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>>62920248That your EMP? I’m thinking about snagging the 3” if there are any Black Friday deals.
>Just got from the range with the p226>Missed 6/50 rounds at 20ft-30ft range>12% missIs this good or bad, some of my shots were focused shots most shots were just me feeling confident and shooting relatively quick succession after putting sights on target
Is Winchester Service Grade 9mm g2g? Just picked up a case of it but I'm wondering if it too suffers from the QC issues that Winchester White Box seems to have.
>>62920286What kind of quality issues does white box have?I personally have never noticed any issues while shooting it so far.I've had one or two hard primers on the nato 124 grain white box but thats about it
>>62920286It is g2g anon. Never had a problem. Fair warning it's +P.
>>62920275See my response in the previous thread.
>>62920301I've seen other anons post horror stories, I personally haven't had anything too bad except for bullet setback a couple of times on the really cheap packaging like picrel.
>>62920331>"Missed" meaning missed a bullseye or A-zone? Or missed the paper completely? If you're hitting center mass you're fine but if you're winging shots off into the void from 30 feet, you really need to work on your fundamentals.Im not neccesarily hitting a zone, some shots land in the square others dont, it hits the person on the target, the shots arent winging off in the void the missed shots hit the paper but not the man on the paper.
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>>62920369I cant help but wonder if you oil your guns considering you have it on or around food all the time
>>62920286Sometimes the primer is hard and my gun with a lightened hammer spring cannot detonate it on the first try. Otherwise I have shot thousands of Service Grade without issue. It is high pressure, closer to +P+ then most, it chronographs at 1300 fps with a 115 grain out of a 5 inch barrel - Federal sells +P+ with that same weight and bullet speed but shooting both side by side the Federal +P+ is loaded hotter. But basically this shit is hotter than normal 9mm NATO/+P which is why I shoot it, the flat points make very nice round holes in targets vs round nose.
What's the best shooting compact 9mm duty gun? I can't shoot my pdp compact 4" got shit but love the size.
>>62920378One thing's for sure, he's giving himself cancer by putting food near guns all the time. Guns have all sorts of carcinogens, and should not be put near food.
>>62920271Looks like the 4.25" non-EMP Ronin.
>>62920391Glock 19
>>62920403Yeah I think you’re right since the slide has the standard lightning cuts while the EMP 4” has ball cuts.
>>62920391>duty guncop? security? our troopers just use Glock 17s iirc
kofe time. Will probably have to take the diggle out to shoot stuff at the dump with how much I've been posting about it
Would you guys be interested in seeing an 1895 teardown?
>>62920567Nah
>>62920567No.
>>62920567I'm good thanks anon.
Finished shooting my brigadier Beretta. It's pretty nice. Not quite my P226 Elite nice, but I can see why you guys like it.
>>62920567No but thanks for the offer
>>62920619Oh right, everything here at 15 yards with blazer brass 115g. I wish I shot more than once every few months :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dblkC4t97sHow much does the barrel porting in the middle effect the power of the round?Also how much does it reduce muzzle flip?I was thinking about copying this fat Bubbas build exactly
What converter to make vids to webm?I haven't done it in years.
>>62920637you should spend money on ammo and shoot it instead.
>>62920275You missed what size target?
>>62920619>MOA - maximum
>>62920637>How much does the barrel porting in the middle effect the power of the round?It reduces it by 30 watts
>>62920653It was a large target I have literally no idea what dimensionsIts one of those targets where the person on the target seems to be to scale
>>62920649>webm>he doesn't know
>>62920592>>62920596>>62920609>>62920629Very well, but I must say I'm a little disappointed. I thought this place liked classic handguns.
>>62920660Yeah I'm still a huge novice unfortunately. Might need to take some classes
>>62920378I oil rarely on schedule and rarer still reactively, but that's due to indoor relative humidity averaging the ideal of 50% in my stowage region>>62920678I'm a yuge fan of modern stuff myself
>>62920693>my stowage region
>>62920692Self-improvement is always good, whether you're a master or a novice. Someone once said, that the teacher is an eternal student. This was a true saying.
