Naaaah bro, thats foul, I spent $600 on them level 4 plates just for someone to aim at the other 80% exposed of my body?Fuck, man, I feel scammed lowkey
this is a shit thread but the point of the plates is to cover half of the stuff that a surgeon can't stop you from dying from. BTW, most people (especially civilians) have their plate carriers too low on their torso (it is less comfortable when it is positioned at the correct height, you want to cover the aortic arch)
>>62892365They've made IIIA flaps and lv IV dick plates for thirty years."I'll just aim around it" is the most pathetic cope. The man who has the luxury of aiming center mass has the statistical advantage.
Ya muddah's pussy is foul after I fuck her. Fuck yamudda
I think body armor for civilians is pure LARP and cargo culting of the military. It only covers your heart and lungs, i.e. the places where if you get hit you'll die before you can get to a doctor, so that's great if you're in a modern military where you'll be evac'd and get medical attention immediately. But, if you're just an average dickhead in le ebin boogaloogaloo or whatever other pipe dream you're preparing for, then that gut shot or hit to a limb will kill you all the same because no one is going to haul your ass to a field hospital. What works for the military where for each guy fighting there's literal dozens of guys and billions of dollars worth of equipment who's job is to support him will not work for you and your couple of range buddies by yourselves, and a lot of the "gun community" such as it is needs to get that through their thick fucking skulls.
>>62892442they hated him because he preached the truth.
>>62892365poorfag cope. Do you think people with nice gear don't know this?
>>62892442I agree. IMO if you are a civilian and worried about any of that stuff, mobility and speed and storage space are your friend, being able to gtfo of dodge as fast as possible, with enough survival kit as possible, is going to do a much better job keeping you alive than any plate ever will. You are not front line infantry, and you are definitly not a Tier 1 door kicker, so why fucking act like one. I seen a clip of that Garand Thumb vid the other day, talking about 'Civilian' setups, the second I heard them mention the best place to have your grenade pouches I couldnt even hate watch it, just so fucking cringy man, itd make you sick. Id love to rant like a lunatic about these fucking larpers mag dumping 2 cardboard targets point blank and calling it 'training' instead of just admitting its your rights and its fun, but Id actually go blue in the face and it would change nothing, so I wont.
>>6289244299% of anything in the "gun community" is consoomerism and larp, guns are largely just a hobby that people don't want to admit is just a hobby
>>62892365>he bought all the gear >trained in shooting>never took the how not to get shot classes>OPs bleeding out>If only he didn't stand in the open fully exposed like a retard>sadly OP's common sense is missing because he forgot to take simple mistakes 101>now OP is crying without a dick>and everyone else took cover a long time ago and quietly laughing>he'll live but he is now captain nonutsIdk OP maybe not expose yourself to the enemy?
I agree, civilians shouldn't bother with body armor.
>>62893110Well.. no? Just the the mere fact of having a large percent of the population armed changes everything, it's both a failsafe and a hobby.
>>62893110And yeah, if the reason you buy body armor and all of the larperator gear is just "Because I can, it's fun, and I want it" that's a perfectly valid reason. Do it up, King. I wish you the best. But don't sit there and go off about what's most "practical" and optimal builds and shit or what will or won't get you killed in da streetz. None of that shit is ever going to see anything resembling real combat, and acting like it will just makes you look unhinged.
>>62893346But you don't know that.
>>62892365You feel that way because you're an idiot who doesn't get it. Nice waste of a thread dipshit.
>>62892442So don't bother with body armor because youll bleed out in 4 hours from a gut shot but theres still a chance you make it versus you will 100% die instantly or within 5 minutes from a hole in your liver the plate is otherwise protecting
The more and more threads I see telling people to NOT purchase life-saving equipment, the more I'm under the impression they're psyops wanting to "demilitarize" preppers.Plates are shelf-stable goods that will save your ass if you're hit in the vitals, cost no more than $250 a piece for reputable budget Level IV, and can be left in a platecarrier for literal decades. People have shot armor decades past the warranty expiration and it worked. What matters is buying reputable plates.They're a no-brainer prep versus buying your sixth lower or the latest Holosun when you already have five others. I would only prioritize shelter / security, water, food, electricity, firearms, and ammo above them.
