Whats the answer to these swarm drones if they are unloaded in the field? Maybe not densely packed like this, but separated by 50 meters. Each drone carrying an explosive device and some onboard gun with some arbitrary bullet count and high accuracy rating on each shot at a greater than 2 x meat shield range.
Jamming is the answer.
>hide in bunker for 15 minutes>they fall out of the sky out of batterygg
>>62891462>and some onboard gun with some arbitrary bullet count and high accuracy rating on each shot at a greater than 2 x meat shield range.Well for a start you're not going to be able to swarm because you just increased the mass of each drone by more than a factor of 10. So give up on the gun to start with. As for explosives? Same as ever; jamming, lasers, airbursting air defense. But the real solution is to just not allow your enemy time to set up hundreds of drones. It's a lot like asking 'what's the answer to a 2000lbs JDAM falling towards my position'? Well, the answer was to not allow the enemy to drop it on you in the first place. Drones have relatively poor range, and are relatively slow and low performance, so much like the solution to artillery is to kill the artillery, the solution to drones is to slaughter the vehicles carrying the drones into the AO before they're deployed. Cover, jamming, air defense is all secondary to the goal of brutalizing the enemy so badly they can't even bring these things into play.
>>62891484That and C-RAM and mini C-RAM-like going forward
>>62891554I'll use a video game example and modify params a bit.>a shipping container gets hijacked>inside has 10K drones>ship docks at port>drone gets released>destroys base defenses/naval ships/etc (military)>kills thousands of civilians (terrorists)10K drones that cost $300 each that can do 20mph and 1 hr of endurance before requiring recharging/etc. Thats just $3 million dollars in money to wreck ton of havoc. And the ship could deploy drones by 3000 each hour while the rest can recharge within an hour (if the drone ship has wireless charging pad for return charging).
>>62891462What about that weapon the US Army was testing that used microwaves to super-heat shit from a distance? I feel like most of these things have pretty delicate electronics inside, you could just fry their CPU or some shit or melt some critical part. Jamming would work but I don't think it permanently disables them, they'd surely fall out of the sky and maybe break on impact. Last thing you want is some of these fuckers reactivating if the jammer fails and then flying around and blowing you up while you are fapping in a foxhole. Also I think the fact that we now have swarms of autonomous exploding drones is proof positive we've gone too far. Time for a seriously hard reset, like thousands of years back. This shit cannot possibly end well for anyone.
>>62891646Jamming works if they're flying high where the jammers can activate in wide arc. But if they're flying low like few meters above ground, they cant do shit unless its a narrow open area. Eventually, you'll have to face them on the ground and them targeting/chasing you from every rooftop/widow like a human would. Thats the scary part.
>>62891462flak
>>62891462Keeping the distance. Drone battery life is kinda shit, you wont fly very far with a swarm like this.
>>62891666I think we should start training raptor birds like hawks and falcons to attack these motherfuckers. Those things are insanely fast and agile, they would be a minibitchdrone's natural enemy. Either that or we just have anti-drone drones that fly in swarms and auto-target/destroy incoming drones via suicide runs.
>>62891603Ok, luckily it's extremely difficult to do something like that and the people with the means and skills would much rather do something productive with their life. Like, why waste your time with all that shit when you could use those same drones to start massive continent spanning forest fires instead? Why do people shoot up schools when they could do a thousand times the damage for a thousand times longer before being caught, by laying spikestrips across highways at night? The answer of course is that people are stupid, and smart people don't waste their time doing terrorism in the first place 99% of the time. But also, you're never going to source a drone that has that level of autonomy, and endurance, and has a useful payload for 300 dollars. It's a bad example because drones offer almost nothing novel here for a terrorist scenario. There are already a million and one ways that someone that clever could do far more damage, and a myriad of reasons why it doesn't happen.
>>62891672Flak is shit, it couldn't even stop fat, slow moving bombers from turning Germany into a pancake.
EASYMODE: GENEVA CONVENTION BANS THE USE OF DRONES IN WARFAREWe did it with shit like poison gas, no reason we can't add these little faggots to the list. Their use in conventional warfare is truly a horror beyond comprehension, as bad as nukes IMO.
>>62891701Flak is excellent for this kind of thing. Not only did flak in WWII actually outperform the Luftwaffe, but drones are far easier targets. Those fat flow moving bombers are several times the speed of drones and fly at extremely high altitudes which forces flak batteries to use high powered guns. Drones fly at low altitudes which enables far more cost effective shells, and modern guidance has hugely improved its lethality. Flak sucks against high performance aircraft, it's absolutely lethal against low performance ones like drones.
>>62891724The size of these targets is a major concern, they're tiny compared to a B52 that is roughly 500x their size. A more compact CIWS like a mini Phalanx would be based, but for combating massive swarms you'd almost need something chemical or electronic like an EMP.
that's not a swarm, the individuals are not aware at any level of the rest of the swarm.
>>62891737How do you know they're not aware? They could be operating on some collective hivemind and position themselves relative to one another.