>>62920704>Local man found with 200+ handguns up ass
>>62920275That's not too bad, but my advice would be to bring it in to about 7 yards. That's considered practical hand gun shooting distance. Once you can keep 5 or 10 rounds in a fist sized group move it back to 15 yards and see if you can keep it in the size of your hand.Honestly, I really like shooting at long range, but that's what someone who was going to give you good advice would say. Keep shooting longer ranges if you want.Also, P226 is king of military side arms, excellent choice.
> Yeet cannon for 150 at classic firearms I'm almost tempted to add it to the collection
>>62920391If you are having trouble with a PDP compact switching to another gun probably won't help and if it does, something is wrong with that particular PDP. My experience is that they are really accurate with little input from the shooter. The only down side I'd the slide is so fat and that's only an issue for IWB.
Is there a significant difference between gray guns srt trigger and sigs srt trigger?
>>62920567Yeah, why not? It can't just be polyslop 24/7
>>62920678>I thought this place liked classic handguns.Hell no. This place is gunsoomer central. If it isn't current production shit being shilled on social media, it's called out as broke old crap unless it's a 1911 or 80s/90s Walther.
>>62920674I don't know what all retarded bullshit this site allows and doesn't allow anymore.I know it won't let me upload a 220mb video though.
>>62920678Make it and shill it on the catalog ffs
>>62920619>Not quite my P226 Elite Based and correct.Did that take down lever loosen up?
>>62920637Cute pig.This guy says it doesn't really matter in the guns he tested. https://youtu.be/z8PzOPuQEuk?si=NOUwkT4y0wXTpbEtThis article says 31%https://gundigest.com/article/ported-barrel-reduce-recoilSo who the fuck knows?I don't care for compped or ported pistols, but if you like them, go for it.
>>62920649You can upload mp4s now, but the file sizes is still 4mb or less, I believe.
>>62920693Sell me that P5 compactI need a nice slim DA/SAIt’s not an L102A1 but it will have to do for now
>>62920649>>62920794Boram is a pretty simple GUI for ffmpeg. You can edit or add ffmpeg commands before encoding if you need additional control but if you do you need to do that as a last step as changing settings will re-write the command lines you enter manuallyhttps://github.com/Kagami/boram/releases4chong allows 3MB file size on most boards, I think video boards up to 5mb with vp8 or vp9 audio. No audio on /k/ or most boards. Auto settings will work okay, if you don't know anything just set "limit" to 2 or 3 (MB) in the Codec tab then encode>>62920860Hecccc noo I spent years trying to find that sucka!
>>62920754Grey guns SRT is better in both overtravel and reset, plus pull weightSIG SRT is only improved in terms of resetNeither greatly affects the double action unless you change out springs
>>62920692Don't worry about it chief. You got the guns. You shot the guns. You are doing the thing. Doing things is cool.I strongly suggest you watch some YouTube videos on dry fire and do a buch of dry fire practice. It will help a lot. It really helped me with anticipating the shot and getting my grip right. You have the benefit of having DA capability guns, so once you can keep the front sight still in SA, switch over to DA practice. DA practice will absolutely help you get your grip right. I like doing dry practice with my PPK because it's really hard to keep the sights steady but when I jump on the P229 Elite I'm shooting much better. Just keep at it.
>>62920868Burt pleeeeeeease, you got to help a brother out!If I can’t get the P5c, what are my other options for a nice small DA/SA like that?
>>62920754>Is there a significant difference between gray guns srt trigger and sigs srt trigger?I would like to know this. The SIG stock trigger is pretty damn nice and the SRT is pretty sweet. If the Gray Guns is even better that's impressive.
>>62920754>>62920900The actual triggers themselves are both adjustable but the newest gray guns triggers are adjustable for both pre travel and over travel while the legions are only over travel IIRC.
>store with the gun I want hasn’t reopened after the divorce yetalright I guess i’m actually gonna buy a gun online. I just didn’t want to pay the $43 transfer fee that the other local store has.
