It's real.The specs of the weapons are still being clarified but the Vietnamese are really stressing the fact that the turbojet engine they made wasn't the result of a transfer of technology or licensed production.Specs of VJE-01 turbojet engine:> Nominal thrust: 500 kgf> Weight: 100 kg> Fuel consumption: 1.2 kg/h> Speed: Mach 0.5 to 0.85The missile is of course also equipped with a homing head. Specs of VASK-03:> Frequency: Ku-Band> Detection range (for destroyer class): 20 km > Weight: 24.5 kg> Additional features: Software can be updated, has electronic warfare featuresThe missile is obviously launched from a TEL which is accomplished by a radar, command and control, and loader vehicle.Another thing to note is that the missile changed its name to VSM-01A. There are said to be other variants with longer ranges but the general range of the one shown is around 80 - 130 km. It was made to replace the aging P-15 Termit.
While on the topic of missile. The Vietnamese also show cased that they're attempting to create Anti-air missiles. Not much is known yet about its capabilities but people are saying that it's going to be based off of the Derby missile.The only thing known so far is that it'll use the Ku band frequency. This frequency ensures a clearer resolution but at the cost of range. Pls share your findings if anyone has more information on it.
Loitering munitions.The specs of both of these things seem very similar. They're reportedly domestically made.Specs of the one that resembles a ZALA Lancet:> Range: 10 km> Endurance: 10 minutes> Speed: ≤ 100 - 120 km/h (cruising), ≤ 150 km/h (attack)> Operational altitude (above ground level): 150 - 500 m> Max altitude (above mean sea level): 1 km> Max take-off weight: 10 kg> Warhead weight: 1.2 kg> CEP: ≤ 3 m> Control mode: Automatic, manual> Penetration: ≤ 250 mm> Production year: 2024> Operational features: Automatic search, identify, lock targets, uses magnetic sensors.Specs of the other one:> Range: 10 km> Endurance: 10 minutes> Speed: ≤ 60 - 80 km/h (cruising), ≤ 100 km/h (attack)> Operational altitude (above ground level): 150 - 500 m> Max altitude (above mean sea level): 1 km> Max take-off weight: 8 kg> Warhead weight: 1.2 kg> CEP: ≤ 2 m> Control mode: Automatic, manual> Penetration: ≤ 250 mm> Production year: 2024
that's neat, i love indigenous designs by smaller countries. what are the costs? multi-use? like a modular design with anti-fort warheads, anti-air and anti-ship?
Fire control system for the S-60. It's the radar is a ASEA and it's integrated with a FCS which is pretty impressive for a developing country like Vietnam.There's also another one to the very right but this one has a thermal or day/night sight or something idk. Someone correct me on this.
>>63054936> what are the costs?Extremely cheap anon. You see those XCB-01? Yes they're shitty but they cost as much as a Tesla cyber truck. They're MIC is apart of the government so there's no middle man like how it is in traditional MIC.But apart from that. They're working on an air deployment version of the anti-ship missile since they already have a naval version. They practically hinted it when they said there are multiple variants and I saw some pics about it like a while ago when the SEA anons were arguing about it.
Anti-tank/armor missile. There were around 5 variants of the missile. The only ones known are the Mk-180 (the biggest one on the left) and the Mk-140 (one in the middle). These missiles seem to have actually been created by a private company instead of the government.The specs aren't still exactly known but maybe some anon could update me on this.
Trainer/Patrol aircraft productions line.The aircraft is jointly developed by the Italians Flying Legend aviation company and Vietnam.The production rate is 10 - 12 aircraft annually.
Smart gun.The gun can connect to the internet so you can binge shows while waiting for the ambush.
Scopes.They can make their own sights now.
Vietnam having their own budding MIC is neat, goes to show you that they're not Southeast Asians but East Asians.You'd think a Thai, Pinoy, Indon or Malay would have their own MIC?
