Is sabotaging communication lines an act of war?
yeah
>>62895232>>62895240OP, dont you know you insulted the freerings of da chrinese preople?
>>62895276chinks aren't a race they are a nationality xister
>>62895232It could be used as justification but the west won't even go to war with Russia let alone China.We'll probably "freedom of movement" though the South China Sea and might accidentally drag an anchor over some cables on the way.
>>62895281The C-word is a racial slur. Google it if you don't believe me.
>>62895232>Russian shenanigans in the Baltic sea>can't ban them from the Suez canal because this time because Russia is invading by landFUCK FUCK
>derailing thread with "racist" bullshitYep, russians did it.
>>62895290As a member of the sick cunt race I'm fine with anyone using it.
>>62895290I just didn't Google it and I determined it's not a slurSource: me
>>62895317Yes, they infest this board and post non-stop bigotry
>>62895298No shit.Where's the boat now I wonder.
>>62895321Riiiight. Keep up the good fight I guess?
>>62895332OK but chink isn't racist because Chicoms are a nationality not a race
>>62895327>trying to downplay the non-stop Russian shitflinging that infests this boardYou do not have Western values.
>>62895336Google that word and you'll see it's classified as a racial slur.
>>62895341Yes you are so virtuous posting on 4chan, the sweaty ass crack of the Internet. lmao
>>62895350>isn't willing to fight and die for Western valuesFound the neverserved
>>62895349That is impossible because the Chinese are a nationality not a race.
>>62895355>denying reality and insisting your delusions are the truthtake your meds, schizo
>>62895354You're right, I have never fought for Israel or big oil. Wanna make out or what?
Too bad Eurocucks will do nothing about it
>>62895332>constant combat footage on a blue boardNo one respects the rules and they shouldn't the fact the weapons is a blue board is fucking retarded because technically we can't post the effects of weapons.
>>62895359Racism is a term coined by mass murdering Jewish Bolshevik Leon Trotsky (real name Lev Davidovich Bronstein)You cannot be "racist" against a nationality.
>>62895360>literally repeating Russian talking points>mub Israel>muh oilYou're so fucking brainwashed >>62895362I love and trust the moderators and janitors.
>>62895370>waaahahhhhhaahahah EVERYONE I DISAGREE WITH IS RUSSIAN WAHHHHHRussia is a gay shithole.
>>62895366The Bolsheviks murdered more Russians than any other group in history and killed Nazis too. Both are based actions.
>>62895388Kamala lost. Cope
>>62895370>I love and trust the moderators and janitors.Instantly bowing before anyone in any position of authority gives you away chang.
>>62895388>lets George Clooney pick retarded diversity hire as Presidential nominee>loses>it's Russia's fault!!!!!
>>62895393>implying the Chinese aren't racist Western culture is superior than all others because we are kind, humble, and moral.
>>62895361Now kill them and sink it
>>62895404>Everyone I disagree with is RussianFags never change.
>Chinese ship>Russian captainThey should have hired a Philippino one or something like that, this shit was too obvious
>>62895408see >>62895388
>>62895407What do you mean? There was a tragic accident that claimed the lives of all but one crewman who in his despair crushed his own skull with a hammer.Very tragic.
>>62895423I think that's what happened on the USS Liberty
>"Ship suspected of damaging comms cables x 2 in Baltic Sea has been detained by Danish Navy," posted OSINT account auonsson on Bluesky, which tracks vessels in the Baltic. The post said that it was "anchored just outside Danish territory with patrol/dive Y311 SØLØVEN vessel guarding her."Realistically, what can the Danes do about this other than detain it?
>>62895412Kamala lostDon't let George Clooney pick your candidate next time xisterDon't bother replying
>>62895436Ask their betters (America) to deal with the problem like we always do. Europe wouldn't even exist in 2024 if it weren't for us; they'd all be speaking chinkese
>>62895431>WHADDABOUT DA JOOOOOSOk polestinian
>>62895440>supporting Putin's puppetokay vatnik
>>62895448This. Anyone who doesn't support Israel is an anti-American vatnik.
>>62895388>everyone I don't like is russia!you have no idea how much of a joke you are, I can barely even shitpost about guns on this board anymore because of all you retards, your rhetoric and cause are getting us ever closer to world war three and as both sides in this conflict have seen, war isn't about valiant charges or acts of heroism, it's about getting shelled and droned and maybe moving to the area last held by the opposition that you just shelled and droned, even tanks are becoming obsolete from all of this, and now you are trying to make it even shittier by trying to escalate to nuclear exchangefuck you, you coward most likely being paid to pursue a cataclysmic war for all of the west, why? why the fuck is escalating a war a good thing? for the people of ukraine? they have been decimated by your designs, you have sacrificed them and now you pretend to be their ally? you are a sick disingenuous fuck. cheering on death for the sake of death and championing the suffering of others as a good thing. such a sick and twisted cause.
>>62895436They could charge the crew with espionage, other than that they could seize Russian or Chinese assets to the value of the cable.They could also go the glowie route and do some fishing of their own.
>>62895451Wow you mean the midget of Muscovy is so powerful he controls the US? I guess Russia is strong after all!
>>62895463Sorry your ship got captured, Ivan, but you and your Chinese friends can't go around sabotaging communication infrastructure.>>62895467He controls Trump, but the good men and women who make up the government won't allow Trump to control America.
