/arg/ weekend containment editionPreviously>>64254828
I just bought a red dot on aliexpress and they lost it
>>64256687They genuinely did you a favor.
>>64256690I need to know if this is more better i cant afford real ecant
>>64256694There is no reason you should ever buy this. Get some cope optic before you get a chinese air soft clone.
>>64256694Primary arms
Maybe I should go shoot my ar this weekend
repostando i want absolute cowitness or lower 1/3rd cowitnessi read a lot of articles on the pros and cons but i don't have enough experience with either to have an opinoonwhat do you guys like
>>64256694You really spent $277 on chinkshit?
>>64256713Lower 1/3rdFSP less distracting that way
>>64256694
>>64256722Why hasn't PA made their cope elcan yet? And make it lighter too while they're at it.
>>64256725Why when they should just add an rmr cut to their micro prisms?
>>64256726So you can use the same cheek weld instead of having to turn your rifle or raise your face.
The chinese have mogged us. You can now put a cloak on your platecarrier.
Mini-14?
>>64256782Just make your own cloak like this guy's. Doesn't look as gay.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN8cYd3poIk
>>64256828this is not gay, it is... three dimensional
>>64256782>>64256836This needs an actual Chinese dude in a poorly photoshopped background to really appreciate it
Best super duty barrel profile? They have the taper, heavy, and super HBAR
>>64256955Buy all 3 and review them for us
>>64256934the future is now old man
>>64256962If I had the funds i would
>>64256782
>>64256701Maybe, maybe not.
>>64256725Because the 1x on an elcan is useless once everyone realized top dot is better and faster, so elcans get a top dot now too lol
>>64256955I suggest you stfu and just buy one. The taper is the best.
>>64256836No that's pretty gay.
>>64256992It's not useless if you don't intend to utilize a top dot for night vision. Which imo is the primary purpose of having a top dot. Or even a 45 degree dot.
u fuckers disparage my alibaba cloak i show u these handshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeQryt_NU2Y
>>64256992I find mine to be fairly usable1.5x is distracting enough to be annoyingDot costs like 2oz so nbd
>>64256982Wow its just like star wars irl
>>64256782It's so ogre for us ameribros
good magnifiers?
>>64257169g33
>>64257187what about the g43
>>64257169There are no bad magnifiers. Except the vortex mini.
Why is Pastebin such a fag? Like actually why does he care so much about his Friday furfag threads? He’s not an oldfag. Carbon has been here since 1960 basically. He’s literally some schizo that isn’t in anyone’s friend group and saves all our pictures. And if that wasn’t bad enough he treats his little furfag Friday collages as if they’re actually important. How about he gets a life? Idk. This is an image board, it’s not that serious.
>>64257233I don’t care, do something more productive like getting fags on twitter fired
>pastebin face reveal
>>64256722Ever try the 5x?
Should I get a ta02?
>>64257315What is it going on?
>>64257306No, I hear the eye box is tighter which is unappealing to meWaiting for Japanese version or one with optics cut before I get another
>>64257320I’m tempted if it goes on sale. I double check the weight on it compared to microdot + mount.
Behold! An abomination. Zucchini for scale.
>>64257335>abominationyou mean 2000s kino
>>64257386Precisely. Glorified varmit rifle soon.
>>64257319A 14.5
>>64257415Post it so judgement can be passed, but yes. It will be fine
>>64257433Ok jambo
>>64257433Tiger drop dickhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVwZMjgjm8
>>64257433Nigga
>>64257433go to the other thread
>>64257433Stay in this thread you can be my AR-15 bestie. Maybe more..
>>64257443fine>>64257450>Maybe more..like a gambling buddy???
>>64257433
>>64257433#justnythings
>>64257433Go to the other thread
>>64257233You are a hypocritical, dishonest piece of shit and represent only the worst of ARG. That said, I recognise the amount I'm investing is not sustainable for another year and will be concluding my part in Friday threads before the holiday season [likely September's end]. It's been a long time coming but the only regret I have was not demonstrating enough gratitude to my supporters. I know they understand
Five years ago, I lost thirty thousand hypocritical dishonest pieces of shit in the blink of an eye, and ARG just fuckin' watched. Tomorrow, there will be no shortage of regret, no shortage of gratitude. I know they understand.
I wish every schizo was funny as you, Shepherd poster. My favorite edit from you is the Dereyl one with the Indigenous face over his
>>64257520>the amount I'm investing is not sustainable for another yearpoorly photoshopping rifles out from flat backgrounds and putting them on another flat background with a picture of a cute fox you didnt draw yourself once a week is unsustainable amounts of effort? you definitely dont even cut them out yourself you use must use automask on 90% of them considering the artifacting and flat background requirementi have considered offering to mask out the rifles for you in the past but i doubt you would be willing to share your folders or accept helpif thats actually "unsustainable investment" for you why not drop to once a month on the last friday of the month or something
>>64257545Your weird for caring this much about what another man does with his life
>>64257565i personally appreciate what he does and would like to see him continue and i was hoping to reframe his idea that it requires unsustainable amounts of effort to continue by pointing out that it doesn't (or atleast shouldnt) take all that much effort to put the collages togetherthe effort probably mostly comes down to him stressing over who makes the cut or not my offer to take over masking the rifles out of the photos for him stands if he needs the help and i think my recommendation of slowing his pace down to once per month is better then stopping completely
>>64257580He'd probably be good at making infographics.
>>64257549HEYA HOYA HEYA HOYA HEYA HOYA
Carboners!!! Our thread is falling behind!! Rally!!!!
>>64257661I have defected and therefore seek penance and asylum
>>64257617HEYA HOYA SCHIZO CABRON
>>64257661The sooner it falls off the catalog, the better
>>64257545Even if my shit box machine wasn't perpetually on the verge of crashing to render these primitive edits, it's still detrimental to my already compromised psyche to be checking the thread at 5:00 AM and trying to anticipate how the next 24-48 hours will need to unfold>>64257580Thank you for the support and offer, anon but there's nothing than can be done when you've run out of ideas. I don't know how to make the edits funny anymore, I'm creatively spent
>>642566677.5 Chad reporting. Frt is on the way.
Should I build a 416 from a PD trade in upper or just get a BRN-4
The more I look at my piece of shit PRI lower the angrier I get What do I buy to replace this
>>64258144BRN-4 is unironically better
>>64258144Build a M27 from a BRN-4
>>64257847> checking the thread at 5:00 AM and trying to anticipate how the next 24-48 hours will need to unfoldWTF are you doing? Log off you fucking retard. This is the most autistic sentence I have ever read.