>>63055068> You'd think a Thai, Pinoy, Indon or Malay would have their own MIC?They're just not as motivated as the Vietnamese. The only other country in this list that even has something remotely close to a domestic MIC is Indonesia. They have a pretty decent military ship building industry but a lot of the electronics and hull components are exported from Europe. Vietnam's MIC is basically taking its very first steps but it looks promising. Their EW, radar, and missile technology definitely punches above their own rank but most products are still copies and that's a good thing. Vietnam doesn't have the budget to develop new weapons systems for everything so it's good to reverse engineer existing weapons and technologies.
>>63055068>You'd think a Thai, Pinoy, Indon or Malay would have their own MIC?Necessity is the motehr of invention. Vietnam borders China.
Well I guess the Vietnamese military aren't that bad after all
>>63054873>>63054893>>63054923>>63054951>>63054997>>63055040>>63055053>>63055063Lmao, imagine being born a Vietnamese of all countries lol.
>>63055140this is a really cool thread, thanks for posting it. cool seeing other people start to develop their own industries.
>>63056138Ever since Russia and Israel became unable to export arms, they've been going on a domestic production spree. Add in the fact that the Philippines are going relentlessly bullied but China, it's not hard to understand why they're so desperate to develop their MIC
>>63056203Why not just buy French or American or even turkish instead of trying this? None of them would oppose arming Viets against chinks and they don't have bad relations with either as far as i know.
Good thread on this hellboard for once
>>63056211>Why not justbecause only having 3 companies that make cool stuff is dumb and hopefully vietnam can do it cheaper and get some of the legacy companies to realize that 50 million per missile is fucking dumb and maybe they should lay off the blow to save money
>>63054997>camera on tele-stick plus rocket launcher thingwow, just like that american system fielded by ukraine
>>63056243What American system?
>>63056211> French or American or even turkishFrance and Turkey have like a million orders. By the time the Vietnamese successfully completes an order, the world is going to be moving on to building the next generation of weapons. Also, European weapon systems are extremely expensive. To put it into perspective, India brought the Su-30 production lines for about $1 billion. Serbia recently brought 12 Rafales for $2.9 billion. That's an insane amount of money that Vietnam just doesn't have. Vietnam could buy the Su-30 production lines and still have enough money to pump out a couple of Su-30s lol.Buying American weapons is a complex issue and it's one of the reasons why the F-16 deal likely fell through. Vietnam's proximity to China is a threat in itself and anything they do that could anger China is catastrophic. They would receive the Philippines treatment but on steroid.So in a way, the Vietnamese are forced to create their own MIC. There'll be some purchases here and there but most products will be domestic
>>63056212Thx I'm thinking of adding some more stuff. I saw some interesting updates such as a Vietnamese Pantsir, a stealth warship, anti-tank/armor claymore loool, a new modernized T-54/55 plan, etc
>>63056300I think he's talking about VAMPIRE.
>>63056420I can definitely see what he means. So how effective is this thing?
>>63056211Because after the (huge) initial investment your MIC can start making your nation money instead of always being a deficit, in addition to helping secure your nation's defense regardless of political shifts 15+ years from now, providing high paying jobs for specialist fields to encourage further economic growth and development, allowing your military to pick specialist equipment that other countries wouldn't need, (see; swedes and their meme tank and why it's a good design but only for them), the trickle down effects of MIC projects on non-military products, and just overall making your country more independent and relevant on the world stage.But without both a big enough budget to pay the initial costs and a competent enough government to ensure that the huge budgets don't just get embezzled or otherwise wasted it's simply not practical for most thirdies.
>>63056420>>63056499That's the one. there is footage of it hitting ruzzians, it getting hit by ruzzians in kursk(i think), and downing shaheds. There is another system called Land GR4 that is almost identical so I might be mixing up some of these clips but w/e.https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1bkxc14/3_shahed136s_being_intercepted_by_vampire_with/https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/15bg1xp/humvee_mounted_landlgr4_with_apkws_hits_enemy/
>>63056617Interesting, so it's basically an anti-UAV/Drone weapon. I can see how it could also be used against tanks
>>63056617The missiles might be a bit overkill against such a simple drone
>>63055170They also border Laos and Cambodia which are basically Chinese vassals at this point. Laos used to be deeply connected with Vietnam
EW.The amount of electronic warfare stuff they have is incredible. I think they already have an entire EW complex at this point
>>63056211I hate to be the one to bring up Ukraine, but it's a good example of why they wouldn't want to rely on other countries for their equipment. Foreign suppliers could easily put restrictions on how they can use the equipment because allied countries can still have differing interests.