>>62920948This is my P229 Stainless Elite and it blows my mind to think there is room to improve the SA trigger. I've shot revolvers and 1911s with lighter triggers, but nothing I would want to carry and the rest is really, really good. I'm tempted to get it and drop it in my regular P229 just to see what it like.>>62920877
>>62920893Sig P225, or a regular P5 would be more accessible at the expense of a little more barrel length, a Sig P239 would be a little smaller particularly in width. None of these are that small though
>>62920964>$43 transfer fee that the other local store has.Damn, dude. Do you live in a remote area or a restrictive state?https://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/indexAlso, sorry about the divorce, bro.
>>62920969Isn’t the P239 also out of production?
Let's see how this worked
>>62920980Eh turned out like shit, fukkin gay
>>62920979They have all been out of production for a long time>>629209802 minutes is a LOT to ask out of 3MB even at half resolution, and the changing terrain/angles/lighting (movement) is a lot to ask of compression as well. I know you want to have it be contiguous and editing is annoying because then you're adding a ton of compression noise and massive compute time to re-encode twice but it is what it is. Also the noisier your initial footage is the worse it will look and the larger the final size because it's trying to preserve that useless, unwanted detail.I've found a good compromise bitrate to be 2500 with a vertical resolution of ~700.
>>62920999*1500k not 2500k
Berettafags on full censorship patrol after getting btfo by digits. Pathetic, truly pathetic.
>>62920271>>62920403Correct, it's the Ronin. I like it. It's noticeably better fit than my Tisas>>62920341>>62920301i have not had quality issues with white box BUT i have found it to be filthy, like just fuckin completely grimy. stopped buying it years ago. blazer brass is the best value 9mm IMO. i have gone through about 10k per year for the last few years with no issues
>>62921036Berettafags being a cunt?Many such cases
>>62920972I’m not in a restrictive state, but i’m semi-remote.The real problem is that the stores around me are all on boomer ass unemployment hours. The only one open on Saturday is the one closed for the divorce, and the others are all like 10am-5pm.I have a bass pro nearby that has what I want but it’s $600 whereas on gun.deals I regularly see it going for the low $500’s.
>>62920980Anyways, I was out hunting and did some shooting, g19 mos with EPS at 30m and 75m, and a g26 at 30m, all were OK groups for the distance.Also pushed my AR out to 780yds, 16" BCM, milspec trigger, with M855, shot a ~2.2 MOA group
>>62921054I never realized that it's literally the Berettafags. Everyone else ITT, I could live with. Tripfag Burts and Lubes, queer dogtroon homos, everyone. It's unironically the Berettafags that shit up the thread more than anyone else. Why don't they just make Beretta general, and leave us the fuck alone? They're worse than Siggers
>>62921078Because the berettafags are contrarians, they only feel special if they are in the minority, a beretra general would make them the majority, and then they can't be special snowflakes.
>weednigger is raging against berettafags because they report him and he got quads once so now he screenshotted his own quads (ultra cringe) and is replying to himself and false flaggingcan this get any more pathetic?
>>62921100Reporting is still the most pathetic thing
>>62921100You do know what they say about snitches?
>>62921104The only people who report are petty autists/narcissistsI have been banned for hard shitting on self unaware posters like pp fag and the fagretta poster atleast 3 times now because they psychologically cannot handle being wrong and called out or told to shut the fuck up and post about guns instead of whatever gay fag shit they are posting about
>>62921115>petty autists/narcissistsSo 9 out of 10 Beretta owners on /k/?
>>62921117I have no idea, the only Beretta owner I know is that fag autist that spams the thread with porn
>>62921123The Beretta fags are the ones who spam reports on anything they dislike. They're such virgins that they'd rather do 10 extra captchas just because someone posted a dissenting opinion. I don't think there's anyone else ITT who acts like that, because no one else needs to employ censorship for validation. This backseat modding crap is hall-monitor virgin tier.
>>62921115Is this bait to get them to respond? Or are you just giving out free attention? Post guns instead of yous.
>>62921084The insane thing is that as soon as I realized that it was the Berettafags backseat modding my posts, I made that post about it, and it instantly got quads. I hadn't made any other posts about Berettafags prior to that, because I assumed they were, you know, normal people. Boy was I wrong about that! Digits confirm it all to be true!
>>62921132>Post gunsBiggest bait /k/ ever invented
>>62921132Did I hit a nerve?
>>62921132Is the serial number defaced on that thing? If so, based.