>>64257433Hard to believe you won't find someone in these threads who will pay out crypto for femboy bussy
>>64258126>cuck brace
>>64258493>Hard to believe you won't find someone in these threads who will pay out crypto for femboy bussyyah well obviously not considering i would be willing to do that or anything for free in exchange for a actual relationship and getting to be togetherif that was possible it probably would have happened in the last whatever 5 to 7 years when i was younger and more attractive and valueable the problem obviously is i am not attractive enough for someone to want to be in a relationship with i have seen guys on Instagram who are definitely in my opinion less attractive then me who are basically prostitutes so i think i can probably do the same thing at the very leastif i can get rich doing stuff like that it might make me worthwhile to be in a relationship with and offset me not being attractive enough
>>64258521Please kill yourself tyvm
>>64258532i would never kill myself nomatter how bad things get in my life or anything that happensit is always worth it to be alive over being dead i am hopeful that one day in my life death will be cured and i will be able to live foreverdying permanently is the only thing that scares me
>>64258542You have already died a death worse than what awaits you at the end of your natural lifespan
>>64258556ohwdymbtwww.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_T6atbfe0
ALL rifles you say? is there a single bullpup worth buying?
>>64258613yeahalmost all of them trade length for weight though at the minimum
>>64258623buying a famas right now
>>64258613AUG
>>64258149What's wrong with it?
>>64258149I feel you, I got a spikes tactical lower and it was visually out of spec.
jannies tongue my anus
/arg/ is actually kill?
>>64259532No, you're just in Carbon's fake and gay thread. The real one is over yonder >>64256676>>64256676>>64256676
>>64259532Bang pew pew pew BlooPFuck man I don't know, the turd burglers aggressively ran anyone with experience or cool builds off and when they're not doing troon discord drama the place is a ghost town. Here, I'll post one of my ARs and we can all rip on it like the good old days.
>>64259576That doesn't like the real thread, that looks like a furfags thread hijack.
>>64259577>roastI don't understand under barrel grenade launchers
>>64259576That ones pretty much done I'll just hang out here
It’s still raining on my dayz server
>>64259861
>>64259890is that the guy that likes sucking his "girlfriend" shlong?
>>64259705What don't you understand specifically? The grenade launcher? Or having it on the gun.
>>64259893>suckinghe wasn’t even faggoting correctly
Where is DM?
>>64259905Under barrel GL seems to be a solution in search of a problem to me. It makes your rifle unwieldy with the additional weight, changes how you hold your handguard to an un-optimal grip, all for the ability to shoot grenades which I think would be better served by having it be a standalone weapon. By that metric I also think the UB shotgun is stupid.
What's a good qd hub mount/muzzle device combo for .338? I want to swap the can between my ar15 and ar10 memeouts so I got a huxwrx range 36 ti thinking they made something to hook it to a m18x1.5 faxon, but then I discovered the horrible truth.
>>64259975Basically >When they came about, the other option was juggling a 20" rifle and a full stocked M79 simultaneously, or only carrying the grenade launcher >Even now, with stand-alone being a competing standard, you're at minimum adding more slings and straps and bullshit to an overloaded guy. Or leaving him without a rifle at all in some cases. >I just wanted to put all my LMT together so I can throughly hate just one object. But I do have pistol and folding stock chassis for it.It's really not as bad as you think it would be, either. The grip is comfortable and your thumb rests on a 9 o'clock tape switch naturally with it. They are significantly easier to shoot, and therefore "effectively" more accurate when used as stand-alone firearms though.
damn girl is that ass 12 gauge cause it blows my mind
>>64260030Are you talking about Courtney Love?
Hopefully your evening was productiveThread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0tf6CTvCg
>>64259577I just hate the grip and stock. When i carried a m203 the second i could switch to a standalone 320 i did and never looked back.
>>64258164I wish the handguards wernt so fucking expensive
>>64260056Them's fighting words, or something, IDK.How'd you carry the 320?
Is 12" of rail enough for a 20" barrel? I only really plan to mount a bipod.
>>64260310I like going as far as I can for iron sight radius
>>64260310>bipodYou can but it may be a little tight.
dead general?
>>64260496The shooter was a furry tranny chaser so everyone is probably all hiding and wiping their hard drives.
The A2 handguards that came on my upper are wobbly/twisty and it activates my autism. Is there a certain brand that's considered trustworthy for that, or is there a way I can shim them against the cap or something?
>>64260535it's fine
>>64260496Split thread, more people preferred FF
>>64260520>The shooter was a furry tranny chaserSource?
>>64256667I haven't shot in almost 6 months but just moved to a place I can put a berm in out back. I was thinking about using old tires in the center and covering them in dirt. What is the best way to construct a berm? Preferably cheaply.
>>64260633
>>64260520I’m saving more furry porn on to my hard drive
>>64260649
>>64257169unity 4x>>64260496It needs to be more dead. People should keep on shitposting and NEVER larping or shooting or doing anything cool >>64260633gonna catch alot of heat with this bro
>>64260644>muh egirl wearing her boyfriends kitThey should have atleast adjusted the NODs to actually be spaced for her to use for the picsEither way I wish I was half as attractive as she is>>64260655Already did last thread idc at all
Spr build. Lapping/shimming yay or nay? Barrel fit is snug but not a thermal fit.
>>64260630that doesnt sound too bad, maybe drive a post down the center of the tires to keep them in place and make sure to fully fil the inside of the tire as you pour the dirt. and while i think itll prolly cost more using pea gravel inside the tires instead of dirt might be a bit better
>>64260310>Hololive red dot>literal who suppressor>37mm flare launcherAnd it looks like something's wrong with your grip there>>64260588Correct, FF has always been the will of /arg/>>64260606NTA, but the governor of Utah stated the shooter had "Notices bulges. OWO, what's this?" written on the spent cartridge and his sodomy partner has been reported as an autogynephiliac >>64259963He's doing fine, I wouldn't worry about it>>64260655Why would you have an MOS slide if you're just running stock poly sights on that Glock 47
>>64260657You'll never have a boyfriend or night vision :'(
>>64260606https://x.com/Anc_Aesthetics/status/1966982617859059782
>>64260630Tires & dirt and what >>64260667 said. Maybe railroad ties behind the tires if you can source them cheaply. Watch your grading though. EPA gets touchy on groundwater so might want to build it in a manner that lends to easy reclamation if that’s your thing down the line. Or you could not care too.
