How would the US military handle losing this amount of equipment?
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>>62894392Equipment is one thing but this many human losses in an offensive war would bring America to its knees just like Vietnam did.
>>62894439this, Russia viewing its citizens as flesh automatons just makes it keep going until the bitter end
>>62894392US has a casualty tolerance that decreases in proportion to media exposureIt was 30K for Vietnam and as communication technology improved it reduced to about 5K for IraqThe threshold is probably at about 2K dead now
new Holhol numbers which I believe are accurate. I hear that they count mortars as artillery though.
>>62894468>2K deadhow the fuck is the US going to fight China with such a low tolerance of casualty? is one carrier getting hit enough to make American citizens go full pussies or something?
>>62894392Like that time they lost 10k planes in Vietnam
>>62894478China is a peer power and seen as a genuine threat. The US has a low casualty tolerance in offensive wars waged for vague economic or geopolitical reasons. A war against a near peer that's a clear threat would go over better with the public.
>>62894468>30kTry 58. Plus 300k wounded, maimed and amputated.
>>62894487Sort of, but in this scenario the US doesn't have the capacity to replenish losses with new builds.
>>62894392The good news is that the manufacturering jobs and reindustrialisation required to replenish US stocks after such a loss would be great for the economy.
>>62894472>uncertain tone>questioning validity>still using word only vatniks usethinly veiled, but appreciate the effort to try to undermine it. C+ for effort
>>62894478USA has zero stomach for proper wars, but will support Taiwan. USA will blockaide China's seas and support Taiwan. The "war" will just be China starving until they back down. Unless the Chinese navy is sucidal enough to make a sucide charge towards the blockaide. In that case they die.
>>62894511"Just blockade"By the realistic time frame of it happening, America only has a numerical naval advantage if it pulls every naval asset worldwide and shoves it into the APAC region. Then over the long period, America would need to 10-20x it's shipbuilding capacity to match china. So it's not "just"
>>62894517>USA just sorta solos it.Their allies Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Philippines, would all be assisting.
>>62894518The rest of them put together has less than half the tonnage of a single carrier group. And if the US who is a superpower is already so shaky towards direct intervention, why would small countries be so supportive to commit direct military assets?
>>62894522Because if Taiwan falls they're next. China would need to be contained at some point. You can't normalize land-grabs like it's 1829.
>>62894526You're assuming china poses an existential threat to every neighbor and they all are willing to fight tooth and claw to contain it. It's quite insane geopolitically to think China is going to invade Japan
>>62894451>>Citizens.
>>62894511>USA has zero stomach for proper warsanon thats literally the one thing its REALLY good at are you fucking stupid?
>>62894610>It's quite insane geopolitically to think China is going to invade Japanyou could have said the same thing for Ukraine, but here we are.
>>62894392The US had like what, 1/5th of these human losses in Vietnam, and the public outcry got so loud that no politician could justify remaining at war. Why isn't there a similar outcry in Russia? Do none of these soldiers have families?
>>62894634>Why isn't there a similar outcry in Russia?Unironic serf mindset and culture wide apathy
>>62894634Russians aren't really human like you or I, anon.
>>62894634A lot of them genuinely believe they're fighting all of NATO and if they pull back from Ukraine this massive NATO army will follow them all the way to Moscow.
>>62894634people that speak up tend to die mysteriously in gulags or fall out of windows...>not my problemis only working survival strategy in Russia for generations...
>>62894610>You're assuming china poses an existential threat to every neighborthis is exactly what their slopaganda has been rambling on about for years upon years since emperor pooh bear ascended to the throne. and yes among that anti-nipp hatred gets a special place massaging the populace for a war with japan some nipp school kids in chinkistan just recently got stabbed because of it
>>62894392They won't miss just one MLRS. And just one gunship and one APC. And just a small handful of flak guns and howitzers. That's pretty much the bulk of my dream arsenal. I believe I'm owed this from my government. It means a lot to me and I deserve and am entitled to the restitution for all I've done and put up with. And like I said they got lots so I need it more than they do.It's not just me, right? They're American weapons. I'm American.
>>62894634>Do none of these soldiers have families?they do and are currently throwing parties because of all the mountains of ladas and cheetos bags they got for their dead relatives
>>62894468It isn't that simple.Casualty tolerance is heavily dependent on how useful/necessary the population considers the war instead of simple media exposure.If you can convince the public that china is an actual threat to america and the people's lifestyle they can stomach way higher casualties.
>>62894439Vietnam didn't bring the US to its knees.
>>62894487Is a helicopter a plane?
>>62894392Wouldn't make a fuckin' DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT
>>62894478>>62895628>china v burgerstanThe American public will weep 120dB bitch tears over every stubbed toe until China makes it to Hawaii or Alaska, American soil, and then all bets are off and we slap the Krauts and assortment of nog fiefdoms in Darkest Africa awake and tell them to take notes while we show the world how a proper genocide is conducted.