>>62891681>But also, you're never going to source a drone that has that level of autonomy, and endurance, and has a useful payload for 300 dollars.Drone just needs software rewrite and GPS/maps data. The software just needs to be simple pathfinding even a simple A* pathfinding with a preplanned route. Then it needs object detection (advances in the last 2-3 years has been amazing). And they could even wire it to 4G or 5G network for cloud computing to offload these computes if needed.I'm just saying, in the case of war, terrorism, or even organized crimes, these things can easily be deployed. And you dont even need top of the line programmer to be recruited in the mission, you can have a mediocre programmer + AI code help you with that now. Or just pay some indians or russians to program you various components for $50. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DDT1S4LH/Ex, this one is $150 (with 50% coupon applied) commercial off the shelf with GPS/custom user profile route planning/path finding/return to base function/runs about an hour/etcThats just whats available today on Amazon, maybe 5 years down the line, shit will be much more advanced
>>62891734>The size of these targets is a major concern, they're tiny compared to a B52 that is roughly 500x their size.Which works against them. With preformed fragments you get very evenly distributed frag patterns and almost every part of a drone is either structural or a critical component with zero redundancy. They have no lifting body so the moment power dies they're dead, and have very little ability to absorb damage to the rotors, whereas bombers were full of redundancy and are giant lifting bodies which meant you could poke thousands of holes in them and potentially still have them turn around and land just fine. >A more compact CIWS like a mini Phalanx would be based, but for combating massive swarms you'd almost need something chemical or electronic like an EMP.Based but terrible, gun based CIWS spends way too much time on target to be viable against a swarm, and small caliber rounds are a huge friendly fire and collateral damage liability because they're too small to mount a self destruct charge, which means every miss can end up landing in a city somewhere. Flak rounds come in autocannon form which means a single battery can slaughter handfuls of drones a second if they aren't tremendously spaced out, and you only have to worry about terminal velocity fragments rather than full sized rifle rounds plunging back down to the earth.
Here's your solution: a clone army of Jerrys.
>>62891484we jamming, I wanna jam it with youand I hope you like jamming too
>>62891794literally war crime
>>62891810It's only a war crime if you lose the war.>>62891802Ayyyyyy mon gimme summadat brain cancer
>>62891737>the individuals are not aware at any level of the rest of the swarmThat's true if you only have 10,000 drones. But, if you have 10,001 drones, it becomes Skynet. Then your worries are over.
>>62891737Add 4G/5G/LTE and have them all upload what they see to a cloud server and main server distributes task order back to the drones and acts in swarm.
Flight and recharging time are small concerns if you have 1 kg of C4 on each drone and they are all programmed for blanket coverage of an entire city. Assuming that you care to have the drone return and that you have thousands of drone operators also acting as gunners for mounted firearms is a pretty ridiculous and limited way of looking at using something like this.Imagine pre-programmed drones, each with 1 or 5 kg C4 or whatever, being launched 300 or 500 at a time every five or ten minutes until you've emptied three or twenty cargo containers. All of them seek out and detonate targets that are programmed, maybe a dozen total drone operators coordinating some of the most rudimentary maneuvers. You could disable an entire port city the size of Baltimore for years in about an hour or two. Since each drone is preprogrammed, no fucks to give about jammers, just seek and kill.Literally, for $5 to $10 million you can erase Baltimore from the modern world for about three or five years. There's no defense against that, other than preventing it from happening to begin with. If a smart person had been in charge, Hamas could have done this on Oct 7th 2023 and there really would have been 6 gorillion dead.
>>62893699>thousands of drone operatorsThis is a 1 person job and can even be 0 person job with limited scope.
>>62891462illumination shells to blind all of them mixed with AA artillery barragesi doubt they're very fast or strong so it should be pretty effective, and the payload each one carries should be so light that even if a few dont get hit they wouldnt do much in an actual siege
>>62891462Huge nets. I'm thinking like, military grade T shirt cannon, 4 barrels with big weights, splayed out like two intersecting Vs, then like make the net itself out of a ~1-2" weave of kevlar or something and yeet it into the air.4 barrels would be adjustable angle to change how far you can sling the net before it's fully deployed. You'd pry need several but I'm thinking like one net could be made the size of a football field or something.
>>62897241Or hell it doesn't even need to be a projectile just hire two grunts one on each side to run along the battlefield with a giant tennis net between them and like 200ft poles to sweep the area. If a person couldn't handle the height/weight just slap them on some Humvees. or drag a flying net below a couple of slightly larger more capable drones and fly thru the swarm.Nets people, the answer has to be nets.
>>62891462Depends on the drones and the size of the swarm. If we assume that those swarms do not require a command link, jamming could potentially make the swarm less effective by shutting down communication between the involved drones. Then you would probably use a combination of purpose built drones, DEW and ABM AAA to destroy the drones. All have pros and cons, so using them in conjunction should yield optimal results. Turns out that that’s exactly what most western militaries are developing/introducing at this time.