>>62892442This. Geartards don't understand logistics. They forget during that the buggabego there will be no more Cabela's, no more ordering tacticool stuff online, no resupply. Their massive pile of expensive shit will invariably run dry, leaving them destitute as they forgot to stock up on survival skills. Meanwhile bubba's doing okay hunting squirrels with his granddaddy's 16ga and his pissin' hot hand loads.
>>62892984>uhm acktually covering your vital organs is le cringeI feel like all of you saying this shit have never had any first aid experience.
>>62892442>>62893630>I'm a fatass redneck who thinks 10lbs and $500 is too muchAbdominal and side plates are probably worth it for civilian/militia purposes though.
This thread reminds me of this pic I made.
>>62893539Show me a single civilian shooting in the past 20 years where armor made a difference
>>62893667>worth it for civilian/militia purposesI'm curious. What exactly is the scenario you're picturing in your head where a civilian would benefit from armor? Is there any realistic chance of it happening to you?
>>62893539Yeah, I also don't know if a flying invisible pink unicorn is going to take a shit on my front porch, but I'm not going to bother keeping a shovel nearby just in case one does.
>>62893765Preventing another Peanut the squirrel incident
>>62893346If we're talking practical a covert level 2 vest is about as good as it gets, on the basis that there's at least a chance you might be wearing the fucking thing when you actually need it.Think George Floyd 2.0 but you need to go out for milk and bread.
>>62892442I would say that if you were to get armor, you're probably better off getting lvl IIIa armor vest to protect against frag from explosions. Getting shot should be considered either as a role of the dice/it is what it is/skill issue where individual and team tactics play a way bigger role than whatever it is you're wearing; but in regards to frag, you have a way bigger chance of getting shit blasted your way than you do bullets so you're probably in a safer state with the soft armor that offers more all around coverage than just plates. You also get the advantage of staying light. A lot of larpers either organize their gear to mirror either SOF guys doing door kicking shit or infantry serving in a line unit who have lines of communications with combat and company trains backing them up. You should really be organizing your shit to mirror that of infantry going out on a 24-72 hour combat patrol. Food, water, an absolutely abhorrent amount of ammunition (str8 up like 12-18+ mags my guy), warming layers, trusty E-tool, pussy pad if it's really cold and rain gear + team/mission essential equipment/munitions. Hauling all that shit around plus lvl IV plates will easily bring you up to like 70-90 pounds depending on gear. You can get away with heavy ass loadouts in Afghanistan due to the most common mission just being presence patrols with the back up of QRF's, arty, mortars and gunships on standby. But in some guerrilla context where you would have to actually close with to destroy the enemy? You need to be able to run. Run far and run fast. You're not doing that if you're HECU tier ass is heavy. tl;dr: bullets coming at you is both a skill issue and just the reality of war, turns out war isn't that safe of a thing. Frag on the other hand is much more of a roll of the dice and should be prioritized protection wise over bullets; you need to stay light for movement for survival on the battlefield when you can't just have the A10 murder everything for you.
>>62893727>that picThat is so laughably wrong.
>>62893765the inevitable moment this country goes full totalitarian and death squads are going door to door murdering everyone who doesnt want to worship a cabal of plutocratic satanists. the entire second amendment is for regicide/tyrannicide, prepare accordingly.
>>62893773>flying invisible pink unicorndo these unicorns happen to also control the world economy and central security institutions along with a long history of overthrowing foreign governments and sponsoring terrorist groups with your tax dollars?
>>62892442Tell that to anyone who has to handle money
>>62892442>yes goy, don't bother buying plates... they won't make a difference! Besides you can't fight an F16!
>>62893838>Any conversation about plates turns into shitposting>Most fags have never worn plates + sizable pack/ruck for long distances Shit's heavy.
>>62893828It must be them because it's shortly going to be illegal to say anyone else is doing it.
