Second Reich EditionPost whatever you want, even plastic shit.Thread Question: What's a surp you enjoy that no one else seems to care for?Previous Thread: >>64078195
You guys think $3200 for a sanded Gewehr 43 with a polished/refinished receiver and cover is a reasonable ask or should I wait for something better in person and try and haggle down?Pic rel is the gun
>>64137742make sure you check the rear of the bolt and receiver for cracks.if the rifle is in a good shootable condition then that is a fair price.
Did I get scammed when I paid $600 for an Enfield No2 Mk1*? It's been refinished so I couldn't tell that it was an Enfield at first because the markings are all jacked up. Serial number is A7887, so fairly early run, but it's got the features of a *, so I guess it got changed up at some point when it got some repairs?
>>64137415>Thread Question: What's a surp you enjoy that no one else seems to care for?Yugoslavian guns. The Zastava M70 is in particular a really nice gun to shoot. (Not the AK Zastava M70). (Also I’m not talking about the Czech CZ-70 .32acp pistol, but the Zastava CZ M70 .32acp pistol)
>>64135314>>64135493>i'd sy anything under $5k is a deal and 6-7k would be full retailThanks guys. Last Gewehr 41 I saw go up for auction hit just over $10k with premium so I'm worried I might not get a chance to win this one given recent auction history.
>>64137954>I couldn't tell that it was an Enfield at first because the markings are all jacked upAre you legally blind?
>>64137988Just a little retarded. The guy selling it said it was a Webley, and I thought to myself "I don't know a lot about Webleys, but that doesn't seem like a terrible deal. What the hell, I'll buy it and do my research later." Probably not my smartest moment, but oh well
>>64137954bit of an overpay for a $400 gun, but if you're under the age of 65 you should live long enough that see it worth significantly more than you paid.>>64137970Yea, they're all over the place right now, the one at Rock Island had a scope too so that helped drive the bidding up. >>64137963my love of trashy spanish 32s is almost unsurpassed, pic unrelated
>>64137954for me its the webley
>>64137963I always thought the little M70s were kind of ugly, but now they’re growing on me and I’m mildly tempted to get one. I really enjoy shooting .32 ACP. The only .32 pistol I have is pic related (also have an Vz61 SBR.) Unfortunately it’s not super reliable. Sometimes it’ll get through a mag just fine. But sometimes I’ll have a FTF. I’ve replaced springs in both the pistol and my 2 mags but it’ll still have issues. It hasn’t bothered me enough to buy another mag and see if that’s the issue or dive deeper into the pistol to find the issue.
>>64137996>dat picWTF!?!? Did they shape the barrel profile with a fucking angle grinder???
>>64137996>>64138045They could be good looking guns if the Spaniards ever sharpened their chisels.
>>64137996>Yea, they're all over the place right now, the one at Rock Island had a scope too so that helped drive the bidding up.They certainly are, there was one on GB that hit $14k a few months back which was insane. Are M1941 Johnsons right around the sane price as a Gewehr 41?
>>64138115Johnsons seem to float anywhere between 6-8k these days
>>64138045looks like a handmade revolver
>>64138045its from Spain, so probably the hand tool equivalent >>64138082or if they tried making them while sober>>64138115Johnsons we skewing higher for awhile but now both are all over the place, if you can find either at $5k or less, id say buy it on the spot>>64138202it likely washttps://youtu.be/sLU_E3bmLDk?si=n3IPRcAGOPVxlnRe
>>64137742Eh. its not bad. Check the pics cause there is a crack behind the receiver. Its not a bad price, but its already on its last legs
>>64138765A bit much, also that is one crack too many, I think some superglue will fix that
>>64138765Yeah that’s what I was thinking, as much as I want one I think I’m just gonna pass till I found one I REALLY want
>Thread Question: What's a surp you enjoy that no one else seems to care for?Gewehr 88, everyone freaks out and says jewish rifle go explodey but its such a great rifle.
>>64140063no the stg wasnt build like shit as the g41/43 was
Holy fuck...This is a G33/40 btw(While I'm posting this how, much do normal G33/40's go for? Im thinking about buying one)
Anyone know if this is 9mm or if its been replaced by 30 luger?
>>64137954>It's been refinished looks like the original suncorite finish, i wouldn't worry about it>so I couldn't tell that it was an Enfield at first because the markings are all jacked upbruh you can just tell by the features alone>$600yes you overpaid
>>64137996>but if you're under the age of 65 you should live long enough that see it worth significantly more than you paid.peak boomer atitude
>>64140786This is a G33/40 btw.I will kick myself forever for not buying an original one for $900 in 2013 after a shop obtained some old guy's collection of 30 of them and priced them all to sell. He'd bought them all in the late 50's. Dude had a hell of an intuition, he saw other shops turning them into sporters back then and thought "Surely these kraut carbines will be worth something someday, they aren't as common as regular 98's."
>>64137415to be accurate:2nd reich was the holy roman empire (of german nation), i.e. austria in the long term. after charlemagne vienna was not always the capital, but berlin never was. berlin didnt even exist as a city at the time. the displayed guns and flag belong to the german (prusssian) empire. which was partly a part for certain times of the 2nd reich. but never "the" 2nd reich.1.reich romans2. reich charlemagne til habsburg throws the crown away to appease napoleon3.reich best reich
>>64140863>watches readiness reviews>has a dumb opinionchecks outguns are a tangible store of value, even the worthless ones tend to rise with inflation. these are facts, not "boomer attitude"
>>641408519mm
RSC I mentioned on the K98k forums a thread ago dropped to $9,000Might be able to get lucky and low ball him down to 8,500 or even 8,000
>>64142799sad to say but yea 8000-8500 would be a good deal after what they've been going for at auctionthats another one of my dream guns thats pricing itself out of my interest level
Ok so I found some g33/40's all for around 2,300 but I haven't been able to find much info on their pricing but do you guys think thats a good price for one thats matching?
