Not sure if this would be more here, /lit/, /his/ or even /tg/, but what are your favorite weapons in mythology or just fiction in general to keep it broad? Which one would you want to wield if you had the perquisite abilities or logistics to back you?This popped into my head because I was just thinking how BS it would be to fight someone with Rui Jingu Bangu, the shapeshifting staff of the Monkey King.>Parried>It becomes the size of a tree and crushes you anyway>Dodge>It extends and smacks you anyway>Disarm the wielder>becomes skyscrapper sized and hits you like a train out of nowhere. Don't even need to hold it.
>>62912118mono-atomic filamentit slices through anythingAny. Thing. Including neutronium and (perhaps) even more dense materials. Sci fi shit from Larry Niven, I don't think anyone else before him used the concept. Unless maybe Asimov somewhere, but probably in a different context.I gotta a bunch others (sci fi, etc.), but I'll start with that and see where the thread goes.
>>62912118the "Cache weapons", a.k.a. "the fourty horrors" from the Revelation Space seriesfourty weapons of mostly mysterious function, based on tech communicated backwards in timesome are powerful enough to destroy a planet, others seem to be beefier versions of normal, interstellar ship weaponrythey are also sapient, and can be "piloted" or pilot themselves each weapon is 100% self contained and needs no external power source to firedifficult to use without some kind of interface, and you need a ship to lug them around in, but against most threats they are the ultimate trump cardstolen long ago from their mysterious creators
>>62912118Gramr (Wrath), from the Völsunga saga.TL:DRThis total Chad half-giant and prince called Sigmund is at a wedding feast for his sister Princess Signe who is marrying the local king Siggeir when a mysterious stranger (Odin) shows up carrying the sword. The stranger drives the sword hilt-deep into a massive tree and declares that any man who can draw the sword from the tree can keep it. Sigmund is the only one able to draw the sword from the tree, and King Siggeir is super jelly and seething about it. Siggeir offers to buy the sword from Sigmund for three times its weight in gold, but Sigmund refuses to sell it. This sparks a chain of events where king Siggeir plans to betray Sigmund and his brothers, to invade and usurp the throne of the kingdom of Sigmund and Signe's dad King Völsung. King Siggeir attacks the brothers at night while they're sleeping, steals the sword. Events transpire (including a fight with a werewolf) in which Sigmund and Signe escape, build a literal underground base, and produce and incestuous son named Sinfjotli, while waging war against king Siggeir. Eventually the Sigmund and his incest son use the sword to kill King Siggeir. Sigmund uses the sword in further battles until he attempts to use it against a mysterious stranger (Odin) which causes the sword to shatter.Sigurd, Sigmund's son from another woman, later gets a quest to slay a Fafnir.The dwarf prince Fafnir had killed his own father to steal his magical gold-finding ring, in the process he was turned into a terrible and greedy dragon.Sigurd takes the shards of his father's sword to his foster father Reginn, a dwarven smith.Reginn reforges the sword. Sigurd tests the sword by using it to split an anvil in half with a single strike. Sigurd then kills Fafnir with a single thrust through the armpit into the heart, and gets all of the treasure to himself after eating the dragon's heart and killing Reignn who planned to kill him and steal the treasure for himself.
>>62912292So that's the quick run down of that story. I've heard of the sword in the tree before but didn't know the full details. Doesn't help I've been told a whole bunch of different names and spellings for it, up to and including 'Balmung' I think.>>62912136As someone who read Ringworld, I greatly appreciate the reference to Mono-atomic filament. I know the Kzinti used a weapon version early in the book to try to take over, but wasn't the wire holding the Shadow Squares also held to the ring via a similar implement? It's been a long time since I've read it.
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>>62912330>RingworldYeah, that very much. But, he also used it in some of his short stories. The kzinti thing I don't recall, I think it may have been from a story outside the original Ringworld. Mono-atomic filament was a cutting edge sci fi concept from that era, not sure if modern science has proven/disproven it since then.Niven had numerous fantastical weapons ideas in his works, especially when he worked with Pournelle. Footfall was the first sci fi book I ever read that used a version of Rods from God as part of the plot and introduced me to the idea.
>>62912136>>62912330>>62912356Mono-atomic filament does not cut scrith!!