>>62893838lol this. >armor wont help you fagsdo you people ever take a day off? starting to think its an AI echo chamber
>>62892365I spent $40 on my 4s and got a lvl3 dick plate for $24. But hey if your plates ever stop a bullet, relative to a medical bill or death, you made out like a bandit.
>>62893882>Uses the LA bank robberyNone of those officers had body armor that could stop the rounds being fired by the two robbers. None of them died because they were firing wildly at everything and just didn't hit anyone causing any life threatening injuries.
>>62893838boogaloo memes are a Russian psyop to sow dissent among Americans
>>62893962Cope and sneed glownigger.https://youtu.be/W2ckB57halk
>>62893996even if you're right they are too
i don't see a point in getting so angry about how someone else spends their money
>>62892442>>62893765A Floyd tier riot isn't an unthinkable level of threat where a vest and a rifle aren't unreasonable precautions. Statistically highly improbable maybe, but not impossible. Civil War, Red Dawn, general EOTWAWKI, that's larp.
>>62893962plus they were bank robbers, not murderers. they didn't want to kill police, just get a sweet adrenaline rush and lots of cash
>>62892365Plates are designed for very specific scenarios. Those scenarios being you have medevac available to a proper chain of medical care. So in WAR, yeah, great, because most shots to anywhere in the thorax are not immediately life threatening (even an artery can be clamped most of the time) so your side can probably medevac you and get you into a chain of care that will save you. Without armor, thorax injuries are such that most of the time there is not enough time to get you into the chain of care. Thats the role of plates. For civilians, plates work the same way. But it makes them more role specific.>If we ARMAGEDDON now there is no point as a gunshot to a limb will be as fatal as a gunshot to the thorax as there is no care available. Because when the world ends the ER staff tend to stop reporting for their shifts. >If we RIOT AND SEETHE now, plates would be useful as care is still available, but the probability of you being in a scenario that justifies plates is extremely small. Like, wtf, do you live with the poors or something?
>>62896570>because most shots to anywhere in the thorax are not immediately life threatening*anywhere but the thorax
>>62892372no surgeon is saving you from your hip bones being reduced to sand, sorry buddy but this meme is unironically true
>>62892442nobody wants to be honest and admit that whoever brings the most bullets to a fight usually wins, and that is assuming you are getting into a firefight that you can't just run away from, because that's the actual correct thing for any civilian to do, just leave. But I see guys carrying a grand total of 6+1 mags and thinking they are top dog and that they are gonna OWN the battlefield and I always laugh. Nigga 6 mags is enough to barely cover your ass while your run away. Don't talk to me unless you have at least 10 mags on you
>>62893796Honestly, preach. In a total collapse scenario, everything and the kitchen sink is going to be used in confrontations, and you're better off legging it wearing light armor that can probably stop Bubba's 00 and Jennifer's .380 than carrying plates.HOWEVER, I don't think frag is a major issue in this kind of situation. Few people own that hardware and producing it is going to be low on folk's priority lists.Things aren't going to stay like that for long, though. Eventually, someone's going to come out on top, and they're going to need folks to enforce whatever rule they end up with. This means rifles and grenades, and since we're being realistic about the kinds of people who own tactical gear in civil society, means they'll either be working for them or raiding them as a means to put food on the table. In that kind of situation? You probably do want rifle protection.
>>62896570Ah the old fuddlore that hits to plates produce significant injuries.
>>62896761>because that's the actual correct thing for any civilian to do, just leaveFucking THIS, but I disagree on one major point. You don't win by having more ammo. You win by avoiding the firefight entirely. If as a civilian you ever get into a firefight where plates would make any kind of difference, then you have already fucked up royally and your death is inevitable. Some dickhead posted about the North Hollywood shootout as a defense of using body armor. Those fuckers both DIED! They didn't even manage to take anyone with them. You know why? Because they were outnumbered a hundred to one by an enemy with coordination and support. Do you think if maybe they just bought the more expensive plates they would have made it? That if they had better gear they could have won that fight? No. They were dead men walking the moment the first shot went off.If you are in any kind of similar situation you are absolutely FUCKED! You will not win. It does not matter what kind of gear you have. Unless you've got a fucking main battle tank to drive your ass out of that situation you 100% WILL die. And that's the kind of odds you're facing in whatever muh boogaloo civil war power fantasy the schizos in this thread dream up. If you are planning to fight a superior enemy head on in a stand up firefight then you are planning to die. You need better tactics, not better equipment.
