So it's decided on that a realistic looking space warship would look something like this. But what if aliens with only slightly better technology designed a warship? It would obviously have to look similar, but what could visually differentiate it from a human warship?
>>62913193IFF I guess.
>>62913193Most of the differences would be on the inside, like if the aliens were octopi or something then obviously the interiors would be completely different to accommodate them.
>>62913193Like >>62913262 said, most differences would be on the inside. You could definitely have a techno-organic or underwater interior, all sorts of weird shit. Now, if the aliens are slightly more technologically advanced, they might have more elegant-looking but still plausible ships, like the Lighthuggers from Revelation Space. Literally just tack on some more radiators and boom, plausible alien spaceship.
>>62913314How do underwater aliens develop and use electricity?
>>62913518Eels in jars.
>>62913262land octopi?
>>62913193That thing looks like a dildo.
>>62913548Stranger things have happened.
>>62913549Scary ass space dildos
>>62913193>>62913571https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bct3MwkxE0Y&tA HUNDRED SUNS IGNITE THE LUNAR SKIES
>>62913193Magnetic nozzles for nuclear pulse propulsion, particulate radiators instead of solid radiators, and phased array laser dishes instead of turrets.
>>62913539Where's Saddam?
>>62913193It wouldn't matter because they wouldn't be able to reach our planet without several leaps in technology. Fission thermal engines are not even close to cutting. Exploring the galaxy with anything less than an ISP of 1 million? Forget it
>>62913193Different project but same vibe, made by a chink. Already has a few episodes up on his channel. Electronic warfare in this setting is pretty crazy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkF2zEzqWR4
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>>62913539This won't actually work. Go try in CoaDE. A single large nuke will just get focused down by kinetics and lasers and smaller missiles. Nukes have to get pretty close (a couple km even for really large ones) to knock out their target.
It would be made of GOOBGOOBGABGABEvery answer in this thread is retarded because an alien race would have a completely separate chain of cumulative technological progress. All technology is iterative, stacked on past achievements and time/resource investments. Their chain of tech iterations would be so unlike our own that the end result wouldn't even be worth imagining since everything man imaginations is just an abstraction of what he sees in his daily life/daily consumption of media.i.e. they would have GOOBGLABs built around a war doctrine of GORBBORBs with materails made up of PLAPPLOOBs. Fuck you. Have a picture of human dicks because that's all fiction c creators can make.
>>62914368Yeah basically this sort of thingThey could be significantly slimmer too if they had stronger lightweight materials
>>62913548No. Ocean octopi that built spaceships full of water.
>>62913193>So it's decided on that a realistic looking space warship would look something like this.It's really not.The problem with ChodE is that it suffer from rocketpunk / nasapunk dynamic.It has to pretend AI are incredibly low level, that rocket propulsion is incredibly efficient, has to buff up armor, downgrade missiles and laser, etc. All to attempt justifying a "conventional" warship that is barely more justified than Startrek designs.The politic consideration alone may remove the need for "space-warship". You might not afford anything to endanger space infrastructure and provoke a kessler effect to the point that any attempt at producing a dedicated warship will be met by everybody else declaring economic war on you, shutting you out of everything for even considering it, with your OWN military force pointing out that you are ruining their actual weapon which was economic/regulatory control of some key component.
>>62915079To get space octopi wouldn't they have to have space single shelled molluscs first? How does that work?
(continued)>>62913193>But what if aliens with only slightly better technology designed a warship?>It would obviously have to look similar, but what could visually differentiate it from a human warship?Form follow function.A hostile alien force do not require to defeat our "space force" to annihilate us, it could do so simply by destroying our biosphere.- Either by plain RKV impactor- Or by mass producing gigantic solar sail to hide the sun which we would be currently economically incapable of destroying, until our planet eco system freeze and we die trying to heat ourselves- Or even more simply by creating a bioweapon that make human go instinct and can travel to us through literally everything.
