>Russians are being sent in Lada Niva's to attackUh, wouldn't a BMP be a better option for this?
It honestly depends. Ukies often also prefer pickup trucks for light transport, instead of soviet shitboxes.
>>62894324all things aside, Lada Niva is a decent, robust 4x4, it's quite popular in Europe.
>>62894324Given the ways we've seen BMP, BMD and BTR's die horribly so far its mostly just how much you want to keep shrapnel out from near hits, because direct hits and mines are usually catastrophic
>>62894324Not for meat charges on wheels. They're trying to save combat vehicles at the expense of human life
>>62894346>Lada Niva is a decent, robust 4x4No, it's not
>>62894346>Lada Niva is a decent, robust 4x4lol>it's quite popular in Europelmao even
>>62894346It has okay off-road capabilities for how tiny its engine isThat's about it
>>62894346true its good offroader
>>62894346>>62894395dont think its exactly robust tho. maybe for 100k kms
>>62894324>>62894346>In 2002, the Lada Niva was awarded zero stars out of a possible four by the Russian ARCAP safety-assessment program. The reviewer noted the very rugged body of the car as the only positive aspect in terms of safety. During the safety test, the passenger dummy was hit by the glove compartment hard enough to risk traumatic brain injury.
>>62894401>hard enough to risk traumatic brain injury.Russians are born with a TBI so this isn't an issue to them.
>>62894324>wouldn't a BMP be a better optionWell... You see, Anon...
>>62894346>all things aside, Lada Niva is a decent, robust 4x4, it's quite popular in Europe.Replace Vatnik trashcan with "Suzuki Jimny" and you are correct.
heard you all talkin shit
>>62894342Source?
small arms ambushes aren't all that common.if a drone with a rpg hits you, it doesn't really matter if you're in a bmp or a car. speed is the most important thing.
>>62894537Now near misses also kill you instead of the armor protecting against shrapnel.
>What do you mean it's unarmored? Is like BMP, comrade.
>>62894542the drones are accurate enough to hit you directly, and the steel creates more spall. there's positives and negatives to both.a smaller car is faster and harder to see, but as you said, less splinter protection. i'd rather a car at night if it's me.
>>62894346stfu zigger faggot, nobody gives a shit about your crappy 3rd world tier soviet vehicles
>>62894529Ngl the paintjob is great but what a shitty car
>>62894530Check the videos of operations, check the locals doing fundraisers to buy pickup trucks. A small, light and maneuverable (compared to a BTR) transport is a godsend. It's also expendable, it's less of an issue if you lose a pickup truck, versus losing a BTR. In many ways hundreds of those Humvees that US sent helped a lot.
>>62894529he's a gay ass retard btw
>>62894530he made it the fuck up
>>62894578Rude.He's an autistic murderer retard.
>>62894519Dropping your FAS baby is cheaper than an abortion and if he dies, he dies
>>62894537Yeah after watching half of Russian vehicles in Kursk blowing up on mines I'm not sure about that chief
>>62894342>light transportA very different mission profile to: >assault spearhead
>>62894576>Check the videos of operations, check the locals doing fundraisers to buy pickup trucks.Hmmm...I wonder why they are fundraising for pickup trucks and not armored vehicles you can't just buy in any car shop.Vehicles behind lines can be thin skinned but anywhere close to front should be at least MRAP. If you're doing rotations in pickup trucks something is wrong
>>62894682>Russian soldiers have to pay for their own vehicles>can't buy decent vehicles even if they somehow got the money together because the Russian civilian market only has shitboxesTwo more weeks to Kiev
>>62894797they are third world that much was known. what wasn't known is that the 2nd power in the world will use the same tactics in the 1000'th day of the 3 day special operation
>>62894797Ukraine didn't claim to be superpower and second army in the world
>>62894797Care to share the video?
>>62894324The Russian civvie market has been producing nothing but borked and half-dead vehicles this year, so as long as they are new cars and not pre-war models, you could technically say these are only worth like 0.5 points on the stats compared to the 1 you get from a BMP.Master Skaven player strats, that is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhf9LoQSCQc
>>62894825You laugh but they are clearly using the same high tech stealth screws as the SU-57.