>>62895464>They could also go the glowie route and do some fishing of their own.Does the EU/NATO actually ever do this or is it all completely hush-hush? You never ever hear about anything like it
>>62895478american, post guns
>>62895486France gets into trouble every so often.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior
>>62895487I'm Polish
>>62895491that whole OP was hilariously clownish
>people falling for the obvious "racist = vatnik" falseflag just hide and report
>>62895510>t. Racist vatnik
>>62895487is that an sxp
>>62895276Im blacker than you, fellow 'American', my intersectional bone fides out rank yours, so its impossible for me to be racist towards you, stinky chinky. Now get on your knees and apologize for your privilege.
>>62895290>Thinking people care about being called racist
>>62895500then a resolution to this conflict without escalation is going to avert your country from disaster, why in the world would you want to provoke russia into conflict with countries west of you, that means they will steamroll you to get to them should things escalate. even if they are defeated once they go west, they will still have brought your country to ruin and western europe's armies are impotent. you would be waiting for a response from americans who are going to protest any kind of war because we just don't give a fuck anymore.
>>62895519GO BACK TO YOUR VTUBER BOARD NIGGER!
>>62895525I want TZD
>>62895290And?
>>62895523Its just him announcing a report in a womanly roundabout way, his chang freerings got hurt and hes angly to dieee
>>62895525>steamroll country that is stronger and richer than ukrainewhat did you smoke my fellow gun owner
>>62895525Russia can't invade Ukraine without falling apart, why would richer nations with bigger militaries be scared?The best outcome isn't appeasement but making an example out of Russia that scares China out of any Taiwan plans.You have to be very short sighted to think anything less than military defeat is going to halt Russian agression in the 21st century.
>>62895543He's a vatnik. Do not engage.
Lol this retard is too committed to be a shitposter
>>62895555checked Thanks for BTFOing that racist vatnik, fren
>>62895290Chinks seething, maybe they shouldn't be aiding and abetting Russia in their eternal quest to ruin Europe if they don't want to be called mean names.
I hope the combined swedish and danish navies board them and impound the vessel+crew until reparations have been paid out and a formal apology has been given in the UN by the chinese. We have caught fucking red-handed and dead to rights. It's not the first time a chinese boat has fucked with underseas cables in the baltic sea.
>>62895566>implying the Chicoms don't want the West to be perceived as evil racists instead of the arbiters of truth and justice that we areRacism is a Russian psyop
>>62895556I'm just curios if he even recognizes the gun in the picture he posted, but naturally he didn't answer
A communications disruption can mean only one thing
>>62895583Of course. The racist vatniks love pretending to be John from Ohio oblast
>>62895561No worries, I'm also >>62895307and use casual racism all the time, I don't actually judge the vaule of a man by the color of his skin but I do judge those with skin so thin words can harm them.One of the funniest guys I have worked with was an aboriginal excavator driver who called himself "the nigger on the digger".We have a different culture about "racist" words down here.
>>62895596Here in America, we don't give in to hateful rhetoric.
>>62895232Yes but nothing is going to happen.
>>62895517Benelli M2>>62895555>making an example out of Russia that scares China out of any Taiwan plans.russia has nukes, there is no defeat option that is going to scare anyone, there is suicidal escalation thoughalso>richer with bigger militaryNo. Picrel. Ukraine has been fighting with support from most of nato and using everything short of the latest generations of jets that nato has to offer. Members of NATO have been complaining that their munitions reserves were getting low at certain points. stop lying.>>62895561retard>>62895596>i'm racist so I am one of u lol
>>62895604Aren't you creating a new government department that will be headed by the son of an apartheid gem miner?
>>62895609wrong image lol
>>62895604Bitch ass nigger I had anal with your mum, fucked her like a porno star, then MoonMan'd that hoeTook her out to Mickey D's, filled her up with STDs>>62895609Jim Cramer said nuclear war will happen, thus Russia will never nuke - they likely don't even have a functioning delivery system that can penetrate Western air defense. Nothing ever happens
>>62895609>west fallen no shellllllsssssUh huh, im sure that was the cope a year ago, hasnt it gotten stale?>shills so often he mistakenly posted guns from a month agoAnd i thought jannies were pathetic
>>62895276okay, NIGGER
>>62895609The USSR helped Vietnam defeat the USA and there wasn't any nuclear exchange, why do you think the US helping Ukraine defeat Russia would cause it?
>>62895643This. Also monke's nooks don't even work. TZD now
>>62895633you don't even have guns, why are you on /k/, I'll take more pictures when I am in a shit flinging contest in /arg/ about something pedantic>>62895643>why do you think the US helping Ukraine defeat Russia would cause itbecause the vietnamese were not launching missiles at san diego with russian equipment, dumbass
>>62895609>OOK OOK OOK IM GONNA NOOKThe last refuge of the vatnik. Nuclear threats only intimidate countries that dont have nukes of their own. And NATO does, and ours actually work.
>>62895652>because the vietnamese were not launching missiles at san diego with russian equipment, dumbassThat isn't what I'm calling for.My ideal outcome would be NATO jets flying over Ukraine hitting targets inside Ukraine. Not need to hit Russia at all, just rack up kills until even Russians won't accept it anymore.
>>62895658racist vatnik BTFO The anti-racist West cannot be defeated
>>62895652Ooooh, so youre just a faggot escapint his containment thread?