>>62921153Aren't you gonna call your boyfriends in the FBI?
>>62921155Yes
>>62921153It's a pawn shop gun I copped for like 400 a few years back. It lived under the sink in some boomers RV. The other side looks worse, I put the grips on after getting it.
>>62921163Hell, it looks like a good gun and I would have scooped it up at that price for sure.
>>62921132Its just gunless weednigger again.
>>62921162>FBI calls anon after he reports tip>>yes this is Agent Hernandez>agent, there's this poster on 4chan, and-->>anon, you forgot your firearm at the gay orgy last night>b-but->>yes anon, you had quite the butt indeed, took 12 men to bring you down
>>62921182That gunless nigger challenged you to a 1v1, and you pussied out.
>>62921193If you stopped hosting gay orgies I'd stop going to them.
>>629202489mm or 22lr for my first gun? I don’t need immediate protection, I just want to get what’s best for learning to shoot properly
Fun fact, the serial # can be found elsewhere on the weapon, so defacing the externally-facing serial doesn't count as fully removing it. It just makes it so you have to actually disassemble the gun to find the serial. Kind of like the VIN on a car, it's found in many spots. The more you know.
>>62921215You can learn with 9mm
>>62921215Either one's a great choice, either one's 100% viable for self-defense, either one is great for learning to shoot, and either one is great for experienced shooters as well. Neither round is expensive, either. >9mm Better vs hostile people due to higher power. Also viable against bears and moose, not that you'll ever encounter one of those.>22lrBetter if you're Bear Grylls, surviving deep in the woods, and you need to shoot turkeys or squirrels to eat. You can carry virtually infinite 22lr without even noticing. Also better for plinking, due to lower cost and less sound.
>>62921215You should look into 8x22mm Nambu.
>>62921224You "can learn" with anything. I learned to shoot handguns in 357, and I'd do it again.
>>62921215That's not even a question, 9mm
>>62921215what you need is a glock 19. ignore all other responses as they are contrarian retards.>braindead simply manual of arms>braindead simple to take apart and clean, so you can learn how it works>basically impossible to fuck up>learning on 9mm will teach you good recoil control>trigger will not baby you and will teach you proper technique>can carry it once you are proficient enough, if you wish to do so
>>62921255thanks
>>62921255>can carry it once you are proficient enough, if you wish to do soYou can carry anything at any point, anon. Staying safe is more about not doing stupid shit like leaving your car running while you're out of it. We don't live in Japan, after all.
>>62921259You shouldn't listen to that guy because he's a shitposting weednigger who doesn't even have guns.
>>62921255>>basically impossible to fuck upall the glock legs, people who died because you have to pull the trigger to take it down, holstering it loaded is basically doing rocket surgerydo you have one?
>>62921265That doesn't seem like a thing Japanese would do.
>>62921270I think me means break it, nigger nuts.
>>62921270> people who died because you have to pull the trigger to take it downThat's called natural selection anon, if you cant properly check that your pistol is unloaded than you're an utter neanderthal
>>62921268>he's in the WALLS man!!!I didn't make the post about Glocks, retard. I admit I like Glocks, but I'm not the only one who likes Glocks. You actually need to take your meds or smoke a joint. You are very, very unwell. As broken a buck as I ever saw.>I don't have any gunsIf I had no guns, you wouldn't be this scared of me and my holy Bulldog>>62921272No, I meant that in Japanese society, you can leave your car running and it won't get nigged instantly like the absolute 3rd world country that is Philly
>>62921281Yes but impossible to fuck up cannot be true if people have literally died because of it and police agencies request guns that you specifically don't take it down like a glock where you have to pull the trigger to decock the striker.
>>62921215The thing about .22 is after 50 shots everyone learns how to line up sights and when/how to pull the trigger (probably more like 10 shots) but you can't learn recoil control at all. While you can perpetually improve yourself with .22 or dry fire, and .22 is always fun, recoil control is the hard part and what you will be fighting forever.But without someone in your ear to quickly iterate your improvements and motivate your mental control, learning on centerfire is going to be much harder and slower. In this way .22 is better.Can you get both? A Taurus TX22 is like $220.
