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>>64289031They're basically these: > https://lkchensword.com/
>>64288889the most sovlful conflict in the world right now?
>>64289075I'm familiar with his product line (my next sword purchase will probably be from him) but I want an actual modern officer's jian. If I start searching seriously he's actually the first person I was going to email since he's the only internet personality I know in the Chinese sword manufacturing scene.
>>64289116I tend to think so. That knife fight in Ukraine was pretty kino but they don't do that often enough.
>>64289131In all seriousness they're probably from LK Chen or a similar factory in China. The PLA doesn't sell surplus or overstock, though, so you're not going to get an "actual" one unless LK Chen hooks you up.
>>64289198>or a similar factory in ChinaProbably more this. I got the impression Mr. Chen designs, assembles, and distributes his swords from Guangzhou and has the parts made in Longquan like everybody else. Since he knows the Longquan scene he probably knows who makes the PLA swords, or at least knows who would know.
I use belt kit to carry my shit and don't put much on a plate carrier, but this way I can't use a hip belt when using a bigass ruck, will i just sit it on top if my belt kit?Opinions on the sarma tst lvl5 anorakJust got it in the mail, when I'm wearing it without anything so its a bit bigger and goes to about 3/4 of my tigh but with a pc it fits higherThe outside material feels "lower quality" or plasticky compared to other Gucci stuff I got like arcteryx and stone glacier jackets.But maybe it's just that the material is thicker to protect from wind idk.Haven't tried it inna field yet.My only gripe is that the elastics inside are a mess all tangled up with each other and when you tighten them they start hanging out of the jacket
>>64289332>the elasticsShitty chinko materials. Go it REI and buy some decent chinko elastic.
>>64289349Wdym
>>64289332>the elastics inside are a mess all tangled up with each other and when you tighten them they start hanging out of the jacketBy replacing the elastic cords with superior materials that have a better stretch ratio you can improve the performance of your draw cord.
>>64289372You mean buying shorter ones so they don't dangle?I can just cut them and redo the knot
Getting my first plate carrier. Really, how much do the color choices matter? In a realistic sense, though blah blah chances I have to use it are 0. I like ranger green. Thinking about a JPC with these choices
>>64289381If you honestly think that me telling you to buy better elastic cord and replacing shitty cord twice means cutting your shitty elastic cord shorter, then yes. I agree with you, that's what me telling you to buy better material and upgrading means, yes cut your shitty cord shorter.
>>64289444Why do you say the elastics on the lvl5 anorak are shitty?
>>64289430>I like ranger greenGet what you like. Tan or green fit in most environs. Putting on different color pouches will break up your outline anyway.
>>64289451>the elastics inside are a mess all tangled up with each other and when you tighten them they start hanging out of the jacketYou are the one complainin.
Im a minimi gunnerGot a crye blast belt with jayjays under armor suspenders, that's my set up:6 o'clock: bfg trauma kit now5/4 and 7/8 templars gear 200rd saw pouchesAnd that's it basically, was thinking of putting tactical tailor canteen utility pouches at 3 and 9 for 1L canteens and leave the front slick.Can't use privately bought pcs bc of retardation so I keep my shit issued pc just for carrying armor + a gp pouch on the right cummerbund and tqs on the front of the 2 cummerbunds Gimme ur opinion
>>64289461If I could use a personal pc I'd use a crye avs with the same stuff I currently have on the issued one, just noticed I forgot an nag pouch, that would go on the right back of my cummerbund, as for frags I'm not sure, I don't like frag pouches as you can't carry that many, so a gp pouch with frags inside seems better but idk about the rattling they'd make
>>64289470Nag being nvg but autocorrect changed it
Rate my belt kit Purpose is for policing streets, even tho I'm inna infantry I'll be doing the polices job for some months so I got a 2 piece belt, that you'd otherwise not use as infantry imo as lbe is more suited.Ferro bison9/8 or 9/10 2x double mag taco pouches (4+1 mags should be enough if ever need to shoot any joggers or terrorist shooting up a train station)7 savotta dump pouch6 direct action horizontal ifak2:30 or 5 idk yet: savotta 2x2 gp pouchThat's it, I might add a knoife tho
>>64289486Forgot2x bfg hammock tq pouches, one under the mags and one under the ifak pouch
>>642894867 dump pouches seems excessive, no? What are you doing for hydration? Bladder? 2:3 could be knife. Are you morally opposed to a waistpack or gp pouch?