>>62895671>My ideal outcomeI'm talking about the new fucking US stated policy that we can give them weapons and they then use them to attack russia. That's the analogy you illiterate retard.>>62895658Yes, nuclear war is the last option on the table and we are approaching it with our foreign policy. >>62895678oh shut up noguns
>>62895688>racist vatnik is scared of us wiping Russia off the map. Good. You should be.
>>62895688Ok lets say that given the two options>leave Ukraine>start a nuclear war with an allience with ~50 times your military powerPutin decides that option 2 will lead to victory.He dies in a nuclear hellfire, does he seem like an extremist willing to die to you? Remember this is the guy that has been in hiding since the start of covid because he fears the coof.
>>62895688Da cumrag, russia will surely oooooook ooook noooook nooook as western help is of no consequemce please stop bombing moscow
>>62895463>"muh world war three"For fuck's sake Russia enabled Iran because they needed Shasneed drones and now you have a war in Gaza and Lebanon plus Houthis attacking shipping in the Red Sea. All it takes is North Korea attacking the South or China invading Taiwan and we can call it World War fucking 3.It's like you don't want to understand "rhetoric" isn't driving WW3 but dictatorships and irrational anti-West fundamentalists just want to get what's they perceive as theirs and they don't mind sending millions towards certain death just to get a taste of what's like to be in charge.Nobody wants nukes to be used except for Russia's thinly veiled threats to pull a Belka on themselves to drive Ukies out of Kursk. It's like you're aggressively missing the point that the nuclear rabid dog in this fight is Russia, and you trust the rabid dog to become rational and calm down if you just accept his terms and conditions. You're not angry at Russia for threatening to nuke you, you're angry at your fellow man for thinking that justice is kind of good and dictators are kind of bad.
>>62895609>escalating>stop escalating by defending your territory from the mentally retarded country that decided it would be worth nuking itself just to grab a bit of farmlandthat doesn't make any sense.if russia wants de-escalation, they have one option, and that is to fuck off back to their borders and never return, nobody owe's russia de-escalation, they escalated, they have to step down themselves if they want their suffering to end.
>>62895688No, you retarded zigger, it doesnt. The existence of the Russian state is not at question in this war, they have the power de-escalate at any time by just going home. In no scenario does launching nooks improve their situation, nor does the threat of nooks enhance their leverage. Trying to stoke nook hysteria like its the fucking cold war is nigger behavior, hence why everyone laughs at you.
>>62895724>rational and calm down if you just accept his terms and conditions.Kek. This reminds me of hitler and and the lead up to ww2.
>>62895724This, and nothing is more anti-Western than racism.
>>62895764I have been brining up the Munich Agreement a lot lately because that's what these people are calling for.
>>62895609>russia has nukesDoubt.tiff
>>62895783Seems the people that want it are incapable of learning from history
>>62895698oh well, silver lining is demographics will go back 200 years in europe and the US if the major cities get hit>>62895710>~50 times your military powerlol wut?>>62895724>angry at your fellow man for thinking that justice is kind of good and dictators are kind of badoh yeah, russia invaded ukraine because they are evil law breakers, it has nothing to do with the maidan color revolution, hunter biden being so involved in ukranian GazProm corruption that biden had to threaten to withhold 2 billion in aid to them to get the corruption prosecutor fired, the email where he says he is taking over ukraine in may of 2014, and then there were completely independent private militaries occupying the eastern half of ukraine afterwards for 8 years, not to mention the nuland debacle. Meanwhile china/taiwan conflict is only because we offshored our industry to get cheaper semiconductors and now china is the manufacturing powerhouse of the world thanks to investment bankers fucking over the american manufacturing middle class and now that they have serious power they no longer want taiwan to be our colony so we start threatening them with cutting off the semiconductors that are made there in taiwan because it would cripple their industry. North korea invading south korea is incredibly unlikely given that they are separated by the DMZ which has more high explosives in it than dirt. Also, china has no reason to invade taiwan because, as I said, if they lose TSMC their entire economy screeches to a halt. The fundamental nature of the russia ukraine conflict is the easter half of ukraine is ethnically russian, they were occupied by Azov et al and russia has now spent the past couple years leveling that part of the country. Yeah, it's fucking retarded. I'm not praising russia. As an American though? Why would I want this path of escalation? Why would it not benefit me to see this war ended? What do I care if russia gains some bombed out territories?
>>62895821>russia bombing anyoneOk cuck lmao they wouldve if they couldve after ukraine broke that last red line that putin fucking signed an hour before the missile hit
>>62895795Anon most people don’t give a shit about history. To them it’s just garbage that’s irrelevant to their daily lives.And that’s a good thing.
>I'm totally an American bro, I hate russia>I just repeat all their old propaganda bullshit justifications 1-to-1Its such a tired fucking script.
>>62895847been posting my guns in the thread faggot, post guns or you aren't american
>>62895847He might actually be an american, a lot of boomers are russian cucks because its trad and manly to take it in the ass
>>62895821>lol wut?NTA but if you can't handle Ukraine you're going to have a much, much worse time against the nations two orders of magnitude richer and more technologically-superior forces than Ukraine. Remember: they're getting our 80s/90s tech. It ain't gonna be pretty.
>>62895859which tech isn't currently deployed other than latest generation aircraft? "it's classified" isn't an answer. Also, how many troops do most european armies have? Not a lot.
>>62895859>our cold war surplus beats the shit out of your cold war surplusAnd in 30 years the gap has only widened. Imagine.
>>62895856Propagandistic purity tests and paranoia; where do I know this from? Seems . . . familiar, I just can't put my finger on it.