>>62894811It's a shoop. Look at the pixels
>>62894346>t. Never seen a NivaTry not believing Russky propaganda, all Russian cars, including and eapecially the Niva require extremely extensive maintenance to function. I'm talking about 3-4 hours every weekend. When you buy a new one the first thing you do is take it to your local mechanic to make it roadworthy. Change the sealings, apply anti-corrosion paint where it's needed, etc. Maintaining a Russian car is almost a full time job, that's why you always carry half of your garage in the trunk anywhere you go as they can break down at the drop of a hat. The reason why people can live with them is that they haven't changed since the 70s, so everyone knows how to fix them, they learned from their grandparents. They are also extremely simple, so only a few things can break, but they WILL break.
>>62894842get your eyes checked, retard. those are clearly decoy soldiers
>>62894346>quite popular in Europewhat I've never seen a lada since the 1990s perhaps, stop lying
>>62894544Is his dick on fire?
>>62894797This is Russian mlrs
>>62894797Russia is also using those. What matters is does it have a decent FCS or not.Vehicles behind the lines need less protection generally so it's less pathetic.Also, generally the Ukrainian ones do have decent FCS. The videos showing them show very precise correctional fire.
>>62894833>CheckedTo be fair to the designers though, they are contributing to TZD by having the exhaust pump right back into the cabin...
>>62894905...from the engine which doubles nicely as an arm rest for the driver and front passenger, with the fuel tank conveniently placed right under the drivers seat for the maximum BMP experience on an unreasonable budget of a million of your finest Russian Roubles ($9960.08).
>>62894933>>62894905Wait what the fuck?
>>62894797da, now this is superpower tier
>>62894933>>62894905This cannot be real.
>>62894346True, it's a vast improvement over the other cars people in Europe usually drive, like pic related
>>62894990Most European people drive stolen Mercedes or BMW. The rest of us buy and insure them.
>>62894811They wont because there isn't one.
>>62894537But the Lada's engine is gutless. It may get you there, but it ain't getting there fast.
>>62894933>>62894905Jesus fucking christ, ive seen rickshaws do better
>>62894811It's a photoshop of an old photo from around the end of 2022 - start of 2023 that got shown in the mainstream media which still crops up occasionally.They've graduated to 2005 levels of image manipulation after spending the last year and a half using MS paint to edit images in Microsoft Movie Maker.
>>62895015Aren't rickshaws either pulled by a person or electric? So fucking duh, they don't have an exhaust
>>62895015your tuk tuk awaits!
>>62894953>>62894978The best thing about this, which you can see in the full video I posted here >>62894825 is that this is a brand new car, straight from the store, with plastic covers on all of the seats still. I guess they expect you to install your own exhaust pipes on your 1-1.5 million Rouble van (Average yearly Russian salary as of 2023 for normal everyday jobs is 852,000 by the way).https://www.timechamp.io/blogs/the-average-salary-in-russia-and-salary-comparisons/
>>62894346The Niva and all Russian Automobiles are fucking garbage. Who has been lying to you and why have you been believing it?
>>62894825>>62894833I know Russian domestic car manufacturing is total rubbish but this is honestly sad. Imagine being surpassed by fucking China and India while you have so much resources but instead create a mafia oligarch society which robs your entire country’s future until oblivion.
>>62894905I think that's the heater
>>62894530>>62894580(NTA)https://youtu.be/2xSi6rO0Wfo?t=1395
Chukudu meat waves when?
>>62895077You might be right, but from how it's all laid out, it still appears to be taking some sort of waste product from the engine and sending it into the cab. It could be run off heat, but the pipes are so open that it's more likely to fart hot air onto your lap than create any significant sort of airflow.
>>62895126That's one chonky boi.Is it for multiple people?It looks like it's too big and clunky to work well with just one.
>>62895141It's a very specific African "scooter" for heavy loads, you can youtube it, it's actually nifty, some locals use it to transfer tons of their produce in order to sell it in the city.
>>62894346Our family had a Niva in the turn of the millenia and while it was fun as fuck to young anon and it did go to places where you arent supposed to go like a good offroader it was by no means a good car and father eventually sold it.I dont remember it breaking as much as the other anons are saying, im personally thinking whether I should get Niva or UAZ as a project car somedays.
>>62894346No it isn't.Russian cars aren't even sold in most European countries because of how bad they are.
>>62895002most europeans use public transport instead of owning any car at all.
>>62895169That's not true either.
>>62894529
>>62894346>Popularlolno. I know of one dealer in my entire country, and even around that one I haven't seen a singular Lada on the road.
