, and the Americans have been soundly beaten. -Battle of Unsan
>>62891451Maybe you should actually watch it.>>62891575And is a poor shithole full of malnourished retards that costs china more than it gains from it.
>>62891575After losing land, vietnam still exists after chinese invasion (to prop up pol pot of all people), and taiwan is doing fantastic. Kinda seems like china's shit at its own imperial ambitions
>>62891580That's easy when you use foreign cannon fodder, the South Vietnamese and the ANA to take the blunt of the casualties for you.
>>62891583America and South Korea has spent billions for decades to defend against them. It's a huge waste of resources.
>>62891596>foreign>vietnamese >in vietnami think thats kinda their job
>>62891605and china spends more than the US & SK combined just to hold up NKagain, not the "gotcha" you think it is
>>62891589>costs china more than it gains from itIt's a small investment from China to waste American and South Korean resources.
>>62891617>burn more of less resouces to get your opponents to burn less of more resourcesImplessive
>>62891617its literally more than america's or south koreas, you're a fucking dumbass lmaokeep coping, this is getting funny
>>62891596The post I was responding to was about American casualties.
>>62891612>and china spends more than the US & SK combined just to hold up NKProve it.
>>62891634no
>>62891624Prove it.
>>62891641china is literally being given food aid by califonia because you dumbasses can't even grow your own food anymore, since you keep watering your crops with gutter oilto say NK costs china more doesn't need any more proof than the fact that china's smog is worse than sucking on a tailpipe
>>62891641>>62891634>seething so hard he posted it from both browsers
>>62891660China literally donates half of America's food, that's why they're so fat.
>>62891696>this is what chinks actually believe
>>62891696you guys don't consider the poor to be citizens, so no shit you don't have a food struggle when you don't report itfucking retard, try making some better propaganda next time, your handlers are doing a shit jobnext handler you see, elbow them in the dick when they pass by
>>62891617>Lose the heir to the Mao dynasty>Literally have their plans for invading a vulnerable Taiwan smothered in the cradle from the sheer number of losses they'd had inflicted>small investment
>>62891715Cope Ameristarve.*throws you a piece of bread*
>>62891758gutter oil
>>62891758Why would i cope over chink internal propaganda? Please paint amerikkka as the based superbadass we both know it is, those posters are always fun
>>62891344Translation from Chinese>>Cut off from the rear, they abandon all their heavy weapons."We failed to encircle them.">>Their infantrymen are weak, afraid to die, and have no courage to attack or defend."They aren't reliant on human wave attacks">>They depend always on their planes, tanks, artillery."I wish we had some of those">>They specialize in day fighting."If they can see us, we get mauled.">>They are not familiar with night fighting or hand to hand combat."Sneak up close or get killed by their artillery. Simple as.">>If defeated, they have no orderly formation."Did I mention how we failed to encircle them?">>Without the use of their mortars, they become completely lost."Fire support is available to them at the platoon level.">>They become dazed and completely demoralized."We're winning, I swear.">>They are afraid when the rear is cut off."Remember that stuff about failure and encirclements I mentioned earlier?">>When transportation comes to a standstill, the infantry loses the will to fight."We will win because our logistics are inferior"
didnt the japanese say the same thing about the americans?
>north Koreans reach the west>cope about the korean war reach critical mass from time to time.I hope Kim gelds your balls.
>>62891414>the US literally launched the "Home-by-Christmas Offensive" after the defeat at UnsanYour chronology is... interesting.
>>62891895uh oh, chang hates it when you mention the guys who decided not to pay their bill at the nanjing whore houses, to this day they still call it a massacre, their grandmothers had to suck 30x more dick to make up for the profit that day
>>62891451I can't wait until February comes around and the wumaos never mention this channel every again.
>>62891575That's not really something you should be bragging about.
>>62891696>skins a dog alive and offers it for food>gets nuked in response>rape chink women before executing themYeah
>>62891762That's why Americans are fat.