>>62894478> how the fuck is the US going to fight China It ain’t.America first.Taiwan ain’t our problem.
>>62894785The ladas are being used on the battlefield now.
>>62895855>t. John Yang-Chongovich of Hamburger Oblast
>>62895855>chinks acturry bereive dis
>>62894518Philippines maybe but they have no navy to speak of. Gooks and Nips won’t do shit. Look at Soutn Korea's chicken shit tier reaction to North Korea openly sending troops to help Russia. This is the level of support the US can expect from South Korea in case of a conflict with China. Japan doesn’t give a shit about anyone but themselves either.
>>62894478Here's the funny thing about the USA. If you attack them, the population will call for blood and won't stop until they're satisfied. When will they be satisfied? Who knows.
>>62895907That’s old USA. At this point the chinkoids could nuke New York or San Francisco and half the country would argue it’s a good thing.
>>62895907The CCP can tell America “China is the better option” and a third of the country will just say “yeah I guess it is” and the war would end. Reality of the war both navies sink each other and they kind of stare at each other confused then both sides pretend they won the “war”.
>>62895924Yeah that was the thought in 1939
>>62895943Roosevelt won 38 out of 48 states in 1940. The US was a united country back then.
>>62895963Theres a difference between politics and pearl harbor moments, its how W drug us to the sandbox for 20 years. China kicking off a pearl harbor moment would end china.
>>62895998The US is Japan. A large and mighty navy that can’t afford to lose anything already fighting a never ending land war (not to the same extent as the Sino Japanese war but still) that has (by an admittedly large stretch) already Pearl Harbored China in their political dominion over Taiwan. China should name their cargo freighters they can shit out daily “Liberty Ships”. Now here in this thread we’re all saying “China would fold immediately their little emperors don’t have a heart for a fight”. Not saying “China numba 1!”. Just saying América needs to look in the mirror
>>62894439>offensive warYeah, the people would remind the government that the second amendment is to allow the people to kill the government.As for a defensive war it would depend a lot on who was invading and how they treated the population. If the nordics invaded and started increasing corporate tax rates for socialized healthcare a lot of people would be cool with it but if China invades and offers a bowl of rice a day for working in the acid mines the resistance would never end.
>>62894610Imperial ambitions are to be satisfied at the same time:China > Taiwan JapanRussia> Poland BalticsIran > Israel destruction After Trump delivers Ukraine to Russia
>>62895924>At this point the chinkoids could nuke New York or San Francisco and half the country would argue it’s a good thing.Argue?
>>62896269Sorry forgot > Norks SK
>>62896269>After Trump delivers Ukraine to Russia
>>62896295It may take a while but without weapons Ukraine can only stop Russia for maybe 6 months. Germany promises but don’t deliver, and UK and France have not the stocks themselves. So yes Trump will deliver Ukraine to Russia
>>62896351Just ending US aid woudn't do it, he would also have to stop selling US weapons to EU countries that give them to Ukraine.He claims to only care about profit so it's unlikely he would turn down business.
>>62896351Ukraine produced 2.5 million shells this year and are probably going to up that number again next year. Even if trump cut aid, ukes have momentum while russia is burning more and more. Hence the motorbike meatwaves
>>62896412>Ukraine produced 2.5 million shells this yearsource?
>>62895751moving goalposts?
>>62894622Sometimes I am. Sorry.
>>62896912Not at all. Just try using the proper English term of aircraft rather than plane when describing, you know, aircraft. But since you insist on everything being a match of challenge pissing yes most of the aircraft lost in Vietnam were helicopters. Much like most of what Russia has lost in Ukraine being armored vehicles and China basically lost nothing in Korea because they only had soldiers and as well all know bugs aren't people and Communists aren't people so they really didn't matter.
>>62894439The US suffered 1.5 million dead or wounded during wwii, and were expecting to lose another half a million during a Japanese invasion. If the objectives are clear and seem doable the US has been willing to take it on the xhin
>>62896402Exactly. The Lockheed Martin, Northrop, Boeing, BAE CEOs will go kowtow to Trump and there will be no limits on their proxy sales
>>62894392The goal of the army is to give public money to contractors. They don't even try to win wars.
>>62894392>3500 tanksI doubt it.
>>62894497It was over the population tolerance for about 3-4 years
>>62894517>>62894522>>62894610>>62894634China is shit at war, that's all there is need to be known and said, and they know it, hence the need to falsify data and pay poor fags trying to avoid the mobile phone assembly line to post this sort of shit over here.Next question.