>>62893647Not the point at all. If you're in a firefight in "le bugaloo", you've already fucked up beyond belief. Getting the fuck out of dodge and being more mobile is the best way to not die, full stop. Try first aiding your way out of a gut shot on your own in the woods rambo.
>>62892372>A surgeon is going to save you if you take buckshot directly to the gut.Most likely, it's going to have the same effect that it does on similarly sized animals, incapacitating you instantly and killing you very rapidly.
>>62897062>Fuddlore>Lots of scientific studies on living animals and human cadavers>Examples in the media of soldiers with broken sternums from non-penetrating rounds.There is one study in particular where they killed over half the pigs with without penetrating by shooting them with .30-06 out of long barrels at near point blank range.BTW, the pigs, which tend to survive thoracic injuries better than humans, still died when backface deformation was below NIJ standards.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17985777/In this case an army guy was shot twice, no pen (so he lived) and ended up with full flail chest (broken and dislocated ribs), which is normally instantly incapacitating and depending on how the ribs break can lead to punctured lungs and rapid death.https://www.army.mil/article/175668/surviving_attack_more_than_just_dumb_luck_for_sergeantBut for some reason, only on /k/ is BABT considered a myth, with people thinking that advances in material science that stop penetration would let people tank 14.5mm rounds to the chest without their organs being destroyed, etc.As near as I can tell, this certitude in folks often stems from a fake 90s video of a guy being shot with 7.62mm at point blank range without even flinching, which I would guess was extremely underloaded or just faked.
>>62897258BTW, the actual research on this suggests that the pressure wave, not BFD, is what is liable to fuck your shit up. So trauma pads might help, but there is a limit to what you can expect to survive (or be uninjured by) that is hard to get around without some sort of sci-fi high mass exoskeleton shit.Now people also have been shot with 12.7mm and been fine (I know of one example from the very opening of Iraq) but this was because it was at extreme long range and the projectile had lost most of its energy (obviously it would pen with more energy too).
>>62892442This. In a true SHTF situation, your best chance of survival is to get out of dodge and stay under the radar until things blow over. Find a fortifiable but inconspicuous place to hunker down and only use your guns for hunting and killing looters who stumble upon you. Patrolling your community with an AR and full kit is the quickest way to make yourself a target for other heavily armed schizos and the military (which will kill you without hesitation in a martial law scenario).
>>62897083Those two were also higher than giraffe pussy and seemed more interested in spraying rounds every which way instead of making any real attempt at a breakout.
>>62892381I fucking hate this meme. You faggots sound like an olive oil soaked NYC guinea/glorified nog
>>62893765When there's a jew posting in thread telling you not to do it, I'd rather do it and figure it out later than wait until I know why I should've in the first place.
>>62897258> shooting them with .30-06 out of long barrels at near point blank rangeWell, shit. I guess I shouldn't let someone with a loaded gun walk up to me and place the barrel against my chest before pulling the trigger.
>>62897546Fuck yamudda
>>62897258Eh, that one Prednisone goblin of a vet did some fund raisers where he had his wife shoot him in plates too to prove a point. Barely even noticed the 12g slug at across the porch distances. BFD induced trauma is definitely a thing, but I really don't think it's a practical concern outside of bizarre outlier situations
>>62898192You can get slugs with pretty low muzzle energy and most don't have the muzzle energy where BABT starts killing animals.Energy, not BFD is the key variable. Using BFD is essentially staying with 1980s science. There are indeed ways to deal with pressure waves better, but not really solid solutions.