>>62892007We don't have gutteroil in America.
>>62892020Explain your lard.
>>62892007>bantz this patheticOoof
>>62891344>If they didn't have planes tanks and artillery they'd be weakand if the mongols didn't have horses and bows, they would have been weak but we know how that turned out
>>62892023Well, you see in 1906 President Theodore Roosevelt signed the Pure Food and Drug Act, the first of several consumer safety laws passed during that era, which established health and safety standards for American agricultural and pharmaceutical products...
>>62892023Lard isn't commonly used here. It's been replaced by vegetable oils.
>>62892044The chinks pushed the US back to the 38th parallel without tanks nor heavy artillery, they were just light infantry.
>>62891344This is actually undiluted delusion lmfao.How could they even think of writing shit like "They are afraid when the rear is cut off" when not even a decade before the Americans conclusively demonstrated their will to fight even when surrounded and cut off from supplySee: Ardennes, Guadalcanal, Market garden, Samar
>>62892129Ask the US 1st Cavalry Division, which was just beat by the chinks and the reason why the chinks wrote those assessments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Unsan
>>62892148>The United States' (US) 8th Cavalry Regiment was encircled on 1–2 November and broke out with the loss of most of its heavy equipment.Your point being?
there are about 10 threads on /k/ today ranting about how evil the west is someone got cucked by a WMAF thread and saw their ex in it lol
>>62891563Yeah, and now Taiwans eternally out of their grasp.. Mainland China will never know how close to greatness they could have been.. if they cared about losses, even from a pure utilitarian sense
>>62892101>This is what Chinks ACTUALLY believe
>>62891344Dude, that Sounds like blatant propaganda. It never addresses the US military's strengths or even how to attack it's weaknesses. For example.>Their infantrymen are weak, afraid to die, and have no courage to attack or defend.Are soldiers supposed to be suicidal? Glorifying death is what you do when you're preparing the men for severe casualties. Standard fair when you're throwing lives into the meatgrinder.>Without the use of their mortars, they become completely lost.>They become dazed and completely demoralized.Okay...how do you get rid of the mortars? They're indirect fire weapons so bare minimum they're concealed behind a hill. Does the PLA have air superiority? The second line is also redundant like if someone was padding an essay with extra lines. >They are afraid when the rear is cut off.>When transportation comes to a standstill, the infantry loses the will to fightAgain, this is normal. Having your supply lines severed means you're on a time limit before the food and ammo runs out. The bigger your army is the more logistics it needs but logistics isn't glorious so propaganda tends to ignore it.
>>62891571>That's how the germans won WW2Except this is like if the Soviets were only barely able to push Germany out of the Soviet Union proper while still taking horrendous casualties doing so, managed to end the war with slightly less territory than when it started, and Nazi Germany still existed today. In that case I'd definitely say the Germans won.
>>62891696The white kid with a basketball in what looks like the blackest neighborhood on the East Coast is kinda funny.
>>62892866If it were a black kid, no one would donate.
Best part is modern Chinese propganda actually makes the US bad ass so it looks better when they win.
>>62891344tldr: why dont the yankees use human waves, they use technology and that's a bad thing sweetie
>>62892776funny because in korea. there were multiple us soldiers that crushed tiny chinks with their bare hands.
>>62893636David Bleak killed four with his bare hands and one more using a knife.
>>62893688Thats the face of a man who killed fiddy men.
>>62892776>Standard fair when you're throwing lives into the meatgrinder.You say that like it isn't exactly how the US has been fighting since 1776
>>62891344>Is this assesment correct about the state of the US military back then or even today?yeah. but it's even worse now since it's full of cowardly brownoids and blacks.europeans are mostly cowardly in the sense they need a sense of superiority of fire to achieve victory, and when that's taken away, their moral drops big time.