>>62921289Not the anon you're arguing with, but who cares if a gun filters the bottom of the barrel retards? If you're so retarded that you KYS during Glock disassembly, you really, really ought to be wielding a tree branch instead of a firearm.
>>62921287You’re right, so instead police agencies just get guns that go off on their own in the holster instead. Many such cases.
>>62921296I'm saying the "impossible to fuck up" cannot be fucking true retard.
>>62921289Jesus, dude. Do you have any idea how much ofca reddit fag you sound like right now? Have you been having suicidal thoughts? Because you should.
>>62921302>>62921289
>>62921294Yeah I can get both but I will get only one to start with. You’re saying 9mm is harder to learn, so would 22 be a better start?
>>62921318My brother in Christ, just get 9mm Glock 19, you will always have a place for it and it will be sufficient enough for self defense / home defense if you choose to carry it. Furthermore, the ammo is cheap so you can practice more. The recoil isn’t bad.
>>62921318The main things you need to know about shooting are grip, trigger pull, and recoil control.A .22 will teach you grip and trigger pull, but .22 is such a low recoiling round that anything else will make your recoil control worthless. It's like this every time you step up to a significantly more powerful caliber, but since you will most likely be carrying 9mm for serious self defense, why not just start on it? Go to a range, pay the $25 or whatever flat rental fee, and run a couple boxes through the various handguns to see what you like. Glock 19 is considered the go-to but there are other options now like the CZ P10, Walther PDP, and Smith and Wesson M&P2.0 that offer more for the same money.
>>629213269mm aint $0.08 cheap anymore.22 will always win there
>>62921327Eh, ‘offer more’ is subjective in this case. Mags for the Glock, parts availability, and cost for said parts far outweighs any of the other options suggested. I agree those are all solid choices to suggest to anon though
>>62921335The average gun owner will not use their gun to the point where replacing parts will be an issue. And if it is, then it will be such a long time that they could probably afford to just get an entirely new gun. I doubt anon is some operator or comp shooter who is going to be blowing through 10k rounds a year. Most modern handguns are good enough that if you can run 1 box through it on the day you get it without problems, it will probably never have a problem.Most of the stuff you listed is great for an enthusiast but for a first-time gun buyer, getting 6 mags, replacement sights and repair parts, etc. is basically useless. He should try to get the gun he likes best out of the box, period.
>>62921318.22 lr will be better to start. It's just more economical, if you start with a 9mm you're just wasting ammo compared to a traditional .22lr -> 9mm process in my opinion. You first should start on the basics of sight alignment and trigger control. Everyone will have a flinch since there is an explosion happening in your face but fighting the flinch with a .22lr will be easier since it's alot weaker. You should get a .22lr that can do both iron sights and shooting with a red dot. Shooting with a red dot is just better. You should get a 9mm or try one at the range (rental) as soon as you can put your rounds in a ~2-3 sized group at 7 yards. You should look up dry fire practice since it is by far the most important thing to do to learn to shoot. I seriously doubt half the posters replying to you know how to shoot reading their posts. Any hobby is like this, very arrogant aggressive retards want you to do what they think is right. Burt's suggest of a TX22 is good.With a red dot you can dry fire practice more effectively since the red dot gives alot more feedback what you trigger finger does than irons.
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>>62921347You can dry fire and mount red dots on 9mm handguns.
>>62921318Ideally yes, but not if it's going to be like several months between your two purchases. If that's the case a 9mm now, with much learning effort on your part, would probably be a better choice. But .22 will ease you in better and give you a solid foundation of shooting skills much faster without having to contend with your lizard brain on recoil>>62921335>cost of magsStop propagating this as a reason to buy anything, it's asinine. Price difference is like $10 per mag, if you're buying 3 extra mags that's a $30 difference up front, whoopty doo. Absolutely not a valid reason to buy ANY gun over any other gun, almost all other reasons have more weight. Maybe if other mags were $90 and Glock mags were $20 that would be a reason but they aren'tAlso>glocks are braindead nothing ever breaks>parts are cheapThen why do parts cost matter?