>>62892365If you insist on wearing armor, flak jackets make the most sense in the DWOT. Good luck hiding from thermal drones. You'll be dodging shrapnel and splinters from drone munitions.>>62896570This is disingenuous. If the goal is survival, it makes more sense to sustain a treatable wound than just to die outright. The question is whether wearing armor is worth the weight trade-off.
>>62896739>it's another episode of "retard doesn't understand what bullets do to the human body"Assuming you mean the pelvis and not the hip, yes, a fracture of it can in fact heal, surgery potentially not required. The soft tissue organs of the abdomen and pelvis are a far bigger concern, and so I do actually recommend abdominal and pelvic plated for most civilian/militia purposes where you're going to prioritize protection over mobility. Oh, and, no, a bullet isn't going to atomize a bone that big. A 50 cal, maybe? If it struck at a near 90 degree angle? But nothing you'd see normally.If your understanding of battle wounds comes from facebook posts and video games, maybe you should listen and learn, amigo>>62897204Gunshot wounds to the bowels typically take 24 hours or more to become lethal, assuming no large artery was hit. If the abdominal aorta gets hit, yeah, now you have seconds to minutes before losing consciousness and dying. A hit to one of the highly vascular organs (the liver and spleen) can be fatal in minutes to hours depending on the size of the injury (usually hours for a gunshot wound). But most gut shots do not hit that (these delicate things are more deeply buried and protected), and instead tear up the digestive and reproductive organs: this is actually one of the worst, most agonizing ways to die. But it can be surgically managed, albeit in many cases with lifelong lifestyle and health changes that range from "inconvenient" to "my life totally sucks now". Regardless, they are very unlikely to be lethal if you can get them to an operating table within the day, which is why any first world military (and most other militaries) are fine with just the upper thorax being protected.I have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever if this is different for animals, or why that might be the case. But humans can have their guts spill out and get packed back in like you see in gory movies, and they often live (this is more common than you would expect)
well if you're aiming specifically at their dick why not just redirect that effort towards aiming for their face?fucking tarkov midwits
>>62897258The cadaver study I am familiar with used ancient dead bodies, like 70+ years old. Gay low bone mass shitters, and the plate was intentionally designed to maximize BFD by being all-poly. And pigs are NOT people, evinced by the COMPLETE lack of real-world cases of BFD inducing fatalities. Not my fault they die to shit that hasnt killed a single human. 60 years since composite plates started seeing action, and not ONE recorded fatality from a round that the plate stopped. Its fuddlore, and I would happily be the man to test a 14.5x114 API to the chest provided I had the appropriate plate.
>>62898718Aiming priority:>torso, highest priority unless obstructed or wearing armor or has a hostage>pelvic, next highest priority mainly if he's wearing armor>headshot, mainly if it is the only part being exposed or if he has a hostage5.56 destroying your pelvic bones, lower back, and severing major arteries is just as effective as 5.56 ripping through your heart. And that's just for law enforcement/self defense shooting. If we're talking infantry shit, then just suppress with battle buddies and chuck frags at him once you close the distance and or mag dump around cover into his fighting position/down the hallway/into the room. Nothing trumps teamwork and shear abhorrent levels of violence.
>>62898942why did you bother typing that boring shit out
>>62898982Why do you choose to be retarded?
>>62893765Damn you are stupid
>>62898709You're retarded. If someone dumps a shotgun into your stomach you stand a very good chance of dying very rapidly and not "it's quite unlikely to die in less than 24 hours," lol.
>>62898709You seem to be conflating single hand gun wounds with a weapon designed to make animals die very quickly. It's more like getting shot with 8-12 rounds of .38. You're also talking around 600 grains vs maybe 120 and like 5-6 times the muzzle energy.
>>62899175>>62899214To be fair lots of people have never seen the results, they tend to get blurred out. Uncle Clint's famous quote is quite right, a good SSG/No.3/4 load basically teleports a couple of pounds of mince into your target. Even hunters tend not to see it for obvious reasons.