>>62893750The trick is throwing the other side into the meatgrinder
>>62893688>Crushed one chinks throat just by grabbing him>Snapped another's neck>Slammed two heads together, killing both>Gutted one with a combat knifeJesus fucking christ he's corn fed midwest doom guy
>>62893913He's the kind of guy that parents scare their children with centuries after his time.
>>62893913Imagine being some Chinese peasant sent to fight in Korea for communism or something and the last thing you ever see is a 6' 6"-tall man covered in blood emerge from the shadows and run towards you with outstretched hands.
>>62893886More or less>No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country
>>62892526they'll find those nukes in iraq eventually.
>>62893688And China still achieved its objectives. Kill as many as you want, you still lose.
>>62891344It's not entirely inaccurate, just presents the information in a way that disregards US doctrine and assumes their own to be superior.There's a reason the Chinese took disproportional levels of casualties in the war, and why they were pushed back out of the south, and a good part of that reason is the exact mentality that colors this assessment.
America got its ass kicked in maneuver warfare first by the norks and then by the chinks. It was only when the front lines became so short that maneuver warfare turned into siege warfare that the americans could recover due to their massive superiority in artillery, air and mechanization.
>>62894217Source?
>>62894199South Korea still exists retard
>>62894224His small dick fantasies, all thirdies dream constantly about the US losing while living in a western dominated world
>Our Korea>One of the most advanced economies in the world>Produces world leading audio-visual equipment and it's not even close>Produces the world's leading smartphone brand by market share>Chip-making capability far eclipses that of China>Hugely successful soft power China can only dream about>Commie chink Korea>Medieval feudal state where the leader is deified and has a harem of minors (it's a great honor for him to take your daughter)>Uses human excitement to fertilize fields making them world leader in having worms, cholera, and parasites>Still had regular famines>Is so poor all clothes are mandated to be made out of stiff canvas to save on materials>Produces nothing of note despite being one of the richest areas and strongest industries in Asia under Japanese ruleThe chinks have an uncanny ability to ruin anything they touch
>>62894199Can you name any completed Chinese objectives besides preserving North Korea?
>>62895441Can you name any complete US/UN objectives besides preserving South Korea?
>>62891454>>62891466>He advocated nuking chinaI think he had some good ideas desu
>>62894199South Korea was not wiped out, UN/NATO forces did not leave the penninsula, China lost the forces it was going to use to retake Taiwan and a dynasty was ended by a careless throwing away of a leader's son.
>>62895582You was invader in this war. North or South?
By the way Imperial Japan was saying the same things>Oh we super honorable but Americans cheat with a better economy
>>62895682North Korea was the invader, failed to achieve its objectives, then brought in China which failed to achieve its objectives
>>62893750...You realize that US infantry in Korea got Body Armor, right?
>>62892829>>62891571Check out lend lease and how Desperate the soviets were to open a third front on the western allies dime>No italian front>No western front>No lend lease>No allied carpet bombingsAny of the above and more likely a few of them combined might have Unironically meant the soviets would probably have been stopped in their tracks around bagration due to starvation, lack of manpower, krauts having actual reserve lines to enact defense in depth, less equipment since they can't produce as many tanks and fuel. Would this have meant Tranny New Order in eastern europe? Unlikely but it would have meant nazis would have decimated the soviets while still gaining ground in the low intensity conflict/truce that would have to be signed>Proof?Occupied states of the soviet union bar the baltics have been gunned down so hard they still have an abundance of women in the country, generations of slavs have been slaughtered and cities burntThis is with all the aid, two more fronts and carpet bombings of kraut industry and ~90% all allied oil in the war which was produced by the USA alone, along with an astronomical amount of food sent with lend lease
>>62891344>forgets about ChosinLAMO
>>62895582Can you name any incomplete US/UN objectives?
>>62891414>38thThat didn't even fucking happen, South Korea GAINED territory.