>>64289582I got a gp pouch already listedI'd keep idration in my pack as I don't wanna weight down my belt too much and I don't need super quick access to water as I'll be walking round the road or just standing guard, can just pull out a canteen out of my pack, or yes use a bladder
>>64289642Single canteen. Ideally should have a bladder but at minimum quick access to some sort of hydration. Never skimp on the water bro. They send you someplace humid and your ass is going to be taking off your pack and digging through shit for water 24/7
>>64289662Right imma bring a bladder but a belt canteen wouldn't be a bad ideaI much prefer canteens but bladders are practical, just don't like the pain in the ass of filling them back up
>>64289430lame but honest answer is multicam works pretty good nearly everywhere but im autistic about it and as a civilian i think you should wear camo to not be misidentified in a case of armed conflict,id probably take simple green as well
>>64289743I triple up hydration-wise. Two 1L canteens, a 3L bladder, two water bottles (1.5L each) on the sides of my ruck. If you're heavily loaded with gear and mobile you will drink a shitload of water.Also this helps if you need potable water or need to go extra distances and the water supply is FUBAR'd until you get there, whether by negligence or direct action.>>64289582I think he's referring to mounting position, so 7 o'clock.>>64289486I don't see any armor listed. If you're running train station defense against armed OPFOR actively shooting up the place then you'd want at minimum a pair of lightweight 10x12's. Hesco T212s? Good for most urban threats but not .308 (5.56 up to A1, 7.62x39 ball but not BZ API). Also $395 a pair.
>>64289834>think you should wear camo to not be misidentified in a case of armed conflict,Like both sides wearing MC? Auto disqual there for me. I'd prefer Realtree.
>>64289921I think he has 7 dump pouches.
>>64289944He's expecting to loot gear like Joel in the last of us. I hope they're not the tiny ass dump pouches from aliexpress that fit one PMAG a piece. I got one of those like an idiot but eventually retrofitted it into a binocular pouch. Forgot to post these this thread, actually:>/gq/ infographics: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6>Older / other infographics: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWFFor this episode we got Leading Technology Composites on deck, because a good III+ rated to M855A1 is sometimes more applicable to CONUS than a cheap Level IV with poor multi-hit or shot spacing!>dallas still sucks!>so does RMA!>and Highcom!
>>64289973Bless anon. I got them flc’s just in time for the game today. I’ll try to get a pic of them . 150 miles out. GO BIRDS
>>64290011If the Eagles were an armor company, it'd be Hesco.
Trying to plan out things I need before buying a carrier and pouches and stuff>mag pouch that can hold 6>IFAK>Maybe a flashlight pouch and batteries>pouch for cameraAny bare essentials I overlooked?
>>64289921Yeah dude I'll have a plate carrier, idk if just soft armor or plates too cause we never get told shit but it would change anything as I'd still keep all on the belt anyway
>>64290107That's the idea. Run the carrier slick since you already have everything on the belt, or maybe just stick a bladder on the back. >>64290105Hydration bladder and radio pouch?
Hole at the bottom of like every pouch is for...?This is an E-tool cover, what does it need a hole for along with like everything else?
>>64290208Water drainage.
>>64290216Reasonable.
Breaking news. Signal jammers are now mainstream and bad actors got them in multiple states. Prepare accordingly.>The Department of Homeland Security issued a warning on the rise in Chinese-manufactured signal jammers to the United States, which pose a threat to public safety and civilian aviation. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has seen a roughly 830% increase in seizures since 2021, despite Chinese companies’ attempts to subvert inspection.>South American illegal aliens jam calls to local police during home invasions or bank robberies in Florida, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Vermont, and Virginia.>Signal jammers have been used by illegal aliens across the country to jam communications during police operations, bank robberies, burglaries, and other dangerous crimes. Under the vigilance of CBP, national security begins at America’s ports. As Chinese manufacturers attempt to smuggle signal jammers, we will continue to seize these tools of terrorism.https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/06/18/homeland-security-warns-about-spike-china-based-technology-firms-smuggling-signal
>>64288889>SwordI hate normies. Honestly even normies should know what a polearm is now thanks to vidya gams, so let me rephraseI hate journalists.