The Black Hand is a gamma emitter used almost exclusively by Spacers; fielding the weapon alone is sufficient for war crimes charges, but the few militaries with means to pursue action against the Spacers are also the ones who employ them. Against an unshielded target, single ignitions can inflict 3rd degree burns and a guarantee of cancer at 100 yards, and within 50 you begin to see 4th degree burns and spontaneous contracture. Exposure at 25 yards is a death sentence even when protected behind several inches of armor plating; liquefaction of the dermis and internal organs is common, and even if a target somehow survives exposure at that range they are permanently incapacitated.Given the efficacy of hardshields against gamma emitters, I'm convinced the widespread deployment of this weapon by Spacers serves a more psychological than directly combat related role. The sound of its hissing crackle is enough to panic even seasoned soldiers, and from what I've seen of Spacers in combat, particularly amongst their light mech spears, I suspect this weapon is also used as form of counting coup.Regardless, I have seen the aftermath of its use firsthand. It is a cruel and terrible weapon.-Efi
>inb4 xeeleestomp
>>62912136>I don't think anyone else before him used the conceptMonofilament weapons are a staple in Cyberpunk media. Role playing games, anime, etc. This is from Cyber City Oedo 808; the character Benten has a mono-atomic filament concealed inside the handle of their Jitte
>>62913198And here in Spriggan, being used by a member of the US "Machine Corps".https://youtu.be/CEL70dRp5Jg?t=47
>>62912118https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-OQFslDKiI
>>62912118this some lol cartoon?
Picking a weapon from mythology is hard. There's obviously tons of really powerful magical weapons that would be awesome to have but few of them really "speak" to me as being unusually cool if that makes any sense.I remember one example that really triggered my autism when we studied Gilgamesh in literature class:>He went to the forge and said, ..’I will give orders to the armourers; they shall cast us our weapons while we watch them.’ So they gave orders to the armourers and the craftsmen sat down in conference. They went into the groves of the plain and cut willow and box-wood; they cast for them axes of nine score pounds, and great swords they cast with blades of six score pounds each one, with pommels and hilts of thirty pounds. They cast for Gilgamesh the axe ‘Might of Heroes’ and the bow of Anshan; and Gilgamesh was armed and Enkidu; and the weight of the arms they carried was thirty score pounds.That math doesn't add up, unless the "bow of Anshan" has negative mass, which would be interesting to say the least.As far as general fiction stuff goes, I really liked the pistols in Kingsmen with the underbarrel shotgun. I also really like this massive 3-shot break action revolver from Bubblegum Crisis.
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>>62913299The M56 Smartgun from Aliens was also very cool.
>>62912118>What if one guy had a bunch of advantages and the other guy had none!?If you don't balance the combatants of course one of them is going to be at a disadvantage idiot.>>62912136>it slices through anythingOne atom thin means one atom strong.Why wouldn't people just make their fucking armor out of the mono filament if it's the strongest thing in the universe by a factor of a billion billion trillion, which is what it would take to do what you're talking about.
>>62914010My guess is that the filament basically has infinite tensile strength and is held up either by a frame like on a bow saw or by electro magnetic forces deployed by the handle.If it was the second option electro magnets in the armor would disrupt it, and in the first case the frame would limit it's use.
>>62914010>One atom thin means one atom strong.It also means one atom sharp. Other properties, like hardness, aren't relevant.>Why wouldn't people just make their fucking armor out of the mono filamentBecause cutting and withstanding being cut are two totally different things.
>>62914051It has a weight on the end and you swing it like a yo-yo to keep it taut.
>>62912118Imagine if the west burned all of their historic works of fiction and only fables about King Arthur survived (in a Mexican library) for people to remember. 4000 years of history and they only have journey to the west and the three kingdoms to draw from. Truely bug people.
>>62914083Like Europeans never burned their previous native religion and sacked the center of European civilization in favor for a middle eastern jewish one. China does what it does best and copies the west.
>>62912118Chinese myths are so childlish."Oh yeah btw my bamboo stick can bypass anything you do".
>>62912118That video's real fucking gay.
>>62912210Still, Inhibitors are barely phased by them, still kinda work against the conjoiners
>>62913293I never understood why they gave an ostensibly British spy agency TT-33s.I also want to say I remember seeing TTs with the underbarrel flare launcher before Kingsman which was why they used them as shotguns in the movie but it's almost impossible to find anything on them that isn't tainted by the movie. I might be imagining things too.
>>62914083>>62914689Shit, sometimes doesn't even need to have been some great purge to happen. It took a long time to find the Epic of Gilgamesh tablets and various things suggest the poem we have of Beowulf now is just the last installment of a longer saga.>>62912118also, sort of related to the topic, I've always thought if I could give not just myself, but my whole nation's military a weapon from fiction, I'd make it the Lasgun. Imagine how huge of a logistical relief it'd be in a modern army. Though if I went beyond weapons and just 'fictional equipment', I'd give the army Sandvich from TF2: self-regenerating, never-spoiling rations and medical supplies. How handy is that?