>>62894238Don't get into this debate, you'll be baited to defending neocons. SK has massive issues largely stemming from shitlibery which neocons are but they are still superior in that they are not a retarded backwater shithole like the north despite having the shitty, non industrial, minerally poor part of the country
>>62893913>>62893688And this guy was the MEDIC meaning Bleak was killing Communists in between treating gunshot wounds and carrying another man down the hill.
>>62893688>Get rekt by the nerdy Germanic/Nordic American because he ate every day of his life to satisfaction and you eat rice gruelNutrition wins wars.
>>62895773It actually did but you need more context. The US/UN forces got pushed past the 38th but then counter attacked over the next few months until they reached what is now the modern North/South Korean border.
>>62895838Some people say the US has an obesity problem. I say we're merely victims of our own success.
>>62895682>>62895761What was the "Home-by-Christmas Offensive" and the objective of reaching the Yalu River after crossing the 38th following the Incheon landings?
>>62895683Except that the chinks actually beat the US forcing the latter into the longest retreat in US military history, unlike the japs
>>62896049Beat? They failed to push the Americans out of the peninsula and North Korea lost territory.
>>62896049>beat by failing objectives and securing an unfavorable peaceChina's century of humiliation never ended if this is their greatest military victory
>>62896049Then what happened wumao?
>>62896039Do you know what a war is?
>>62891879based
>meanwhile, a random youtube videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJx6M7SqkvILooks like both sides almost got wiped out then things finally settled near the 38th
>>62891344You remember China lost right?>North Korea gains the city of Kaesong, but loses a net total of 3,900 km2 (1,506 sq mi), including the city of Sokcho, to South KoreaSo either they were wrong about the claps or they were right and worse.
>>62891696>by percentage OOOOOOOOOOF
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>>62893688>wounded and unarmed until he took a bayonet from another soldier >killed 4 by hand and gutted the 5th>went back to treating the wounded >Chinese start spamming frags because noskill >he covers the wounded with his body >they run out of grenades >he shakes off the dust and carrys the wounded outr/AsianMasculinity absolutely BTFO.
>>62891344sounds like typical maoist military doctrine. it's always presumed that the enemy will have superior firepower, so they try to offset this with superior morale and infiltration tactics. The idea is to train soldiers to be capable of living off the land for prolonged periods of time while giving them relatively light equipment. This way, they can pierce enemy lines and subsist behind them without need for resupply, allowing them to reek havoc on communications, logistics, and morale. The fundamental problem with this is that it's an insurgency strategy being utilized in a conventional war. Sending hordes of chinks with Mosins against enemy lines doesn't work if they have entrenched positions, superior firepower, good logistics, and control over their own territory. This is why this strategy has been defeated nearly every time it was employed by China except for a few noticeable exceptions (such as the Sino-Indian War where they actually had superior firepower, and their initial involvement in the Korean War where MacArthur was being a dumb-ass). In most other situations, such as their invasion of Vietnam, and their failed offensives in the Korean War, their strategy proved futile.
>>62896950How do you explain the Battle of Chong Chon River then?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ch%27ongch%27on_River
>>62891879Its even more funny because you see this same tired shit war after war involving the US. "They hide behind their fire support like cowards!" is the cry of the brownoid as he is obliterated by superior capabilities of machines his tiny brain cannot comprehend that can be leveraged at the squad level.
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>>62897030>>62891879There's a reason why the Brits called the US troops "our italians" in North Africa and Italy
>>62891344It comes across as the same "being poor is a strength because dying in human wave charges builds character" cope that vatniks and thirdies have been saying about America for decades now.
>>62897038Because they had tasty food?
>>62894199>And China still achieved its objectivesthe force they trained to take taiwan all fucking died.