>>62898709This is just as vital of a region as the torso in terms of "places you definitely don't want lead zipping through".
>>62899175If the shots do not hit major arteries or vascular organs, no, you're not going to die of a magic low HP bar. People survive horrendous abdominal wounds all the time, and there is a reason why the ribcage extends only as far as it does.Use that tiny brain, anon. Why do things die? Do they die because they got shot? No, of course not, they die because their internal organs are no longer able to function. If you want something to die in minutes or less there are surprisingly few ways to make that happen. In a human, most of them are in the head and upper thorax.>>62899214Doesn't matter. Bullets don't make you more deader faster just because they make a bigger hole. If it misses things that can kill you quickly, then you don't die quickly. I am talking about .308 rounds that can punch right fucking through your lumbar vertebral bodies - guess what, even with all that energy, it still isn't going to magically kill you in minutes if all it rips apart are your intestines.Other arteries in the region can be fatal too btw, the aorta is just the only one that will be as quick as people tend to imagine.>>62899446I agree if there isn't a great chance that the soldier can get evacuated to an operating table with full support. And I also agree that the vascular supply is inherently risky enough that soldiers in static defense positions should probably be wearing abdominal and pelvic armor. But there are more things in the upper thorax that, if damaged, you are never coming back from. And even things that can be survived, like many lung wounds, are often more urgent than a gut wound. Is it good to have a tunnel torn through your large and small bowel simultaneously, in multiple places? Hell no. But is a 2 hour delay in medevac gonna make a life or death difference? Probably not.But God help you if a bullet fragment or a bit of shot nicks a pulmonary artery, or the aortic arch, or the heart box, or the trachea, or a deep artery, etc. There's no saving you.
>>62892365Why do you threaten neutering?
>>62899446Also I think this kind of undersells the risks of internal bleeding of the lower abdomen. I'm pretty sure both the IMA and SMA, both of which are removed from this rendeding, can also be fatal if ruptured by a battle wound (and their larger branches too). Though I'm not certain of that, since vasospasm can work wonders, at least for a time.
>>62892365>I can hit pelvic bowl shots on the range, that means covering half your center mass is useless
>>62899951How to properly defeat armored combatants:>one element fires at the enemy position to suppress them>another element maneuvers to an advantageous position to shoot the enemy>element shoots the suppressed enemy>enemy is killTTP's>everything else.
>>62899891
>>62900017Alternatively… overwhelm armor with superior force… Even if it doesn’t penetrate… your not going to be having a good day.
>>62893890They never will, thats kinda the idea here
>>62896542what they were was high. if they were sober they could have killed cops.
>>62892442so having not having medevac magically makes plates worthless?you're a fucking idiot & the dumbasses agreeing with you are just as brainless tooheres a question for your negroidic fatty tumer called a brain: whats better >getting shot in a plate & not being hurt, because the plate took the shot, as its meant toor>getting shot in the square in the naked chest because i thought "well medevac won't save me!!!", then promptly dyingor is that question too complicated for your monkey fuck to understand?maybe asking you how you'd feel if you didn't eat breakfast is more your speed?
>>62900248No one's ever been killed with BFD through a plate.
>>62900641How many were killed by the second shot as they flopped around on the ground though.
>>62900248No pen no problem. Nothing a trauma pad can't cushion
>>62900017That's what they're doing to you numbnuts, and they are tougher to kill and more confident in fighting due to their armor.
>>62892372Unless you have paramedics on standby and a hospital notified to be ready (because you're a zogbot about to put the boot to a civilians neck). If you get hit in the stomach, pelvis, neck, face region, you're probably done for.
>>62892381I love this meme. Reminds me of home; Philadelphia. What a shithole.
>>62893996>You will be replaced>You will accept globohomo >You will become a hated minority in your nation>You will ignore inflation >You will ignore wages>You will consume the goyslop>You will die for Israel>And you will follow any and all unconditional laws>Dissenters of this are probably Russian bots
>>62901387At what fucking point have we ever died for israel. None of our interventions in the middle east were based off of defending Israel as a primary motivation.