Can I decuck a HK MR556 into a HK416?
>>64260275The holsters wernt out or issued yet it had like a hook thing that attached to my belt and a single point sling.
>>64260662Loctite 620
>>64260726Yep, guess it’s worth the work.
>>64260739
>>64260683I'm >>64260310. whuh?
>>64260606the whole internet
>>64260743>hey go train>haha nice try feddy boy
>>64260774
>>64260739Bye Derek the chud
>>64260787Based sandman
>>64260739Good message, but wrong pic. I don't think you can afford to train since you've been begging for 4 years for that 2k winter over suit. I'm just here to remind you that it'll never be yours filthy beggar
>>64260691You think he got to bust that ass open that night? I've heard cops say there's nothing better than sex after taking a man's life
>>64260794>tfw your 71 year old retired fbi daddy leaves you out to dry and you're doing life in the pen
>>64260798why doesn't this bitch ass just put it on his momma's krazy kredit kard eh tony
>>64260798Dude I don't want the Swedish camo anymore, I've changed to MC:A I just keep posting the pic because I've gone too long to stop>>64260806Oh that's who that was? The schizo who passed the FBI building, a synagogue, Soros' house to shoot up a grocery store?
>>64260819absolute gooner that edged himself with furry pr0n on livestream before doing it
>>64260691I am getting a FUCK ton of mileage out of that patch I made 5 years ago kek
>>64260798>>64260819I also haven't been buying a lot of gear since I'd have to drive 4 hours to train with it.More concerned about getting out of my state first.
>>64260684You don't know thatI could buy night vision right now if I wanted toAnd I could definitely find some boy to date if I went on Grindr (yuck) or something like thatBut I don't want to settle for dating a normalfag I want a 4chan boyfriend at minimum and preferably a /k/ommando boyfriend>>64260798When I win Powerball I'm going to buy him the overwhites no strings attached
>>64256694>$280 on meme chinkshityou deserve it
Imagine being such a faggot that you have to make a thread 10 minutes after someone else does and try to convince everyone why that yours is the real thread. You’re posting on a 30 year old Japanese American anime board and so invested in being the OP for a thread that reaches the bump limit twice a day that you get butthurt if someone else does you the favor of posting it. Just imagine being that mentally ill. Like actually think how mentally ill you’d have to be to care that you didn’t get to be the op for a 4chan thread
>>64260830>tfw "no strings attached"
>>64260813Cause that’s what this is you know. Satanic black magic!! Sick shit!! Ton'
>>64260830he won't fuck you, bro.
>>64260830>I could buy night vision right now if I wanted tolol>And I could definitely find some boy to date if I went on GrindrYou could find a fag to fuck your ass but nobody will ever want to spend any amount of time with you
>>64260830>I could buy night vision right now if I wanted tosure bud
>>64260840
>>64260840Imagine being schizo cabron and making one 10 posts before bump limit so we can't have a weekly tradition because he doesn't like it
>>64260830>I could buy night vision right now if I wantedlel>no strings attachedyou just can't help but say some weird shit every single time and it is absolutely hilarious
>>64260868Maybe more than just he is tired of the furfag threads. I seem to recall mods even deleting one.
>>64260841>>64260844>he won't fuck you, bro.I didn't say he would and that's why I said "no strings attached" specifically because I figured that might be the implicationI just think it would be funny to see everyone seethe and meltdown from seeing him actually get the overwhites plus I think he probably deserves them after this long manifesting them>>64260851>nobody will ever want to spend any amount of time with youI don't believe this is true I believe there must be someone out there who would be willing to be in a loving and lasting relationship together with me the problem is just finding them>>64260853I just spent over $1000 on Labubus and you don't think I could afford what $2500 to $3000 on night vision??I have basically spent that before on night vision and maybe I just don't feel like spending the money againWhen I finish the military after I join I will buy night vision then since I will have a lot of money saved up and it will be a tiny little fraction insted of basically all of my moneyI am still planning to buy a Steyr Scout and I will be building a PC soon so I would rather spend the money on those versus personal night vision that I won't even get to use for 4 to 6 years while I am in the military >>64260872Why is that "weird shit" to say I don't understand thatIt is because I would not expect anything from it just that I would get him the overwhites both to make everyone else upset and because he would definitely like having them more then most people want anything in general
>>64260868SCHIZO CABRON COMING IN HOT
>>64260879>I just spent over $1000 on Labubusyou shouldn't admit that
>>64260879Post your labubus
>>64260879I'm still waiting for you to transition, dress like Karen Carpenter, and starve yourself for me.
>>64260873Don't look at the first post. Just keep scrolling lil nigga. Don't click the picture.
>>64260900
>>64260879>I think he probably deserves them after this long manifesting themRespect
>>64260906He just wants to get in your pants
>>64260903You could just not post furfag threads. That's an option too.
>>64260879>Why is that "weird shit" to say I don't understand thatand that's exactly why it's so fucking funny
>>64260911I'm not PB, I just enjoy you people seething over it and like the collages
>I liek the collaegs
Anyone ever go to peacemaker range in WV?
>>64260926Somebody got left out, lmaoooo
>>64260891Well people are acting like I don't have any money or something which is not true at allPlus I will maybe try to resell all of the extra ones that I don't want and make most of my money backI was able to get around being banned and buy more by buying from the PopMart stores on TikTok rather then the PopMart app so I got more sets for Big into Energy and hopefully I will be able to get a set of Exciting Macaron aswellAll of the "pop now" sets I have gotten of Big into Energy from the PopMart app did not have the Secret "ID" that I want so I will try to resell all of them besides my very first one I got "Luck" The sets from TikTok I won't know what ones I got until they get here so maybe I will get the Secret from them or maybe I will resell them all aswellI will not try to resell any of the Exciting Macaron set if I can get one single set because I want all of them as they are the ones I want to dress upAlso I am not evil reselling the Big into Energy sets I am going to sell them for the price I paid or even cheaper just to make some of my money back or maybe I will just keep them all I don't knowI have like 30 or something just of Big into Energy >>64260896I don't have them yet besides "Lychee Berry" from Exciting Macaron who I have posted beforeAll of the others are shipped and should be here in a week or two but I am waiting on them>>64260900Deal if trueIt is probably to late for me to transition though sadly I should have done that at like 16 or younger>>64260906>Respect/)>>64260917K
>>64260921Same I find it funny.