>>64290244embrace the naginata instead
>>64290247The TSA will never allow this as carry-on.
>>64289430multicam is the safest pick but you should pick whatever works best in your environment/application
>>64290259Give them the wobble
>>64290247Naginata cool polearm, was my favorite weeb weapon as an edgy teen. Specifically the cross naginata/cross yari.
>>64290297it's a woman's weapon son
>>64289131The brass elements are almost exactly like those used in really cheap decorative sword mass produced in China.I really like swords and some ancient Chinese sword are gorgeous. They should get a better manufacturer as the brass quality looks a lot like a novelty sword. The blade seems acceptable.
>fantasy swords>/gq/
Call me a wumao chinkoid but modern soldiers with maces are actually kino
Is this worth it? Are there any cheaper alternatives? Crye has another belt which is nearly $400 which is insane. I guess its an investment to save your back...
>>64290591damn that's badass. Gonna zonk somebody straight through their IIIA soft armor with that spike. Do I smell a mall ninja / melee weapons infographic in the works?Buckle up samurai.
>>64290635I forgot the pic. Fuck my chud life
>>64290591hmmm
>>64290679Can't you just buy surplus? Literally what is the difference
>>64290635Busting out the belt infographic for ya.
>>64290679does anybody even use these? the principle is really interesting but attaching the vest to the belt seems impractical
>>64290726I think the idea is better weight distribution and to avoid the belt riding down, if it's heavily loaded, without using suspenders either under the vest or on top.
>>64290697Thanks. I assume pretty any of these with molle will be good enough for shifting the weight into my hips? I dont plan to stick anything else on the belt
>>64290781As long as the belt supports how the STKSS attaches.
Also seems the Chinese have their own version, very interesting.
What’s your go to gear cleaning routine? I got the flc’s and they’re fairly rank. Plan is to submerge in water with small Amt dish soap. If there’s anything better lmk
>>64291016Embrace the vest cheese. Can even make flc kombucha after a while.
>>64291327Eye watering, Going to make flc soup in bathtub. I think they might have taken it off a fungus heap or dead body.
>>64291401That's the idea. Shit's so strong the smell stops bullets dead. Enemy has to close their eyes in CQB cuz it's like getting the execution squad from thirty skunks at point blank.Gas mask it up and embrace the killer aroma, trash sniper.
Hypothetically, how would we incorporate a wolf teeth mace into modern CQC? >>64290591
>>64291415>getting the execution squad from thirty skunks at point blankImagine.
>>64291766>least furry gear queer
>>64291868owo what's this?
>>64291939BFD. My jeans look like that 100%.
>>64291986uwu are you adept with your colossus?
>>64292011In all seriousness, somebody should tell the Chinks that troops armed with ballistic bucklers and jians can serve as screens and flankers in support of their heavy mace-polearm formations.
>>64291503Depends what for. Riot? Easy. Strike with the haft and use the spikes to catch and bind clothing. I mean, you don't want to kill protesters do you?For serious infantry, spread-out formations with short strikes is good enough. There are poll-axe manuals that troops can train on.
>>64290726In a sense, it's a failure. Been tried MANY times, but never sticks. >>64290756The idea is to redistribute the weight of the carrier off the shoulders and down to the hips. Doesn't usually work very well, though.
>>64292205And if the main spike in the center is sharp enough, it can be driven through IIIA soft armor.
>>64292198The cyberpunk return to tradition has come. Make steel armor great again.
>>64292232I'm thinking based.
>>64292226Easily. It'll also go through all types of improvised and riot armor, sports padding, and all sorts of shit like that.
>>64290637Besides expandable batons (which are absolute shit), tonfas, and mall weapons like nunchucks, what even is there? America doesn't really use melee weapons.