>>62895169Only if you live in the capital city or one of the larger, more metropolitan ones. They're the only places where winter isn't an issue or have access to public transport that arrives more than four times a day at some vague time in the most inconvenient place in your area.
>>62895126>>62895147Just watched a video, that looks fun as fuck. I honestly sometimes get very jelly of Africans. You just lie around, fuck your tribe provided wife, do a little light subsistence farming if you wanna get free gibes from Western NGOs if you don't, chill with the boys and do whatever. No rules or regulations. Oh and the continent was flooded with some extremely tasty milsurp after ww2 so it's still possible to find tribesman rolling around with Stg.44s and MP40s
>>62894346LOL noMy coworker has one and it came with rust fresh from the factory. Since then it's only been getting worse. He's dreading the road worthiness check every two years and the car consists of like 25% welds after <10 years.
>>62895169>mostYou've never been to yurop
>>62895169That's just wrong. Many of us use public transport when inside cities but you overestimate it, as many of us also own cars besides that but just don't take them to work, and virtually nobody takes a car to the shop.Public transport between cities is hit or miss. If you can get five more friends and occupy an entire train cabin, this is just a heavenly way to travel. Luggage in the above compartment, music on, in my country beer on as well. Drunk traveling with friends > car. But said friends also have cars, the two are not mutually exclusive.
>>62894324Well, of course, but it won't matter much longer.
>>62895169The main reason to use public transport in Western Europe is that there's so many fucking cars you risk not having a parking spot on your destination and then losing your parking spot in front of your home when you return.
>>62895169Do you just make shit up randomly and then spout it out the instant the thought comes to your mind?
>>62894346>all things aside, Lada Niva is a decent, robust 4x4, it's quite popular in Europe.that's an odd choice for a russian troll farm messaging campaign but here we are.
>>62895657Where...where do you think you are?
>>62894558I do
>>62894346>, it's quite popular in EuropePretty sure it's not possible to sell them in a lot of places in Europe due to how unsafe they are.
>>62895657
>>62895077Watch out as they call you a zigger spreading propaganda for pointing out the obvious
>>62895020I'm sure you have an archived post or an article from that period to back up those claims. Would you mind posting it?
>>62894324This brainrot is beyond tiresome >ITS BEING SENT TO ATTACKIs it? >wouldn't a BMP be a better option for this?Depends.You dudes and vatnigs are two sides to the same retarded coin.
>>62896208Subtle
>>62896215>SubtleNo. Not subtle. You "people" are a bunch of mindless retards whom are merely the European or Western clone of the street-level vatnig or street-shitting pajeet.
>>62896208It's too small to be a medivac, it has a huge amount of equipment in the back and space for 2 in front, with what appears to be a radar jamming array on the roof.It might not be used "in an attack" in the sense that it is the farthest most forward vehicle charging towards enemy lines, but it is operating at the front lines, on the zero line of combat.Is bringing a truck the last 5 km to a fighting position with weapons, ammo and fresh meat not engaging in an aggressive, "attack" like operation? The lines aren't defensive.
>>62896208Reminds me of a video of a supposed meat wave assault that was just a dozen soldiers strolling across a field. No explosions, no actual combat, they were literally walkingZigger shills may be retarded but ukroshills are on a whole other level
>>62896231>no U are jeetSubtle
>>62896244Im not interested in your sophistry. >But what does "to attack" truly mean? Attack means to attack. Running around doing logi shit or rotating staff or trying (and failing) to do EW is not "being sent to attack". Both sides make extensive use of light soft-skinned vehicles to do that sort of thing. Because it fucking works. They are faster, more agile, have a smaller logistical footprint, easier to replace and (most importantly) have a smaller signature and are significantly lower on the list of priorities. A bmp is going to draw in every FPV loitering over the rear, yet another pickup (among dozens of others running around) will at best be the victim of an opportunistic attack.
>>62896267>>no U are jeet>SubtleYou're the one making the "no U jeet" argument.
>>62894346lolPeople that unironically show up with them to offroad events get laughed at, (which is impressive, offroad people are some of the most friendly and tolerant people i ever met) the 4x4 system is somewhat reliable, but the engine just isn't made for offroading, you need to rev them like crazy to get any torque out of them and the gear spacing is far from good.