>>64260868The j&s were actively deleting posts when I baked. It hit bump limit twice, nigger
this thread is proof positive we have ten years before hitman: absolution
>>64260936stop replying to everyone, you're really not that important.
so what are everyones thoughts on the bcm chrome lined barrels? once tax stamps get reduced illl be doing an fbi hrt/regional teams build and im deciding between that, DD, geissele, and thoroughbreds (does look suspiciously like BCM's except quite cheaper)
>>64260936I thought you said you were shooting more?
>>64260840>>64260939
>>64260944I don't think I am important I just don't feel like I get to be social very much so I like getting to talk with people especially about things I like or find interesting I mostly only reply to people who reply to me first and it is better to make one large reply versus a bunch of spread out ones as it uses less of the bump limit and people can hide or ignore my posts easier aswell as other reasonsI am anon posting on a anonymous imageboard that I have been a user of probably way longer then you have so I like to get to "blogpost" about things going on in my life from time to time as I have noone else to share that with>>64260950I am I don't see why you say that as if my post implies I am not shooting moreNext Monday I am going to the Pennsylvania State Game Lands Public Range for the first time as hopefully most people will be at work during the morning and stuff and then I will hopefully go twice a week every week
>>64260963>ur opinion is fire but the /arg/ powers that be cant admit it
>>64260970>PA state game lands public rangeawww no you aint cuz
>>64260868>10 posts before bump limitDude thats nothing, wastebin is baking at fucking 275 lmao
>>64260936>Deal if trueAlright, stop eating now then. Post progress
guys are these "Rogue Ops" ARs cool or fake and gay?
>>64260970>Next Monday I am going to the Pennsylvania State Game Lands Public Range for the first time as hopefully most people will be at work during the morning and stuff and then I will hopefully go twice a week every weekreport submitted. After the Charlie thing we cant take any chances with mentally ill people marauding around while armed anymore. I hope you enjoy your freak asylum boyfriend
>>64260970Lets get a better look at that brass deflector
>>64260993Based!
>>64261007Some of you might be wondering why I used the KAC logo here Simply to drive down demand so I can buy them cheaper. You're fucking welcome
>>64260980There are multiple different Public Ranges at the many different Game Lands the one I am planning to go to is not closed and from Googling it seems like that one is also reopened now and was only closed to be remodeled>>64260983Fine I guess I don't care anymoreDo you have a discord or something I will send you photos of myself or whatever as I would rather not "post progress" openly in public as that is weird>>64260999Okay well enjoy going to prison for false police reports because I have never done anything bad like that and I never would and never threatened or anything so implying that I am some kind of dangerous or bad person is ridiculous and actually false submitting a fake report or anything like that to the police or federal is a crime>>64261002I never claimed to have shot thousands and thousands of rounds through my AR I usually bring all my guns with me in a big duffle bag when I go shootingI have probably shot close to 1000 rounds through it in totalBut you can still see some wear atleast on the brass deflector where it is cutting through the brown paint a bit and showing more green underneath
>>64261013>KAC>cheaperLMAO
>>64260933Yes. Decent facility but have fun watching the orientation video. See you out there.
>>64261031
>>64261029tell it to the authorities you freak>1000 roundsthat is not what a brass deflector looks like after 1000 rounds you lying faggot nigger lover
>>64261029On Kirk grave It just looks like you scuffed the part that sticks out I don't see any evidence of a thou rou ngl famula rosa
So uh, goyssele URGI? Looks pretty cool
>>64261041That is just guessing based on how much .223 I have left and stuff like thatI don't keep track of all of the shooting I ever do plus I have touched up my paint before and stuff like thatAlso I did alot of my shooting on my old 12.5 AR and my KelTec SU16I have atleast hundreds of rounds up to 1000 rounds through this specific AR I don't know why that is so hard to believe it's not like I am claiming to have shot 10000s of rounds and I shoot mostly cheap steelcase .223Call it 500 rounds then whatever I don't care and it doesn't matter to meI am going to do a lot more shooting in the next few months so it double doesn't matter to me at all>>64261053I am not talking about the part that sticks out that is black because it gets scuffed in the duffle bag with the other guns or when I put it on the ground at the rangeI am talking about more in the middle where there is a small wear pattern and the brown is cutting through to show green underneath Either way I have not shot a crazy amount of rounds through this upper and I do not shoot at a high tempo as I can only load 10 rounds at a time and it takes time to reload my fixed magazineI don't even get it it's like you are both accusing me of never having shot my guns before which is just literally not trueI don't have a perfect specific number to give you and I'm sorry that my brass deflector does not have super operator 10k rounds downrange wear on it
>>64261063I think u shot 2 mags thru it
>>64261072Definitely not but whatever if you want to call it that I won't argue the point is that I am going to do a ton of shooting soon hopefully thousandS of rounds downrange Also it is not how much mags you dump at trash but more important how accurate you areAlso I have practiced dry firing and other things in the past to where I don't flinch or jerk the gun as I pull the trigger so I don't care at all about what you are saying or implying and in a few months when I post pictured of my gun you will be crying about the brass deflector still and I still won't careAnd I will also eventually enter a shooting competition and do good and I will ask to see your medal or trophy or whatever they give out to winners and you won't have one or anything to say
>>64261081Alright fair enough but why do you type like that? Crack rock?
>>64261060What even started the black upper ddc/tan handguard thing with this?
>>64261094Breaking up patterns I assumeIn a desert hopefully the handguard and stock would blend in with the sand and the black receiver would just look like a rockVersus being solid tan and standing out more as a single object
>>64261094Beats me to be honest, maybe with the magpul rail covers for the block II? Plus that rail was already like dark brown so the tan covers made it kinda look like that. I dig it a lot honestly
>>64261092Type like what I just write what I think and feelI don't do crack and I never have ever and I never would especially as people in my family have had problems with hard drug use and addiction I also don't care at all about your stupid website as I know my IQ is way higher then whatever nonsense it says especially considering I did extremely good on my ASVAB and got over a 90 and ontop of that every idea and thing I have always gets proven true and even when people disagree years later it turns out I was actually way ahead of the meta and was right about everything So cry more I literally do not care at all
>>64261107Yeah you got that addict smell, I can detect it
After September, I won't have to see these fags constantly thinking about me anymore
I like 308
>>64261156.308 rocks, I just wish it was smaller, lighter, but still retained high velocity… sigh
More like pooper duty
>>64261148Careful with your language buddy, that's highly vague and suggestive. Submitted a tip to the fbi just to err on the side of caution
Help, I had a traumatic brain injury and don't remember when or where or why I bought this upper. Anyone identify the forge mark?