>>62897047>It comes across as the same "being poor is a strength because dying in human wave charges builds character" cope that vatniks and thirdies have been saying about America for decades now.But they managed to kick the USA out of North Korea
Claiming that the US won Korea is as stupid as staying the Chinese won it. It was a nearly perfect status quo ante bellum, both sides ended up at nearly the same place they started at. China's manpower advantage was enough to overcome America's ability to get North Korea back. It was rather naive for the Americans to expect they wouldn't be willing to lose that much as not to have a US aligned state on their border. However to claim that losing hundreds of thousands lost in human wages proves the potency of the Zhongguo split ignores why such a strategy was even possible. America had retarded post WW2 doctrine that relied on air power, with no precision capability, was fighting from across the Pacific and was in the middle of disarmament when the war began. These were ideal conditions, and attempting something similar even a couple years later would have been a terrible idea. Claiming either sidw lost on a spiritual level ignores the fact that all wars are fought with mismatched capabilities and expectations. The only true indicator of success or failure is what countries can take away from a war.However, as a geostrategic maneuver, Korea was a tremendous failure on the part of the Soviets and Chinese. The entire point of the war was to force the US out of Korea and therefore weaken their status across Asia. America still holds a potent bastion of influnce right on China's doorstep. South Korea's media, economic success and status as a functional democracy are all serious threats to the CCP'S internal legitimacy. While it is a highly beneficial location for US conventional and nuclear deterrents.Tldr;It was a draw, but the prewar status quo was beneficial to America
>>62897672Bro no one but the Chinese shills gives a fuck about the Korean War's outcome.
>>62897462>aaaaand he posted the same cope
>>62897681You're probably right, but I like effort posting about topics I find interesting. Besides the best way to beat shills is to ignore them and try to make the site better for everyone on it with good faith posting.
I know snowgeria is upset about their newest Red Line getting pissed, shitted, and cummed on before the paint even dried, but what's got the rice monkies all riled up?
>>62896978that's covered by the "Douglas MacArthur being a dumbass" exception. Chinese offensives after he was replaced by Ridgeway utilized the same tactics but they all met with defeat, and they were likewise unable to repel many later UN offensives, demonstrating their limited usefulness in conventional conflicts.
>>62891511The communists were trying to kill ROC, Jap, and Korean troops that were no longer needed.
>>62891414U.S. losses in Korea: 36,000Chinese losses in Korea: 1,500,000
>>62897672>Claiming either sidw lost on a spiritual levelwtf are you talking about pseud? The UN Resolution was to send the Norks back to the 38th which they did. Not exactly on the line but South Korea has more territory north of it than North Korea has south of it.The Nork goal was to recapture the south which they didn't. The communists couldn't even claim a k/d win like the US does with Vietnam even though that war was a loss for the US in terms of overall goals.
>>62891344>Americans are easy to defeat!>Step one, just completely cut off the force lmao!>Step two, just cut them off from any and all form of fire support, be it armoured, indirect, or from the airRight so all you need to do is have the kind of force that can achieve those first two parts to begin with, and THEN you're good to go!
>>62891344Sounds like cope.I have a rifle that was a bring back from Korea. It's an 8mm Mauser, Chinese contract FN-30. Has repair in wood from damage. Asked old dude that got it and he said all he knew was vet from Korea said it fell off some Chinese dude that just randomly died.
>>62891575Yeah what a great result for China, having a nuclear armed pariah state on their border destabilizing the region, threatening chimpouts for gibs and presenting the constant threat of a refugee flood if the state collapses.
>>62891414Gonna have me some fried egg on rice. Want some?
>>62899642Yes, it was indeed an implessive 5D chess move to throw away their most veteran troops before they could use them to take Taiwan, but at least it ensured that they had plenty of fresh indoctrinated maoist retards to throw into the meat grinder against Vietnam later.
>>62894224>Source?Korean war history books.
>>62891414And all it cost them was almost all their veteran forces, Mao's dumbass son, and being forced to scrap their Taiwanese reclamation plans to reunify China under Mao, because of that Korean meatgrinder
>>62896049>unlike the japsThe Japanese capture of the Philippines is far more humiliating and resulted in large numbers of American troops being outright captured, not just forced to retreat, including a a large amount of generals. Sorry wumao but your greatest military achievement ever still gets overshadowed by the Japs with MacArthur being retarded being the common denominator.