>>62895169
>>62896273Bitch that ain't sophistry it's pedantry, if you say it's used for an attack, but it was really used to transport troops to a front line position to mount an attack, then it was used for an attack.It's funny that you use the word sophistry to decry someone giving a reasonable explanation to a lexical ambiguation, extending an olive branch and giving the benefit of the doubt, to instead impose a rigid framework on language.Language changes, small sentences are used to explain big ideas, and saying "the Russians use Lada Nivas to attack" is a lot simpler and easier to understand than "the Russians use Lada Nivas to support front-line combat operations"
>>62896283Yes that is the alternate reality you dreamed up lmao
>>62896319>Batman
>>62896339I'm just amazed he didn't say "that Lada has no weapons so it couldn't have been used in an attack"
>>62896319its neat how car ownership is divergent. in wealthy urbanized regions, car ownership is somewhat negatively proportional to wealth, but in poorer urbanized regions it's positively proportional to wealth.
>>62896339>if you say its used for an attack>but its expressly not used for an attack>its used for an attack Stop. >and saying "the Russians use Lada Nivas to attack" is a lot simpler and easier to understand than "the Russians use Lada Nivas to support front-line combat operations"If your goal is conflate second-line duties with first-line duties, then you would cluster both under "attack". If your goal is to use language accurately, you would not. But your goal is not the latter, its the former - because you're here to push propaganda.
>>62894324Better than a golf cart. Be careful NATO, Russia Is once again advancing up the tech tree.
>>62896419Honestly? It's a tough call whether I would wanna be in a Lada or a chink golf cartI would only take the Lada because it's more protected from the winter temperatures, and it's more likely to break down which means I won't make it to the killzone
>>62896404Let me ask you something; what is the more important part of the equation, where on the battlespace the Lada Nivas are, or the fact that there are Lada Nivas on the battlefield in the fucking first place?The headline isn't "Russians attack" it's "Russians use Lada Nivas". To put it into context, I as a singular person with a single salary, could outfit an assault group with Lada Nivas. I do not claim to be the second largest military in the world, nor am I forced to drive around in a Lada fucking Niva, I drive an actual car. Why am I better outfitted to perform an assault than the second best army in the world?And stop fucking kidding yourself that these aren't used in assaults, we've seen it hundreds of times.
>>62896403In the early 20th century, the rich owned cars while the poor owned horses, now the poor own cars while the rich own horses.(yes I know it's not fully accurate but it fits here so fuck you)
>>62896493>And stop fucking kidding yourself that these aren't used in assaults, we've seen it hundreds of times.And by "it" I mean "soft-skinned civilian vehicles.
>>62896493>what is the more important part of the equation, where on the battlespace the Lada Nivas are, or the fact that there are Lada Nivas on the battlefield in the fucking first place?see >>62896273>The headline isn't "Russians attack" it's "Russians use Lada Nivas".No, its >Russians are being sent in Lada Niva's to attack >>62894324>And stop fucking kidding yourself that these aren't used in assaultsYou just said they aren't assaults?
>>62896506>itsCan we PLEASE use language accurately?
>>62894890the traversing mechanism is a sledgehammer and the elevating mechanism is a shovel.
>>62896509>Can we PLEASE use language accurately?no, youre not worth the effort
>>62896509>reeeeeee no apostrophe!Fucking autistic esl lmao
>>62894890That's a Ukrainian channel watermark though
>>62896506I can say whatever I want, because I'm talking about the general phenomenon of civilian light skinned vehicles being used by the Russian military in combat operations, up to and including assaulting positions directly from the soft skinned vehicles.What I did was look at the situation from every angle, and the truth is that yes, it is a propagandistic move to talk about the soft-skinned Lada Nivas being used to attack, in the sense that by spreading the truth of Lada Nivas being used in frontline combat operations by the Russian military is indicative of an overall degradation of their capabilities.
>>62895126I actually think that looks pretty based. Imagine tooling around Burning Man on that thing.
>>62896545>>62896506So, again, we're saying "Russian combat capabilities have degraded to the point where they are forced to use Lada Nivas to attack", and your cope is "they're not attacking".Well okay, dumbass, let's say they aren't used to attack, the Lada Nivas being used in combat operations is indicative of the overall degradation in capabilities of the Russian military.It is pathetic, no matter how desperate you are to win a semantic battle over a 4chan post.
>>62896565Then again, I'm a sucker for eccentric transport.