>>64143607yea, anywhere from 1800-2500 is fair game with consideration given to numbers and condition
>>64138033I’ve ended up with like 8 32s in my collection. They’re all pretty fun to shoot. The Zastava M70s are funny because they’re a solid steel brick shooting .32 so it seems like there is less recoil than some of my .22s. I’ll carry a Beretta 3032 whenever I need something really small. I still need to repair this Dreyse I bought with a broken frame latch, but I can’t find a replacement anywhere.
I just ordered a surplus K31 from J&G sales, I remember buying these things when they were sub $200 from aimsurplus. I also remember buying GP11 for $160/case from Sportsmansguide. Now I want to drink alcohol.
>>64143914Are the m70s the cheapest surp on the market currently
>>64143914Interesting note on the M70. Could make it fun to shoot. With the Czech .32 ACP that has been imported lately, might be time to stock up on more ammo and get some more 32s. Do you have a Beretta 81? I remember a few years ago when Classic got them and priced them just over $200 and I kick myself for not getting one. I can easily afford one, but just haven’t really decided to find and buy one.
>>64144308>cutawaysI always see them at gunshops every now and then and wonder if they'd be cool to have as a wall hanger.
>>641414161st reich was holy rome2nd was imperial germany
i'll never be able to afford one, will i /msg/bros?
>>64137415>>64137415>What's a surp you enjoy that no one else seems to care for?I love Gew88sThe dutch beaumont vitalli
>>64145710Oh jeez, I thought non 9mm ones were supposed to be cheaper :(
>>64145710That’s not exactly a run-of-the-mill example.>>64145740It’s an earlier variation and marked by a London retailer. Both factors appealing to collectors.
>>64145710anytime you see a hammer description in a C96 listing just walk away
luv me Swede1909 model, converted to M/38 carbine pattern, she's my go-to rifle and I really need to shoot more often.At 116 years old this is easily my oldest possession which still has functional value, what is your oldest raifu anons?
>>64138143>Johnsons seem to float anywhere between 6-8k these days>>64138216>Johnsons we skewing higher for awhile but now both are all over the place, if you can find either at $5k or less, id say buy it on the spotThanks guys, I will keep that in mind. There's one of each in this collection that I was invited to look at, so trying to make a decision between the two when the owner finally decides to sell them.
>>64144373I can’t find them anymore. CZ-50 and CZ-70 32s seem to be getting imported right now though for $300. Those are DA/SA too.>>64144554If you can find an 81 that’s definitely the old 32 to get. I carried it for a bit, but now I mostly carry an 80X. You can also convert an 80X to 32acp and it accepts 81 mags. Beretta is supposed to start selling their own conversion kits and 32acp 80Xs at some point too.
I have a question about the sights used on the Swedish RollingBlock. The rifle I brought home yesterday has traces of target sights installed.There are two threaded holes and a rectangular print. Which roughly correspond to the sights in the attached picture. Does anyone know what type of sights these are?The furthest I traced to - Lyman rear peep - Model 66
>>64146241>what is your oldest raifu anons?Current oldest: Belgian(?) mystery meat 20ga SxS percussion gun, estimated date of manufacture 1850s.Oldest one I've owned: .50ish caliber wheel lock hunting rifle with a Nürnberg gun maker's guild mark, undated but probably made around 1600-1630.Loved that old wheel lock gun, but I regrettably had to sell it due to a series of unforeseen financial troubles. And yes, I did shoot it a few times.
>>64146241my oldest is unmarked but has features that date it anywhere from 1780-1830, but if I had to guess I'd lean towards the 1820s. Earliest marked gun is an 1830s German Jaeger rifle. >pic unrelated
>>64146241My 1855 Springfield rifled musket, the best gift I've ever received. She shoots better than I do but the sights are horribleTrigger sucks too you have to use the full length to get a decent pull
>>64146241>what is your oldest raifu anons?My Kropatschek from 1886
>>64146241>what is your oldest raifu anons?1884 Trapdoor. But hoping to pick up an unconverted Springfield 1812 sometime in the next year so that'll eclipse it by a bit i'd say.
>>64145710if ~3k is too much for you then, yes most likely.
>>641462411884 trapdoor rifle, made in 1892. Still shoot it on occasion, I'd really like to shoot a deer with it.
>>64146241>what is your oldest raifu anons?New York State Guard Remington Rolling Block made in 1872.
>>64146241Chilean mauser, model of 1895, made in 1897 or 1898. In very nice condition, though the rifling is softened. Shoots about 5 or 6 MOA. I don't shoot her much, but I _do_ shoot her. Ejector isn't working; it doesn't kick the brass out when the bolt is pulled back. But I kind of like it that way; lets me pluck the brass off the bolt for eventual re-loading. Rear sight was never updated for the spitzer bullet. When I finally do re-load I want to experiment with the original round nose bullets and see what they do compared to the modern bullets. Interested to see if the round nose will have more rifling engagement in the worn barrel and maybe shoot tighter.
>>64148986Moist nugget from '33. I had an 1878 Veterli but unfortunately I sold it after a centerfire conversion was determined to not be worth the cost.
>>64146241tie between my 1898 Tula M39 and Izzy Finnish M91.
>>64146241>oldest raifuMy first gun I ever bought, a Turk 93/33 first manufactured in 1894, iirc. I've since bought some other guns which I might have a little more fun with, but that one'll always have a special place in my heart
>>64146241Oldest? Martini Henry Mk3 built in 1882
>>641492151777 musket used by the private military company the British tea company to oppress the pajeets. Ultra based firearm. Almost as good as the communist killers in my collection.
>>64146241>what is your oldest raifu anons?My Type 53 Mosin from 1960, also a Vietnam bring back with matching serial numbers
I think my dad has 2 Arisaka’s with the mum, both in 6.5jap. I think they are the same exact type. I can’t remember the type number. They’re from the occupation. He has a Mosin, I think that’s a type 53. It’s from Vietnam and has capture papers. There’s a legit crossbow from the Cambodian tribes that our special forces worked with in Vietnam. For a brief period some of the special forces guys reported to my grandpa. He gave them a can of tobacco and asked them to trade it for him. He had no idea what he would get and was super excited when he got the crossbow. I guess the Vietcong tried to kill my grandpa twice in Vietnam. He had the claymore pellets from one attempt put in acrylic with a little note. I have that but it’s at the other house and not really impressive. Anyway, he scored this gun in the Philippines in WWII, grandpa not dad. It’s pretty cool because 2 world wars and a police action. The 135th ever issued to the Navy, first batch. 1-500 went to the Army.