>>64261246Oh that’s the limited edition square series produced by square armaments company from 2012 to mid 2015 before the square was deemed gay as fuck by socom and then the infantry at large
>>64261246>>64261253Yeah they just mark it with a C now
>>64261253Salty ass nigga
>>64261246SQUARE
>>64261263I bet you don’t have the URGS-upper receiver groups square
>>64261274I don't. I just have this square. Im pretty sure I got it off some random on tacswac back in the day
>>64261281Much respect, honestly the square series was a little ahead of its time but the round series was much better overall and I think the army made a good move switching
>>64261284Post kino marks then
>>64261287Mine has a keyhole on it. The rifle does not keyhole so I feel a little ripped off frankly
>>64261290I need more consoom suggestions
dude weed lmao
What the fuck happened in here? I went to bed for like two hours and I come back to a god damn asylum riot
>>64261393Go back
where can you buy tungsten weights for buffers? everything seems more expensive than just buying complete H2s and binning my carbine buffers
>>64261425I could not care less for itI buy the buffers
>>64261433reduce, reuse, recycle
>>64261439Retard
>>64261446headass
More like super doodie
super pooper scooper
>>64260662All three, they're not mutually exclusive. Thermal fit isn't worth worrying about if you're doing the other stuff and honestly even doing those three is next to irrelevant in comparison with the performance of the barrel. You'd be better served honing and lapping the barrel and honestly even the seasoning meme if you had to choose one or the other. But the dimensions and machining of the barrel are the biggest factor so just get a good barrel and worry about fucking with the upper only if you're severely bored and autistic>>64261060Whatever you want, if you're willing to look like a mind-broken consoomer who gets bent over by brands then fill your boots la>>64261246Not from a forge mark alone you dip>>64261488Correct
>>64261546What would the not consumer objectively correct choice be?
>>64261569For what
>>64261591Uhh the same role as the URGI I guess: 14.5” generalist infantry rifle, good with and without suppressor, shit like that
How viable is 5 coupled 40 round pmags?
>>64261596The answer is the same as the last dozen times we've had this conversation. Geissele don't make bad stuff, but it is hypebeast shit for fatherless boys raised by yourube and you absolutely are paying more for the label than the quality alone would command. Dollar for dollar LWRCI will be better and will be neck and neck in objective performance. Their BCGs and upper designs have much more appealing strengths than the Geissele equivalent, and their barrels are equally accurate if you can look past the fugly spiral fluting. But it's clear from you constantly farming replies on this that you want a Geissele so just get what you want and stop worrying about what people say
>>64261661inb4 he posts 300 times begging for g$ like overwhites
>>64261081If you shoot thousands of rounds off the bench at a PA Game Lands range you really are insane>And I will also eventually enter a shooting competitionHopefully you'll only need to shoot 10 rounds per stage
>>64261060Yeah
>>64261698>If you shoot thousands of rounds off the bench at a PA Game Lands range you really are insaneWhy would that be insane to doIf I go 10 times and shoot 100 rounds each time I go that will be 1000 rounds very quick It is only 10 reloads for 100 roundsIf I go 2 times a week that is only 5 weeks to 1000 rounds>Hopefully you'll only need to shoot 10 rounds per stageIf I enter a shooting competition in New York it will definitely be 10 round limited obviously and I guess I would use a different rifle such as my SU16 with detachable magazines or I would enter a bolt action rifle competition with my Mauser or my Mosin or I would do rimfire Rimfire would almost be cheating though because I have a tube fed .22 that is legally allowed to have more rounds then 10 in the tube magazine Or if it was actually only 10 rounds at all in the stage and then you get time to reload off the clock I would bring my ARI'm not really sure how shooting competitions work or the different types so I would have to see
>>64261747>Why would that be insane to doBecause it's boring shooting off a bench at a fixed ranged target after so long.>If I go 10 times and shoot 100 rounds each time I go that will be 1000 rounds very quickYou said thousands, not one thousand>It is only 10 reloads for 100 roundsIt's not, you're only allowed to load 6 rounds at a timeAlso if you don't have a spotting scope to see your target you're gonna have a bad time
>>64261754>Because it's boring shooting off a bench at a fixed ranged target after so long.Well I am sure that I could take shots standing up aswellAnd maybe sometimes I will go to the quarry I shoot at near me I mostly want to go to Pennsylvania because the range has good distance The quarry I shoot at is only 25m max>You said thousands, not one thousandYes but you can make it moreFor example if I shoot 200 rounds each time or if I go 20 times that would be 2000 rounds or 200 rounds AND 20 times would be 4000 rounds>It's not, you're only allowed to load 6 rounds at a timeSays whoFrom what I understand there are no rules or RSOs and I am not there hunting I am target shooting I don't have a hunting permit my permit is specifically for target shooting at the range>if you don't have a spotting scope to see your target you're gonna have a bad timeI have a 3x magnifier and I'm pretty sure my range finder has magnification but fair enough I guess I will buy a spotting scope they are not very expensive
>>64261764Says the rules and signs between every bench there. There's always a chance a game warden could be therehttps://www.pacodeandbulletin.gov/Display/pacode?file=/secure/pacode/data/058/chapter135/subchapJtoc.html&d=reduce>>64261764>I have a 3x magnifier and I'm pretty sure my range finder has magnificationNot enough at 100 yards. And bring a staple gun, too so you can hang your targets
>>64261792oofwell i can do 6 and then 4 for 10 so its not the biggest deal ever but that is super lame>Not enough at 100 yardsyes i agree which is why i said i will buy a spotting scopei had not really considered that i mostly figured i would just go off hearing my plate ping to know if i hit or not but it would be better to actually see it to train accuracy>And bring a staple gun, too so you can hang your targetsi have a steel target i was hoping to use but reading the link you sent im not sure if that is allowedit says paper targets must be hung on a permanent backboard mounted by "the commission"and steel targets must be placed and mounted by "the commission"so is it not allowed to bring my own steel target and lean it or mount it with a chain to a post or backboard?do they have steel targets already at the ranges?i do have paper targets but that seems very annoying and difficult to have to constantly go downrange to change out the paper target after only like what 5 groups eachi guess it would be aiming for the top right corner top left corner bottom left corner bottom right corner and the center so that would give me 5 groups on each target and then i would have to go change it out? that seems difficult and annoyingi dont understand why everything has to be so difficult i wish i could just find a spot in the woods were i can shoot for 100m and setup my steel target and do what i want but that is just impossiblei guess i will have to buy a stupid staple gun and staples and stuff aswell just to even have targets to shoot at
>>64261852Don't bring a steel target. If there isn't one there you've gotta use paper. It's just another reason you get sick of shooting there. There's enough room to hang two paper targets next to each other, but it gets old changing them out. Buy ones with multiple bullseyes on them. The whole point of these shooting ranges is just getting a rifle ready for hunting.