>>62914766They probably weren't even thinking that far, they just thought "gun looks cool, lets use that" and didn't give it any further thought.It's certainly possible the guns originated from some earlier movie. That sort of thing happens a lot, hell parts of Han Solo's blaster were surplus from a Frank Sinatra movie.
>>62914863>I'd give the army Sandvich from TF2: self-regenerating, never-spoiling rations and medical supplies. How handy is that?Super hand. A lot of the supposedly weaker magical items from role playing games like D&D are like that too, incredibly underrated. Yeah yeah a flaming magic sword of dragon decapitation sure is powerful, but I'd argue stuff like a Decanter of Endless Water or Immoveable Rod are often much more useful.
>>62914863>every time you fire the enemy can just look at where the beam orginates to spot your locationLasguns would be a logistical miracle but I'm not sure if it's worth it in modern day where the only thing preventing a dozen drones and an artillery strike from falling on your head is concealment.
>>62914930>Immoveable Rod*CLANG*What the fuck was that?
>>62914053>It also means one atom sharp. Other properties, like hardness, aren't relevant.It would get destroyed by fucking wind you retard.>Because cutting and withstanding being cut are two totally different things.Only if you're fine with your one atom wide weapon leaving a wound that's only one atom deep.>>62914051It's a thread, it's the finest thread in the universe, thus it could be woven into a fabric, be braided into thicker strands, etc. Nothing you just said actually addressed the problem.
>>62914930Flaming swords are shit on becasue the damage boost is low and fire is the most common resistance, and immovable rods are two and a half times as expensive. At least in 3.5, the only edition that matters.
>>62915006>It would get destroyed by fucking wind you retard.Post math.
>>62915036>Flaming swords are shit onI thought it was obvious that I wasn't talking about a Flaming Sword (tm) but instead was just stringing together a bunch of random crap in order to represent a random choice of high-end sword, but I guess it wasn't so obvious. Replace "Flaming" with "Vorpal", "Holy Avenger +5", or any of the other top end stuff.
>>62915006>Only if you're fine with your one atom wide weapon leaving a wound that's only one atom deephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfnkKSKX54
>>62914689Did we do that 50 years ago?
>>62914930While not an underappreciated one, could you imagine the godsend a Bag of Holding would be for any military as a standard issue. While it has a default weight of like 20 pounds, that still cuts the weight of a soldier's kit by like a quarter if I remember right. Though a decanter of endless water would be globe changing since it's drawing water from another dimension entirely.>>62914948I thought the visible energy beam was something that could be turned off on the Lasgun but was mostly used because the IG tend to be conscripts not used to hose a Lasgun would work. Similar to it having a 'simulated' recoil.>>62914960Well that's an old meme.
>>62913198>Ringworld, published 1970>compare: 1980s animeThis concepts of "before" and "after" seem to elude you.I could have been more clear originally:>Larry Niven, I don't think anyone else before him used the conceptMono-atomic filament doesn't appeare in any sci fi stories (that I'm aware of) before Niven used it in some of his. Ringworld may not have been the first since I can't recall the other titles & their publication dates. I did leave an out that I suspect Asimov may have published on it before Niven, I'm just not sure. That era of sci fi writers involved an enormous amount of collaboration and friendships between most of the major authors. They often kicked around and refined concepts with each other which then appear in various works without necessarily attributing who came up with which ideas first. Niven in particular was rather gregarious in the community, and his ideas appear in many other authors' works as well as other authors providing him ideas and inspiration.And, I see some tard has entered the thread with massive butthurt over a sci fi concept that was based upon scientific speculation from the 1950s & 1960s. Lighten up, Francis. Read the OP and then actually read the posts you responded to, as per:>>62912356>Mono-atomic filament was a cutting edge sci fi concept from that era, not sure if modern science has proven/disproven it since then.You fucking tard. Science has changed somewhat during that last 55 years. We've learned a little bit since then, including the discovery and development of fullerenes. Did you know we can make Buckytubes now? If you make a very long Buckytube and then pull it taught until the fullerene structure tightens into a strand, it's barely a few atoms across and will slice and dice exactly like a mono-atomic filament. Fullerenes do not blow apart in the wind. In fact, it's looking like they are so stable that they may be hazardous to manufacture due to no way to destroy them completely.