>>64292241Damn I think we might be onto something here.>>64292236Do I smell /gq/ rehabilitating steel armor? This could be interesting. Here's the copypasta I did two threads ago on the arguments in favor of steel. Some of these are better than others and can apply to both body armor and helmets.>1. Durability. Highcom, with their fragile 4SAS4, ironically created a need for their AR1000 and AR500 steel plates, which are now conveniently on sale after the 4SAS4s mostly dried up. You can compromise the 4SAS4 by dropping it on concrete a few times. See Buffman test 2. Most ceramics aren't like that and have drop padding / sufficient headroom to work even when somewhat compromised. All .06-cert plates pass drop tests. You can run a steel plate over with a dump truck and it'll still work. Old PE plates in the past have been compromised by hot storage conditions. Car trunks in Texas sorta deal.>2. Lifespan. Some ceramics like the TAP Gammas, Ceradyne 92547, some Chinese plates, etc delaminated over years due to cheap adhesive between strike face and backer failing. Steel plates don't care.>3. Multi-hit. 8.3lb RMA 1155 sometimes loses to two hits of .308. It's done that twice. Steel plates provided they don't break (overhard / brittle steel) withstand M80 indefinitely not accounting for spall.>4. Shot spacing. Ceramics are not required to stop shots closer than 2" together. All NIJ plates are like that. Steel and steel-PE hybrid plates do not give a fuck about shot spacing. See AMI TAC3S.>5. Reduced BFD. Steel plates, unless actual "back-spalling" occurs, usually post BFD well under 20mm. Ceramics like the RMA XRT post 42mm (nearly failure) against M80. Less BFD generally means less behind armor blunt trauma. See Second Chance 1980s video test. Guy basically ignores a .308 at point blank. Steel.>6. Cost. You can buy ten of these Highcom AR500s for less than a pair of Hesco 4403s. Outfit a whole crew with NIJ certified armor for less than $400? See the appeal?
>>64292249Steel rifle plates are complete shit. That breastplate is more like a steel plate carrier, and kind of like WWII sapper armor, so it's different.
>>64292249What the fuck is that cloak? lol, does it come from Jinwudun or another of those larp companies?
>>64292248I could see separating it into several categories:1. Concealable weapons.2. Utility weapons. Machetes for example.3. One-handed blade or spike weapons.4. Polearms / two handed.We already have a breaching tool infographic (pic rel) so sledgehammers and such don't need to show up twice. I can't figure the appeal outside of looking badass (which is enough by itself for many) unless we're expecting some kind of long-term disaster where ammunition needs to be conserved so we're duking it out medieval style. Maybe someone has better ideas.
>>64292269A sledgehammer is NOT a weapon.The way I see it, you have knives, machetes, meme blunt weapons, and various riot/police/crowd-control polearms. If you want to get creative, there are also tomahawks and trench mace replicas, but those are more larp than reality.
>>64292258Yes, the majority of them are shit and spall all over the place. However, the PE-backed hybrid plates like the AMI TAC3S, lighter TAC3SM, Adept Mantis (titanium), and discontinued AR500 A3 are less susceptible. Additionally, there are "spall bags" and other items that claim to control the spalling - but like trauma pads the jury is out on how much they help.The AMI TAC3S enjoys a standing endorsement from Dr. Gary K. Roberts:"The AMI Tac3S and Tac3S light plates use a steel facing, which is much more durable and tolerant of abuse; this also allows much closer shot spacing--these have demonstrated the ability to stop hits as close as 1 mm apart."Now as for the downsides, all three of the ones I mentioned above are/were around the same price as the LTC 19513 / Hesco 3411. Not one of them is rated for M855A1. The only standing advantages of these high-end metallic plates are reduced shot spacing and BFD.
>>64292248>expandable batons (which are absolute shit), tonfas, and mall weapons like nunchucks,You see? Now just to be defiant and nonconformist I want EXPANDABLE NUNCHUCKS! (patent pending...)
>>64292278>A sledgehammer is NOT a weapon.Anything is a weapon if you're desperate enough. >>64292264Tactical Shop Store tactical cloak. You want it? $70 and change with import charges / shipping included. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809701716351.html?