>>62891696Stats look nice if you don't actually take them.Food insecurity in the US is "don't get enough vitamins and minerals and sometimes skip a meal", in China its literal starvation.That being said the US doesn't really care about its poor, but most are nogs so I get it, still, China is laughable.
>>62897038They got called that because they joined the war late with a bunch of inexperienced officers.Once the war actually got going and the shit officers weeded out it was generally praise all round.
>>62891429So what you're saying is that the US military was so utterly incompetent and dogshit, they managed to somehow miss all these dozens and dozens of chinese divisions preparing for weeks to attack them, and then completely failed to hold their ground despite inflicting all these supposed casualties? But it doesn't count because the Chinese only chased them all the way down to south of Seoul, instead of outright overrunning and annihilating them?Wow, that is some cope alright.
are the chinks this butthurt about some guy running over a bunch of exercisers at a park and a guy stabbing some chinese people? what a loss of face for winnie the pooh.
>>62900046>Gonna have me some fried egg on rice. Look out, Mao Jr., it's a B-26!
>>62891429>>62900301To be fair Peng Dehuai was one of the GOATs of infantry warfare, and was hugely successful in the Chinese fight against the Japanese. He maneuvered his armies only on darkness and had everyone camp camouflaged and stay still in daylight. And he got his men to move with incredible speed on foot through mountainous, sub zero terrain. Even the warnings severely underestimated the size of the attack.
>>62900310They couldn't figure out why even the shittiest city in Europe had better protection than them.
>>62900301>they managed to somehow miss all these dozens and dozens of chinese divisions preparing for weeks to attack them,The military did not, MacArthur did.
>>62900310they're on full damage control, its absolutely patheticcan't wait till total chink death, purely just for how god damned noisy they arewhats with subhumans countries & all their yelling?can any of you slant eyes tell me why you fucks have to be so loud?
>haha we made you retreat back into South Korea China numbah one!>the CCP's other most celebrated feat of martial valor is running the fuck away from Chiang across all of Chinahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March???
>>62891344>They are not familiar with night fighting or hand to hand combatYes, the US army is "not familiar with" human wave tactics. What a devastating indictment.Literally the only reason a Chinaman ever made it over the Yalu is because the US imposed a bunch of absurd restrictions on itself, prohibiting striking any targets in China being the most stupid. In 1950 there were a grand total of TWO rail lines connecting the East and West of China, and one of them is ON THE FUCKING COAST.Victory in Korea was intentionally thrown away, as in Vietnam, as in Iraq, as in Afghanistan. All intentional, all Democrats, the pain is the point.
>>62894217>America got its ass kicked in maneuver warfare first by the norksYeah... for about 4 weeks... sort of, if you count delaying actions as defeats.
>>62900301>But it doesn't count because the Chinese only chased them all the way down to south of Seoul, instead of outright overrunning and annihilating them?This is a fun game you can play with wumaos called "then what happened?" In this case, the answer is those American units that escaped being encircled and annihilated counterattacked and retook Seoul from the Chinese.
>>62900373>Opening a second front in one of the largest countries in both area and population Have you never heard of "never start a land war on Asia?" The US knew better than Japan.
sounds like nothing has changed. these days american soldiers fight by getting pinned down by a 17 year old with a 1950s soviet rifle and then call for an airstrike to level the entire village just in case.
>>62900558>Opening a second frontYou're a fucking retard. Having air ops is not "opening a front", you don't need to put a single boot on China to cripple their railways.>The US knew better than Japan.Japan WON the land war. They successfully subjugated the Chinese and checked the Russians to a peace. What the fuck are you talking about?In fact they're the ones who proved my exact point; during the 19th and 20th century, land wars were won and lost by rail infrastructure. There were two arteries by which 80% of the Chinese economy contributed to the war effort in Korea, and one of them is on the coast.The map wasn't for decoration. Here, I made it easier for you. Look at the blue circle, if you don't know what the color blue looks like, google image search "blue". If you don't know what a circle is, tie rope around your neck and jump off an overpass.