>>62912118rwby has some beautifully animated /k/ nonsense
>>62914766you're correct about the tt's with the underbarrel launcher. they didn't see much use but they did exist.heck, it would have been an excellent officers pistol until radio came into extensive use.as for why it was used in Kingsman, besides looking cool, they needed to separate themselves from the bond series with it's Walther PPK (and all subsequent variations) thus they were forced to go outside the country. the props team just needed to make certain that the Tokarev's didn't show the stars.
>>62914755the only thing that really trumped the Inhibitors was Greenfly, which, unfortunately went on to fuck up the res of the galaxy as well
>>62916373seven piece gun-chuks, cane-gun, and in the last half second the glock-blade with a massive machete sheath.yes, RWBY had some absolutely crazy /K/ nonsense.
>>62916456it's a crime that this is the one scene in the whole show where Sun gets a really good combo off with the gunchucks. honestly, rwby in general is just a tragedy of a show.
>>62915091Okay monkey now linearly decrease the thickness of the wire until it WOW WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT SNAPPED.Fucking retard. A monoatomic wire would be the most fragile thing in the fucking universe. It would be so fragile at a foot of length that changes in ambient temperature in a pressurized environment would snap it even if it had a thousand times the tensile strength of carbon nanotubes you fucking jackass. >>62915062Post gun with timestamp, nigger.
The seven trumpets of Revelations.
>>62916629What do these do? t. Not a Christfag
Vibroblades are dime a dozen in fiction, but the ones in the Metal Gear universe are on another level conceptually.High-Freq weapons use an ultrasonic resonator tuned to resonate with the electron orbits of a length of material, such as a blade. This causes the orbits to expand and overtake much of the empty space that normally exists around atoms, and when properly tuned cause the orbits to overlap, locking the atoms together like particle chainmail. This creates an impossibly strong bond that is compared to the entire blade being a single subatomic particle as far as physics treats it. The resonance is also destructive to any material that it doesn't match, causing matter contacting the harmonized blade to spontaneously heat to extreme temperatures and essentially liquefy as it vibrates apart at a molecular level. The combination of the two effects allows a High-Freq sword made of pretty much anything to cut through titanium as though it were room-temperature butter. Blocking a High-Freq blade generally requires another High-Freq blade.
>>62916957Raiden can pick up a fucking building, that puts a huge asterisk on the whole "can cut through anything" argument.
>>62918769It's a much smaller asterisk than you think. One of the weapons you can get is a literal bokken, a wooden training sword outfitted with an HF module, and while it does less damage it still splits mecha in half.The details of how the HF tech works is buried in optional missable codec calls with your team back at base. But Jetstream Sam's sword was made from a historical family heirloom, so even antique Japanese museum pieces can be turned basically into lightsabers. Armstrong grabbing your sword mid-swing and snapping it off was a much bigger flex than is obvious; additional missable calls during that fight speculate that his whole body's nanite tech is operating as an HF entity.
>>62918921>One of the weapons you can get is a literal bokken, a wooden training sword outfitted with an HF module, and while it does less damage it still splits mecha in half.Optional weapons are never Canon, and even if it was, that STILL is being swung by a guy who can throw fucking buildings, so my comment STILL applies.It's like you thought I made a different argument and had a prepared statement for that imaginary argument.
>optional weapons are never canonOkay so you're operating from your own reality where things don't count because you say so.Your comment is retarded on its face but I was trying to be polite about it. If it were just a function of Raiden's physical strength than the sword would just explode on impact. Moreover, how the HF weapons work is EXPLICITLY outlined in codec calls, so now you're beating your fists against what you decided was canon because you either don't know or don't like the core material. No (You) for you.Faggot.
>>62914960/tg/... home...
>>62918956>Okay so you're operating from your own reality where things don't count because you say so.... no? We see Raiden in cutscenes, we know what he's using and when. We know he doesn't have any of the secondary weapons, because when he lost his sword he had to fight Armstrong hand to hand and also because he doesn't have them on his body you fucking idiot.>If it were just a function of Raiden's physical strength than the sword would just explode on impact.>If it were justThis dumb nigger doesn't know what "With an asterisk" means lol.
>the prebaked CG cutscenes weren't re-rendered with every single weapon and armor combination and that means the entire equipment system in the game is non-canon because if it were, clearly they would have just done it all in-engine so we could SEE him using everythingTell me the game is older than you are without telling me the game is older than you are.
>>62913227Speaking of which, the Mahabharata had an interesting share of shit.