>>62895858When did America turn into such cuckolds ready to roll over for the ruskies. Where's the Commie-killin spirit gone.
>>62895884so stop posting on the board about guns if you don't have any, nogunz faggot
>>62895878>still coping over late cold war tech killing about .75 million ruskiesIt must be sad watching a family member reach this level of delusion
>>62895878It isn't just "what" but also how many.Sure Ukraine has been given ~50 F-16s, NATO has ~1,400 active with the US having another ~1,600 in storage.
>>62895878Russia couldn't even reach Chicken Kiev at the opening of their invasion and that was with the Ukrainians refusing to go full-force from the beginning because their current elected official was the softball option.After bleeding so much material Russia damn well don't have the logistics to conquer another nation by this point.
>>62895878Bitch, how many troops does Russia have? Not enough.
>>62895887>americaDont mistake one faggot for all america, theyre just loud and proud about being retarded cucks
>>62895901which is why getting closer to that point is so retarded because it backs a nuclear power into a corner where using the "nuclear option" becomes higher in probability. brinksmanship can backfire.>>62895908yes, cuck warfare was painful to watch.>bleeding so much materialrussia has abundant natural resources, not sure about their production capacity, but I wouldn't say they are running out of fuel or metals any time soon>>62895911history says otherwise>>62895917you're right, I should be agreeing with gay marriage and literal cuckolds and transgendered children, then I wouldn't be a cuck, my mistake
>>62895933So you are just going to stick with your best Chamberlain impression and act like if we just bow to Russia they will stop invading vordering counties every 4 years on average since the collapse of the USSR?Russia can't win a conventional war with NATO, they can't "win" a nuclear war with NATO so why would they want either?
>>62895892I was calling you an FSB glownigger. Reading comprehension is good for you.
>>62895290>>62895276>>62895240(You) probably want to re-think this whole (You) hanging out on 4chan thing.Bugniggers get caught doing nigger things, they're gonna get called out for being fucking bugniggers. Deal with it.
>>62895933>cucks to russia>no U are a cuckUh huh
>>62895232Didn't the Chinkoids already do this year ago?Anyways just close the GOFREP pool if they keep it up (they will).
>>62895953Russia taking all of ukraine doesn't affect me. Escalating this conflict does. It's rather simple.>>62895955been postin my american guns in america you lying faggot, is the FSB in the room with you?
>>62895240Go back to plebbit cocksucker
>>62895892Let me just recontextualize this; You're on a gun board, trying really hard to police who gets to be accepted into the Kool Kidz Klub; except there is no Kool Kidz Klub, it's an illusion, a fucking lie.You are using dishonest tactics straight from the FSB handbook; you enter a niche community, you co-opt it, you push the core members of the community to the outside and you control the narrative.
>>62895989You sound very nooooooooooooootral and concoooooooooooooooorned. Do you also do your own research?
>>62895989>Russia taking all of ukraine doesn't affect meIf they take Ukraine and stop you are correct, it they take Ukraine, use the extra income for rapid re-militarization and invade another country in 4 years then it'll be worse for you than Ukies doing the dying.
>>62895989>been postin my american guns in america you lying faggot, is the FSB in the room with you?You just changed your pattern of speech to appear more relatable, more "American". Don't think I don't what you're doing, little man.
>>62895933Dont talk to me about history you dumb fucking zigger. The days of the czar are over, the soviet union is over, and putin's russia is soon to be over, too. The only question is if he wants to live in exile in siberia, or be thrown from a window.
>>62895232Everything is an act of war. Technically, we're not even allowed to go to the bathroom.
>>62895989Let me put this an other, other way. You are desperate to appear American because it is your only measure of credibility.Your words betray your dishonest intentions, and so you have to camouflage yourself so as not to be perceived as the beast you truly are.
>>62895290Kill yourself ching chong chink
>>62895989What oblast are you from again?
>>62896012Now I want to be the guy that starts WW3 by strategically shitting in the right place for maximum effect.Maybe it's on the Kaaba, maybe it's on the Temple Mount, maybe it's in Xi Jinping's shoes.
>>62895989What part of WE ARE AT WAR WITH NATO AND THE COLLECTIVE WEST is so hard to understand?
>>62895878>which tech isn't currently deployedCruise missiles, such as Tomahawks. One example of decades' old tech that's considered too advanced to release onto the Ukraine battlefield. For another, quite famously the U.S. refuses to send anything into Ukraine armored with depleted uranium. Not to mention the targeting systems developed for dozens of weapons. I'd go on, but you're a dishonest fuckwit whose only purpose here is to waste time and derail.In fact, the effort is so tryhard you've highlighted just how important this little incident is. China has joined the war on r*ssia's side, and just got caught red-handed at it.Oops.
>>62896085From> 3 days to polandTo>russia hasnt collapsed yet
>>62896085>how many more weeks until you defeat russia?you invade an impoverished neighbor and now they are trying to conquer you? what the fuck is wrong with you "people"
>>62896085>nobody here from the old days gives a shit about ukraineI have been here 17 years too, I care deeply about Ukraine because I have read up on geopol and history.Right now Ukies and Russians are dying, if Russia is allowed to get away with annexing Ukraine then China will try the same in Taiwan and it'll be young men from all over the west dying.You think short term, I think long term.