>>64150096Oops, upside down. Attempting to fix.
>>64146241probably my MK I* snider
>>64150096>2 world warsThat's an A1 though. You just mean the 1911 design in general?
>>64150141It didn’t start life like that. It’s 1911 serial 635. It had some kit done to it by an armorer a very long time ago. There’s some info on this and it’s been a while since I researched. I think the forgotten weapons guy may have even done a video on whatever they call this hybrid. It still retains some original features like the thumbnail sights on the slide. I think the trigger may still be original but am unsure. I know the mainspring was updated hence the hump. Someone here will probably know more than me. I went through WWI with the US, then was given to Philippines sometime between WWI and WWII. We don’t shoot it anymore since we learned the very early slides weren’t always hardened correctly. I think this was actually the first pistol I ever shot when I was like 10.
>>64150141I was looking online and a good way to tell 1911 from A1 is relief cuts to the frame were added with the A1. I didn’t know that or I would’ve just said it before. I can’t tell if the hammer and spur changed. I think the spur might be original too? Somebody else will probably know.
>>64146241My oldest is my Springfield M1871 Rolling Block made in 1872. And I have shot it before.
>>64150163I think that hammer is original. The M1911’s hammer spur changed shape slightly over time, even before the A1. It also still has the early style rear sight and it has a pre-A1 trigger. At some point it got fitted with the arched mainspring and longer grip safety and new grips, but the patent address on the slide is the pre 1914 text so I don’t think this pistol went through one of the complete tear down and rebuilds with a bunch of parts mixed and matched, but rather new parts were refitted only as necessary. It’s a really great heirloom.
>>64150647Thanks for all the info. This thread got me interested again. I’m gonna do some more research. According to the Colt online serial number search this one was delivered in 1912. Apparently they issued the same serial again in 1918. That’s weird because I looked it up before and I think there was only one entry. I think you are right that it wasn’t totally reworked. My understanding was the US military issued some kind of update kit for the original 1911’s to address whatever issues. So this gun is in some kind of known hybrid condition. I’m gonna look for the forgotten weapons video unless I imagined it. We don’t know exactly where this one was during WWI exactly, but it was given to Philippines and then it went with my grandpa on the Seawolf to Australia. We’ve had it ever since. I’ve been telling my dad to at least rub some grease on it. He knows better than to let languish like that. Here’s an unrelated 1917, can’t even remember if it’s a Colt or Smith and Wesson. It takes the Half Moon clips.
>>64153529I have a Colt 1908 with 3 digit serial number. it's a matching gun but the patent dates and newer finish on the slide show the slide was replaced at some point by Colt. Colt factory refurbs were re-stamped with the same serial number on replacement parts.
>>64153660Interesting, I did not know this, thank you. Makes me curious, have you ever entered your serial into the Colt online serial number lookup thing? I’m wondering if it shows up twice like this one did. I wonder if the entries I found for 1912 and 1918 maybe indicated Colt put the kit on this thing.
>>64153719punching in random 3 digits I found this. I have a buddy thats a Colt collector, Ill ask him if he knows why, but I wonder if they recalled/reissued the pre-war military guns due to the heat treating issues you mentioned earlier
>>64153785Man that would be great. I’d really appreciate anything your buddy tells you. Thank you again.
Going to a gun show tomorrow can I get a price check on matching German K98's? (mainly the mid war ones with the cupped butt plate and takedown disc)Also tips on what to look for if anyone has any would be awesome (anything helps cause even if it doesn't help me it might help someone else)
>>64154036anywhere from $1000-2000 depending on the boomer selling it.
>>64154047>G.33/40 spottedMan I want to get one of those but I cant really get one of them AND a gewehr 43 so I'm split between the two
>>64153529>Apparently they issued the same serial again in 1918. That’s weird because I looked it up before and I think there was only one entry.Possibly a database error from some other Colt-made firearm made in 1918. No doubt that frame and slide are 1912-vintage. >So this gun is in some kind of known hybrid condition.It could also be that your grandfather fitted the checkered mainspring housing and extended tang grip safety because it makes the pistol more comfortable to shoot.
>>64154145Its neat but for the price id consider it meh. Im a collector so i don't regret buying it, but if i was giving advice id say get an FN 1950 with 16"barrel for basically the same experience for 1/8th the cost.
>>64154454SMALLER
>>64154504I want to be a dad so I can buy my child the mini mosin
>>64154516>I want to be a dadget off 4chant. a dad
>>64154504>>64154516both of these. I want to get a crate of mini mosins and hand them out at halloween
>>64146241Tie between an 1896 spanish action and an 1895 chilean.Spanish is sporterized but clearly loved and well cared for (except whoever had it before me and stripped it down to a barrelled action before selling), chilean is also sporterized but it kind of sucks.
>>641566701896 chilean god damn hard to type the manufacture year when you always say the model year insteadBoth ive built up as poverty frankenmausers, chilean almost factory but i saved money with swedish rear sight + handguard, spanish more franken but its getting a nice custom suhl style claw mount for fancy old german scopes
>>64149258It kinda sucks replacing the ejector, had to do that on my also chilean mauser.Swedish spring was the cheapest but it isnt the same size, guessing its just manufacturing tolerances? Not sure why it'd be something on purpose.Also the bluing on the swedish ejector spring is minty and looks totally out of place, i need to rust it or something baka.
Any buyers guides or resources for buying Lee-Enfield's (Mk IIIs or No 4s)?Never bough surp before and the price disparity kind of freaks me out. >you can get a No 4 for $400 or $800 and more or less and anywhere in between)
>>64154649My girlfriend is probably infertile
>>64156757For the most part the dictator on price for #4s and Mk3s is condition. A decent one of either should run you around $600 in today money so aim for that.you could dive deeper into manufacturer and other bits but British guns (with a few exceptions) dont suffer the same autism as others
>>64156836Adopt
>>64156757depends what your objective is, if you're wanting to 'collect' and go for rare markings and such, then let the market dictate. if you just want to start shooting surp, then your only concern should be bore quality.Common and robust guns like Enfields and Mausers are easy to find parts for. You can always look for a cheap bubba'd rifle (as long as it retains original barrel length) for $150-200 and then restore it with replacement furniture and barrel bands down the road when you have more money.