>>64257520>Shit up other generals for years>Have total meltdowns when people start messing with you or giving mild criticismYou deserve it. Im glad the lowest tier of bullying is destroying your mental health.
>>64261881>The whole point of these shooting ranges is just getting a rifle ready for huntingI guess that makes sense but the rules definitely still seem unfairI definitely do appreciate the information and your advice though it definitely will help alotMaybe I will not constantly go there to shoot but I will try to go often like maybe every other week or something so I can get practice at a decent distance I will try to go to the quarry more near my house for most of my shooting I guess just for fun and to practice shooting while moving and laying down and other positions aswell as just general fundamentals such as recoil control and etcI guess I should have done more research before I bought my permit but I still think it is basically my only option for long range shooting at 100m or more anywhere within 2 hours of meThere is one other long range shooting range near me much closer only 40 minutes versus a hour and a half but it costs like $100 just to shoot there for like 2 hours or something it is crazy expensive versus $30 bought me a year pass to the PA rangesMaybe I will also do more research as to if there are good forests I can shoot at in Pennsylvania but I'm pretty sure I have done that in the past and most of them are hunting lands that would be iffy to target shoot in most of the year and require a full hunting permitMaybe I can find sand or dirt pits though to shoot at such as where I used to shoot near my house that was sadly shut down because people dumped a ton of trash thereI think them shutting that down was unfair as all of the trash (refrigerators car parts etc) was all just piled onto the huge dirt mound berm and not really that badSure the ground was covered in shells and cases but what can you expect it was a shooting rangeI think that it should have been left alone as it was a great range and had both iirc 25m and 50m and like a 80ish m
When tuning a carbine with an adjustable gas block which is more preferable?>standard spring & buffer>light spring heavy buffer>heavy spring heavy bufferIf you can tune your gas to accomodate any setup, which setup is optimal?
Innit kinda weird how we had people it denying the shooter was trans or leftist.
>>64262009stick to tubb springstart with h2 bufferchange buffer weight if needed
>>64261546Thanks. Yep going to be doing the works. Barrel is stainless. Going to see how it works out. I don’t think it’s a stellar white oak/cle type barrel but hopefully shouldn’t be too bad. It *may* be a Wilson arms barrel, but not sure. Upper is likely fine but I’m going to do all the autistic shit anyways
>>64262009Heavy spring heavy buffer for maximum reliability Although I guess you could run into reliability issues with case rim separation or something like that
What's bunnis Twitter handle againHaha just to socialize. No malicious intent
>>64261930>I guess I should have done more researchThis is my one time being helpful to you, but you should do what you did here and listen to people and not assume you know everything. Just take advice and don't be abrasive. People will hate you a lot less. Good luck, I know you'll take it as an attack and not listen
>>64262041I do listen to people and take advice when it is good advice that I did not know such as just nowMost of the time it is people arguing with me about stuff I am right about that is hard to really prove one way or the other and I am going against the grain so everyone just assumes I am wrong when I am correct and dogpiles me unfairly (such as with QD sling mounts for example)I do not think I am abrasive at all I am just trying to have conversations with people not act like a "know it all" or anything but things that I believe and know are true just because people don't agree with me doesn't meant I should be forced to agree with them for no reason without proof that they are actually correct and I am wrongI have admitted I am wrong in the past and changed my opinions when I assumed stuff but people had actual proof of the opposite being trueAnd it is to late to make people not hate me here or anywhere everyone hates me even my family and my "friends" who I have known forever never will hang out with me in person and clearly only barely "tolerate" me being around them onlineI don't understand why that is because I see people online who seem similarish to me but they have strong bonds and friend groups and are not judged and etc but it just is what it is I am a unlikeable person and there is nothing I can do to change thatI am more "tolerable" when I am quiet and don't say anything but then what is the point because the second I do speak about my opinions or interests I am right back to square one so I am over itI do understand you are not attacking me intentionally I guess but it is just not helpful advice that I actually know how to DO anything with
>>64262065>Most of the time it is people arguing with me about stuff I am right about that is hard to really prove one way or the other and I am going against the grain so everyone just assumes I am wrong when I am correct and dogpiles me unfairlySee nigga you're doing it now. At best just say they have a different opinion and move on
>>64262079I don't understand why other people are allowed to have opinions and such but not me and I have to keep my opinions and feelings and beliefs to myself
>>64262088You can have them. You can not like sling QDs. But you just always seem to think your opinion is the only right one and you're smarter than anybody who disagrees. Its always over the dumbest shit too.
/arg/ counseling in the wee hours. Im having my coffee and doing my studies and morning ablutions. Gods morning.