>>62896085>nigger I have been on this site for 17 yearsAn attempt to add credibility >great job describing your tactics thoughI know you are but what am I?>nobody here from the old days gives a shit about ukraineAn attempt to add credibility>they're all racist, they hate the fags that post twink shit, and were all massive wehraboosWhat does that have to do with anything? I thought the Ukrainians were the Nazis?>look at all the threads about how much the people who served in the military hate what it has becomeWhataboutism and an attempt to add credibility (someone else's)>nice job getting the mods to ban everyone who disagrees with you like everywhere else on the internet, eglin boyYou just said that you and what you consider your peers openly engage in racism and homophobia, and you're blaming me for no one wanting to keep you around? You're really pulling the "I'm an edgy 12 year old I shouldn't get detention for screaming NIGGER during class" card? REALLY?
>>62896026florida>>62896018picrel faggot>>62896041>What part of WE ARE AT WAR WITH NATO AND THE COLLECTIVE WEST is so hard to understand?please link to the article in which war has been declared
>>62896116>You just said that you and what you consider your peers openly engage in racism and homophobia, and you're blaming me for no one wanting to keep you around? You're really pulling the "I'm an edgy 12 year old I shouldn't get detention for screaming NIGGER during class" card? REALLY?first day on 4chan?
>>62896116>>62896085wittle is so opwessed
>>62896120No, I am asking you why you consider your behavior resulting in negative consequences to be anyone else's fault but your own.
>>62896131the culture of the website being changed is what you were accusing me of doing :) I would ask if you remember McNiggerator but I don't think you had your current job at the time
>>62896144>the culture of the website being changed is what you were accusing me of doingI can understand that interpretation, but it's more that you are selling your credibility for progandistic purposes. You are a political actor and you are using the iconography of a American gun owner to push your political ideology. This thread has NOTHING to do with guns, or Chan culture.Also no one cares you're old bro, come on
>>62896117>floridanigger
>>62895232it is if we want tobut since we're cucks, we won't do shit
>>62896163indeed
>>62896155lmao, you are basically admitting you are here to be a pro nato shill who has no interest or involvement in the history and usage of this board beyond your propaganda campaign while simultaneously admitting the thread is off topic. they aren't sending their best, or maybe they are, this is fucking hilarious.
>>62896192I don't care about Chan culture, it's not important to anyone. What this is is a very lightly censored forum where the war in Ukraine is discussed on the daily. I do not engage in propaganda, I don't say "THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING AND YOU SHOULD THINK THIS", what I do is I find the people like you, running their mouths, and I challenge their ideas.I challenge their ideas and they get upset, throw temper tantrums and start calling me names because they know their arguments do not stand up in the light.
>>62896117If russia took over Ukraine they would sell its resources to China, which fucks the US economy in the ass. You must be pretty dumb.
>>62896207>>62896192So instead of making this about your ideas, your philosophies, you made this about the importance of tripfaggots from fifteen years ago.
>>62896005Assuming that he ain't just a paid vatnig shill, most of these American "muh escalation" types would gladly give everything west of Mississippi to Russia if they demanded it.
>>62895901Ukraine has been given FIVE F-16s, all Grandpa models with some botox (F-16A with some C avionics). They're supposed to get UP TO 50, but even a year from now they still won't have all of them.>F-16A first flight: 20 January 1974; 50 years ago (unplanned)>2 February 1974; 50 years ago (official)
>>62895487He's a falseflagging vatnoid, anon.>>62895500No. No you're not.>inb4 shitty auto-translated Polish "nuh-uh">>62895525He's not Polish, he's trying to sow discord and anti-Polish sentiment (lol) among rightoids in the US (lmao, even).You've seen a huge surge in astroturfed "euro" doomerism and vatnoids larping as Balts/Finns and Poles talking shit about America since Trump won. Ignore "doomers" and ignore """poles""" kvetching about how le ebin ebil Amreeka is.
>>62895232few 'accidents' like this and there could be additional insurance required on ships travelling trough danish/swedish waters...
>>62895688>Yes, nuclear war is the last option on the table and we are approaching it with our foreign policy.You're a fucking pussy and a shame to your grandparents and parents that had to live through The Cold War. >WAAAAHHH they might NOOOK usdidn't stop people during the Cold War from still sticking it to the Russian faggots any chance we got. I'm not surrendering my shit just because a nigger threatens to shoot me. In fact, I'm gonna make sure that if he does shoot me and my family, *his* dies too.Grow a pair of fucking balls you absolute fucking teenage girl.
>>62896211>If russia took over Ukraine they would sell its resources to Chinawe already sell resources to china you dipshit, everyone does, they are the manufacturing powerhouse of the world>>62896224I made it about your inorganic shill campaign>>62896207>I challenge their ideas.you haven't challenged a single idea or made a substantive argument. you called me a vatnik, a russian, and parroted retarded talking points like "but ukraine is nazis" which is fucking retarded given that they are led and funded by jews, and other random personal attacks. you have not fundamentally addressed the thesis:Americans lose nothing by the war ending and russia gaining territory. Americans stand to lose lives and property should they continue to escalate with a nuclear power. Of course America would win. But is ukraine a good reason to deal with the consequences of war? I don't think it is. Your entire premise is some kind of slippery slope that if Russia defeats ukraine, that they will then attack poland or another allied nation. This would be cassus belli and justify america going to war because Poland is a NATO country. If they do that, then yes, we should go to war. It would be incredibly stupid for russia to do that though, but by continually giving them mercenaries, and weapons, and sanctioning the use of those weapons on targets in russia, we are provoking a potential war that benefits no one in the american working class.refute that if you want to pretend you have some kind of integrity
>>62896293Have you ever considered that I'm not part of the American working class, and thus do not care about the problems you face?Whine to your local congressman, bark at the right mailman instead of venting your frustrations to no one in particular.That's what got you into this situation, you sit on your ass and wait for other people to do shit for you.