>>62913193colorgreen team/purple team theirs, white/gray team ours>>62914368>phased array laser dishes instead of turrets.That's a neat idea>>62915083>any attempt at producing a dedicated warship will be met by everybody else declaring economic war on youMaybe, but that's assuming that said weapons haven't been built/aren't in service already by the time such a formal or informal agreement can be made. Same as nuclear MAD. Also, though improbable, a hypothetical state that has economic, resource, and infrastructure independence both on the ground and in space can more or less just do whatever it wants. The only thing it has to fear is military retaliation by the other side, (and thus, the opposing side must also have at least a nominal space military force as a deterrent)
>>62915079how did Ocean octopi make tools/spaceship
>>62915160smelting in deep sea lava vents
>>62915160they used underwater fire to make them
>>62914987You clearly have no understanding of how GORBBORB technological progress follow the same fundamental rules as human technological as demonstrated by the UTTTYPOO study which you clearly didn't read.
>>62915175>>62915177two things1. how hot do ocean vents get2. how do ocean octopi get close enough to these vents to do this "forging" without dying
>>62914987>Their chain of tech iterations would be so unlike our own that the end result wouldn't even be worth imagining since everything man imaginations is just an abstraction of what he sees in his daily life/daily consumption of mediaGuys, aliens are using alien molecules and alien electrons that are different from Earth molecules and Earth electrons. We're gonna lose the spesswor because their electrons are gonna be so much better than ours. We must give up. Our physics is no match for their alien physics, it's too advanced. Our ships are gonna be made out of regular metals, plastics and aluminums, while theirs are likely gonna be alien metal, alien plastics, and alien aluminums that are better in every way despite having the same atomic structure. Because their physics is way better than ours.
>>62915194They're lava veins so as hot as lavaWater is a good insulator
>>62915212>yfw their physics is actually better than oursWould be embarrassing for you
>>62915212Nothing in that said the alien tech would be better, just that it would be different because it's progression was different.
>>62913193Perfect heat-to-energy conversion technology would eliminate the need for radiators and allow for continuous laserfire.
>>62915228I was jabbing more towards the idea that theorizing what alien tech would be like is a pointless endevour, because unless there is some really, REALLY wild shit going on in dark matter clouds our basis for physics is the same, which we can extrapolate from no matter how innacurate the end-result could be.
>>62915135>Maybe, but >Same as nuclear MAD.The irony is here... MAD weapon are meant to NEVER BE USED, to make all politico-economic solution preferable.And this is what the (unrealistic) conventional vision of a "space warship" would be in a thriving space infrastructure capable of producing one.At the very best, to meet you half-way, you aren't building a warship, you are building a mobile WMD-silo that only need human aboard if you want a shorter control loop with human in it.But AGAIN, you do not need this because it's probably the least efficient way to obtain any power or threaten everyone. Threatening everyone with WMD will only prevent others from killing you outright. If you want something from others, you need to give them something valuable in exchange they don't already have.The closest of a "warship" you could imagine would be a policing ship able to deactivate/neutralize illegal equipments that cannot deactivate remotely before it endanger anyone else.Given how dangerous would be a terrorist in space, you'd have multi-layered systems of off-switch and safe-mode preventing most of the cool event you see in SF.Hell, even attempting a blockade might be considered so dangerous all spaceships might have safe-mode to force them out of the way if used improperly.
>>62915286What would the tech look like if the aliens made the backbone of their tech light waves instead of electricity like we did? What if they leaned hard into bioengineering to solve problems we made tools for? Stuff like that is more what I felt that post was going for.
>>62915228>>62915286...and then it turn out alien tech progress was:>99.9999999999% equal to human, down to thing we thought needed crazy coincidence>...up to a very specific invention that THEN make alien tech progress so strange they literally cease to exist in our dimension (answering the Fermi paradox)
>>62915333>light waves instead of electricityThose are the same thing at different speeds. Light isn't able to perform the same tasks as electricity. It's like saying that you can turn a water-wheel with ice in winter.
>>62913193>realisticstill not enough surface area for heat rejection>>62915239Not as long as the 2nd law is in effect. And prayers to Lord Kelvin to change it remain unanswered.
>with only slightly better technology designed a warship>slightlyOn what scale?
>>62915381They aren't, photons are not electrons.