>>64292297> Anything is a weapon if you're desperate enough.I mean you're probably better off with your fists. A normal guy who tries to fight with a sledgehammer will be slow, telegraph his moves, and he won't connect with anything.
>>64292308>he hasn't studied the forbidden shaolin art of sixteen pound sledgehammerjutsu
Is the First Spear windcheater actually grey? It looks green
>>64292533green is a synonym of grey.
>>64292565They're completely different colors.
>Spiritus not launching LV120 in multicam tropicIt's over
>>64292579Not in the dark.
>>64292591>meme company not releasing meme plate carrier in meme camooh no I bet they're not releasing a limited edition baby yoda funko pop in multicam tropic either
>>64289332>can't use a hip belt when using a bigass ruck, will i just sit it on top if my belt kitThe answer is of course "depends". If you want it to work like that you either do your own testing or you get PLCE webbing and a (short back unless you're 6'4") surplus bergen pack which is intended to sit on top of your webbing.While you're at it stop buying the gucci crap and just get a bongsurp windproof smock in your favorite flavor of DPM.
Should I use saw pouches to store mags? Pros and cons>>64289430I bought all my gear in black and am starting to regret it. Is it worth replacing it all for multicam just for the functionality?
>>64293094The issue with using saw pouches, is that once you remove one, they all just start bouncing around.
>>64293094Depends what you mean by "store". If you mean on your webbing, not a great idea because >>64293101If you mean for replenishment, hell yeah they're great for that. Mags in your ruck or put them on a strap for a "chuck on the ground BREN bag" kind of deal, or what I do is I've got 2 on my webbing with 210rds on clips in the bottom between them with light odds and ends on top, makes balancing out the load really easy.As for your black kit just fucking paint it then roll it in some dirt.
>>64293094>I bought all my gear in black and am starting to regret it. Is it worth replacing it all for multicam just for the functionality?No, you're fine.What you need is a camouflage cloak that works in NIR. Wear that over black gear and you'll be fine. You'll ackshuallly be better off than somebody with multicam gear and no cloak.
>>64289430MC RG or TanMC desert/jungle only if you are in that biomeDon't do black or MC black ever
>>64289486Are you going to have a vehicle?The ifak is going to get annoying quick if you are driving around
>>64290635>>64290679No, not worth it
I still do not understand where these ecelebs were getting M81 G3s recently. I have not seen them up for sale anywhere and the listing on OP tactical has not been restocked in 5 years +.
>>64294897emerson or some other airsoft brandotherwise they're getting them custom made in ukraine or something
>>64294897Leviathan group uniform
Update on the polyethylene composite VS-PULV, it's called the VS-PXULV. 7.62x39 mild steel core only. NSN 8470-01-678-8934 for the front. Assigned 2019. Weight is 1.5lb a plate, a set sold on Tacswap for $2k. I don't have a thickness yet but going off this guy's pictures these things are super thin.https://www.tacswap.com/post/67a7f210ce897f7e997e1a0eVelocity Systems sold their ULV carrier in three gens. ULV1 is steel VS-PSTES, ULV2 titanium PULV, ULV3 this PXULV.OEM is Tencate for all of them.
>>64292914>meme camoTropic is actually good though? I'm not the US military I have a single AO I don't need a camo that's OK in most environment I want one specified for my region.What's your problem?>meme companyEh I see your point there, I do like their stuff though albeit it is overpriced.
>>64295125That seems like it's legit garbage. > Marginally lighter than other all-PE plates.> Won't stop jack shit, "IIIA+" rated.> Much more expensive.It would be okay if it weighed 0.8 pounds or cost $300.
What's the recommended level 4 plate that won't break the bank?Weight isn't as big of a concern for me but I don't mind spending a few extra bucks to shave off a pound
The FLC very well may just be my favorite piece of gear yet. Anyone know why they went to the zipper on gen3? .