>>62896305Fantastic, you have no arguments and do not wish to "challenge their ideas" I appreciate the clarification of your position.
>>62895983yeslooks like china has chosen their side
>>62896293>Great Britain loses nothing by giving the Sudetenland to Germany>even the whole of Czechoslovakia is of no importance>now if they attack Poland, that's a casus belliif we had smashed Germany in the Sudetenland everything else could've been avoided (except maybe Japan, Japan would always attack the US)
>>62896336why not let them have danzig? great britain et al were retarded for the terms of the treaty of versailles, you split up the german people and then threw a temper tantrum when they wanted to get back together.
>>62896293>we already sell resources to china you dipshit, everyone does, they are the manufacturing powerhouse of the worldAre you retarded or something? If russia took over other countries the US would have less resources to trade = worse economy = China / Russia will take over other countries if the US does nothing or don't help other countries it has defense agreements. Now I am convinced you're russian shill.
>>62895232Fuck the Copenhagen convention.Denmark and Sweden should just close the baltic for these bing chirring jokers, and the Russians too.
>>62896034Get into the office where putin is, shit on his desk, then write>From the west, with love
>>62895232Sabotaging literally anything is an act of war. If they sabotaged a random liquor store, that's an act of war.
>>62896370russia literally used chemical weapons on Britain soil
>>62896362He would cry about HATO bioweapons but I don't think he's stupid enough to actually declair war on NATO despite telling his people that's already happened.
>>62896310I did challenge your ideas. I challenged the importance of Chan culture, I challenged the importance of identifying as an American gun owner for your credibility. Do I need to tell you that I disagree with your isolationist stance on American politics to make you understand that the way you engage in political activism is far from productive?You are a political actor, I tell you all the ways you use to legitimize yourself at the detriment of your ideas, and I tell you your methods are sub-optimal.You tell of all these worldly things that make you who you are, but that's not true, that's not who you are. Who you are is a man bragging about the toys he owns, screaming into the void about things beyond his control.I want to help you, but for that to happen you have to admit to yourself you may be wrong, even about the things you hold most dearly.
>>62896384>>62896310Your relationship with 4chan and the /k/ sub-group has clearly been an important part of your life, and you believe that you are an important member of this culture; an arbiter of truth.But then you complain in the same breath how Chan culture has escaped you, how it slipped through your hands and now you are alone, wondering where all your friends went.One of the things you must divest yourself of if you wish to grow is this illusion of belonging. Let go of the past. Move forward with your life.
>>62896384I would be so much better off if I were an inorganic shill like you who admits he has no place here or interest in anything besides supporting nato despite giving no reason why escalating the conflict or even winning the conflict against russia benefits the american working class in any way whatsoever!>>62896410I'm a shitposter, I'm not a tripfag. Got a house, got innawoods land, got dogs, got my own business. Guns are a hobby. Thanks for caring.
>>62896348Versailles is an entirely French debacle, although they were only getting payback from the capitulation of 1871, where the Kaiser took extreme pleasure in sticking the knife in and twisting. Turnaround is fair game.
>>62896430>Turnaround is fair game.then all wars everywhere for the most part are justified lol, you could even justify russia's invasion of ukraine using that line
>>62896422The American working class benefit from an increased support in Ukraine by several vectors; the Military Industrial Complex hiring Americans to make products in America, the accumulation of debt owed to America, the rapprochement between trading partners and the divestment from Russian oil in the Western world.That last part is by far the most significant positive impactor for the average US citizen; products made in the US become more valuable on the foreign markets and oil becomes increasingly more lucrative to be extracted and refined in the US and Canada.Canada sits on the biggest oil reserve on the planet and would sell it's product cheaper to the US than Russia would.Checkmate.
>>62895856Old pic, but so is yours. Death to Soviet revanchism and all tankies.>>62895933>which is why getting closer to that point is so retarded because it backs a nuclear power into a corner where using the "nuclear option" becomes higher in probabilityOh fuck off. The so-called russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around, they can go home any time.>whining about muh gays while simping for the HIV capital of Europe Is there a name for this mental illness?
>>62896437only when there are bad winners (Prussia), or bad losers (Third Reich)which is why we need to smack Russia hard this time, until they know they've lost.Nobody is interested in conquering Russia. That doesn't mean we're about to let Russia conquer anyone else.
>>62896441>Military Industrial Complex hiring Americans to make products in Americayeah, DEI hires have sure gone up, just look at how great boeing is doing these days!> the accumulation of debt owed to Americawe are 36 trillion dollars in debt and printing money to give to ukraine you retard>the rapprochement between trading partners and the divestment from Russian oil in the Western worldwhich is causing people to leave the petrodollar which is a huge negative to the US...Your positives are not really positives. Canada has oil but different regions have different types of oil which refine differently, and are harder to extract despite abundance. The obstacles to US oil are self imposed by the EPA et al. Products made in the USA are no longer abundant thanks to our manufacturing sector being offshored. Keep lying though and saying how it's a good thing.>>62896460>>62896459my whole point is, what does america lose by letting russia have the eastern 1/3rd of ukraine and then letting the western third of ukraine enter the eurozone? let the conflict end.