>>64157038>no RIC carbine0/10 collection see me after class
>>64157038Any good sauces for non-enfield stocks? I picked up a couple of mausers that bubba restonked. (Gew 98 and chilean) and I'd like to restore.You can get SMLE 3 all day but it's harder to find other furniture.
>>64157202its literally on the left of the picture, as punishment you need to give me jewtube clickshttps://youtu.be/J7pSKAWYzZI?si=sZ_eGCCS7aKJaqZ->>64157259LibertyTreeCollectorsFoxMilitaryeBayGunbrokerSarco/Numrich (comes in waves)buymilsurp.comproxibid/hibid estate auctionsand as always, check your local surp shops
>>64157299I give you clicks. the vertical makes it look longer than it is. I apologize. As an olive branch, I post my Long Lee too.
>>64157322CLLE? nice I still need one of those. the one I have with CLLE markings is a Khyber gun
>>64157328Yea. Its one of the commercial re-issues. Including P-H sights
>>64157331very nice. I dont have any with Parker Hales, but the Westley Richards one has a folding rear tangent
>>64157331*Tippins. not Parker Hale. I had a PH article up on my screen so I fucked that up.Also remember>Cordite Only
>>64157375>On Her Majesty's Secret Cordite
>>64157404the forbidden spaghetti
>>64157038Any of those South Rhodie?
>>64158135I wish. I have the Austrian one pictured in >>64157357 as well as an iraqi one.
>>64137415possibly wrong place to put here but got my first camo milsurp last month and got the vest with it few days lateris it common to get woodland as a first for people getting into milsurp?
>>64159166>is it common to get woodland as a first for people getting into milsurp?I don’t collect any military clothing and even I have a set of M81 BDU somewhere. So “yes”.
Man I want a Lee-Enfield no1 mk 3. One day soon hopefullly I'll find a good one fot a good price
>>64137415
Buddy of mine got this musket can anyone tell us about it?From what we can tell it’s an 1841 Mississippi rifle but not much else
>>64161732Here’s another pic
>>64156836Get her thyroid checked and if she needs medication you can start stabbing that cervix and you'll hopefully get a son.
>>64161732Cool unit markings. I don't have a good civil war markings reference book but M St JB, could be missouri state jefferson barracks in st Louis
>found a spot in the house where I can add a second safeLooks like more surp is back on the menu boys
>>64154047is the fourth from the bottom a Yugo 24 CK carbine or something similar?
>>641630154th from bottom is an FN 1950 commercial in .308
>>64163137Nice, are any of the other ones pictured in 7mm?
>>64163339Yes, one of the Vz24s is 7mm.Not pictured but I have K98k and gew 98 in .30-06 as well
which mauser mm is the best?
>>64137954>>64137954i thought the same thing when i paid $200 for an sks bakc in 2012
>>64163675i'd argue 7mm is the best, honestly not sure why the Germans went with 8mm for themselves when 7mm was already around.
>>641640657x57mm wasn’t a thing yet when the Germans adopted 8x57.
>>641636757.63 master race
>>64137742As boomers die out there will be more supply and they will get cheaper.That's alot of money for a milsurp gun anon.
>>64164789Based turtle anon.
>>64165020They’ve been saying that for 10 years and they’ve only gotten more expensive
>>64165020No Anon.As boomers die their collections will be inherited by their idiot children and grandchildren who will give them to the police to be destroyed. You should consider all boomer guns to be permanently out of circulation (unless they end up with the Chicago PD). Because unless those guns are separated from their owners while those owners are alive they're just going to end up as scrap metal.
>>64166041This is only part of it. A lot of boomers are buying up other boomers' piles as if completely unaware of their own mortality. Dead boomer inventory is still in the market, just in the hands of the last ones remaining.Lots of them do have plans, but it mostly involves their shit going to auction. ungrateful and uninterested grandkids will melt down stuff, but a fair amount will still remain in circulation with an ever aging cadre of vultures.
>>64166521Even when they have it all its still not enough.They'll hound young guys who love cutting people a deal by acting like they're just getting into it at their old age or say they only want to collect a few things while they have a room full of guns that got put in safes before Gen Z collectors were ever even bornLet this be a reminder that its fine to cheat boomers for deals when they act like assholes. Its not like they'll care anyways (But you BETTER be nice to the good ones cause they are few and far between)
>>64166613anon calm down, we all hate the boomer menace here theres no need to seethe this hard. We know, we get it. post surp
how bad are RTI C-grades?
>>64166640To my knowledge RTI in general is pretty terrible. Never bought from them from what I've heard the guns are always trashed (then again the price is cheap so thats why) and also takes months to ship stuff
>>64166041>>64166521Met a Boomer once while buying some ammo from him that told me he was going to be buried with his 3 Garands and more if he acquires more. Someone will try to call me a communist, but I think that's both retarded and selfish. It's literally just hoarding a highly desired and limited item to the grave, and as someone with a moderate hoarding problem I can't even imagine being like that, WHILE having grandkids. Milsurp is half-dead, not solely because of boomers, but they absolutely play their part in it.
>>64166668>buried with his 3 Garands and more if he acquires moreI really can't understand this level of selfishness and you're right that it's retarded. A number of my guns have immense sentimental value on a level that I don't care if I'm starving to death and cant afford food, I refuse to part with them as long as I'm alive. But when I am gone, I want them to be enjoyed and cared for by someone that will appreciate them, and what they meant to me. I need to hope that my friends kids wind liking guns though, cause if they don't, I don't get to have kids so all my shit winds up at an estate sale or whatever and who the fuck knows who they'll wind up with then, or how well they'll be taken care of.
>>64166640C-grades are mostly only good for being used as donors for a gun you already have.
>85yo who was on Okinawa in the 50’s won’t sell me a milsurp for $700 because “that’s what I paid for it”>lowest he’ll go is $1050>tells me I got a good deal on it>he’s still rightAnd soon I began to hate them.