>>62914987No, we see how human tech trees have worked in isolation. There is more than one way to skin a cat but only so many and only one will be optimum in a space environment.>All technology is iterative, stacked on past achievements and time/resource investmentsNo. Technology swings and develops differently, as you yourself say, but what matters is the material conditions a civilization finds itself - wood civilisation uses wood, space civilisation uses dildos, discoballs and neon lights like a gay 70s disco. This is why humanity only discovered disco after the space race - beofre then getting funky was inconceivable.
>>62915454>He hasn't heard of Eco-DiscoThe wood civilisation knows how to get down with it just fine
it would also depend on tech level. An alien might not bother with all these lasers and fancy electronics and shit and just weld a cannon to a capsule and a solid rocket booster and huck 20 nuclear shells a minute
They will likely use solar sails, so...
>>62915724Nukes probably don't make much sense for a space faring race. You don't get a shockwave in space and nuclear weapons have to be larger which means they are harder to accelerate. But going fast and being hard to detect will be a plus for avoiding interception. It's possible to accelerate things much easier in space and if they are going fast enough it doesn't need any warhead.Even the Parker Space Probe is hitting at Mach 530. At relativistic speeds impact will result in heat high enough to result in fusion anyhow, although at close to light speed you go much hotter with impacts, literally tearing quarks apart, e.g. the LHC has slammed gold nuclei together at 99% of light speed.
>>62915454>>62915212There have been a few distinct points in our technological progression where we could have followed a different path that would have resulted in a very different sort of world completely inconsistent with the technologies we see in our own time.For instance, if we had embraced Tesla's proposal for wireless transmission of electricity, development of batteries would have probably ceased a century ago, as they'd be unnecessary. It's also entirely possible that computers wouldn't have advanced beyond the vacuum tube stage, because there'd be so much latent electrical charge in the air that the MOSFET just wouldn't work. At the same time, who knows what sorts of devices a civilization that followed that path might develop that we didn't, because of near-limitless access to energy without needing to carry it with you allows for all kinds of things that are impractical in our own time.
>>62916054This feels like a copypasta
>>62916054Not only are you a retarded tesla autist that thinks "wireless energy" means infinite energy somehow (lol), you've apparently never heard of a faraday cage.Are you the fag who was autistically spamming about sky scholar.
>>62915724That thing isn't more advanced than anything we could build today, in fact its worse since we could have had Orion drives or nuclear thermal rockets decades ago and NASA is looking at nuclear thermal again for future projects.
>>62913518>How do underwater aliens develop and use electricity?I was thinking a while back of how underwater aliens would develop. With humans we think of fire as the first invention. What is the underwater equivalent? Luminescent rocks. Being able to create light underwater. That is a radically different starting tech and would take them in a very different direction.
In real life space battles ships would be far away from each other, not up close dog fighting. So any type of rocket would be too easily intercepted. So nukes wouldn't work. You need to hit fast and for that you need a railgun. You also need to know exactly where the enemy won't be when you fire so drone sensors you can communicate with by laser link to not give away your position are critical. Now sure if you have fast warp projectiles like in Trek then anti matter weapons would be best, until you develop the quantum singularity canons. Large rail guns with lots of drone comm gear is what I imagine a warship would look like. Also drones to take out enemy drones. That part is a numbers game because they would be in the active detection field and very vulnerable to anti drone attacks.