>>62896490>yeah, DEI hires have sure gone up, just look at how great boeing is doing these days!fag>we are 36 trillion dollars in debt and printing money to give to ukraine you retardnigger>which is causing people to leave the petrodollar which is a huge negative to the US...who left?
>>62896490>peak useful retard posting
I still find it hard to believe the Chinese are so openly behind this.
>>62896490>printing money to give to ukraine you retardUS help is predominantly in materiel. UE is giving the most money.
It's fun to watch Russian shills get so turned around in their own bullshit they can't even remember what they're supposed to hate.
>>62896495>who left?https://www.reuters.com/technology/saudi-arabia-joins-bis-led-central-bank-digital-currency-trial-2024-06-05/china is laying the framework to trade yuan for oil, and already are with russia, I take the name calling on the other two points to be an admission that you aint got shit in terms of a meaningful rebuttal
>>62896550It would be more accurate to say the US is printing money to replenish their stockpiles with new weapons as the cold war surplus is being shipped overseas. Meanwhile, vatniks are breaking into war museums looking for any fossil to send to the frontlines.
>>62896544the crew is russian or so I heard.
>>62896490>just look at how great boeing is doing these days!>He doesn't know that the real Boeing DEI hires are the McDonnell Douglas engineers.yeah
>>62896686The same china that got pressured into stopping to trade roubles with russia or they faced extra sanctions from the west?https://www.newsweek.com/russia-china-yuan-ruble-banks-1950254
>>62895290Are you aware of the environs you are currently localized in?
leaked footage of the ship being seized
>>62895596>One of the funniest guys I have worked with was an aboriginal excavator driver who called himself "the nigger on the digger".>We have a different culture about "racist" words down here.My sister was in a highschool band called "Wogs +1".She was the plus one.
>>62896544>I still find it hard to believe the Chinese are so openly behind this.Chinese ship but sailed from Russia and Russian captain.Russia is behind this, using a Chinese ship to complicate the diplomatic response. Apparently the Danes didn't see this as a serious impediment and boarded the vessel.
>>62896862>Merchants are having to use intermediaries, resulting in more costly transactions due to commissions.so they are using third parties, quote is from your article, more expensive but still occurring
>>62897116Same op as with the pipeline. It's a third party (burger) that did the demo.
>>62897005But it was Danes....
>>62897384Well the Danes would tower over Chang Liu even more than Americans.
>>628954111. checked2. it’s supposed to be obvious.
>>62895361>posts picture where euros do something about it
So what was OP about again? Asking because, as demonstrated, deflecting the discussion onto volatile matters killed the thread when people took the bait instead of ignoring it
>>62896117>Five Seven
>>62896490>my whole point is, what does america lose by letting russia have the eastern 1/3rd of ukraine and then letting the western third of ukraine enter the eurozone?Because in 10 years when this happens again, you'll be saying>what does america lose by letting russia have the rest of UkraineAnd after that it will be the Baltics or Poland, and then, well eastern Germany used to be a Russian slave state, and it was only by the poor judgement of Comrade Gorbachev (who was not really a comrade at all, but a traitor and a capitalist) that it was lost, so they really deserve to get it back too, etc. You don't negotiate with or appease these kind of people, because for them words are just a means to weaken or delay your response. Your goal of peace at any cost and theirs of continued expansion are fundamentally irreconcilable; they will make war against the West eventually, even if you keep pulling back its borders. Everything they say in the meantime is just to deceive you, get you to lower your guard, etc. Words have no weight to them (see Budapest Memorandum), only strength.
>>62895290>You shrood not be lacist!We want your entire country dead, ping.As do all your neighbors.
I hardly understand the point though. What is the objectivw? Someone explain this.
>>62895604Fuck you. Kill all jews and give the blacks one way tickets a the rope.Not sure whether to shoot or ship the chinks, leaning towards shoot.
>>62897768It's just a different form of saber rattling. Cutting international cables has been conflated with nuclear war because cables are easy to cut, difficult to replace or repair, cost a fuckton in lost revenue for every second of downtime, and if every state started cutting each others cables it would entail a global economic disaster. Every once in a while China likes to pretend they have the wherewithall to start such a shin-kicking shitshow, it's their version of ookooknook.
>>62897528>Danes would tower over Chang LiuProbably true but it was a Russian captain.You should probably actually read the thread.
>>62897809But why now, why in the Baltic, towards Finland of all places, and why antagonize the EU at all?
>>62895933>history says otherwiseLet's see:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Soviet_UnionSo a large part of your victories are killing people who no longer want to be part of you or being bankrolled by other countries into pyrrhic wins, then you got amusing things like getting kicked out of Afghanistan not one but THREE times and ultimately rolling over and imploding just because you couldnt keep up with the military and bribes to your satellites.Congratulations, Russia is the definition of a loser with a fake reputation.
>>62897820>But why now, why in the Baltic, towards Finland of all places, and why antagonize the EU at all?Because everyone in the Baltics, Scandinavia and Europe is going all-in on Russia bashing before Trump takes office.This is an attempt to tell them to back off, or at least make them nervous about "le escalation"
>>62897820Distraction and nuisance value. This is how Russia and China operate; they try to take actions that fall below the western response threshold. They'd be delighted by your confusion.
>>62896293Say I punch my ex in front of you, what you gonna do? Were those weapons just to compensate for your lack of spine at school?We know the answer so don't bother little man.