>mass replyIs that the chink spammer?
>>63058619They understand its importance
>>63058730At least Ukraine can still make their some of their own missiles.
>>63058945Yes it's either the chink or the angry Cambodian. You'll see them show up on any Philippine or Vietnamese weapons thread just to seethe.
>>63058963What does modern electronic warfare even do?
>>63057536>The missiles might be a bit overkill against such a simple droneMaybe, maybe not, but they're just Hydra rockets with a guidance kit. The US has a shit ton of Hydra rockets, the rockets themselves are inexpensive, and the guidance kit is hardly breaking the bank. For the US, the system is actually a smart, inexpensive adaptation of existing dumb-rockets for multiple modern applications not typically meant for Hydras.
>>63059033>What does modern electronic warfare even do?NTA but if I were fighting some kind of guerilla war against a technologically superior opponent, I would try to jam as much of the electromagnetic spectrum as possible. Sure, you lose your radios, cell phones and communications, but if you know you are going to lose that stuff you can have another way of doing most of that stuff. Runners, motorcycle couriers, etc. And you losing that stuff means the other side just lost that stuff, and they also lost drones and other high tech gadgets they are probably rather dependent on.
>>63059166I guess that makes sense. I was thinking that they should maybe just use AAA as bullets are cheaper than missiles.
As a Vietnamese, it's truly fun to see how much the Indonesians have been seething these past couple of days. They can't cope with the fact that countries like Singapore, Malaysia, and soon even Vietnam are going to technologically surpass them.
>>63061922Pretty sure Singapore already surpassed them?
>>63062146Singapore is in a league of their own when it comes to technology.
>>63054873Makes me sad that Vietnam wouldn't have that old Soviet vibe as they continue to modernize
alright, near bed time, time for image dump
>>63054873on that matter, it puzzled me at first why the missile's fins are left unfoldedmaybe because they use a common size container-launcher box that fits the 2 other bigger variants, it probably also fit this smaller one, so there is no reason to add any extra fin-folding-mechanisms
>>63063828maybe this thing is also supposed to be carried under a hardpoint of a jet, a heli or a droneso again, no need for folded fins
>>63063846(alright, dumping the rest)>Captcha: H4WK
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>>63063942It kind of cool how slim the missile is. I've seen a Kh-35 before and that thing is obese
>>63054873that fuel consumption value is absolutely bullshit, it'd be a TSFC of 2.65 lb/h / 1100 lbf ~ 0.00241 lb/(lbf h) which is absolutely impossible. 2.65 lb/(lbf h) is a lot more believable though.
>>63064973Here are the specs I found on reddit
>>63065932>1.2 kg/(kgf h)Yeah, that's what I assumed, OP presumably missed the kgf which is pretty important. Not exactly great fuel efficiency. More in-line with a Jetcat tier engine than a cruise missile engine, though it seems to be axial flow.
>>63064925315mm size seems commonplace for a missile of that class (80km) though
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about time to repost the 7,62x39 Negev too
>>63066629AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I FORGOT THE IMAGE
that aside, there was also this one version >>63063846 that appeared with a dronenot sure about its size (could be smaller than that one)most notable to have a different layout of 4 air intakes
alright actually there is a spectrum of 60mm - 82mm - 100mm mortar shells>100mmsimilar to Chink mountain troop's 100mm mortar, not a problemi dont know if the longer or the shorter bomb type is the fragmentation type or the high-explosive type though
>>63066383> Not exactly great fuel efficiencyThis is Vietnam we're talking about anon. This country is more poor than Bangladesh, is comparable to that of the Philippines, and they're under sanctions. They some how managed to pull together the industry might to outperform certain European countries in manufacturing their own homegrown turbojet engine. This is a big deal for them and I would say that they outperformed for their first turbojet engine
>>63066669Do you have any info or pictures on the electronic warfare equipment and its specs?