>>64262114But for things like sling QDs for example I do think my opinion is the only right oneIt would be very bad for example if a QD sling mount making noise gave away your position and got you killed or people that were with you killedI don't think I am smarter then everyone I just think that people assume because something is very common that it is "right" when I feel you should make up your own opinions on thingsI feel like the stuff I "argue" about is not "dumb shit" either I think it is very important stuff such as Sling QDs making noise which is bad or many suppressors having poor flash suppression which could give away your position at night Or that civilians or militias or etc non standard military running comms would be easily tapped and triangulated even if they are encrypted aswell as other things along those linesIt is important things that I think would get people killed or etc which is why I think it is important to try and make people understand why it is wrongI don't know how else to explain that properly
>>64262065You need help. Get off this website and seek help. > And it is to late to make people not hate me here or anywhereeveryone hates me even my family and my "friends" who I have known forever never will hang out with me in person and clearly only barely "tolerate" me being around them onlineI don't understand why that is because I see people online who seem similarish to me but they have strong bonds and friend groups and are not judged and etc but it just is what it is I am a unlikeable person and there is nothing I can do to change thatIts not your fault your mom was not sober while she was pregnant with you or that you were neglected as a child, whatever fucked you up developmentally, but you do need to take your well being into your own hands and seek help if you want your life to improve and for people not to dislike you or be unsettled by you wherever you tread. It’s not hopeless for you but you have to be your number one and get your head right. Stop drinking, smoking, and using this website. I know your probably broke as fuck but there is free help available too. Your suffering can end but if you keep doing what you’ve been doing it will stay the same at best but likely get worse
>>64262139I tried.
>>64262145Its wasted on someone who refuses to get themselves basic help for their fucked up mental health. This site is literally the worse place for somebody with issues like him. Shoenigga you are not gun einstein. If qd slings were such a liability some autist on 4chan wouldnt be the one to figure that out, it would have compromised soldiers in the field and everybody would have came to your conclusion. You are wrong. Qd slings are used by professionals everyday without issues.
>>64262145You had to mention his trigger word, Quack Ducktach
>>64262160>This site is literally the worse place for somebody with issues like himThis site is why he's this way. Hes admitted to being here since he was a kid
>>64262131Four AR-15 matches in total last night and not a single knock out. ArmaLite boxing is fake and gay
>>64262164Kinda like the Kirk shooter
>>64262144>you do need to take your well being into your own handsWell i am trying to do that and turn my life around by going to the gym and running and stoping drinking and smoking and everything else and also joining the military to get discipline and structure and build strong bonds with peopleI do kind of feel like it is hopeless though but I will keep trying anyway because there is always a chance that things will work out in the endI don't like therapists though it is very fake and I have had bad experiences with themI never want to stop using 4chan though I have been here basically my entire life I can't imagine never coming here againIf I was crazy rich the first thing I would do would be to buy 4chan so I can't be three dayed anymore and also make sure it never goes away>>64262145I appreciate your advice and the things you say just I am not sure what to do with them because to me it seems like you are saying I just have to shut up and not have opinions or disagree with anyone or rock the boatAnd I get that that would make me more likeable But people do not want me around them or to be around me regardless of anything anyway so it doesn't even really matter if I am more likeable or notAnd then when I say any of my opinions or anything it is back to square one of just being outright hated
>>64262139Sling qds don’t make much noise. It’s not going to be the thing that gives away your position. If someone is trying to kill you they are going to be advancing on you and clearing the place not sitting there waiting for the slightest noise.
>>64262173>Not watching the best yearly vintage AR15 racing eventCouldn't be me.https://www.youtube.com/live/gd_wMcXJiGw
>>64262182The situation I imagine is say you are in a hidesite for some reason either observation or a ambush or anything else and there is a patrol going by or something You raise your rifle to ready position and the sling mount rattles and they hear it and then you are dead along with everyone else with youIt would not be someone knows you are there already and is advancing on you it would be trying to be stealthy and giving away your position basically Or even if they know you are there say clearing a building you are defending your sling mount rattling could let them know you are in whatever room and where in the room you are and things like that if that all makes senseMaybe it is unlikely or rare occasions but it definitely could matterI mean think about Vietnam and things like thatPeople would tape up the stuff in there pockets or Alice pack frames and things so things wouldn't rattle and make noise and give away there positions or alert people to them movingSmall sounds may not matter a huge huge deal but they definitely do matter alot
>>64262181> If I was crazy rich the first thing I would do would be to buy 4chan so I can't be three dayed anymore and also make sure it never goes awayJesus fucking christ, you are truly fucked if this shithole controls your life like that> Well i am trying to do that and turn my life around by going to the gym and running and stoping drinking and smoking and everything else and also joining the military to get discipline and structure and build strong bonds with peopleThe military will fuck you up more and potentially get your gun rights removed when you catch a dishonorable. You dont try to do those things you just fucking do them. You dont ween off smoking, you fucking stop. I dont know how much you drink but unless your killing a bottle a day just fucking cut it. >I don't like therapists though it is very fake and I have had bad experiences with themFind a better one that works for you or suffer eternally. Quit listening to retards like sam hyde there are professionals who can help you.
>>64262199>no AR-15 collisionsI'm sorry, bro but that's fake and gay too>>642621754chan went online before that cock smoker was born, he was shaped by ChinkTok
>>64262218There's contact and wrecks all the time. These guys go hard
>>64262204I feel like you have never been outside before. Like one trip outside would alleviate these fears. You have seen too many movies.
>>64262214Ngl these kinds of guys are better off finding a job they like, not the military. Go to trade skoo
im so lonely
>>64262363Same
>>64262363Bruh it's Sunday morning
Are the anons who were talking about the pork sword and takedown rifles still around? Haven’t seen the furrys around lately. Ashcord seems quiet too
>>64262391Yeah there was a glow in here anticipating tranny movement on the shooting so they went completely radio silent. He was asking for bunnis info like 2 days before Kirk shootan.Oops, that was me. Hi frens
>>64262391What do you want to know about them? Also, y’all motherfuckers in all these discords while I gotta fight for a slice of bread.
Is there any specific brake thats objectively the best at recoil mitigation? Only shooting 5.56 but still want it to be as controllable as possible.
>>64262416Surefire brake works well, any teo port brake will work about the same. Tbh youd be better off with a suppressor unless youre doing a competition rifle or something like that.
>>64262218Nah. Discord trannies are breeding grounds.
>>64262416Precision armament hypertap. More for competition than aesthetics
>>64262416ultradyne makes some pretty effective ones. have an Apollo S on my wife's "sniper" AR. Not that .223 has much recoil to begin with but it literally feels like a .22
>>64262416Hypertap, Nero, or M905
Should I buy some running shoes for my AR15 and get some cardio for once?
Alright gents, it’s time. What are the best looking, most aesthetic AR-15?! It can be a full rifle, upper receiver, or even rail, whatever you think is the hottest on an AR, post!Bonus question: if you were a merc, what rifle would you take to patrol and guard your company’s interest in a failed state?