cone of death for realistic humansglobe of death for more advanced ayyyys
>>62916706>"In real life space battles ships would be far away from each other, not up close dog fighting.">recommends railguns>anti matter weapons and "quantum singularity canons"Welcome back Sigmund Pseud
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They'll be engaging in both extremely long range missile and drone attacks from the other side of planetary orbits (far, far beyond line of sight) AND engaging in more short ranged orbital jousting utilizing traditional ballistics, lasers, rail/coilguns and the missiles if they're still a decent distance away. This includes nuclear weapons, which due to the vacuum of space become very good en masse when fired at a single ship, despite the explosive effects being mitigated. Nuclear missiles come through, hit the enemy ship, big flash, and either the enemy ship is ripped in half or the whipple shield is completely fucked, making the ship vulnerable to further attacksRead the COADE science blogs
>>62917184 is meant to reply to >>62916706
>>62913193>So it's decided on that a realistic looking space warship would look something like this.Huh? Decided by who?>But what if aliens with only slightly better technology designed a warship? Then you probably wouldn't be able to meet them ever.>It would obviously have to look similar, but what could visually differentiate it from a human warship?It would obviously not.This thread is gay and retarded and not related to weapons in any way.Sad.Try >>>/tg/
>>62917242>This thread is gay and retarded and not related to weapons in any wayHow to out yourself as low IQ as fast as possible
>>62913314>underwater interior,That would be a colossal, probably unsolvable, problem for the aliens. 1 cubic meter of air (earth atmosphere under SI conditions) weighs just under 1.5kg, whereas 1 cubic meter of water (pure H2O under the same conditions) weighs a metric tonne, i.e. 1000kg. To even have a hope of getting a manned vehicle into space, nothing fancy here just a Yuri Gagarin/Alan Shephard style mission, their rockets would need to be about a thousand times better than anything we've got today. Even if they can find a way to cheat that problem and get their spacecraft off planet and into the black their ships are going to be almost impossible to accelerate/decelerate compared to modern human spacecraft, all that extra mass doesn't just vanish when you turn the engines on. >tl;dr - even if they go out of their way to reduce the volume of the crew accessible/pressurised compartments of their space ships they're still dealing with enough weight that they'd probably reach the conclusion that space-flight was impossible outside of entirely unmanned probes
>>62916484It's a human jury rigged space fighter made with 80s tech used in a last ditch hail mary assault against the alien mothership, no shit there's better alternatives.
>>62917474First, why do the aliens need the water?
>>62916484>we could have had Orion drives or nuclear thermal rockets decades ago and NASA is looking at nuclear thermal again for future projects.no. unless it's built or deployed, it's a proposal.
>>62918291If they're going to need to fill their living environment with water I'd assume that it's because they're an aquatic species.
>>62915955>yfw first contact is a giant green man in a pirate hat congratulating us on finally making kroozers>he smiles and tells us (now weez can have a propa scrap, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH).
>>62913539Manned torpedoes will be back!
>>62918331They'd just make a water couch to occupy and leave the rest of the interior in atmosphere or even just nitrogen. Or have a water breathing apparatus. There's no need for a flooded interior, that's the octo-TV space operas talking.
>>62916706Bait used to be believable
>>62915397>still not enough surface area for heat rejectionNot necessarily, radiator wattage scales with the 4th power of its temperature. You can run your radiators red-hot with heat pumps and reject massive amounts of heat with relatively small radiators
>>62918603You've got to consider the pressure that would put on the crew, as well as the multiple extra failure points you've just built into your rocket there.
>>62918661>You've got to consider the pressure that would put on the crewAn aquatic species would not be strangers to water pressure.
>>62916484you don't know what that's from, do you?
>>62919793gunbuster?
>>62915947Just looking at this image and I can hear the 'BLEEEWWWP' sound the shock cannons makeIt's so different from any other scifi weapon sfx, it always gets me hyped
>>62916917You madman
>>62913523>mfw remembering this is basically what Volta did
>>62916706>He doesn't know about macron gunsHave fun getting dusted by thousands/millions of micro-scale packets of fission/fusion particles moving at 8% the speed of light.
>>62919818>so chinese cartoonNo
>>62919638Sorry, pressure as in 'workload' and 'reduced capacity' rather than PSI.
>>62913193Spherical. Best volume to surface area ratio.
>>62920543Forgot pic.
>>62920543Larger target and more area to actually armor. A needle shaped spacecraft is a small target, especially when point on with the enemy, and is less likely to catch micro-meteorites
>>62913314Did the book ever explain why humanity doesn't have wormholes to travel between solar systems, but its okay for Lighthuggers to literally used wormholes connected to the literal big bang as thrusters?
>>62913605That is fucking awesome. What is this?
>>62920730sphere works best if you're more advanced, which op states. you keep your power generation in the core of the sphere, and the rest of the vessel is "equal" along all dimensions.
>>62920803its made in ksp
>>62920895I am in fucking awe.
>>62920739Probably because shittons of superheated gas won't sue you if it gets mashed up a bit on the way. Also moving sideways between universes <> moving superluminally in this one so it might not even be that much faster. They do attempt FTL by inertia cancelling at one point but it goes badly. It's implied you can delete your entire species by fucking up enough.