>>63054873if you picked from that same qdnd.vn source, may as well post the rest
>>63066799electronic warfare specs are mostly confidential, no hope for that>>63066803
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>>63066799actually, best i can do is wanking on the homing seeker of the VSM-01A (VASK-03) >>63054873>Ku-band, or J-band in NATO-speech, is also used for the seeker of Harpoon, Exocet or RBS-15; as opposed to the ARGS-35 X-band seeker on the Kh-35Exocet seems like its accurate enough (?)>ARGS-35 has a detection range of 20km on the X-band; VASK-03 has the same 20km detection range on the more energy-intensive Ku-bandsafe to say the VASK-03 seeker has approximately double the power output of the ARGS-35 seeker
>>63066815>>63066855Okay interesting. I was interested in finding out their electronic warfare specs to compare it to other systems. >>63066855> Ku-band, or J-band in NATO-speechI heard this Indonesian reporter saying that the homing head is in X band, but they seem to be quite hostile against the Vietnamese these past couple of days and have been spreading disinformation when I checked it with official sources. I guess I just ran into another source of disinformation
Is the doggo part of the exhibition?
>>63066880nahhe is security>>63066876recently its mostly indonesians that have beef against us >>63061922 in the technological penis-measuring contest>i forgot where did this started from, though; maybe it was the leak about that Yugo-class spec-ops-delivery midget sub being cloned into the TN-75>which is not even rocket-science-level-of-difficult to achieve; even fucking North Korea & sanction-drown Iran managed to build their own midget submarines>anyway, that incident (& the TN-75's reported 200m operational depth) prompted indonesians to spam their teknology-transfered KRI Alugoro (of the Nagapasa class), the one that PT PAL assembled from ToT (UOOOH)>the beef is still continuing today
>>63066913Indonesian are assholes against the Singaporean and especially the Philippines. I've been keeping up with the South China Sea conflict and they get very aggressive whenever their neighbors obtains new armament. They've been bullying the Filipinos online a lot just because they're on a spending spree for arms as of currently.
>>63066913Can you give me the specs for the TN-75? I see that it's a 75 ton midget sub that can go to depths of 30 meters. Where was it built?
>>63066990>TN-75's specsjust look for the specs of the Yugo-class midget submarine, assume its a 1:1 replica made on a technological-engineering level equal to North Korea
>>63067030oops lol, sorryno offense to jawiri didnt notice the ¡и∂09 watermark
>>63067030 (me)alright>2 sources said the operational depth is ~120m>https://www.navypedia.org/ships/iran/iran_ss_yugo.htm>https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/s-yugo.htm
>>63056394adding the SET-40UE battery upgrade that brought its range from 8km to 11km (or from 4,3 -> 5,9 nautical miles)
>>63067060Vietnam can make their own torpedoes now?
>>63066788When your axial flow turbojet TSFC is comparable to a small scale centrifugal flow turbojet you've fucked up somewhere
>>63061922heya vietbro, how's life over there?
>>63055068Bruh, Thai has been producing domestic DTI-1 for almost a decade now.
>>63067334It's impressive but they collaborated with China to develop the MLRS. The Vietnamese over here are sperging out and reinventing their entire military with no collaboration from any foreign nation just to be a little bit more self reliant.
>>63067136I mean what can I really say. Their design specs isn't of course going to be breaking world records as their MIC is still in its infancy
>>63066383>>63067136>jetcat tier engine>fucked up somewherethat would have been a serious fuck up if we were Motor Sich, Pratt & Whitney or Safran unfortunately, we are literally 3rd world niggas with some access to CNC machines, 3D printers, AutoCAD & a wind tunnelyou clearly hold some high standard for us poor commies, if not an apple-to-orange comparison between a 100kg engine for cruise missiles vs a 5kg jet engine for drones>picrel is the RN01-SS's centrifugal-flow turbojet, this should be a more orange-to-orange comparison with a Jetcat-tier turbo engine
>>63067225Nothing unusual. Everything's normal over here
>>63067123thereotically, almostthere is this training torpedo designated "05NL.53HL" copied after the 53-56VA torpedo>upper right in picits capabilities are rather shitty in the modern day context, but it could still technically count as a self-made torpedo>also if the goal is training, you dont really need expensive torps with awesome specs
Its absolutely hilarious that Vietnam hates China but follows its historical path down to the T.