>>62896567>its cope, it must be cope, he MUST be as invested in this war as I am Wrong. >we're saying "Russian combat capabilities have degraded to the point where they are forced to use Lada Nivas to attack"Which is wrong. >and your cope is "they're not attacking".Yes.>the Lada Nivas being used in combat operations is indicative of the overall degradation in capabilities of the Russian military.Or, they do it because its far more effective than using shitboxes for the same role. Like, I'm not interested in this weird ego fight. >"Russia is shit!"Yeah, been saying that for about 20 years.
>>62896545>Russian military is indicative of an overall degradation of their capabilities.or >Both sides make extensive use of light soft-skinned vehicles to do that sort of thing. Because it fucking works. They are faster, more agile, have a smaller logistical footprint, easier to replace and (most importantly) have a smaller signature and are significantly lower on the list of priorities. A bmp is going to draw in every FPV loitering over the rear, yet another pickup (among dozens of others running around) will at best be the victim of an opportunistic attack.If I am in a support tasking, for either side, and I get the choice between doing my job in either a FAT and SLOW shitbox or a FAST and DISCREET pickup, im choosing the pickup.
>>62896608Have you forgotten about this incident?They have been using soft-skin vehicles on assaults since fucking Mariupol, retard.
>>62896248>samefagging againSubtle
>>62896633>during a period of relative mobility, weird things happened Okay, and?
>>62894324
>>62896656And it kept happening again and again and again for the entire war afterwards. Seethe more about it, jeet.
>>62894324at least it's a 4x4
>>62896633To be fair, these guys were DPR cannon fodder
>>62896667>Seethe more about it, jeet.Omg, post guns.
>>62896678>To be fair, these guys were DPR cannon fodderYou're not going to have any sort of intelligent discussion with that retard. He's our version of a vatnik. A permaonline loser who has nothing going on irl so this war has become part of his personality.
>>62896665There's one important thing that makes this different than a Lada: it's fucking sick as hell
I cant wait in 70 years when this war is glorified by future russian propaganda, will there be a war movie looks up from the trench as hes being shelled and whispers to the camera "Nashyy..!"And it just shows 50 of these coming over the hill kek
>>62896676>a fucking peugeotKEK. NATOsisters, is that the best we can do? >>62896798It absolutely is, but does it matter when it runs over a mine or when a drone flies into the cockpit?
>>62894529>retard car for retard trad larperschecks out lmao
>>62896846>does it matter when (chink electric golf csrt number 69420) hits a mine?
>>62896833*war movie where the main character looks up from the trench
>>62896665Don't step on the sand, it makes the antlions crazy.
>>62894905There's no way..
>>62894905>>62896215He is right. You fucking war tourists are the most gullible retards.
>>62897581Did you really need a google AI to tell you exhaust fumes kill you
>>62897586Did you seethe overnight or did your shift just start?
>>62894619at least give him /k/redit for using weapons to kill communists unlike 99.9% of this board.
>>62896846Hey, Ukraine never bragged about video related.
>>62894346What's its max payload? Are Russians going to swallow the technical pill?
>>62894933People clown on this, but that configuration is actually fucking based when done right (by the Japanese).
>>62897774
>>62896874is that a NOD buggy?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_1bKBitnKg
>>62896565>Imagine tooling around Burning Man on that thing.back to redd!t with you.
>>62898041It still makes you seethe.
>>62894324Actually that's a LN-84M.
>>62898041Give me another (you) :v
>>62898538>seetheThere's that kid word again.
>>62898682Protip: When you're getting mad at posts on an anonymous imageboard, don't tell that poster exactly which words and phrases make you mad, it's gonna backfire
>russian shitskins severely mindbroken by people simply posting the phrase "3 day war"
They do it to themselves
ziggers got mogged by a snail
>>62896565>Burning Manwhat a fag
>>62894576>t-t-the holhols are doing it too!!!1!!The Ukies never claimed to be the second military...of the world.
>>62899890It's a carnival but with drugs and sluts
>>62896565we have burning man at home
>>62898639>that QUALITY graphicsSomewhere in hell Goebbels is banging his head on the wall about this low level propaganda.
>>62898639>nato can't defend the baltic states because one of their presidents is assassinatedit's so mind boggling stupid
>>62898639The one thing they got right was how slimy Scholz really was.
>>62894990That one was the high-runner amongst cars in a communist controlled country, go figure
>>62896404For fucks sake man, go back to having a melt down in the Storm Shadow thread. This was a cosy thread about cars until you kicked down the door and started projectile vomiting everywhere.
>>62898682Literally seething at the word seethe.
>>62900407many such cases
>>62894346Kys russian