>>62921268i don't know what the fuck you're talking about, i'm not whoever you think i am. anyways here's a 17gen5 that i got as some cheap copsurp>>62921270several, pic related. i did mean impossible to break it as >>62921280 eloquently pointed out. obviously any gun is dangerous if you're a fucking mongoloid and pull the trigger while pointing it at yourself. why do i even have to type this out?
>>62921352You can. But the reason to start .22 lr is so you can learn everything without having to fight recoil.
>>62921355>if you're a fucking mongoloid and pull the trigger while pointing it at yourself. why do i even have to type this out?why does the term "glock leg" exist then
>>62921358He will have to fight the recoil at some point, why not just get used to it from the start? Using .22 to learn to overcome flinching doesn't make sense because when he switches to another ammo type that is more powerful and louder, he will probably just flinch again.
>>62921304It's impossible to fuck up unless you're literally a woman, anon>women join police force>everything has to be retardproofed
Also, why do you guys act like 9mm has a lot of recoil?
>>629213859mm has significantly more recoil than .22.
>>62921358LmaoKys
>>62921392Managing recoil is one if the biggest factors of shooting a handgun effectively.Unless you are a 12 year old woman, there is no reason to buy a .22 lr pistol.
>>62921402That's why I am telling anon to start with 9mm, my confused friend.
>>62921367because creating a good foundation is better than creating a shaky one.
>>62921385Why do you act like it has none? Especially for a brand new shooter?
>>62921353Burt, I see you on this board all the time, but I have to disagree here. What you may perceive as minimal could make a big difference to someone else’s wallet. It’s still a reason however minimal. If anon was just going to go with one gun, for a first gun, Glock mags are absolutely everywhere and definitely cheaper than all other counter parts. It is still worth noting. > Then why do parts cost matter?Nothing will probably break, it’s just in case anon decides he wants to change parts on his gun? He doesn’t have to keep every part bone stock if he doesn’t want to. So long as it remains a reliable firearm I see no issue with it. That’s why people like Glock, because they do everything so well at their core.
>>62921404He can learn to dry fire with a 9mm.He can learn to use red dots with a 9mm.He can learn how to hold his gun with a 9mm.He can learn how the manage the recoil of a 9mm with a 9mm.If he starts with a .22, he will learn all these things, except how to manage the recoil of a 9mm. Then, he will have to buy a totally different gun, and 9mm ammo, to learn how to manage it. Why do that, when he could just learn how to shoot 9mm from the start? This is like putting kids in Special Ed. so they can catch up to all the other kids by going slower than them... does that make sense to you? It's retarded there and it's retarded here.
>>62921407Of course resident retard burt suggests wasing money on a 22
>>62921392Neither 22 nor 9mm has significant recoil.>>629214029mm isn't a high recoil cartridge either. >no reason to buy a 22lr pistolYou've been brainwashed by social media and YouTube. 22LR has plenty of use cases. It's the superior cartridge for hunting small game, it's way cheaper, and it's even more plentily available than 9mm. You're just trying to stir up shit by proclaiming that 9mm is the superior choice, and anyone who disagrees is wrong. You do the exact same thing when someone chooses .45, .40, or 10mm over 9mm. You go full autist rage, because such a decision goes against your mental programming. You're essentially a zombie, anon. >muh defacto standardWho cares what trannies and women in the military and police force use?
>>62921425>9mm has more recoil than .22>"NO, THEY BOTH HAVE LOW RECOIL"Yes, they both have low recoil, but one of them has significantly more recoil than the other, you retarded gorilla nigger faggot
>>62921413>If he starts with a .22, he will learn all these things, except how to manage the recoil of a 9mm. Then, he will have to buy a totally different gun, and 9mm ammo, to learn how to manage it.Can you PLEASE stop pretending like 9mm has significant recoil? A child could manage 9mm recoil. Besides, the gun's design and the cartridge power is the biggest influencing factor in recoil. If you meant what you said about "learning to manage muh recoil", then why not recommend a 10mm or a 45acp?
>>62921414many such cases
>>62920779you're just poor
>>62921425>>62921431Actual fucking retard or shitposter.This is why we need IDs and moderation, because faggots like this give out dangerous "knowledge."
>>62921413There's more to shooting than recoil control. He "could" do all those things with a 9mm at an extremely higher cost per round than .22 LR. .22 LR is 5-6 cents per round. 9mm is 23-25 cents per round.