>>63070320there is also a reverse engineered sonar homing head of an unknown torpedo (i guess it belongs to the 400mm SET-40UE, judging from the size)
>>63070335> follows its historical path down to the TExplain.
>>63070320>>63070389I'm pretty sure that designing a torpedo is easier than making a cruise missile. They probably have a torpedo lying around somewhere
>>63070335the irony>technology copying>island buildingbut what could i say, these are all legit good strategies>>63070389
>>63070391not really historical path but more like similar political/strategic choices (albeit directing against each others)i guess having similar political regimes will producing similar policies>Deng Xiaoping (Đặng Tiểu Bình in VNmese)'s reforms >Đổi Mới reformsalso >>63070401
>>63070398torpedo & sonar news dont often making headlines like missile around heremy guess is that, either>the sonar - underwater weapon department is understaffed (compared to Viettel's radar, jet engine & missile lab), so the works there are sloweror>underwater weapons are more politically sensitive, so they dont often show up muchi lean into the former explanation though, the latter one sounds rather bullshit>>63070420i did guessed it was the 400mm torp also because the sonar homing head in picrel seems to have the same silver ring seperated the red-painted part from the black-coloured dome
>>63070420These photos seem like they already have a prototype or are working on one. I feel like Vietnam could have very powerful naval force if they continue to progress this quickly. I don't think Vietnam would become a blue water navy but I could definitely see them having a defacto carrier or a helicopter carrier in the far future. >>63070461Underwater weapons are definitely more sensitive. They're infinitesimally harder to detect and countries can blame each other for the attack. I saw pics of Viettel's radar systems and they're definitely very advanced. I heard there was an ASEA radar with an integrated FCS which is insanely impressive for a country like Vietnam to develop in its own. If they're able to develop radars this advance, then they're absolutely developing sonars for torpedoes
Does anybody here have an update on Vietnam's military corruption? It seems like they've been locking in as the SCS dispute has been getting more serious
>>63070620best i can provide are that some coast guard generals were prosecuted last year or the year before for something something corruption, that isoh and the Việt Á Covid testing kit, the anti-gov tards & anti-commie faggots living in Orange County won't shut up about that one
>>63070461>nevermind, why didnt i just fetch a clearer image from google>>63070487i only guessed underwater weapons like UUV & torpedoes are sensitive because SCS has like a shitload of submarines, mostly Chineseand any potential harm to Ching's underwater capability (including its SSBN fleet) would provoke the Ching
>>63070699manthe shape suggest these >>63070420 >>63070401 belong to a different sonar homing head but well, at least the orange-neck training SET-40UE are different from the green-neck warhead-carrying ones in picrel
>>63070699but, my theory that>any potential harm to Ching's boomer fleet would provoke the Chingdoesn't really hold much water because they are already being monitored by the US Navy from 3 domains (surface, underwater & air)and adding 4-8 more of picrel ASW corvettes into VN People' Navy certainly wouldn't help with that, but so far Ching has said nothing about this, so this theory must have been bogus
>>63070648I heard news of Vietnam sentence this woman to death after she stole 6% of Vietnam's GDP and how it may have to do with a reduction in corruption, including the military sector.
>>63070699Developing underwater weapon has the same levels of controversy as developing chemical weapons. >>63070699>>63070720Can you give the name and specs of these torpedos? And are they domestic manufactured?