>>62901368Sure bud you go ahead and believe that.>faceMostly yes, but some hits are survivable, mostly grazing hits or small shrapnel that embeds in bone>neckAgain mostly yes, but you can take a solid hit in certain spots that really only damages musculature, being ultimately survivable even without surgical intervention. If a carotid or anything pharyngolaryngeal or esophageal or tracheal gets hit, yeah, you'd better get to the hospital.>stomachIf you mean the actual stomach itself, it is more pressing than most other abdominal organs, yeah. The bowels do not need immediate surgery, even for a very large hit.>pelvisAlmost entirely dependent on whether or not arteries are hemorrhaging. Realistically, field medicine may be able to get you to a point where you're going to be stable for a day or two, but it really depends. But many pelvic hits fail to rupture a major artery, and these are typically survivable without surgery (if very unpleasant)Note that just because something can be survived, doesn't mean you don't want that surgery ASAP. It's just not as immediate of a life threat as everyone seems to believe.
>>62899891>Doesn't matter.It does because 12 pellets tearing through your body have a much higher chance of hitting major organs, blood vessels etc. and lots of wholes also causes catastrophic bleeding. Whereas a slug expands.
>>62899891>If you miss all the arteries and organsGo look up what ballistics gel the size of torsos looks like after.
>>62901496lmao
>>62892442civilians in shithole countries (latam) do use body armor but it's more often pistol rated soft armor because that's what is most likely getting you killed in a civilian unrest/crime scenario.Plates are pure larp tho.
GLOWIES BEGON
>>62897328>the military (which will kill you without hesitation in a martial law scenario).i was in a genuine martian law scenario (chile 2019 riots) and the military let us patrol after demonstrating we were local home owners. they simply advised us to not open carry.
>>62892365why dont gun fags simply wear a shield
>>62901721You tell 'em Sir Phobos.https://youtu.be/ZQAmic9m50Y
>>62897328Exactly. Unless you're going to be indiscriminately killing your fellow citizens you're going to be in a situation similar to soldiers in an insurgency, where you can't tell who is a threat and are an immediate target. Except you will have none of the training an cohesion or back up of those soldiers. You will also, importantly, have no communications with erstwhile "allies," such that friendly fire becomes a dramatic risk. And if you are just mobbing up with random other people, you are going to be around poorly trained, undisciplined, and quite possibly drunk/high people at your back in tense situations.My basic thoughts on the whole Kyle Rittenhouse situation is that he is obviously innocent based on state law, but that the example shows that it *should* be some sort of crime to wander around a riot armed. This wouldn't make defending your own property illegal, or even coming to the aid of someone who asks you to help them defend property, but it would help stop people from randomly walking around looking for trouble, setting up random "checkpoints," and then ventilating small children in their parents car when civilians panic when random armed men start surrounding their car and stopping it because they don't know what they're doing (i.e., something that did happen in 2020).People self deploying to natural disasters often make things worse, and that's going to vastly more true in violent situations. Stuff like Cairo after the coup is full of examples of people "on the same side" getting into gun battles.>>62901721Right, but the police themselves don't really have a great idea of what is going to make the situation better. History is full of examples of security services making riots and domestic crises significantly worse.There is a difference between defending one's neighborhood, where one knows who lives there, and wandering around.
>>62892442Accurate for plates.>>62893765The vast majority of crime is commited with pistols so have some soft armor could be worth while if you work a cash register in Brazil or Detriot.
>>62893814>the entire second amendment is for regicide/tyrannicideThen it has failed, PRISM was a crime commited against the American people by a tyranical government and most have never heard of it.Turns out information and narrative control can disarm an armed population.
>>62901496Iraq war you stupid fucking retard
>>62901889bUt SaDdAm HaD wMdS aNd HaTeD uS fOr OuR fReEdOmS aNd ToTaLlY wAs GoInG tO fIrE mIsSiLeS aT fLoRiDa Or SoMeThInG
>>62899930>carrying his P320>clearly a Glockshit meme
>>62901496>He doesn't know