>>62921428Neither 9mm not 22LR has any significant recoil. You're autistically splitting hairs here, and these ideas aren't even your own. They're just echoes from the chamber where you've been brainwashed. I for one, think anon's hands are strong enough to easily be able to handle both 9mm and 22LR easily. You act like 9mm is so fucking hard to shoot. I find that hilarious. The recoil in a 9mm is only hard to control if you're rapid-shooting +p out of a short barrel.
>>62921439>There's more to shooting than recoil control.Yeah, like trigger pull and grip, which you can learn on a 9mm, by dry firing and thus using no ammunition at all so the cost per round is irrelevant. You're just wrong. If he can only get 1 gun at the moment there is no reason for him to get a .22 handgun over a 9mm handgun. Anything a TX22 is going to teach him, a 9mm will teach him. You are just 100% wrong.
Hops CLP is one of the best lubes? Right? I’m buying some while on sale.Also dogmaxxing is so powerful that it lowered my basal blood sugar and blood pressure into technically being hypo for both. Or I might be sick. Idk.>>62921385I wouldn’t give a subcompact 9mm sussy to a weak woman as a first gun…>>62919975>>62921173https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jenCFLpCFxo it’s surprisingly compact. They look good and are famous for one shot stops too. I kinda want one. How bad is the recoil?
>>62921436>dangerous "knowledge"Seething autist is seething. You've been brainwashed into worshipping 9mm, and so you attack anyone who tells you it doesn't matter what small cartridge you use. What's so dangerous about considering 9mm, .380, and 22LR essentially the same thing? And what's so dangerous about stating that 9mm recoil is almost as negligible as 22lr? Are you unironically saying anon's going to get killed in da streetz if he doesn't listen to you?
>>62921443>and these ideas aren't even your own. They're just echoes from the chamber where you've been brainwashed>"9mm ackshully doesn't recoil any more than .22, that's just something everyone has heard, not a fact that has been known for literally over 100 years by anyone who's ever shot those two calibers"This is too much. These threads are unusable.
>>62921449(you)
>>62921455Sneeder
>gayboy appears to respond to weednigger posts from 2 threads ago and talk about the awesome one shot stopping power of .32
>>62921447>Yeah, like trigger pull and grip, which you can learn on a 9mm, by dry firing and thus using no ammunition at all so the cost per round is irrelevant.In hindsight you can come up with this. Practically from a no guns, I have no idea what background in shooting he has, doing so is not practical. He needs practical experience by shooting hundreds of rounds before learning how the concepts of how sight alignment, trigger control, actually work. You can spout theory how dry firing your glock is the only thing you need to do to learn to shoot since it can work all the concepts but as a noguns they won't even know what they're doing. >Anything a TX22 is going to teach him, a 9mm will teach himYes. At what cost? How many rounds is he going to waste? Maybe it'll be fun just blasting holes in paper but it'll be a while before he actually groups maybe.
>>62921365>why does the term "glock leg" exist thenBecause leather holsters aren't very good. That's why we replaced them with plastic, nigger nuts.
>>62921465>He needs practical experience by shooting hundreds of rounds before learning how the concepts of how sight alignment, trigger control, actually workAnon that's really fucking stupid. There's nothing more to say. That's just retarded.Just shut the fuck up and be ashamed.
>>62921454>acting like there's a significant difference in recoil between two small calibersYou're like one of those retards who goes on a spergout over nothing. It's like, if anon were trying to buy a bike so he could learn to ride. He's looking at two very similar bikes, only one has slightly smaller wheels than the other. You'd be recommending, with a seething passion, the wheel that's 1 inch larger, and calling anyone who disagrees retarded. Especially, you're mad at the people who say that it's basically the same fucking bike in the end, and it doesn't matter what you choose, because you'll learn to ride the bike either way. You're belligerently splitting hairs, in favor of your own personal views and previous decisions. You're projecting unto anon what you see is your own correct choice, when it really doesn't matter which choice anon makes.
>>62921435You just have poor taste.
>>6292121545 ACP
>>62921463Fuck off faggot, I'm not giving him anything but a token (you). You act like I want to talk to that subhuman freak of nature.