>>64165020They die and then it is turned over to retailers dummy. Have you seen what cabelas wants for garands?
>>64141033they are super rare
>>64168128Relative to a Kar.98k perhaps, but In the grand family of Mausers ~120,000 is a good-sized production run.
>>64168656Normally I wouldn’t ask this sir but You must show me a closeup of that extravagant butt stamp
>>64166521>grandkids will melt down stuffWhat the actual hell are you talking about? Real life ain't your messed up doom and gloom fantasies
>>64169296The gun buyback horror threads on /k/ do famously show many collectible and expensive firearms being turned into police to be destroyed. Sometimes originally posted by libtard millennials virtue signaling about destroying the evil weapons. It’s obviously extremely biased but it does happen. Most will obviously just be taken to gun stores to get as much money as they ignorantly can.
>>64169174
I want to get into old milsurp rifles, but the prices are quite a bit for me, who just wants neat rifles to shoot.Am I being unreasonable for not wanting to pay +1600 USD for a M1917? Or am I dreaming of a time I was born too late to be in on?Are there any interesting models of rifle that are overlooked by boomer / collector scalpers?
I got the Nambu from a few threads ago. Mag retention spring is split so I have to replace it but I cleaned the bore and was pleasantly surprised.
>>64169793>+1600 USD for a M1917?fucking where are you seeing 1917s for that much? if you just want a neat 1917 to shoot they easily go for 600. Whats the surp market like in your area? are you resorting to online?And to answer your larger question. Yes, you are somewhat too late. BUT its also never too late and you can still find deals on just about anything, your just having to avoid the bullshit a bit more than before
>>64169798Nambus are one of the neatest looking surp pistols there are. They look very Space Gun before space gun was a thing
>>64169883He’s probably seeing guns.com asking prices. And if he’s anywhere in an area like mine. They’re $900 asking price in complete condition. I still haven’t found one for a good price.
>>64169883>fucking whereSadly Gun-boomer, against my better judgement, which just serves to discourage myself.I should look at stores but I never feel like I can make the time, and do feel a little awkward showing up to ask and be non-committal to buying anything. Not every store in my area has a good site and I don't think they always update them (potentially to avoid scalpers maybe).I guess my real question is what an acceptable price range is for a rifle that is a good shooter; yeah I know that answer can vary from rifle to rifle.Also if there were any neat models that people think are overlooked / underrated. I like learning about interesting things.
>>64169914Ok a part of this is on you being a little new and socially retarded, but this is 4chan so thats a given. Stop doom scrolling gunbroker. You can entirely fulfill a respectable collection without ever buying off gunbroker, to the extent your general area or state surp market is like and how far youre willing to travel for shows.To start, yes, go to the local stores get a read on how friendly they are and generally approach with wide eyed enthusiasm around collecting. Write off the stores that give you shit and return to them (if they had good stuff) when youre a little better with the lingo and how to comport yourself.A lot of this is highly depending on your local market. I am surrounded by tubo based boomer gun stores where we are all buddies and things are great. But this isnt even remotely the case for many anons.I think, go scout around and come back to the /msg/ thread then and tell us what kind of stores youve found, the vibes and what you saw. Its totally fine to be non-committal if you are at least seeking information/knowledge and it will give you a base idea of what your getting into
>>64169914Those prices are the ones that don’t sell. Keep that in mind. Retired Boomers spend all day camping these sites so you’re competing with that. You gotta be pretty lucky with the timing. It’s hard to enter into right now when modern weapons are superior in every way, including price. My only advice is to trade local. Keep an eye out and keep an open mind. ask anyone older than you if they have any old military guns they don’t want and keep asking any lgs if they ever have anything. Gun shows have taken second place to pawnfinding the past couple years since my state enacted some more unconstitutional shit
>>64169914Oh right yea and for a good shooter 1917 600-800 bucks +/- condition for a typical Eddystone.things currently slept on and are a good entry price are K31s (still) Carcanos, non German Mausers things in that neighborhood.
>>64170012>currently slept on>Have 12 mausers >not a single one actually made for use by Germans.
>>64169914Swiss stuff is still coming in and can be found online for $300-600 and that definitely won’t last because it’s good stuff
>>64170025*Slept on by the general boomer market/normiesnot autists like you and >>64159185
>>64167218What gun was it? $700, was inflation accounted for?
>>64169974>You can entirely fulfill a respectable collection without ever buying off gunbroker,This^, just by being friendly with a LGS I got myself a mas49 for $400. Be less retarded and if the people you are dealing with seems like they're trying to pull a fast one on you, just leave and go next.
>>64161809>he doesn't want to be a softball dad
>>64170253Dyke
Bramit replicas are now on sale if you don't want to wait until 2026 for the goy tax to go away. They say they'll hold it until January if you want to wait.https://atakaindustries.com/mosin-nagant-bramit-silencer/
>>64170089No I didn’t ask when he got it, but I got the feeling he had acquired it within the past 5 years because he talked about having owned several of the same model over the years. The confliction in my soul over getting along with these nice-enough old fucks and hating them more and more over the years hurts.
>>64170253Imagine trying to fucking raise a daughter nowadays. I’d drop her off at an Amish village in the middle of the night if that happened.
>>64170871I’d rather have the satisfaction of not paying the government a single cent to own something that should be mandatory
>>64168383>, but In the grand family of Mausers ~120,000 is a good-sized production run.my bad i got confused and thought we were talking about a 98/40
>>64169793where do you live? obvouisly if you are a eurocuck you will spend double the prices you see for americans. you can easily get started with a nice milsurp for $300 or less
>>64170871>wont just ship to your door>offering to hold it for you while you fill out all sorts of jewish registry penis inspection bullshit sounds like they are bootlicking faggots who dont deserve a single penny from my american patriotic wallet.
>>64170068>autistsI resent the very implication.
>>64137415I have a 1916 oberspree sterngewehr with a tiger stripe stock, numbers matching, anyone know what it's probably worth?Also have a .308 CZ 550 fs. Can't seem to get price details on it. Not selling but it's nice to keep track of
>>64171626pix my dude
>>64171635* affenwerke oberspree kornbusch 1916
>>64171659is the full gun numbers matched down to the screws?