>>63070933these torps might have been just original soviet torps, with modifications or not, so they probably have similar specs to the usual stuffsthe only possible domestically manufactured stuffs are probably some degraded electronic that get replaced with newer ones during repairs, probably not performing much better than the original electronics>type 53-56VA anti-ship torpedo>SET-40UE ASW torpedospecs come later, i gotta search it up a bit
>>63070923lolthe only part i remember from that incident is a meme>Trương (D.) Mỹ Lan probably confessed somewhere that most of the money has been hidden oversea>VNmese fags somehow took that and spinned it into an One Piss reference and began comparing her to Gol D. Roger
>>63070923>>63071123How the fuck do you steal 6% of the country's GDP?
>>63071123So are they getting that lost money back or what? If I was a communist dictator, I would be fuming if billions of my money got lost >>63071160Idk but it must have been absolute cinema to how she pulled it off
>>63071369>are we getting that lost money backno idea, but since it's now sitting oversea i guess getting it back is not easy in the slightessby the way, for >>63066799 anon, nevermind what i said, here are some i found in the expo
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>>63071401and here are the EW vehicles' pics
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>>63071396>>63071401I thought they would be in English but I guess I can just google translate it. But do you have any info on the development of the 30 mm auto cannon? I heard that Vietnam is also making the CIWS version
>>63054873>>63054893OP smells of ESL.All you had to do was put your post through an AI agent proofreader and we wouldn't have noticed, anon.
>>63071434well anon, i picked the ones with English translation (even though they are rather Engrish) you can look for the italics part if you squint hard enough>>63071413
>>63071440>ESLits rather obvious he is a VNmese, no way a Westoid would have known about VIETNAM DEFENSE EXPO 2024
>>63071440OP seems fine to me. I've seen grammar that's worse on Instagram for example. >>63071446It's fine. Google translate is pretty good these days
>>63071457Instagram is a full standard deviation lower in intelligence than most other places on the Internet. At least with IG it's usually pretty easy to tell if you're dealing with a jeet.OP used strange terms like "weapon made out of desperation" (Asians are fond of similar dramatic statements) and "while on the topic of missile" or "show cased".
>>63071465I guess, but these are pretty minor grammatical errors anyways. I still see tons of native speakers spell "alot" instead of "a lot" which is the correct form. I would say that OP did a pretty good job at writing a mini report for a non-English speaker.
>>63070933>>63071100>type 53-56VA torpedo- caliber 533mm, length ~7700mm- weight ~1900kg, explosive charge ~260kg- operational range 7,4km at 29 knots- guidance: likely acoustic homing, some source said wake-homing>SET-40UE ASW torpedo- caliber 400mm, length ~4500mm- weight ~550kg, explosive charge ~80kg- operational range ~8km at 29 knots (now has been upgraded with NMC lithium battery and can reach 11km at 29-30 knots); - operational depth: 20 - 200 meters deep- guidance: active/passive acoustic homing, detection range is 600 - 800 meters>>63071434>30mm autocannonthere are like 3 in development:>reverse engineered AK-630Mso far, only the gatling gun is confirmed to be done, but safe to assume the rest of the system are in trial phase too.>reverse engineered 2A42 autocannon on the BMP-2i saw less news on this one even compared to the AK-630's AO-18 gatling gun, pretty surprised (several years ago) that they went with the smoothbore 73mm instead of the 30mm autocannon. but well, the smoothbore 73mm 2A28 is good at lobbing HE-Frag shells at least.>reverse engineered AK-230 for air-burst/AHEAD anti-drone SPAAGits only a concept design for now: the guns are copied after the NN-30 of the AK-230 (which uses the 30x210mm shell instead of the common 30x165mm size later standardized in USSR service); my rationale here is that, the AK-230's NN-30 guns are already well-stabilized, they can mount electronics for the ABM/AHEAD mechanism.
>>63071582actually i am not sure about these specs of the 53-56VA torp (mainly the speed vs range)it could have been:>over 7,4km, up to 8km at 35-40 knots>a bit longer than that at 29 knotsthe 53-56V straight-running torpedo - that the 53-56VA was based on - for comparison, reachs 8km at 40 knots (and only 4km at 50 knots)
>>63056057Cry more wumao