>>62892086Unfortunately. Butter is still popular. Tallow needs to be appreciated.
>>62893688What a Chad. Checked.
>>62897462Post the second half.
>>62900699>It's not opening a frontYou are working on an incredible assumption that militaries would just sit there and twiddle their thumbs. You don't just bomb it once, they're going to repair it. You need a plan to establish air superiority over China and keep hitting it. Then you need to keep naval superiority for your own supply lines. Then you need to protect your own air bases from ground attack. >Japan wonActually understand what happened. The Japanese won initial victories in conquering coastal areas. China drew them into the heartlands, whittling away at their supply lines and men with guerilla warfare. In the second half of the war they had lost the initiative and were losing battle after battle. By the time Japan surrendered china had retaken Guangxi, which was their last major stronghold.
>>62900657>Nooo!!! You can't use your asymmetric advantage!!!
>>62891879kek
>>62891344>Their infantrymen are weak, afraid to die, and have no courage to attack or defend.so weak that they broke out>They depend always on their planes, tanks, artillery.what the hell does this mean?that the US uses combined arms, thats called a normal army>They specialize in day fighting.most armies do>They are not familiar with night fighting or hand to hand combat.did they imagine all the night combat in the pacific front?did the germans only attack at night?>If defeated, they have no orderly formation.the defeated cavalry division managed to break out, so clearly they were still ordered>Without the use of their mortars, they become completely lost.what does this even mean?did the chinese not use mortars?>When transportation comes to a standstill, the infantry loses the will to fight."another context-less statementthe chinese were unable to press attacks without their own transports, with the chinese attempts to push past the 38th failing because their own logistics were falling apart>Is this assesment correct about the state of the US military back then or even today?:noor they are meaningless, like saying an army relied on its airpower and artillerythats a strange statement, unless the chinese only believe in infantry rushes
>>62900742>You are working on an incredible assumption that militaries would just sit there and twiddle their thumbs.Through the power of the language I can articulate how I would beat a 22yo Mike Tyson in a boxing match.>You don't just bomb it once, they're going to repair it.Heaven forbid you task more than one strike to preventing THE VAST MAJORITY OF ALL MANPOWER AND SUPPLIES from moving through a comically vulnerable artery. Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking asshole, no, that rail link was not defensible. It just was not, railways are the least defensible infrastructure there is owing purely to their shape. China didn't have a system of highways, it didn't have enough AA to saturate hundreds of miles of coastline. The 50s was actually a good time to be a pilot, you would probably only be downed by another pilot, AA weapons technology was lagging.You are making a category error here. Railways are so vulnerable that a US submarine crew blew a Japanese one up, for the fun of it, without any orders to do so.>In the second half of the warYou mean the part where China had unlimited supply from, and operational cooperation with, the allies?Anyway, I put the big blue circle there in the hopes that you would notice the big blue area which partially filled it called the OCEAN. It's made of WATER. Aircraft travel through something called "air". We are not discussing a land war in the Chinese heartlands, we're discussing an Achilles heel which the American-led UN forces IMPOSED UPON THEMSELVES a duty not to exploit.This is not a debate, the USAF didn't hold back because they thought it couldn't be done, they held back because the White House limited their operations to Korea.
>>62891444War never ended, plebbitor
>>62900897>Bomb a 10 foot hole in a railway>Bunch of coolies come over and fix it >War casualties: some guy's lunch break, Mao's Temu order is 1 day late
>>62899679That's only because China has a lot of dudes and can afford to lose them. If they had a small population like the US, they would be more careful, too, and would have similar losses.