>>64171663The bolt is force matched, yes to the restbore is mint
>>64171667the force matched bolt hurts it, but its still probably $2500 in the right auction
>>64171684interesting thanks. I got it for $400 lmao
>>64171692based. the last proper fully matched one got $4k in a grey blanket auction
>>64171694nice. my receiver looks like that but it has this star up topthat means it was like a parts rifle or something right?
>>64171626>>64171659>>64171667Are there any additional markings on the buttplate aside from the serial number? Depot renumbered bolts and reworked rifles do exist, it's estimated that roughly 1 in 3 rifles went back to a depot at some time during the war as the casualty rate for both rifles and men was pretty high. Also, you stole that rifle at $400 you lucky bastard, where did you find it?
>>64171715Wrong pic, depot markings on the buttplate usually look like this
>>64157357once had an israeli stamped smle from the iraqi bsa contract.
>>64171202wrong, most prices are similarin some cases it depends on the gun & countryarisaka us = 300, europe a grandeurope = schmidt/rubin/steyr 100-300, us 500 upgot a long carcano and a berthier for 100 euros each last year.countries with strict gun laws like spain have few guns circulating, prices high even for very basuc stuffcountries with easy access and high circulation have lower prices
>>64171659affenwerke = monkeys workwas that g98 made in a zoo?
>>64171881what countries in europe have "easy access"??
>>64171861Cool!>>64171698Depot repair, really neat, if you're ever hard up for cash hit me up, that one is nicer than mine.
anyone /martini/ here?
To the guy that was wanting an RCS the one I mentioned on the k98k forums has dropped to $8,500 + shipping costs
>>64172306ideally, go to a online 2nd hand gun sale site, choose gun, contact private seller, transfer money, get gun express shipped to door. paperwork per email. you can do all of this in 2 days, till you have a gun in your hands, without leaving the house. or just go to a gunstore or pick up 2nd hand gun personally, pay cash, then its just a matter if hours tilll one is armed to the teeth. but then you have to leave the house and interact with the normies. austria.
>>64172306Sometimes I wonder if the 2nd is actually helpful, only in regards to the fact they can already invent reasons to take your guns away as it is.What's the functional difference?
>>64174196Well we haven't been disarmed yet despite 50 years of concerted effort at every level of government and media, so yeah I'd say it's been pretty helpful. If not for the 2a, we'd have been in the same boat as the UK and Auatralistan decades ago. You'd have to be completely ignorant of the entire modern history of firearms regulation to not understand that.
>>64174233I suppose it works better in Austria due to some demographic differences we'll say
>>64172868perhaps >>64157975
>>64174014Thanks for the update fren but im gonna pass on that one. IF he had been within a reasonable driving distance of me the now 8.5k would've been a bit more of a sell to me, but eh. I can settle to wait longer for one in better condition and a higher price to match it
For the Anon who was asking about a Husqvarna 640 Mauser sporter in 8x57mm w/ a vintage Aimpoint on it; here's your sign: https://www.simpsonltd.com/products/Z78257
Can anyone give me a hint on where to look for an Enfield Battlesight Mk I?Are there any repros available anywhere?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFgssqpoMKYI saw this, now you have too
>>64177666there are some Mk3s on Liberty Tree. just keep an eye on there a Mk1 might pop up.
Are Star BM's officially collectible now /msg/?
>>64174196Yes idiot. Otherwise 1934 and 1968 would have been worse. We’d have national registration and no carry laws at the very least. Having it in the text has single-handedly shielded some Americans in the worst states from being Japan-tier. Stop turning on good things because the bad guys beat it; it’s still good, the bad guys just need to be beat.
Considering a double stack Makarov in .380. Completely commercial tho. Any cheers or jeers?
>>64171211>someone else won’t fight my battle for me!!Unless you pay all their legal fees, pipe down you do-nothing
>>64179331BMs are old and busted; 30M is the new hotness.
>>64179370sold out though
>>64178777Thanks anon. Been looking for a m1917 for a while. Finally found a decent one I pulled the trigger on and just got it today. I'm in bad company.
>>64179585These are so hard to find unaltered, in my area at least. How much? I’m trying for no more than $800
>>64179594What do you mean by unaltered? Many were rearsenaled, which is just fine by me. I paid around that.
>>64179616He probably mean sporterized
>>64179629I do. >>64179616I don’t count anything done by an official body as an “alteration” definitionally, even import marks.
Saw a K31 at my LGS, I really want it. How hard is it to find 7.5swiss in CA?
>>64179844PPU makes plenty so as long as LGSs specialize or stock it your fine.I think CA has some gay online ammo ordering law? cuase its plentiful online as well. Surplus GP11 is approaching non-existent
>>64179851The amount of problems that have stemmed from Russia trying play older brother to Serbia is long and horrible
>>64179851Yes, ammo in this state must be shipped to an FFL holder, and all the gunstores in my area have told me they just don't have the room to do that for customers.
>>64179869You might have to take a road trip to the Las Vegas show fren. You could find Sellier and Bellot 7.5
>saving up for either a G41 or G43>a nice matching prewar K98k pops up suddenly along with a P38 rig and a Steyr M.95>only have space for one more in the safeDoes anyone else go through dry periods of months on end and then suddenly come into a flood of random surps? Also, do you all have any recommendations for safes that house surps well? Straight bolt handles and full length handguards are a pain to get into mine with the small dividers that mine came with.
>>64179949I custom built the racks/dividers in my safe
>>64179949>go over 2 years finding nothingthen>M1>beautiful swede>M39>03a3>03 mk1 >war P38>Gew88Most appear before me in person at best prices the past years. One might honestly have to thank orange man winning for people loosing the strings to their collections. >M937aA cool coincidence
>>64179869Fellow CAer here, you can have ammo shipped to your door from online stores if you get a Curio and Relic and Certificate of Eligibility.
>>64179949The answer is easy. Get another safe.
>>64179867Hopefully suppliers have a stockpile built up from the tariffs scare so prices won't change for a while.