>>62897840I would understand Russia doing this but why would China? What do the Chinese have to gain from it? It seems to me that Russia being imbroiled in an indecisive war while becoming ever more reliant on China is a perfectly suitable situation for them. Why go on a limb for them?I don't know, an overt act like this seems really bizzare to me. I am indeed confused.
>>62896544Doubt the chinese knew what russians were doing, and russians thought europeans wouldn't dare to board a chinese ship
>>62897116Based Danes.
>>62897908>I would understand Russia doing this but why would China?China didn't do it, Russia did.Pay attention.China benefits from anything that weakens the rule of law and international order though, they're sort of in favour of the invasion of Ukraine because it legitimises the bullying of weak neighbours which is something they're all about.They just don't like to be seen to be in favour of it and would not enjoy sanctions at all (they enjoy sanctions on Russia though, they're making bank on those).
What happened to the ship and the crew?Did the Danes arrest them?
>>62895933>because it backs a nuclear power into a corner where using the "nuclear option" becomes higher in probabilityNo one wants your shitty zigger land, the west doesnt want it, Ukraine doesnt want it, China may (please nuke each other anytime)We just want you to be INSIDE of your borders like everyone else
>euros won’t torture everyone on board into a jibbering mess and then take tit for tat sabotage actionsThe west is dead
>>62897956Russians doing is perfectly coherent, my bad. Yeah, China tacitly supports Ukraine but I doubt they'd go out on a limb for the Russians. The EU is their largest export market, with the US being rather hostile towards China, they benefit nothing from pissing off the EU too.I wonder how the fact the Russians used a Chinese flaged vessel went down with the Chinese?
>>62897987The ship is currently anchored in danish waters after being boarded, it is unlikely to be released anytime soon, and i doubt the chinese will do anything about this since they are probably pissed Russia tried to drag them into this by using a chinese ship
>>62898016I see, thanks anon.
>>62897987Prize rules, the Danish sailors just got rich.
>>62895383ok schlomo
>>62895588This entire thread is a communications disruption.
>>62897908China’s international security and MIC is more fragmented and disorganized than you’d think.Xi didn’t even know about the spy ballon incident until after it was shot down.The balloon was the idea of some dunning kruger at an intelligence agency who thought a balloon would be an epic passive aggressive wolf warrior move.The way it works is the big guy (Xi) gives a vague directive, like “we need to help Russia more” and then that directive is interpreted by the countless minions under him.They then have to play a guessing game about “would Xi like this, would Xi not like this?” But eventually you get a hothead who just full sends it like the ballon guy or whoever is in charge of the Sub here.
>>62895989>Russia proving that giving up nukes is national suicide and causing an age of mass profilation doesn't affect me.
>>62897987The crew will be stuck forever inside one of the famous scandinavian death camps, never to be heard from again.
>>62895232Those ships are patsies they've been directed to hover over the cables via hijacked messaging while the cables were cut by other means. NATO won't gain anything from prosecuting the people involved, - more likely the money behind the ships is western in the final analysis and they'll lose. Russia being Russia.
>>62897908china is on russia's side, and they can do as much of this little trolling as they like because no one will do shit as we all rely on their cheap shit or our nations collapse.
>>62899588>my ps3 wont update anymore>sue the scandanavian cucks>win in court>get a ps4 but its not a pro>seethe and copescheduled to see a lawyer in a few months. this is bullshit.
>>62895643>Vietnam>defeat the USA
>>62897820Finland gave up neutrality and joined NATO, something that Russia still hasn't forgotten or ''forgiven''. This isn't the first or only hybrid thing they've done towards Finland.
>>62897116>Ship in Danish territorial waters suspected of sabotage of internet lines is not fair game for boarding. I mean, what did you expect? They cuck and cower because the ship says "China" on it.American and other European ships have been boarded too, even military ships, though not nearly as common. A flag is only as useful as the Navy protecting it.
>>62900873>They cuck and cower because the ship says "China" on it.What the fuck are you talking about? The ship was seized.
>>62900892That's what poccians expected to happen
>>62895588>A communications disruption can mean only one thing
>>62900873>I mean, what did *they* expect? They cuck and cower because the ship says "China" on it.FTFY>>62900926>That's what poccians expected to happenThen say that. Don't accuse us of being as retarded as vatniks.And on some levels, they probably did expect it to work, at least they thought it was worth a shot.It's not rational to expect it to work but authoritarians are rarely rational, if they were, they'd be liberal democracies joining the west because those are clearly much nicer countries for everyone concerned, even retired authoritarian politicians enjoy living in western countries more than their counterparts getting bayoneted in the streets or dying in exile in some awful sun-blasted country where all they can do is stare at the monochrome landscape from the windows of an air-conditioned compound and wish someone somewhere actually liked them enough to call.But authoritarians, or anyone who goes hard on the Law of the Jungle/Might makes Right/Imperialist/Will to Power philosophy, always end up essentially praying for a Deus Ex Machina to save them.It's usually demanding that others surrender to them and let them win, it's often railing against third parties participating in their criminal invasions etc when they clearly didn't consent to their victim having friends, sometimes it's sucking up to the worst people in the world and suggesting a way that you can both get away with your crimes if you work together for five minutes.None of these usually end up working that well but that's because they're literally delusional, seeking victory that can't be won by any realistic means.tl:dr; sort of, on some level they were hoping really, really hard that a Chinese flag would be enough deterrent to let them get away with it (again).