>>62895855Check where the transistors of your phone were made, although considering the prices hikes if Taiwan chip industry blows up it would mean a lot less of turdies such as you being around so that makes your proposition tempting.
>>62894634>Muh Vietnam.This is it. This is THE reason why the American political/expert class has been handling this war like the braindead imbeciles with McDonald's drive-thru education they are.This war isn't Vietnam (an arbitrary war of choice in some distant overseas land) from the Russian point of view, it's literally WW3 where the price of losing is Russia disappearing as a concept.That's why anyone who ever uses terms like "escalation," or "unsustainable losses," or "cost" in regard to the whole affair is mouthbreathing fucking cretin.There is no fucking escalation, Russia is already throwing 100% of what they're physically able to throw. If they're not using nukes already, it's because they will never fucking use nukes, because they can't for whatever reason.There is no fucking sustainability, you "sustain" an existential war until you win or stop existing.The entire strategy of feeding Ukraine crumbs hoping to keep it from losing long enough until Russia gets bored and goes home, while avoiding "escalation" lest Russian gloves will come off was conceived by mental six-year-olds who have zero understanding of how the world actually works.
>>62895924>most liberals die in nuclear fire>US now has an excuse to kill all the bugsDo it, do it you little cunt shit faggot.
>>62894522Japan controls island chains which basically cut off half of China's coastline (and host US bases on them alongside their own), there's a reason why the Chinese get especially jittery over the Japs even when the JMSDF isn't necessarily enormous
>>62897027saar, please understand english is hard saar
>>62896036That was the same shitty line of thought Russia had back in 2022 when they thought they could freeze Europe because "muh West can't handle sudden political shift".Some months later Germany got the infrstructure to replace russian oil running.You see Chang, the problem with you is you think we do things slow or let a third party take care about it because da joos and trons and nogs, you consume /pol/ like is refined knowledge when in truth is the mental equivalent of shit out of a poorfag with diarrhea.What you are going to get is a very horrible surprise on what happens when people better than you decide you are an existential threat, not some retard containment war at Vietnam or Afghanistan, and go ballistic on you.
>>62894392It would stop a self destructive and pointless war. Short term, it would bring stuff out of storage like Russia has. Long term it would ramp production back up, at any cost. Get rid of NEPA and most environmental considerations and there is nothing stopping us from bringing industry back up to speed. It won't be as fast as WWII since we have fewer production lines operational and modern military equipment is much more specialized.>>62894468casualty tolerance is proportional to how much skin we *actually* have in the game. Like there was obviously far, far less at stake for US interest in Korea, Nam and the sand wars than there was in WWII. Great power competition with China probably comes with a higher casualty tolerance than some dust up with a literal who country. Especially if China strikes first with a surprise attack like Japan did, which is the most likely way that war starts. Chinese blockade of Taiwan with a preemptive strike against US bases in Japan and Korea.Our forces in Asia/Eastern Europe are tripwires. The understanding is those guys get killed and it becomes much harder for the US to not respond. Whether that's escalation with disproportionate force, or a tit for tat like we did with Iran is up in the air.
>>62897302>JMSDF isn't enormousI would argue it's probably the third most powerful navy in the world at this point because Russia's navy is a total joke despite its tonnage/ship count advantage. About half the tonnage of China for a country with about 1/10th of China's population. But yeah. the central issue for China is their entire economy is based on importing food/fuel over the seas paid for with manufactured goods exported over the seas in a world where the USA has almost as much naval tonnage as the rest of the world combined, including China AFTER its 'massive' naval buildup. So the entire 40 years of progress they made is 100% because the USA allowed it and the USA is getting tired of it. They can't win an arms race in tonnage so the best they can hope to do is build tons of subs/AShBMs and hope that they can at least secure some level of area denial in the South China and Yellow Sea.
>>62894392I don't know pretty well considering they didn't give a fuck about leaving a ton of it to the taliban recently thanks hope you enjoy it in good health mr taliban man the u.s. didn't need those hummers or machine guns grenades nods thermals helicopters apcs and shit anymore no big deal we needed new ones anyways right, is probably what's they'd day if they lost that list whew thanks we needed to make room for new stuff woo hoo
>>62896351You left out the part where he makes both sides an offer they can't refuse... because if either does, then he cuts them off (Ukraine) or opens the floodgates (Russia). He's very unlikely to give Russia anything they don't already have, except Kursk... so the question is, what will he demand from them, if anything, beyond a cease-fire? And will peacekeepers (but probably not Americans) be involved, in order to discourage future adventurism?Of course, the first thing he can do is open up domestic energy production and encourage speculators to crash oil prices, and to put pressure upon international CNC firms to pull software support from the machinery that makes all of Russia's airframes and missile bodies. That would set a solid precedent. We'll see what happens in a couple of months.
>>62897478Who's second, British?