>>64179949Get a sledgehammer and make your own safe sonny, you see that drywall in kitchen well guess what you don't need it.
you guys fucking lied to me, the media lied, to me, everybody lied to me, drum magazines aren't "akward" to carry for shit, i just bought 3 suomi drums and ppsh pouches for them and they're much smaller and less obtrusive than i thought they'd bei prefer these to carrying around my chunky vz58 pouch and i'll bet an mp40 pouch carrying the same amount of ammo will be worse
>>64184270There's a reason that anyone who made a drum mag eventually went to a stick mag later. Thompson, ppsh, rpk ect. Many such cases.
Where should I check for cracks in bolt action rifles? Or signs that that rifle is not a good purchase?
>>64184552it can depend on the rifle or specific histories or usage of said rifle, but generally cracks extending from the receiver tang, poorly fitted bolts or worn lugs, missing springs or screws and as always a shitty pitted bore (or extreme pitting in general)
>>64184552>Where should I check for cracks in bolt action rifles?In the wrist behind the tang of the stock. Around the action screws/triggerguard. Around any recoil lugs/crossbolts in the stock. Cracks at the heel and toe of the butt are usually caused by excessively violent drilling of the manual of arms on a hard surface.
>>64184560>>64184598thanks
Going to a vintage match in a few weeks and wanted to ask you guys which rifle you thought was more accurate to shoot with IRON SIGHTS ONLYSwedish M41B or Swiss K31 (both with their surplus ammo so M/41 and GP-11)I’ve heard crazy stories about M96’s wiping competitions in the Nordic countries but my personal experience with the K-31 has been crazy accurate as well
>>64184873My m/96 is a very accurate rifle even with cheap PPU. I have always shot it better than my K31. I think it’s due to the higher comb on the Swede giving me a rock solid cheek weld.
>>64184873If by “crazy stories” you mean gold medals yes. It was actually somewhat controversial in early competitions because it was such a tier above every other longgun at the time
>>64184873K31 + GP11 for the win. The diopter sight version is basically hacking
K31 guy again, was off today so went back to gunstore to see if it was still there. It was, and it is coming home with me on the 9th. Was surprised at how light it was, most other old milsurp rifles I own or have handled were/are considerably heavier.
>>64184510a lot of countries in ww2 also wound up adopting dogshit SMGs (not saying i dont like these guns, but the sten gun, pps43, kp44, grease gun, etc.) but that doesnt mean it was the better option for the man shooting the gun
>>641636756.5
>>64185499>waiting periodDumb, but at least youll have it soon. post pics when you have it.
>>64187654I have been living here for 42 years, I am well aware it is dumb. Lawsuits that can take decades to resolve are our only recourse as citizens in this state can only directly vote on bond measures. At least Newsom is on his way out(they'll probably replace him with someone just as bad or worse though).
>>64183064
Do you buy a rifle with rare ammo just to keep it?I will buy a rifle with no ammo easily available.
>>64189206yes
>>64189206Yes, depending on cool the gun is.
>>64189588Argentine 1909 Mauser, it's like a G98 but without the cool roller coaster rear sights
>>64184873My K31 might be the most inaccurate K31 in existence, shooting a meager 3 inch groups at 100 yards. My M96 is probably the most accurate gun I own and one of my favorites to shoot. I’ve gotten 1 inch groups at 100 yards with match bullets, but only a couple of times.
>>64189206i only do it if i can reload for it, which depending on the rarity may require converting casings for a different cartridge
in your opinion, are (removeable) butt pads for milsurp cringe or just sensible when shooting?I specify removeable because I don't like the concept of changing the sporter I'm lightly rehabing. Love it to death butt it does kick like a mule. I could also just be a weak (and possibly masochistic) shit; you guys ever get used to it?
>>64189888On Type 99. But only because the LoP is youth-tier
>>64189888I wouldn't say their cringeI bring my milsurps hunting and I've thought about getting some pads for them that way when I set them down I don't dirty up the butt plate and it stays in good shape
>>64189888As a lanklet ive never found any milsurp I own to kick hard enough to warrant a pad. That said, do whatever feels best for you, its removable so who cares.
>>64189888i get the feeling that original military loads probably didnt kick as muchwhen i shoot a mosin with surplus ammo it doesnt kick too bad but when i had a hunting rifle in 30-06 it used to bruise my shoulder after a whileand my 7.7 jap handloads which are perfectly adequate in power dont kick much either despite slugging a 185 grain bullet down rangeso really i think its just down to the fact that hunting loads are often the only ammo you can find for these old guns, and they're just not that well suited for shooting at the rangeyou'll probably risk cracking your stocks at some point until you reload
>>64190109If it's one of the C.G. Haenel Kar.88 in 7x57mm it would be perfect.
>>64190119it is a Haenel but its in 8mm
Is a Bugly M95 carbine worth picking up for 350 bones?
>>64190137Fair deal if it’s a good condition 95/30 in 8x56; a great deal if it’s still in original caliber.
>>64190242It's 8x56r but it's has the carbine sights, so would it make it 95/34?
>>64189841Indeed! 30-06 cases can be convert into 7.65x53 somehow easily.
>>64190264AFAIK the 95/34 is an importer mistake. If it has a carbine rear sight it was probably always a carbine.
>>64190109What is this abomination and why do I like it so much?
>>64191676Not the poster you asked but it looks like a shortened SMLE.
>>64192101pretty sure its a carcano
>>64192158you're probably right, I was focusing two much on the front sight, but that definitely is an SMLE front sight, right?Am I stroking out?
>>64192101>>64192158>>64192247It’s a Kar88 you sillies. What it’s doing with rollercoasters and a p1907 bayonet I have no idea.
>>64192349It was a lamp. Spent 10 years looking for kar88 parts to restore it but they're unobtanium. Now it's an Enkar 88/98 "Enkarser", because i had those spare parts i salvaged off bubba guns. Also it's 32 acp because the receiver started to crack the last time i shot 8mm through it
>>64189888Cringe, but it's your own property, you do whatever makes you happy
>Long Lee on IMA>$3k
>>64192583>Also it's .32 ACPYou made the FO3 hunting rifle (except it's functional and not a collection of greebles)How accurate is it?