>>64295672Even if it's as thin as the VS-PULV, It's less than half as thick as a Hesco 3801, which is the lightest known standalone Level III PE plate, and weighs 0.4lb less despite the funky PULV cut. It's a quarter the weight of the old titanium PULV and doesn't spall. I'd say it has a niche for covert applications, but that's it.>>64295685Hesco 4403 is the budget go-to. Milsurp ESAPI with soft armor (this is required for most ESAPIs and other SAPI family plates) is lighter and if REV. G or later gets you a much stronger plate.Hesco 4601 is lighter and stronger than the 4403 but costs a lot more. Good condition ESAPIs if you get a good deal will be less than 4601s.
>>64296140Cuz zippers are cool.
>>64296231Seems more expensive and more prone to issues . Only way to find out is to buy 10 acu flc's I guess
>>64296280And make 100 billion tons of flc kombucha. The philosopher's stanky legacy! Enough stank to fight world war 2 five times over...
>>64296280>>64296336One in every color!
>>64296371multicam black for the spicy kombuchamulticam tropical for the fruity kombuchatiger stripe for the licoricemulticam for the flavorless sour kind that gives you refluxacu for the surgery kind that gives you a stroke but is HEALTHIER than monster.condor utility camo for the kind that gets you on the toilet shitting for five hours.m81 for the kind that's juuuust right.
>>64296371and one of every gen. I've only got gen 2's to compare so far. >>64296336When I got the first batch, I could smell the package before I even got to my mailbox. Thankfully they washed up nicely.
>>64289133>1996 agreement that prohibits firearm usageNeed more of this, honestly
>>64296449>bio weapons>above ground nuke tests>landmines>now gunsWtf?
>>64296484Fine, guns allowed, but single shot muskets only. Bring either honorable or gentleman warfare back
>>64296449It makes sense, in country that hilly you'd just end up with guys holed up taking pot shots at extreme range and have relatively high casualties with very little ground taken. Sort of an American Civil War type situation.
>>64296651Kind of like the ultra-long-range calibers showing up in ukraine. 12.7x114 Horizon Lord, 12.7x114 Russian, 14.5x132mm Russian, the Ukrainians had a 10.62x106mm (?) extreme long range AP cartridge that was meant to bust GOST-BR5 at over a mile. Russians also have analogues to the Cheytacs, .338 Lapua, and .416 Barrett / .460 Steyr.None of this is deployed in significant quantities, it's just a neat footnote. I much prefer the more close quarters kino of naginata / wolf fang mace dukeouts.
>>64296777You're not lugging any of that shit up the Himalayas. I mean extreme range for whatever they've got.
Is the JPC 2.0 worth getting in current year? It's like a decade old.
>>64296141>hesco 4601 like a pound less than a 44034403 doesn't need a trauma plate either, right?
The MRE thread died so I figured I'd post this here.I split open menu 18 just now at work and was shocked to find a mini tobasco!I had been told these were gone now, what gives?! I'm thrilled!
>>64296904Both the 4403 and 4601 are fully standalone and do not require soft armor, a trauma pad, or trauma plate to stop their listed threats with less than 44mm BFD the prescribed number of times.zjust for housekeeping:1. A trauma plate is a steel 5x7 or similar size plate you put in front of soft armor to reduce behind armor blunt trauma. These are relics from the 80s and 90s mostly but are still sold today. Sometimes they add stab protection too, which is critical in certain applications.2. A trauma pad is a foam or other material backer worn behind the ballistic plate to reduce backface deformation and/or behind armor blunt trauma. It is NOT ballistic. These are mixed.3. Soft armor (usually IIIA but sometimes Level II) is worn behind non-standalone (ICW) plates. The round is allowed to defeat the plate but what's left gets caught by the soft armor backer. Whether that be excessive backface deformation or the round actually penetrating the plate.It is imperative ICW plates be worn with their required soft armor. Rule of thumb is that you can sub soft armor in for a trauma pad, but you cannot sub a trauma pad to replace soft armor.Trauma plates do generally work, since soft armor BABT is worse than plates usually. Trauma pads are more a gray area. The only ones with proof to back them up are the Russian climatic amortization panels, or KAPs which are about an inch thick and are worn on the wear side of your platebags instead of inside the platebag behind the plate. They allow very meh Granit plates to meet the extremely tight GOST backface deformation requirement, which is less than half the NIJ 44mm failure point.Less BFD means less opportunity for BABT, generally.