Ha ha, fagotts one and all.Just get the 9mm, newfren and never, ever come back to this shit pit of retardation.
>>62921478Yeah, if you've made all the correct bets in the stock market and you've got Cadillac money, then go ahead and train with .45 all you want.
Newfren, do whatever you feel like. Don't listen to the others. It doesn't matter which gun you buy first, whether it's 9mm, 22LR, 380, or anything else under the sun. It doesn't matter whatsoever. If you enjoy it, that's what matters. Don't listen to the angry virgins, they all have agendas to push.
>>62921215>9mm or 22lr for my first gun?Don't let anyone tell you what you want because they are just going to tell you what they want. Then you will end up with what they want instead of what you want.
>>62921515Based "go with the flow" anon. Only by relinquishing control over others, can we get the faculty to do as we please.
>>62921349Have any plans for those two Berettas? Why the Hogue wood on one and then the Beretta Wood on the other?
>>62921522>Why the Hogue wood on one and then the Beretta Wood on the other?Because they feel different when anon pushes them up his rectum
>go to LGS>hold beretta 92x>feels like shit>trigger is shit>buy glock 20 and enjoy life
>>62921557It feels like shit in your hands if you're straight, that's how all Berettas are apparently.
>>62921557Never happened lool
>>62921606Burt, how well did the Vortex Defender XL work on your Prodigy? Were the stock iron sights tall enough to be visible? Does the overhang at the front help at all to keep gas and shit from getting on the lens? Thinking about getting the Compdot which seems basically the same as the XL.
>>62921617Sights are easily visible but it's very minimal cowitness because the XL has a DeltapointProlike deck height. It's like 1/6 cowitness lolAlso hell no the overhang does NOTHING LOL to the point that I'm about to send my barrel out to have the LCI hole welded shutAlso what the heck is the Compdot? Why would Vortex have two identical competing products and why isn't it listed under their red dots on the website? Was that was the XL was called before being called XL or something? The SKU does not come up in gun.deals either. tl;dr what's the difference?
>>62920393That’s only the California compliant models that you have to worry about.
>>62921483You could buy three identical 1911s in different calibers, and shoot 22 lr 50% of the time, 9mm 30% of the time, and 45 ACP 20% of the time.
>>62921617Woah.https://www.scheels.com/p/vortex-compdot-red-dot/875874-CMPDT-MRD5/
>>62921653how important is cowitness on a handgun? is it just do they it the dot ever does your used to bringing it up to that height and still have your irons where you expect rather thank barely parking over the bottom border of the dot screen thing at best?
>>62921653Fug. I guess it's not far enough forward to block the hole and just winds up closer. Was the 508 any better in that regard? Supposedly it was around months before the XL and is "limited distribution". https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-compdot-red-dot+reticle-5~MOA~Dot>>62921668I know lol; that's why I was considering it. The 407 with the 3 MOA dot is also really cheap now too.
>>62921668Also realized you already found the page. Whoops
>>62921682>>62921693It's super subjective. If you're a tactical timmy, a prominent cowitness is important. I personally don't value a cowitness at all on a handgun, while a front sight can be beneficial for presentation without being obstructive, I don't like a rear at all and I'd rather have none in most cases. In the case of the Prodigy I don't think there's enough of a cowitness for it to be useful for presentation like you're describing, but again it's subjectiveOn the Prodigy the Swampfox and Holosun I previously had would accumulate carbon on the whole lens rather than mostly the center above the LCI, and it was much slower to accumulate than on the XL. The Prodigy LCI combined with the XL's forward lens is the perfect storm. But it cleans off, it's just annoying because it's really bad after only 300 rounds or so
>>62920727I was shooting from about 7 yards though lol
>>62921706Which Swampfox was it? They do make one where the lens is set back quite a bit from the overhang which seems like it should help.
>>62921783An older gen 1 Liberty... or Justice... whichever one is smaller lol
>>62920797I think a smidge! I don't need my magazine baseplate or a screwdriver to force the thing down now so it's a definite improvement at this point.>>62920711>>62920877Thanks brothas, shooting really is such a fun little activity and I'm enjoying the learning process.