>>64188385An absolutely excellent Mauser, did you find this locally or at some auction house?
Give me a tldr on current carcano rifles. still cheap? Can you put a scope on them >>64137415What's the cheapest surplus rifle with the largest magazine that you can put a scope on?
>>64193519>What's the cheapest surplus rifle with the largest magazine that you can put a scope on?An already sporterized nugget. Saw one last week. Tapped with rings and an Archangel stock for $150
>>64193519Tons of sporterized surp come with scopes and due to the sporterization they are typically way cheaper than an original. So really most surp is cheap if thats what youre going for.
Anyone got a Star 30M pistol? Recent batch for sale, I hear they're overbuilt and very accurate.
>>64189815check for barrel rub on the handguard/stock. The K31 is notorious for this issue. Over time the wood may warp slightly compromising the very tight tolerances of that area. If the barrel is rubbing your accuracy is going to be shit balls
>>64194424are you subtly telling us youre about to post your german saber collection?
>>64193519There's probably a sporterized Swiss 1889 with a scope out there somewhere.
>>641462411894 Brescia cavalry carbine Carcano
My Type 38 looks funny
>>64194584UH OH CHINKY
Finally picked up a Belgian gun.Will visit the Liege arms museum in a few weeks. Anybody interested in photos?
newfag here, buying myself something for my 20th and SKSs looks hot, any recommendations on where to buy one? Chinese, Yugoslav, Russian, all okay I don’t have a specific preference, just the stock wood furniture
>>64194649If you don't care, Chinese Type 56 is by far the best value. They made their SKS clone to very high standards and its the cheapest/most available one. Everything else is scalped and price gouged to death.Make sure you don't get burned by buying a heavily worn one.
>>64194669How much should a fairly good condition spider be? I see ones on gunbroker for 600 but they look like they’ve been through fucking ‘nam
>>64194691be patient, I would try to get one for $500 which is completely doable. Gunbroker is often a complete joke. Boomers love to peddle their shitrods for unbelievably high prices but you can still find deals. Otherwise you can find other surplus sites selling SKSs in better condition for that price. SKSs are pricing to the moon so if you overspend a little to get a super nice one its not the end of the world. I would really try to stay below $600 though for a Chinese one. Especially if you are paying shipping + FFL. SKSs are common enough that you can find them in local stores which could save you $150 on that bullshit if you have the time.
>took all 5 Garands to the range this morning to function test a new reload. >since IMR4064 is basically unobtainable and looks to be priced at $60 per pound, I decided to find an alternative before I ran out. >settle on Accurate 2520. It seems fine in a few other calibers I’ve tried it in. >using 47 grains of powder and Ginex primers, all each cycled a clip without a hang up. >only issue is that 4 of 5 rifles were experiencing slight “click-bangs” 2-4 times per clip. >these are brand new reloads, and the powder and primers are each less than 2 years old. And neither have shown signs of any issue in any other caliber. Anyone have any idea what it could be? I know the Ginex primers are hard, so I was wondering if the Garand firing pin just isn’t hitting them quite hard enough. Or I thought maybe the powder isn’t quite taking up enough volume in the case, so there’s a lot of air in there which could potentially cause a delay in ignition? I don’t know. I’m going to try CCI 200 primers with the same powder charge and see if it helps. I’ve always used those in the past. Also a note, pic related is the 1 Garand that didn’t seem to have any click-bangs. I got it from a gun shop and suspect it was a Service Grade, while the other 4 rifles are all field and rack grades purchased within the last 5 years. Also a guy there had a “super safety” in one of his ARs and let me rip off a few rounds with it. That convinced me to buy one lol.
>>64196735I'd say that's primer related. I had a similar experience with my M1 using a batch of PPU M2 ball spec made in maybe 2023 or 24, some rounds would go off fine, others wouldn't. Those that didn't go off in my M1, went off fine in my M1917. The same PPU M2 ball I bought in maybe 2022 never had this happen though.
>>64196778Interesting. I had read that Ginex primers have been used in PPU ammo. Could be why you had issues.
>>64196735>since IMR4064 is basically unobtainableIve flipped a bunch of my loads to 4895 without issue. Ive seen 4064 occasionally though
>We built the new studio and did the school teacher shtick to be more presentable and attract more people>Now lets kick this off with an advertisement for Ballistol laiden with sexual innudenos and other lewd punsWhat did they mean by this?
>>64197607pretty sure theres more porn that takes place in a school room setting than actual teaching so seems about right.
>>64197607you have to be 18 to own guns
>>64196735>so-and-so powder hard to findBitch you can make black powder from piss and stump remover. Thank god primers are back yet LR is still the rarest and most expensive.
>>64197958You have to be 18 to legally own guns.
>>64193519Spoterized sks, Swiss maybe butt the ammo is expensive
>>64197965Ah yes. My piss and fireplace ash blackpowder is superior to those industrially produced and highly refined smokeless powders
>>64198021>>64197965>he doesnt collect the ash and charcoal from his house and firepit and then mixes it with turtle tank water for nitrates to then powderize it into BP loads.NGMI
>>64197607>We built the new studio and did the school teacher shtick to be more presentable and attract more peopleIs Othis trying to pull a Technology Connections vibe with the remodel?
>>64198045Othias decided he wasn't autistic enough so he's evolved to stage 2. Sadly, I doubt this is even his final form.
Anyone know if there's a place with the schematics for old military rifles and their parts?I'm rehabing a sporter and would like to make some of my own parts, some 1:1 and some to fit the rifle as it is, but either way I'd need specs to do that.
>>64198202>Sadly, I doubt this is even his final form.I want Post 10 equivalent autism for Othais.
NEW BREAD>>64199477>>64199477>>64199477FRESHLY BAKED
>>64197958>>64197973you can in fact possess/own a long gun before you turn 18, it just has to be gifted to you
>>64199379nice, but you should replace the barrel and make it an SBR now that it'll be free to do soi'm almost finished with my own suomi kit and thats my plan, and i'm gonna rust blue it instead of parkerizing it like tnw does
>>64200593hes canadian