>>64296990So why go for the 4601 if it's rated the same as the 4403 and is only a pound lighter?
>>64297078So there's a handful of points here.1. A SAPI medium 4601 is 6.6lb, SAPI M 4403 is 7.9lb so it's really around 1.3lb.2. The 4403 is actually much thinner at 0.83" versus the 4601 1.18". 4403 is fiberglass (heavier) backed, 4601 is Spectra UHMWPE.3. Because the 4601 has a stronger polyethylene backer and a Silicon Carbide strike face versus the Aluminum Oxide / Fiberglass 4403, it is both lighter and has literally double the multi-hit. Six 7.62x51mm M80, equal to NIJ Level III, versus the 4403's mere three.4. This means the 4601 also has tighter shot spacing capability against 7.62x51mm M80 and basic non-steel street threats like M193, 7.62x39 MSC, and hunting calibers. The PE backer can do more "work" than fiberglass and doesn't crack like ceramic. They make ultralight plates out of the same PE with no ceramic, but those get infamously fucked up by 5.56 M855 and its steel core.
>>64297100Gotcha thanks
>>64295643>I have a single AOyou don't have any AO you're a fat larper
>>64291016I'm pretty sure dish detergent glows hard under night vision, if you're worried about that. It also doesn't kill fungi. Get some cleaning vinegar, at least 20%. Let it soak for a few hours.
>>64290635>>64290679>>64290824While these work on paper, the main issue is that if you have to doff your PC, all your gear is now gone. If you manage to retrieve your belt, the gear on it will make it sag. If there's not enough gear on your belt that causes it to sag, then you probably don't need such a large belt, and a two-piece belt may be a better option. I carry a mags, ammo, a pistol, and trauma kit, and a small hydro bladder on a HSGI slim grip padded belt, so it's quite weighty. All gear is on belt minus the plackard on PC. I run a Velsys H-harness under PC and use molle side release adapters to attach it to the harness. That way, if my PC catches on fire, and I have to tear it off, 90% of my kit will still be with me and will be suspended.>>64290726See above
>>64296977>I'm thrilled!Rule #32:"Enjoy the little things"
>>64297108No problem. Do note that armor plates tend to peak in strength with the mid-range Silicon Carbide models. Boron Carbide $$$ models are lighter, but often thinned out in terms of backer / drop foam to meet weight targets, and boron carbide is more brittle, and is subject to rapid "amorphization" failure against tungsten carbide threats.The Hesco 4800 is sketchy after a drop test - most ultralight IVs have drawbacks, while the heavier 5.6lb 4801 only has advertised multi hit comparable to the 4403. If you don't care about drop foam or tungsten threats, the very best Level IV on the market is the same as it has been for nearly twenty years, the Protech 9812-R1.
>>642968882 nylon sacks attached with shoulder straps, carriers are not that complicated JPC 2 is good because it has proven, time tested, quality
>>64299068For this we raised JOBBLOC, successor to CHADBLOC. The JPC 2.0 is basically the go-to if you just need a carrier. People tend to overthink carriers for hours, put top dollar into whatever the meta one is this week, but then run really shit plates inside them (Highcom 4SAS4, 4S17M, RMA 1155). It's comical.
>>64297888Good info, thanks. Though im mainly concerned about how to reduce the weight on my back. Im a pretty small guy at 155cm and plates alone will be like, 14lb which is about 10% of my body weight lol.
>>64299360Pair of Hesco 4403s is 15.4lb assuming you wear a 10x12. Pair of ESAPIs plus soft armor ~12.4lb, 4601s 13.2lb. Level IV and equivalent is heavy, easiest way to save weight is to reduce threat level.A pair of LTC 19513s gets you just over 10lb and gets you M855A1 / M80. If you can throw the scratch ($3k) a pair of LTC 28570s gets you M855A1 + M80A1 for 8.76lb, but that's very costly and you have to play the second-hand plate condition game plus the "CID game" if you know what I mean.