>>64262615shmingledorp
>>64262615BCMBCM
>>64262631Asking to get raped here, pal>>64262634BCM bros? This true? Saw the recce-14 in that terminal list show some of the guys were talking about last week, looks pretty cool
>>64262615
>>64262665Fuck no. I hate how the rail like dips down and then back up at the very end for the top section
>>64262615My rifle is the most aesthetic and I WILL defend my local kroger subsidiary with my LIFE to ensure the surrounding Jewish communities can safely access a clean supply of matzo >post riflehah yeah no
>>64262615Dd uppers are accurate and their rails are good. Poi doesnt change when bracing off the rail so ill continue using those until marty fucks up
>>64262678wtf anon, can you at least post one similar to yours then?>>64262682Yeah I hear lots of good things about DD, and obviously the risII is bombproof, though I haven’t heard much from their risIII rail
>>64262021$5 feeler gauges at harbor freight make for good shim stock. That and some sleeve retaining loctite will be an affordable way to do it. Do the lapping by hand, don't use power tools>>64262615Centurion
>>64262690Love the ris3
>>64261881>pic of gun towards power infrastructureThis is why everyone laughs at demoralized generals which did not nipped in the bud vatnik/pol spammers
>>64262701Looks pointed to the left of it but ok freak
>>64262695>lappingliterally not need anymore never was really
>>64262701>power infrastructuremoron
Okay but what labubus have you bought recently?
>>64262752/arg/ is big into energy
>>64262756I realized the secret ID labubu he’s spent $700 trying to get is the one they used in South Park so that’s kinda lame, thought he had some personal taste for a minute.
>>64262695Anything from centurion in particular stand out as hot?>>64262699>1 oz difference from the ris IIHeh
ML almost dropped his moose head
What in the fuck is a labubu? I thought only women bought those. Does /ARG/ really have trannies? I thought you guys were joking
>>64262797bait
>>64262797No, he's a gay who wishes he transitioned when he was younger but thinks he's too old now.
My suspicion was right that the more obsessed with trannies my AR-15 is, the more it actually likes trannies
>>64262797Why do you think it is so quiet here? The fbi is investigating the shooters discord and associates.
My ar-15 has no interest in trannies! Can you say the same? Do *you* know what your ar-15 is doing online?
>>64262820Something about this study seems kinda flimsy..
>>64262820My ar doesn’t get any screentime.
>>64262822It makes you feel personally attacked?
>>64262827Not particularly, no. Just seems kind of poorly done and researched
>>64262828P-value?
>>64262813>>64262820this is like the study about white states searching for interracial porn then you find out that all the big places have super larger black men populations
>>64262828seems pretty simple imo. They looked up data that correlates to conservative preference and mapped it over online searches for trans porn.
>>64262846Who cares.
>>64262847Well the first graph just looks up “red” metropolitan area without taking into account demographics, while the second one just seems like complete nonsense. The whole thing seems like straight pseudoscience
>>64262865okay anin
>>64262820This is just the "spaghetti is straight until it's wet" fallacy that trannies love. Which you are. Actually I think you're a chaser. Only fags chasers or trannies say that shit, it's an instant tell.
It's a common trick leftists use in information warThere are documented namefag trannies ITT = You're obsessed with trannies cause you like tranny pornThe Kirk shooter was a tranny fucker = trannies don't existBlatant Bolshevik shit age old Jewish pot stirring
>>64262916
>>64262916>Israeli flag>leftistwhat
Pretty funny a movement like TPUSA had two founders and one died from COVID and the other died from gun violence. That's a little on the nose, don't you think?
Why is Alaska Cabron so petty about pastebin making threads on Friday? He makes it personal. I don't even know why we don't bully him on account of him never—EVER—posting ar-15's. I'm SICK of it. Sick of allowing these external piston conversions to think they're true ARs. They'll always be bastardized ar-18s and historians will see their remains and know them as such
Everything they say about Charlie Kirk is what they want to say about every right winger. There's no conversation here.
>>64262957Tbf it would be really nice to have a Friday with no furry nonsense
>>64262962Sounds like PBs calling it quits so if hes not lying and addicted to 4chan you may get your wish
>>64262852Why peddle lies?
>>64262962it's one Op picture, Cabron. The other anon the other day was right, why care if he's doing us a favor so you don't have to make your own thread. Not to mention these threads are always petty, with no guns posted for the few hundred replies usually, and dripping with schizoisms. Genuinely why are you so weird about this, Alaskafag? You pretend to have an air of being better than it all in the woods yet you still need to make sure you make threads to spite some literal who you've never met while you're supposedly trying to get away from it all in the woods? It's weird
>>64262971you're the one who said it's bullshit I don't think it is. I think it's telling how much of a reaction it illicits
>>64262975I’m not any of those people, I actually own an AR. It’s just pretty gay to have a furry OP every Friday, shits embarassing
>>64262980Well yeah, lying generally annoys people.
>>64262981It's embarrassing for who? Nigga just close your eyes hahaha like how is this the reason for splitting generals and having these schizo-schisms. Whether you're Cabron or not is kinda immaterial
>>64262983You first need to prove it's lying, otherwise you're just being defensive. If you claim something is a lie without verifying it's telling
>>64262988Easily dismissed, already done so.
>>64262985Why do we have to have a furry Friday and none of the other generals do? I just don’t like it, but I’m also not competing to make threads, so I think me not being that namefag is pretty relevant
>>64262991Lying to yourself is sad
>>64262996Projection.
>>64262993Caring this much is gay and retarded and splitting threads is more annoying than a single furry op picture. I don't understand why you think arg is srs business. Post your rifle at least
>>64262997not the one that dismisses things that challenge my fragile worldview.
>>64262999This is boring.
>>64263001okay man
>>64262998I’m not splitting threads! I’m not doing anything, I just just don’t like this being the one furry general lmao. I’ll post it in the next thread, this one’s about kaput
>>64263002Why are you crying?
>>64262988Nta but I said it earlier but it’s very clearly just poorly researched pseudoscience, using logical fallacies such as correlation=causality, especially in a metropolitan area without taking into account demographics
>>64263004And I don't think a single furry picture once a week for a single thread means this entire general is a furry general.
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>>64262993Don’t forget law enforcement Tuesday
>>64262785their quads and CMR rails. Even centurion can't make slitmod look good
>>64262744no not really but it has been useful for me to get a barrel better aligned within a handguard for gas block clearance or sight alignment so I'm not zeroing with the rear way off centre
